I've Given Up on Gamecube

[The Jinjo]

I've never had ps2 or xbox. just gamecube. but ive always been happy with it, because nintendo released lots of good games that made it worth having. it's launch was a little weak, but we still had great games like ssbm and pikmin. the next holiday season was amazing. we had mario sunshine, metroid prime, starfox, and a couple months later zelda. not to mention some decent 2nd/3rd party support. and at the time i thought it was a good idea how they released lots of games from well known franchises. that was their "plan". and it worked well. but never did i expect them to continue doing it for the rest of the gamecube's life. and what even makes it worse is that all they release are spin-offs. sure, it was good to have mario sunshine, but did we really need mario golf, tennis, basebase, strikers, party 4, party 5, party 6, and many many more? did we need kirby air ride? my point is, nintendo is (for the most part) only releasing spin-offs from popular franchises. i dont know about you, but id much rather have them making new franchises, new ideas. they're killing the classics. how about a new DK 3D adventure instead of donkey konga, donkey konga 2, donkey konga 3 (soon to come), and donkey kong jungle beat (i know its an adventure, but its different. i find it gimmicky). just look at the list of Nintendo made games this holiday season.

Mario Superstar Baseball -- August 29, 2005 Battalion Wars -- September 19, 2005
Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness -- October 3, 2005
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance -- October 17, 2005
DDR Mario Mix -- October 24, 2005
Mario Party 7 -- November 7, 2005
Super Mario Strikers -- December 5, 2005
So......4 mario spinoffs, and a pokemon game. fire emblem just might be the only thing of interest for me this year. im sure all the mario games are good games, but those are the kind of games i would rent, not buy. and i know a lot of people who feel the same way as me with that. i only buy the best games, im not rich! The only thing that Nintendo had going for it this holiday season was Zelda, and now they pushed it pack. Gamecube is going to have a horrible year.
So yeah, I'm pretty much done defending the console that doesnt put up a fight worth defending. And from the looks of it, Revolution will be the same. Miyamoto wants to make another luigi's manion and a pikmin for it. if they actually repeat the exact same laugh as GCN, there is no way im buying it. I'm glad nintendo still gives us new Marios, Zeldas, DKs, Kirbys, Metroids, but they should only release adventures. No more spinoffs. And no more than one or two per console. I feel nintendo is killing mario with overexposure. Instead, make new franchises, But I don't see that happening. The only nintendo game i can think of that i want is New Mario Brothers (DS). That shouldn't be. Is anyone else on the same page here with me?

[Captain Harlock]

I gave up on the Gamecube about one & 1/2 years ago. Post 2004, there was really only two games i wanted on the system - Resident Evil 4 and Geist. Upon hearing that RE4 would be ported to the Ps2, there was even less reason for me to hang on to my Gamecube. Whenever there was a multiplatform release of a game, I'd just usually get the Xbox version. I owned about 7 games when I had my Gamecube, but I only really felt that there was a total of 12 games that were really worth owning in my opinion. This isn't a general Gamecube bashing post on my behalf, I was just severely disappointed in Nintendo's offering. This has been two generations in a row that Nintendo hasn't delivered to me - and so that's my jumping off point. I'm going to be reluctant to support the Revolution unless it just knocks me off my feet with greatness. But given how the last two generations have gone, I won't hold my breath.

[The Falcon]

i've been thinking of giving up on nintendo as well recently. ultimately i decided not to because legend of zelda is my favorite game series of all time, plus i like all those mario spin-offs. i'm getting mario baseball when it comes out but i'll probably pass on mario strikers as i don't like soccer too much

[silverwings]

*shrugs* it's your money. It all depends on which system makes you happy and has the type of games you like to play. If it does neither of these, then it doesn't make sense to own the system, regardless of which system it is.

[Zyzzybalubah]

As long as Nintendo keeps releasing good first party titles, I will support them. They gotta step it up in that department a bit though.

[Tak Mazé]

Nintendo have given up in the console race, so are trying to cement themselves in history by putting Mario in every genre every thought up. Nah not really (duh). But you make it sound like these games are awful, when they're actually pretty fun. The Mario Party series is especially fun for playing with 3 friends, a microwave and a mini-fridge full of snacks. Mmmhmm.
But yah that new Pokemon game looks to be just as terrible as the first Cube RPG of the series.

[Demonic Raven]

It's not all that bad, just not all that good either. The Mario spinoffs certainly look like fun, I might pick up Mario Superstar Baseball and Super Mario Strikers. The Fire Emblem game doesn't look too shabby. I'll agree with you on the Pokemon game, though.

