Talkback: Dragonball Z Uncut [9/5 - 9/8]

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Welcome to the fourth week of the Namek Saga on Dragonball Z Uncut! These unedited versions of the series are now being shown weekdays. This show is TV-PG unlike the cut version which was TV-Y7. Even though many of you have seen DBZ many times, this threads is meant to give everyone a fresh look at the series as it was intended to be shown. Tuesday through Thursday have been put under spoiler tags due to them spoiling the outcome of the previous episode.

Monday: Gohan and Krillin...The Hunted
Dodoria finishes off the last Namekian fighter and retrieves the fifth Dragon Ball. Meanwhile, Frieza's goons threaten a helpless Namekian child named Dende. Krillin and Gohan rescue him, with Dodoria in pursuit. On his space pod, Goku trains at an increased gravity level.

Tuesday: The Prince Fights Back
Vegeta catches Dodoria in his search for Gohan and Krillin, and attacks. In an attempt to save his life, Dodoria reveals that Frieza was responsible for the destructino of the Saiyan home planet (also called Vegeta). Vegeta destroys Dodoria in return, and begins his own quest for the Dragon Balls. Meanwhile, Gohan and Krillin reunite with Bulma and learn that Goku will soon arrive on Namek.

Wednesday: Unexpected Problem
Goku runs into trouble when his space pod begins to drift towards a star. Goku has to think fast in order to avoid getting bumped up. Back on Namek, Vegeta beats Frieza to the sixth Dragon Ball and hides it in a lake.

Thursday: Not airing.


Lets kick it up a notch with excitement for Dragonball Z!

[Fresh V]

Thursday: Vegeta Has A Ball .....Thanks for letting us know, FUNi.

[livingfruitvirus]

According to the schedule, DBZ will be pre-empted by the hour long Zatch Bell recap on Thursday.

[ChibiGoku]

.....Thanks for letting us know, FUNi.:sweat:

[G1Ravage]

Yeah, no DBZ on Thursday.

Vegeta Has a Ball......wtf...

[Chrono1995]

One word to describe today's episode: ouch.

[G1Ravage]

Tonight's graphically violent episode:

English - "The Hunted"

Japanese - "Gohan in Peril! A Pursuing Dodoria Summons Death"

[G1Ravage]

Poor Dende. This is not going to be a good day for him. :(

[CyberCubed]

Poor Cargo.

Glad to finally see how he got killed, rather than Dodoria saying, "Your brother might have gotten away but you won't!"

How did the old dub show the Elder die? I know they didn't show Dodoria snap his neck, but I forgot how they edited it.

Pretty good music in this episode, especially during the chase scene in the sky, It filled the intense moments of the ep with a feeling of dread.

Funny thing, Goku has been in EVERY episode of DBZ so far since the beginning. Even if he only gets 30 seconds of screentime, TOEI made sure that Goku is in every single episode, up to this point anyway. Obviously later on in the series Goku isn't in every ep, but right now he was.

[G1Ravage]

How did the old dub show the Elder die? I know they didn't show Dodoria snap his neck, but I forgot how they edited it.
They pretty much didn't show anything. You hear generic fighting sounds, and then the elder falls to the ground, "breathing heavily". :p

[Ishtar]

They pretty much didn't show anything. You hear generic fighting sounds, and then the elder falls to the ground, "breathing heavily". :pYeah. I remember. They show up to the scene where Dodoria is surrounding the Elder and has his arms up above him ready to strike and then it cuts and goes offscreen.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

that was a way sad episode :( those poor nameks were brave and still didn't stand a chance and killing Dende's brother was just cruel :( it stinks they all had to die to a lame villian like Dodoria to :mad: the only really good part was Freeza calling Gohan and Krillin insignificant boy he'll learn just how much of a pain they can be

[G1Ravage]

Did anyone else laugh when Freeza yelled, "DODORIA WHAT ARE YOU DOING?? GET OFF YOUR FAT BUTT AND FOLLOW THEM!!!"