As far as the Gamecube goes, Zelda was their major player this holiday season, and now the lineup looks kind of wimpy. The real show will be for the DS though. Nintendo's going to start the new WiFi online service, along with a bunch of awesome, must-have games. Maybe it's good for my wallet that the Gamecube doesn't have much going for it...

[Artimus Gigan]

Meh I only have around 20 GC games...compared to my 50+ N64 games..


Really GC has slumped alot. N64 did have two very good Zelda games that were released in a timely fashion, it also had one pretty good Mario game, two excelent kart racers(MK64 and DKR), and a larger variety of high quality games overall...

I mean Mario Kart:DD pretty much paled to it's predecessor in level design, everything was more controled rather than free roaming(i.e. the Cannon on the DK stage in DD sent you automaticly to the next ledge, you couldn't alter the course of your flight path no matter what). Also the battle areas were incredibly small and limited(why no black fort 2.0 is beyond me).

So maybe the Revolution will be better...

[The Falcon]

i have a question about the ds's wifi capability. i live in an area where i'm pretty much 1 of 8 who own a ds. if i get animal crossing with online play, will i be able to co-exist with other online gamers or will i pretty much be by myself?

[Martianinvader]

Even when the Cube launched, I knew I couldn't survive on it alone, and started saving for a PS2. I learned my lesson back with the N64.

Buying more than one console doesn't mean you're "giving up." It means you want to play as many good games as possible, and that hasn't meant "Nintendo only" since 1991.

Though next-gen, it appears Sony aims to put a stop to this. Thanks a lot for pricing me out of the multi-console system, dummies.

[JohnCrichton]

Sadley my console nemesis, the Playstation 2 seems to have the all around best library this console season.

I don't worry... I still love my little Cube. Since I barely play any games enough as it is, having about three incredible games for the system is actually more than enough for me.

I still haven't beat RE4 or the first Zelda title... there's Tales of Symphonia out there and the new Zelda game has yet to land. So, at the rate I play games that's a good year and a half of gaming for me. ;)

I know, sad and pathetic.

Coupled with Wild ARMs 3 on my PS2 and Jade Empire on my Xbox I've yet to dig into.... or KOTOR II to beat, all my consoles are alive and well. Even my Dreamcast could get some milage out of it if I get me some emulators for it.

For those of you who play video games like I read books and comic books, yeah... I do feel sorry for you. Real gamers who back the GC are getting seriously punked.

Why doesn't Nintendo have a ton of 3rd Party Developers making games for it at all? I thought the NGC was suppose to be the easiest of the consoles to program for and get incredible graphics out of.

[Scirel]

Nintendo should just give up making home consoles and stick to what they do best.

Make their famous 1st party games for Other systems and continue to support the gameboy/DS.

[JohnCrichton]

Bah... so long as they're making profit, I'm good. While people who go through games like mad may not feel like they're getting their money's worth, I know I am and I for one find a sense of comfort that there's a Nintendo console out there for me to play.

[Punisher]

I almost gave up on the cube once. I know, things are rough with Xbox and PS2 getting alll the good games(tell me a freaking good reason why Burnout 3 didn't reach the cube) but there are so many good games that only Nintendo has. If I never played cube, I would never have experienced the awesomeness of the Metroid Prime games, or that great F-Zero game. I know, some spinoffs are annoying, like Mario Strikers, but I do genereally like most other a spinoffs and am looking foward to Mario Baseball.

Right now I can almost gurantee me getting the Revolution, not just because it being cheaper, but I do not want to miss those first party games.

[auto]

I wouldn't go as far to say Nintendo's given up on the Gamecube, it just seems that they're spending most of their time on making killer-aps for the DS this holiday season when it needs it most (directly in competition with PSP mind you). New Super Mario Bros., Mario Kart DS, that new Animal Crossing game and Mario and Luigi 2 are all awesome games that could sell a system in addition to awesome games coming out now (Nintendogs, Advance Wars, Kirby, Meteos) and a ton of great third party stuff too (Viewtiful Joe DS, Castlevania).

With all those awesome games, I doubt the PSP will be able to compete with the DS for the holiday season. The only big non-launch titles I can think of that the PSP's getting are Burnout Legends and Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (and judging by the amount of information out now, it could potentially suck).

Also, remember the Gamecube is at the end of its lifecycle. The only people who would buy one now are either gamers short on cash (in which the great player's choice line-up reaches out to) and little kids (in which Mario spin-offs and Pokemon XD are for). If you look at the holiday line-ups for the other consoles, it isn't really much better looking, so I wouldn't necessarily blame this all on Nintendo but more or less the end of this generation.

As long as I can get my new Prince of Persia game for my Gamecube I'm happy, and that new Zelda game looks like the best in the series, which is more than enough reason for me to hold onto mine.

[Sketch]

Nintendo should just give up making home consoles and stick to what they do best.

Make their famous 1st party games for Other systems and continue to support the gameboy/DS.
No. It's bad enough Sega did that. Nintendo should never do that. Gameboy/DS will keep them afloat. As it is the Revolution will be the only remotely affordable console in the next war. Nintendo is too stubborn to drop consoles anway. I believe they said the day they drop out of consoles is the day they drop out of the industry entirely.

[Assembler]

nintendo is a good company,i hope they don't stop making home consoles and handheld consoles.i heard alot of people say they don't want there GC's anymore.i'm glad to have mine.

[Tak Mazé]

I can't see Nintendo using their properties for 3rd party titles on other consoles as a last resort. It'd be an issue of pride.
But yah, the Cube is pretty dead at the moment upcoming-game-wise, but the DS has some awesome titles coming to it as well as a 3rd party cart to give it some fantastic media player and emulation capabilities. As well as the DS's upcoming online play so, focus your attention on the DS and help push Sony back in their place in terms of handhelds.

[Noukon]

The GameCube gets skimped for third party games because not many people buy third party games for the GameCube.

Nintendo itself still makes an insane amount of money off of it, so there's no reason for them to leave the console market.

[EinBebop]

I believe they said the day they drop out of consoles is the day they drop out of the industry entirely.That's the kind of thing you say when you're trying to convince people not to give up on your console systems.

[Kametsou]

As long as Nintendo keeps releasing good first party titles, I will support them. They gotta step it up in that department a bit though.
Nintendo owns video games... no offense.

[Artimus Gigan]

Nintendo owns video games... no offense.Then howcome PS2 got 6 superior platforms(Jak, JakII, JakIII, Ratchet and Clank, Ratchet and Clank GC, Ratchet and Clank UYA)? They are also going to release two kart racers that could KO Mariokart DD in terms of gameplay.

I mean Kart Racing and Platformers are two of Nintendo's strongpoints, but in terms of new platformers they've already been beaten by the competition.

[Zyzzybalubah]

Nintendo owns video games... no offense.
None taken. Don't get me wrong, I love Nintendo. I own all three systems and Gamecube might be my favorite to play. The only problem with them right now is that they're trying to be too innovative and not giving most classic gameplay a chance (see Mario Sunshine, it was a great game, but it's an experiment type game. Gamecube needs a traditional Mario platformer, and not as many spin-offs, although I'm pretty sure those ones they're brining out should be fun.) I loved DK Jungle Beat, and that's innnovation I didn't mind. But then for Star Fox, there was not ONE high quality first party title of it. They let Namco and Rare develop those titles for this generation. Rare's title was okay but Namco's is average at best going towards bad, which is ashame because I was thinking Namco could have made an alright title, I mean Donkey Konga was fun. Luckily we've got 2 Zeldas this generation, Wind Waker was fun but had a lot of room for improvement, IMO.

But like I said, I've enjoyed many of the titles Nintendo brought out for the Gamecube and I'm looking forward to the titles they'll soon be bringing out (can't wait LONG for ZELDA!!!)

As for Gigan, I've played a little of Jak X at Wizard World, and I have to say I'm REALLY impressed with how the title is. It's so far like Mario Kart meets Burnout. It could out-do Double Dash, but Mario Kart 64 would be a tough one though. Also, I'll have to admit the Ratchet titles have been a LITTLE more fun than Mario Sunshine. Nintendo NEEDS to bring out a REALLY GOOD Mario title for Revolution.

[TurtleTitan]

Yeah, aside from Resident Evil 4, GameCube was really slouching this year. If you aren't into Mario spinoff titles, you won't like GC this holiday (Unless you like Pokemon and Fire Emblem...a lot).

But the DS looks pretty good this year. Advance Wars, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Mario & Luigi...good stuff.

If only Zelda really did make it this year. It alone would've turned an abysmal GC Christmas into a great one (Yes, Zelda is just that kind of game for Nintendo fans).

[Simpler Simon]

My support is wavering, but still there. Mostly because theres a backlog of titles I never picked up before, so I still have about 13 games or so to pick up, plus an additional few that haven't been released (new Bond game, new Zelda, etc.)

Honestly, I've been pretty lucky that most of my favourite franchises are still being ported to cube. Some that aren't I can still play on the PC, so I'm really only missing out on a few titles (aka Jade Empire). And ultimately the exclusive titles make the cube worthwhile in the long run (resident evil remake, eternal darkness, f-zero, pikmin, rogue leader, list goes on...)