[CyberCubed]

Yes, it's one of those lines you love to hate.

[Daikun]

Vegeta Has a Ball......wtf...
Best episode title ever. :p

[Tash]

At least in the Saban version Cargo had enough sence to run away while everyone was fighting. :shrug:

[G1Ravage]

At least in the Saban version Cargo had enough sence to run away while everyone was fighting. :shrug:
Why would he run away without Dende?

[Master Moron]

They pretty much didn't show anything. You hear generic fighting sounds, and then the elder falls to the ground, "breathing heavily". :p

Yeah, then later Krillen and Gohan say "We'll take you back to your family." or some crap like that to Dende, implying that he's still alive. The Saban version didn't even send the elder to the next dimension, and instead edited it to make it seem like he survived the attack.

By the way, was I the only one confused by the fight with Dodoria? Weren't there only three fighter Nameks? Yet it seemed like Dodoria killed four. One he shoved his hand through, one he elbowed, one he shot with his mouth beam, and one he clobbered into a mountain.

[Arxane]

By the way, was I the only one confused by the fight with Dodoria? Weren't there only three fighter Nameks? Yet it seemed like Dodoria killed four. One he shoved his hand through, one he elbowed, one he shot with his mouth beam, and one he clobbered into a mountain.
I'm guessing the one he elbowed survived, only to be pounded into the mountain later on? :confused:

[G1Ravage]

Is anyone else confused by that scene where Freeza blinks and destroys the mountain? In the dub, they make it seem as if Freeza is showing Zarbon how powerful he is, which is rediculous. Freeza doesn't need to remind Zarbon of that.

In the Japanese version, in what is perhaps a "personal" moment with Freeza most people don't see, he says the mountain is blocking his view, and destroys it simply so he can see the scenery behind it. :confused:

[HumanoidTyphoon]

I'm guessing the one he elbowed survived, only to be pounded into the mountain later on? :confused:The one he elbowed wasn't one of the three fighters and looked like an older namek. I think.


I also thought that mountain scene was weird.

[Kamaria]

Is anyone else confused by that scene where Freeza blinks and destroys the mountain? In the dub, they make it seem as if Freeza is showing Zarbon how powerful he is, which is rediculous. Freeza doesn't need to remind Zarbon of that.

In the Japanese version, in what is perhaps a "personal" moment with Freeza most people don't see, he says the mountain is blocking his view, and destroys it simply so he can see the scenery behind it. :confused:

In my opinion, it is a subtle way of Freeza showing off his power to Zarbon, without actually saying anything. Of course, the Saban dub dumbed it down. But that's my opinion, you can interpret this how you want.

[rabidrednek]

The guy he elbowed was then set on fire.

[Dark Fact]

Did anyone else laugh when Freeza yelled, "DODORIA WHAT ARE YOU DOING?? GET OFF YOUR FAT BUTT AND FOLLOW THEM!!!"
At least someone finally acknowledges that Dodoria is fat!

Best episode title ever. :p
Nuh uh. Home For Infinite Losers has that title.

Cargo's death being shown finally gives us the understanding how evil and ruthless Freeza and his minions really are! Unlike in the old Saban version where Freeza fired a "warning shot". :shrug:

I also thought that mountain scene was weird.
Which leaves us with this question: if Freeza had enough power to destroy an entire mountain in the blink of an eye, how come he didn't use that power during his fight with Goku or Vegeta?

[Poodcanine]

Did anyone else laugh when Freeza yelled, "DODORIA WHAT ARE YOU DOING?? GET OFF YOUR FAT BUTT AND FOLLOW THEM!!!"
I laughed inside. I actually thought the orginal dub was funnier because Frieza refers to Dodoria as "Mr. Dodoria." Also, in the original dub (the Canadian one), Gohan refers to Dodoria as a "Big, pink piece of putty," or something like this.

[Ishtar]

Alos, Dodoria's line about Dende's brother Cargo escaping was changed to "So you want to play a game? Welll, play dead!"

[A.Magik]

Ahh, Gohan rescues Dende.

I would like to think that the two became close friends (perhaps Gohan's best, save for Kuririn; Piccolo is more of a father-figure). Gohan saved Dende's life, and in return, he becomes the demi-Saiya-jin's personal healer. Not an exclusive one, but...

Dende has healed Gohan in every canonical Saga since his 1st appearance, more times than the other characters

A.Magik

[mammy2shoesfan]

Even at that point in the story wasn't Goku, Vegeta and even Gohan able to destroy mountains anyway so that Freeza moment didn't really impress me.

[Arxane]

Even at that point in the story wasn't Goku, Vegeta and even Gohan able to destroy mountains anyway so that Freeza moment didn't really impress me. But Goku, Vegeta and Gohan had to actually fire energy in order to destroy mountains. Freiza could just look at a mountain and smite it with the Glare of Badassness.

[Umino]

Why would he run away without Dende?
Every namek for himself?

[Warrior Kitana]

I wasn't able to watch DBZ last week, but I see Frieza has his same granny voice, only it sounds slightly different.

Dodoria was pretty cruel to the nameks in this eps with how he brutally killed them (especially with how he killed Cargo). I don't recall Toei showing how they killed Dende's brother back when it was airing on Toonami. Glad that Gohan saved Dende in the nick of time.

[Master Moron]

But Goku, Vegeta and Gohan had to actually fire energy in order to destroy mountains. Freiza could just look at a mountain and smite it with the Glare of Badassness.

Nappa could destroy mountains without firing energy. Though, he had to move his fingers.

[jv2k]

Thats the thing, he had to work harder and it was a powerful attack, frieza just did it by looking at it and blinking his eyes.

[Chuquita]

Why isn't dbz on this Thursday? (I don't think its a holiday or anything...) :confused:

[Ishtar]

Why isn't dbz on this Thursday? (I don't think its a holiday or anything...) :confused:It's because CN just has to show that Zatch Bell recap special for a third time!

[G1Ravage]

Tonight's Bulmalicious episode:

English - "The Prince Fights Back"

Japanese - "Dodoria Dies by Explosion! Vegeta's Fearsome Shockwave"

[G1Ravage]

Ah. :anime:

[Beat]

I suppose this is the female version of Goku's tub scene...

[Tash]

Tonight's Bulmalicious episode:

English - "The Prince Fights Back"

Japanese - "Dodoria Dies by Explosion! Vegeta's Fearsome Shockwave"...
...
Stupid Japanese spoiler titles, I didn't know he died. *kicks Japanese writers*

[CyberCubed]

Ever notice how many villains in DBZ are short lived from their first appearance?

Kui is in 2 episodes and he dies, Dodoria was in like 3 or 4 episodes before he dies. Besides the "main" villains of each saga, the henchmen tend to not last very long.

Lots of good stuff in this episode, Krillin/Gohan/Dende fly toward the cave, we get a Bulma bathtub scene, a humourous Goku eating scene, Vegeta destroys the last scouter and explains how much stronger he has gotten after his defeat on Earth, and of course Dodoria explains how Planet Vegeta was destroyed before Vegeta kills him.

This episode makes me want to watch the Bardock special again. Good thing I have that special on DVD! Wheeee.

[G1Ravage]

...
...
Stupid Japanese spoiler titles, I didn't know he died. *kicks Japanese writers*
Well they *want* you to know he's going to die in the next episode.

[FireStarterLE]

and Vegeta gets revenge for Bardock's group!!

.... i was kinda hoping to hear vegeta say something like "dodo brain" or "big pink gumball" but it never happened ..... or at least the part where Vegeta let him go and Dodoria said something along the lines of: *gasping for air* "i thought my arms were going to come off"

moving right along, that we are

[G1Ravage]

Man, these Talkback threads are really starting to slow down. Is anyone watching anymore?

Bulma wrote a nasty looking note and stuck it on the bathroom door while she was bathing, but it was in Japanese.