[Carolina Red]

Nintendo has slowly been committing suicide over the years by being incredibly dependent on its Mario franchise. I'd personally retire that if I ran the company, but I'd probably have one final massive Mario game to close the series out with. And I can tell how bad the third-party scenario for them has gotten when Capcom takes all these games that were supposed to be exclusive to the system (Resident Evil 4, Killer 7, etc.) and releases them on PS2 as well.

Maybe if Nintendo at least had the will to be catering towards the more progressive audience and try to create new ideas the company would get a lot more respect from the gaming industry, third party companies and players themselves. Geist is a start, but then again they've taken more steps back with all those Mario games. Next up, Super Mario Shuffleboard...

P.S. Kart racing and party games are to Nintendo what World War II/Vietnam War games are to PS2. In other words, all systems are relying on certain genres way too much. (and it's usually very hit or miss, most of the time miss)

[Martianinvader]

Then howcome PS2 got 6 superior platforms(Jak, JakII, JakIII, Ratchet and Clank, Ratchet and Clank GC, Ratchet and Clank UYA)? They are also going to release two kart racers that could KO Mariokart DD in terms of gameplay.

I mean Kart Racing and Platformers are two of Nintendo's strongpoints, but in terms of new platformers they've already been beaten by the competition.Did anyone really buy Jak III? It's "Greatest Hits" now nonetheless, but so is Star Ocean 3 and I'm the only one that bought THAT at launch. The truth is that any Naughty Dog, Insomnia or Square release will automatically get the favor of a budget price within one year. It's not based on sales....I don't see how it can be after what I've seen.

[Squall]

The last two Nintendo systems (N64 and GameCube) I bought with the latest Legend of Zelda, Metroid, and F-Zero games in mind. (Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem was a good bonus too.) I bought a Game Boy Player with Metroid: Zero Mission and Metroid Fusion (and the three Castlevania GBA games) in mind.

As much as I love Nintendo, those are the only reasons I keep buying Nintendo systems. When the Legend of Zelda and Metroid franchises die out, I'll stop buying their systems. Simple as that.

As for the PS2? They've surprised me time and time again. The Square Enix library, the EA Sports library, titles ranging from Ape Escape to God of War, the PS1 compatibility, the ability to play DVDs... Sony definintely has the edge, and has had the edge since 1997 (when Final Fantasy VII came out on the PS1).

Nintendo is in no danger of going out of business, but they may one day give up on the home console business (like Sega did). And it won't be the end of the world -- you can still play Sonic games, for example, just now they're on the PS2 and Game Boy Advance, instead of Sega's own system. And I'd be just as happy playing Nintendo games on my PS3 as I would my GameCube and (eventually) my Revolution. :p

[Artemis]

Aw, you're just saying that because the new Zelda was pushed back. Had it come out during the holidays as planned, this lackluster year would've been instantly forgiven.

[Juu-kuchi]

My support has been wavering since 2003, however I really forward to the offerings of the Cube this year. Geist (still haven't played it yet), Odama, and Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance is highly promising. But then again, the Cube is slowly dying out but Nintendo I believe isn't fighting tooth and nail to bring gamers to their fold. Mario Baseball/Strikers/DDR? Meh. Fire Emblem and Odama? Highly esoteric. Twlight Princess? Delayed. Battalion Wars? ...Maybe. Plus Nintendo isn't working on ANYTHING new or exciting for the Cube. When you see the PS2 you get games like Shadow of the Collosus, Okami, Katamari Damacy, and all the esoteric RPG/Strategy series that dot the system like the ones from Nippon Ichi.

Nintendo says they appeal to the gamer and to all ages. Well where are they? Mostly catering to certain demographics, but even then those demographics do not have the larger number of games that dot the PS2 or even the Xbox..

I still have to beat Skies of Arcadia Legends and Baten Kaitos for the GC, and also I continue to check up on my Animal Crossing. But after Twilight Princess is released, Gamecube pretty much has ended it's life. I really really hope that the Revolution really turns some heads, but if it is not as revolutionary as Satoru Iwata and the rest of Nintendo says it is, I'm probably not going to look into it. But let's wait and see what happens.

All that potential was stored in that little black/purple/platinum box, but Nintendo just sat on it's hands while Xbox and PS2 was hitting with everything they got (whether it was online play or the variety of games that the system had). And what was one of the more notable things Nintendo had to offer?

A fat plumber with a water device.

=(

[Artimus Gigan]

Did anyone really buy Jak III? It's "Greatest Hits" now nonetheless, but so is Star Ocean 3 and I'm the only one that bought THAT at launch. The truth is that any Naughty Dog, Insomnia or Square release will automatically get the favor of a budget price within one year. It's not based on sales....I don't see how it can be after what I've seen.Considering that Jak III pretty much got pretty good reviews, obviously people must have bought it, they also advertised pretty well.