Also, I really liked this line in the redub:

Vegeta: "I see... So you have lost your Scouters. That's terrible. How will you and Zarbon ever find Frieza's backside to stick your noses in it?"

[Mike JD Silva]

Man, these Talkback threads are really starting to slow down. Is anyone watching anymore?
Oh, don't worry, we're watching.;)

Bulma wrote a nasty looking note and stuck it on the bathroom door while she was bathing, but it was in Japanese.
Along the lines it's:

Bulma-chan shiyouchuu!
akeruna!
sawaruna!
[can only read the 'na!' at the end]

Bulma-chan's busy![using the room,etc.]
Don't open!
Don't touch!
[Don't something!]

Also, I really liked this line in the redub:

Vegeta: "I see... So you have lost your Scouters. That's terrible. How will you and Zarbon ever find Frieza's backside to stick your noses in it?"
Yeah, delivery was great too!

[mammy2shoesfan]

Vegeta: "I see... So you have lost your Scouters. That's terrible. How will you and Zarbon ever find Frieza's backside to stick your noses in it?"
That was the best line of the night and I was going to post it and you beat me to it :D .

[rabidrednek]

I demand screenshots of Bulma standing in the bubble bath! :D

[Hyper Shadow X]

I wonder how much of a change will be in tonight's eppy.

[mammy2shoesfan]

I demand screenshots of Bulma standing in the bubble bath! :D
I'm so stupid I rewinded that back and forth on DVR and push like a mother******* but didn't record the damn thing.

[livingfruitvirus]

Tonight's going to be another bore. It's the Goku's ship meets a star episode. Good thing the padding in this saga is not as bad as the training for the saiyans episodes.

[Ishtar]

Tonight's going to be another bore. It's the Goku's ship meets a star episode. Good thing the padding in this saga is not as bad as the training for the saiyans episodes.And a few more weeks later will be those Bulma filler eps, which is the last filler we will encounter for the redub.

[G1Ravage]

I'm posting this early tonight, because I won't be home to watch DBZ live. Tonight's the 50th episode!!

Tonight's episode:

English - "Unexpected Problem"

Japanese - "Escape From a Burning Planet!! A Life-or-Death Kamehame-Ha"

[NickWhiz1]

Filler :/

This one is really tame (no visual edits in the Saban dub according to Psaros's site). Just have to dodge the crappy lines :sweat:

[CyberCubed]

Hey, Goku deserves a spotlight episode every now and then. All he's been getting is 30 second scenes in every ep for the last couple of eps since the Saiyan saga ended.

[Ishtar]

Krillin: "We're screwed!"
Vegeta's "Moby Dick" line was replaced with "Damn! Just a fish!" Krillin's no sense praying is gone!

[Ultra Mike]

Yeah for Kamehameha being used instead of Kaio Ken which Saban used for Goku blasting away from the star.

Oh and what's with Goku saying Space glue? Is this like SpaceTree where every object has a space in front of it?

Heh, nice Vegeata line. "Freeza hasn't been here yet. There's not a corpse to be found. Let's see what I can do about that."

Next Monday... Vegeata kills more Nameks (oh like that's a spoiler. Even the people who have only watched these uncut episodes can assume that) and the title says he has a ball. Wonder what that means...:D

[CyberCubed]

This episode was pretty good actually. What I like about the filler story is it wasn't stretched out over the whole episode.

The first two acts were Krillin/Gohan hiding from Vegeta and finding out from Bulma that Goku was on his way, and the final act dealt with Vegeta coming upon a Namek village.

Goku's story was pretty short, which is why it was fun to watch and didn't ruin the episode. This is how filler should be done, not entire episode filler like some other episodes had.

Vegeta saying, "Bang" was my favorite line in all the redub so far, I don't know why, but it was awesome. Chris Sabat really impressed me in this episode as Vegeta, he sounds really different than even his Cell or Buu saga voice.

[G1Ravage]

A damn good episode.

[FireStarterLE]

he sounds really different than even his Cell or Buu saga voicethat would be his younger "teenage" voice, rather than his "old man" one :D

.... too bad there's not an episode on tonight :sad:

[Dark Fact]

That episode in the Saban redub also marked the infamous debut of Peter Kelamis as Goku which in my opinion, killed the remainder of the Ocean Group dub. Good thing there aren't any abrupt voice changes in this version. :)

Yeah for Kamehameha being used instead of Kaio Ken which Saban used for Goku blasting away from the star.
That was stupid back then even by Saban standards. You'd think the dub scripters would've caught onto that easily but no!

It's times like this when I actually now prefer the FUNi redub instead of the old Saban one.

[Chrono1995]

But, on the other hand, there's no Scott McNeil who was the quintessential Piccolo. I will admit I like the redub a whole lot better than I thought it would, but butchering aside, I think I still somehow prefer the Saban dub just out of nostalgia purposes.

And I LIKED the star episode.

[CyberCubed]

I'll probably still hang on to all my Saban dub tapes too, they're fun to watch for humour purposes.

[Dark Fact]

And comparison purposes! :)

[JTHomeslice]

I demand screenshots of Bulma standing in the bubble bath! :D

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/JTHomeslice/a4f937e9.jpg

Not the best quality,but hey you can see it.

[Hyper Shadow X]

Vegita's bang line reminds me of Freiza's later on in the saga.

[G1Ravage]

Strategically placed bubbles...

[fanboy]

No, the bubbles were really in the japanese version. Bulma's breasts were never seen in DBZ, only on DB.

[Arxane]

No, the bubbles were really in the japanese version. Bulma's breasts were never seen in DBZ, only on DB.
Yeah, that we know. It's just that sometimes the Japanese can be a little bit...obvious with their placement of strategic "obstacles", the most often culprit being strands of hair.

[G1Ravage]

Bulma has strategically placed bubbles. Yet in about two weeks, Goku...well...Goku gets a second chance, if you know what I mean.

[jv2k]

Its because it was only OK when bulma was 16 <_<

[CyberCubed]

Strange how Bulma still looks young throughout most of DBZ. Even in the Cell saga she looked good.

It wasn't until the Buu saga where she started to look older, but that was mostly because of the haircut I guess.

[fanboy]

She only started to look old in the last 3 episodes of DBZ.

[Duke]

I'll probably still hang on to all my Saban dub tapes too, they're fun to watch for humour purposes.I actually wanna go out and find the Saiyan Saga for the Saban dub. I plan on getting both Saban and FUNi versions of the first 3 movies and the Saiyan Saga.

[Master Moron]

I actually wanna go out and find the Saiyan Saga for the Saban dub. I plan on getting both Saban and FUNi versions of the first 3 movies and the Saiyan Saga.

Well, actually, Saban only dubbed one of the movies, Tree of Might, and their dub of Tree of Might was never released on video.

[Sam Hill]

Well, actually, Saban only dubbed one of the movies, Tree of Might, and their dub of Tree of Might was never released on video.
Um, didn't they also dub the Garlic Jr. movie and that one with the giant robot (I don't remember the names obviously)?

[BCVM22]

Um, didn't they also dub the Garlic Jr. movie and that one with the giant robot (I don't remember the names obviously)?
If I'm not mistaken, those were Pioneer productions using the Saban (Ocean Group) voices.

[Dark Fact]

I actually wanna go out and find the Saiyan Saga for the Saban dub. I plan on getting both Saban and FUNi versions of the first 3 movies and the Saiyan Saga.
Good luck finding them. Your best bet is on eBay. Aside from that, you just may find some copies in a thrift store or a video store.

Um, didn't they also dub the Garlic Jr. movie and that one with the giant robot (I don't remember the names obviously)?
The one with Garlic Jr. is DEAD ZONE and the one with the robot is WORLDS STRONGEST. DEAD ZONE got a re-release a few months ago with FUNi's current dub cast.