Star Ocean TTEOT was fairly middle of the road, but still enough to garner a following...

[Sketch]

Don't be silly. Nothing will KO Mario Kart. Mario Kart is so universally enjoyed despite being basically the same game every version. I for one own every one of them so far and many people love to play all of them and despite it's flaws DD is enjoyable and farely popular as well. No Mario Kart clone has ever topped the real deal it seems. Though CTR put up a good fight for sure.

Platforming wise they've been beat this generation for sure. Sunshine was pathetic IMO. I love SM64 but Sunshine... no way. Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie was better than SM64 in some respects (if not all) but there was something great about Mario 64 that made it enjoyable even when BK seemed to have it beat. But Sunshine lost to Jack and Daxter and Ratchet and Clank for sure.

[Sigma]

I like the Gamecube, it seems like every year it sits on my entertainment center and collects dust while both the Xbox and PS2 get played. Granted the Cube does get played a few times during the year when big games come out for it, but as far as this year goes, I have played Resident Evil 4 and will play WWE Day of Reckoning 2 quite a bit.

I own about 30 Cube games and own 70+ for Xbox and somewhere around 80 PS2 games. The Gamecube just doesn't have much that is worth playing, I personally don't hate the Mario spin-off sports games, but there is no chance in hell that I am going to spend cash on them when I can buy something a thousand times better on another console.

[Zach]

These so called "spinoffs" of popular franchises are pretty good.

Anyway, if Nintendo keeps up the first-party support, my loyalty will never die.

[The Jinjo]

These so called "spinoffs" of popular franchises are pretty good.

Anyway, if Nintendo keeps up the first-party support, my loyalty will never die.Yeah, the spinoffs are good. but its just more and more of the same. i bought mario party 4, and i see no reason to buy 5, 6, and 7. sure they all vary, but its the same idea over and over. mario golf and tennis had been done on the n64. Nintendo repeats itself over and over. That's the problem. Sure, Mario party 6 was good, but how much different was it than the other 5? know what im saying? We only get huge titles like the new Zelda once a year, if that. Most GC games of recent days all seem like half-ass efforts to me, like Zelda:the four swords, warioware. either that or recycled ideas. nintendo thinks they're innovative. they are with the ds.......but nothing about GC is innovative. as i said when i opened this thread, the GC had one year with tons of great games, but to this day, those games are really the only ones worth buying. since then, what have we got thats worth buying? mario kart....metroid prime 2... i cant think of any others. theres a problems there. nintendo is one of (if not the) biggest 1st party publishers in the world. they should be able to put out more than what they're giving us, quality AND quantity wise. And believe me, all of you who still loves these games, you'll eventually get bored of what nintendo is doing. that is, unless they try some new ideas out. i do not hate nintendo is any way. ive never bought a non-nintendo console in my life. i was a dedicated fan. but nintendo just seems to...........not know what they're doing? i dont know

on a side note, paper mario was worth buying, although not a directly nintendo made game

[auto]

on a side note, paper mario was worth buying, although not a directly nintendo made game
Intelligent Systems is a video game developer and internal team of Nintendo Co., Ltd. Along with the closely-related Nintendo R&D1, Intelligent Systems is known for creating or expanding some of the most well-received Nintendo franchises, including Metroid, Kid Icarus, Nintendo Wars, Paper Mario, and Fire Emblem. In the past they have also designed many of Nintendo's development tools including the Super Nintendo Emulator SE. I don't see how that discounts them as a good developer.

[K-dog]

DDR Mario Mix? as a DDR fan i take this as an insult. making DDR for GC will be really wacky. knowing me im still gonna buy it. no matter how much of a DDR rip off it is. first ill need to buy a GC, anyone know where to buy a good cheap GC?

[Stuckey]

I just got a Gamecube for the Zelda games. Anything else that I happened to enjoy was a bonus. Granted, there hasn't been much. Of course, I don't play much on any system. I pretty much just play TopSpin Tennis and Madden on XBox and when I had a PS2 it was pretty much just for the first Jak&Daxter and Madden.

[Killtacular]

Did anyone really buy Jak III?
Uh, yeah. Tons of people. The Jak series is very popular. And deservedly so.

[Artimus Gigan]

Don't be silly. Nothing will KO Mario Kart. Mario Kart is so universally enjoyed despite being basically the same game every version. I for one own every one of them so far and many people love to play all of them and despite it's flaws DD is enjoyable and farely popular as well. No Mario Kart clone has ever topped the real deal it seems. Though CTR put up a good fight for sure.