[Duke]

Good luck finding them. Your best bet is on eBay. Aside from that, you just may find some copies in a thrift store or a video store.Oh, I saw it at Suncoast used a few weeks ago.

[G1Ravage]

Oh, I saw it at Suncoast used a few weeks ago.
Used? There are some Suncoasts/Sam Goodys in my area that still have them new!

[Scirel]

gah, I have so many Buu saga VHS, I wish I had a place to sell them.

Does anyone know if Season 3 will be redubbed? IMO it should so we don`t have a season`s worth of the new VA`s trying to sound like the old ones.

[CyberCubed]

It won't be. The idea behind the redub was to finally release the first two seasons uncut, make FUNImation lots of money, and to have the voices consistent throughout all of DBZ.

Season 3 already is uncut, as well as having the same voices as the rest of the series, leaving FUNI little to no reason to redub it.

[Dark Fact]

I don't know. I think they'll also re-dub the Captain Ginyu arc just to make the new voice for Ginyu consistent to Season 2 and clear up any dub flubs. (Vegeta calling Goku "Goku"?)

[Brent Long]

It won't be. The idea behind the redub was to finally release the first two seasons uncut, make FUNImation lots of money, and to have the voices consistent throughout all of DBZ.

Season 3 already is uncut, as well as having the same voices as the rest of the series, leaving FUNI little to no reason to redub it.

Mark my words. If this release is successful then FUNimation will re-dub season 3. If that's successful then they'll do season 4 and so on. This is their cash cow and their going to milk it til they day their liscense expires. Not that there's anything wrong with that really. It could give us a chance to see these episodes uncut on CN for the first time.

Besides, this is the first time that DBZ has had a 5.1 dub released. They could promote the next seasons in a similar way thay did this one as having the voices we know and love (a few voices have since been replaced from season 3 and 4 as well like nappa and raditz), an updated script that omits bad contradictory dialogue like the Red Ribbon Army flashback with Gero at ther head in season 4, a new 5.1 dub, and including all episode previews for every episode perhaps including the Japanese audio and angle for them for the first time though I do think that was just Toei's fault as they stupidly gave FUNimation previews with no sound whatsoever (this is why dragon ball has no episode previews).

[CyberCubed]

Mark my words. If this release is successful then FUNimation will re-dub season 3. If that's successful then they'll do season 4 and so on.

Eh, I can see a small (very small) chance of Season 3 being redubbed...but Season 4? That would just be ridiculous, and a complete waste of time and money that could be spent dubbing other shows. FUNimation's cash cow may be Dragonball, but there's no way they're going to redub the entire series again just to make a little extra money.

People already bought those seasons on DVD, they have the dub and the Japanese version on the same disc. These people aren't going to buy a redub of Season 4 that will probably be exactly the same as their original dub. Where's the incentive?

As for Season 3 I wouldn't count on it, but there's a 10% chance I suppose since it's directly continued from Season 2.

[Duke]

If this release is successful then FUNimation will re-dub season 3.If this release is successful!?

[FireStarterLE]

if they keep releasing DBZ after second season, maybe third uptill the end of Capt. Ginyu saga, i swear i'm not going to buy anymore .... it's these 2 then and the movies and i'm done with it!

[ClockStomper]

I liked Vegeta's "bang", it's a little foreshadowing to his future technique, "Big Bang Attack".

[G1Ravage]

Eh, I can see a small (very small) chance of Season 3 being redubbed...but Season 4? That would just be ridiculous, and a complete waste of time and money that could be spent dubbing other shows. FUNimation's cash cow may be Dragonball, but there's no way they're going to redub the entire series again just to make a little extra money.

People already bought those seasons on DVD, they have the dub and the Japanese version on the same disc. These people aren't going to buy a redub of Season 4 that will probably be exactly the same as their original dub. Where's the incentive?

As for Season 3 I wouldn't count on it, but there's a 10% chance I suppose since it's directly continued from Season 2.
Maybe if FUNi releases season 4 in a thin-pack boxset...