Naughty Dog pretty much has all the same people who worked on CTR who are going to work on Jak and Daxter racing....the racing/driving minigames in JakIII pretty much show that it can pretty much pull off the whole thing with vehicles and weapons. Not to mention they are implementing the cutomising/upgrading aspect to add more variables to the outcome of matches. So it's pretty much what's already in DD and then some(I pray for the ability to incompasitate the opponent vehicles) Also I wouldn't really call CTR a clone of Mariokart, CTR was more along the lines of Diddy Kong Racing with the entire quest scernerio, boss battles, and all. CTR just didn't have the different types of vehicles to choose from. However CTR offered more multiplyer battle stages than DKR.

[Mary_mari]

DDR Mario Mix? as a DDR fan i take this as an insult. making DDR for GC will be really wacky.Oh my gosh, you said wacky~ *calls Nny*

Then howcome PS2 got 6 superior platforms(Jak, JakII, JakIII, Ratchet and Clank, Ratchet and Clank GC, Ratchet and Clank UYA)? They are also going to release two kart racers that could KO Mariokart DD in terms of gameplay.Well, I would imagine they could outsell the DS's Mario Kart . I don't think it's anything to brag on that the PS2 can outsell the DS with any game release. It's the DS (aka "sickly newborn"). However, I could never see them outselling Nintendo's home console Mario Kart franchise. It'll be a cold day...

Still, I must say I'm a blind follower of Nintendo. Now, I can admit that Sony has quite the winning streak. But I'll never own one. I'm all about playing games for pure, unadulterated fun. Nintendo provides*

*of course, I'm also a relentless soul who never tires of the same ole' thing ;)

[Artimus Gigan]

Oh my gosh, you said wacky~ *calls Nny*

Well, I would imagine they could outsell the DS's Mario Kart . I don't think it's anything to brag on that the PS2 can outsell the DS with any game release. It's the DS (aka "sickly newborn"). However, I could never see them outselling Nintendo's home console Mario Kart franchise. It'll be a cold day...

Still, I must say I'm a blind follower of Nintendo. Now, I can admit that Sony has quite the winning streak. But I'll never own one. I'm all about playing games for pure, unadulterated fun. Nintendo provides*

*of course, I'm also a relentless soul who never tires of the same ole' thing ;)I never said anything about the DS

I said Mario Kart DD and used DD as the abreviation...

[Mary_mari]

I never said anything about the DS

I said Mario Kart DD and used DD as the abreviation...
Oh dear...you meant Double Dash?? Like...MKDD?? Well, that's embarrassing on my part. Sorry, Artimus Gigan. I don't know why I assumed DD to be DS (gah, idiot~). So...UPDATE! Mary_mari jumps to conclusions and...can't read. :ack:

Ahh, the point I was trying to make is lost now...ignore post #41 kiddies. PS2 is the supreme being of the universe and Nintendo is the lowly anal-dwelling ameoba on this purgatory we call Earth.

[Noukon]

Nintendo has slowly been committing suicide over the years by being incredibly dependent on its Mario franchise.
Suicide is an incorrect term. Their business is currently very lucrative, despite the GameCube's failings, and they make a ton of money off of all the Mario spinoff games.

I'd personally retire that if I ran the company
You'd be personally responsible for the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, then.

Maybe if Nintendo at least had the will to be catering towards the more progressive audience and try to create new ideas the company would get a lot more respect from the gaming industry
There are, supposedly, at least three entirely new franchises being developed for the Revolution. Also, some new ones have already been put out; the GameCube had Pikmin and Eternal Darkness (which would have gotten a sequel or ten if it hadn't flopped sales-wise), the GBA introduced franchises to the U.S. for the first time (including Advance Wars and Fire Emblem), and the DS has a wide array of unique first-party titles (Nintendogs and Electroplankton are two big ones).

It's the DS (aka "sickly newborn").
You're aware that the DS is currently on a massive sales rebound, are you not?

[guinaevere]

i have a question about the ds's wifi capability. i live in an area where i'm pretty much 1 of 8 who own a ds. if i get animal crossing with online play, will i be able to co-exist with other online gamers or will i pretty much be by myself? The wifi will be able to connect to those around you within (what is it?) 100 ft or so?

But the DS will also be utilizing online gaming Q4 and that includes AC in their online lineup. All DS owners will need is hi speed connectivity, and a wireless router.

[Mary_mari]

You're aware that the DS is currently on a massive sales rebound, are you not?
No, I'm not. That's the big argument between me and my brother. I can't stand the whole 'DS'-thing (BUT, I've played Nintendogs...it's awesome*). In my opinion, the DS was a cheap/quick fix for Nintendo profit-wise. I'm wrong, of course, because obviously the DS is doing well on its own. More power to it, but I don't care.

I adore Nintendo with every fiber of my being since it's the underdog right now. Especially the GC. Recycling characters and titles isn't a wise choice, it's a risky choice and that's what that corporation is all about: Bungee jumping naked in the middle of winter with a boiled spaghetti noodle. Now who wouldn't want to be friends with a guy like that??

[Carolina Red]

There are, supposedly, at least three entirely new franchises being developed for the Revolution. Also, some new ones have already been put out; the GameCube had Pikmin and Eternal Darkness (which would have gotten a sequel or ten if it hadn't flopped sales-wise), the GBA introduced franchises to the U.S. for the first time (including Advance Wars and Fire Emblem), and the DS has a wide array of unique first-party titles (Nintendogs and Electroplankton are two big ones).Now I like what I see in Battalion Wars.

Overall the Cube is best for me, as I see myself more in the middle of the road - somewhere between casual gamer and hardcore gamers - and I'm not much of a fan of online gaming. Now some games that don't make the Cube get on PC, so there is always that option too. But it would still be nice if Nintendo at least tried. You don't get anywhere it you just lie there on the couch.

[Squall]

Aw, you're just saying that because the new Zelda was pushed back.
Not at all! I love Nintendo, and I've been a Nintendo fan since 1985. And when I say that I bought a GameCube for a select number of games, I don't mean to sound hostile towards them. It's just that I only have so much money to spend on video games, and so much time to play video games, so I have to choose where I spend my money and time carefully. :sweat:

As for the discussion on portable systems, I never could get into those. I prefer to carry a few magazines with me when I'm traveling around town, or on a trip (if they get lost or damaged, no investments were lost). That's not to say that I don't think they're cool, though. :p

Let's see, what games do I have in my small GameCube collection?

Super Mario Sunshine
The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Editon
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
*The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
*Metroid Prime 3: Evolution
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
F-Zero GX
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!

*I will definiately own these two games when they come out! So I went on ahead and included them.

Notes: (1) I buy all my sports games, like EA Sports, for example, for my PS2. (2) I own a PS2, a GameCube with a Game Boy Player, a Super NES, and a NES.

[Mr.E]

Iam a huge nintendo fan , but I really can't blame any of you, only once awhile the cube has had great releases but they're few and far in between. NINTENDO, STOP MAKING THE DAMN MARIO PARTIES WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scirel]

Metroid Prime 3 was already said by retro to be in development for Revolution, not GC.

[Sketch]

Jack and Daxter racing should be very good and Naughty Dog is putting on their best but beating Mario Kart? Even DD? No way man. It's freak'n Mario Kart. No matter how many companies try to make a good clone or a good game to beat it they all don't hold water like Mario Kart. Probably because of the mass family appeal. Jack and Daxter will probably be more of a teen and adult thing. Mario Kart DS will also greatly advance the franchise's multiplayer possibilities (officially handled online that's handheld? wicked sweet).

I agree with Mr. E on Mario Party without a doubt. 1 was nice. A few is okay but they just keep releasing them too quickly. A new one (maybe 2) each console would be fine but not 3 per console. That's rediculous. Especialy since we haven't had a Smash Bros. game since Melee back in what... 2002? At least there's one coming for the REV. Well whatever... I still want a portable one (MUST HAVE JUMP SUPERSTARS!!!)

[RAINMAN]

Funny how people talk how all nintendo do is make reharse games yet most of the games that came out and had good sales this gen are nothing but reharse games. Yet I don`t hear nobody telling EA to stop whit madden, RS to stop whit GTA,SE to stop whit FF,Cap to stop whit RE,MM etc... So why be double standder when it comes to N? I admit N needs to put mario in more adventure games then sports games but that don`t mean they should stop making sequels and spinoffs when fans still like and buy those party/sports games. Heck the mario party games sales better then most of sony first party games. I`m not jokeing those game really do sales. I don`t know how or why but they just do. I guess you can say MP is to N what madden is to EA.:sweat:

[fantastic 7]

I gave up on the Cube about 1 year ago. The reason was the only games I enjoyed on it were Star Wars Rogue Squadron and Metroid Prime. Everything else was to brightly colored for me.

[Artimus Gigan]

Funny how people talk how all nintendo do is make reharse games yet most of the games that came out and had good sales this gen are nothing but reharse games. Yet I don`t hear nobody telling EA to stop whit madden, RS to stop whit GTA,SE to stop whit FF,Cap to stop whit RE,MM etc... So why be double standder when it comes to N? I admit N needs to put mario in more adventure games then sports games but that don`t mean they should stop making sequels and spinoffs when fans still like and buy those party/sports games. Heck the mario party games sales better then most of sony first party games. I`m not jokeing those game really do sales. I don`t know how or why but they just do. I guess you can say MP is to N what madden is to EA.:sweat:It's just that Mario came from Platformers...

People want NEW Mario platformers using the new technology to the fullest(and using Luigi). I mean Naughty Dog did three Jak games and Insomniac did three Ratchet games in PS2 on the same span Nintendo only did one totaly new Mario Platformer on the Gamecube. Only after the three games were complete did ND and Insiomniac go into the spinoff racing titles...Naughty Dog did the same thing with Crash as well, the last Crash game that they did was CTR. These other companies don't really spin-off as much as Nintendo, Final Fantasy only has the two tactics games, the two chocobo dungeon games, and whatever the hell they're doing with FF7. However they also kept releasing games from the core series as well. I mean Nintendo released two Mario Parties on Gamecube, Mario Kart DD, Mario Tennis, Mario Baseball, Super Smash Bros., Paper Mario, and a whole load of Mario Spinoffs and re-issues for the GBA...and not one goes along with the entire concept of a new 3D Mario like in Sunshine

I mean it's backwards...

[Mr.E]

It's just that Mario came from Platformers...

People want NEW Mario platformers using the new technology to the fullest(and using Luigi). I mean Naughty Dog did three Jak games and Insomniac did three Ratchet games in PS2 on the same span Nintendo only did one totaly new Mario Platformer on the Gamecube. Only after the three games were complete did ND and Insiomniac go into the spinoff racing titles...Naughty Dog did the same thing with Crash as well, the last Crash game that they did was CTR. These other companies don't really spin-off as much as Nintendo, Final Fantasy only has the two tactics games, the two chocobo dungeon games, and whatever the hell they're doing with FF7. However they also kept releasing games from the core series as well. I mean Nintendo released two Mario Parties on Gamecube, Mario Kart DD, Mario Tennis, Mario Baseball, Super Smash Bros., Paper Mario, and a whole load of Mario Spinoffs and re-issues for the GBA...and not one goes along with the entire concept of a new 3D Mario like in Sunshine

I mean it's backwards...
Your right , I don't get why nintendo thinks people want all these Mario spin offs and no new platformers ? I was epescially pissed off when they said they'll finally show this "Mario 128" thing , and when somebody interviewed miyamoto, it looks like the game hasn't been started yet .

[Zyzzybalubah]

It's just that Mario came from Platformers...

People want NEW Mario platformers using the new technology to the fullest(and using Luigi). I mean Naughty Dog did three Jak games and Insomniac did three Ratchet games in PS2 on the same span Nintendo only did one totaly new Mario Platformer on the Gamecube. Only after the three games were complete did ND and Insiomniac go into the spinoff racing titles...Naughty Dog did the same thing with Crash as well, the last Crash game that they did was CTR. These other companies don't really spin-off as much as Nintendo, Final Fantasy only has the two tactics games, the two chocobo dungeon games, and whatever the hell they're doing with FF7. However they also kept releasing games from the core series as well. I mean Nintendo released two Mario Parties on Gamecube, Mario Kart DD, Mario Tennis, Mario Baseball, Super Smash Bros., Paper Mario, and a whole load of Mario Spinoffs and re-issues for the GBA...and not one goes along with the entire concept of a new 3D Mario like in Sunshine

I mean it's backwards...
I just hope that Mario 128, Super Mario Revolution, or whatever the heck they'll call it, is going to be explosively amazing! Sunshine was decent, but not enough for Gamecube players. It's still above Sega not doing any real Sonics for the Saturn, but it is really close! IMO there should be 2 Mario platformers and 2 Zelda adventures per Nintendo console, and they can do as many spin-offs after that they want.

[Scirel]

I thin we hit the nail on the head here in that Nintendo i releasing too amny spinoffs and not enough of the core series for Mario.

There has only been ONE game released for GC that could be considered a traditional mario game (SMS), and even that is a bit dicey because of the water cannon. We now have way way WAY too many Mario Party games, and just about every sports spinoff imaginable. People are forgetting why these charachters are so famous in the first place, because of the seemingly forgotten core series. I mean, Nintendo made THREE mario titles for Nes, but only one for each subsequent system? And No, while I adore Yoshi`s Island, I do not consider it a Mario game.

[Zyzzybalubah]

And No, while I adore Yoshi`s Island, I do not consider it a Mario game.
It's an alright title but yes, when I played it I was extremely let down! I was like "Are you serious? They're calling THIS a sequel to Mario World?!?"

[RAINMAN]

You know. Every sense the SNES N has only made one mario platformer per system. Like someone said yoshi island is not a true sequel. They really need to start making more mario platformers in the future.

[Noukon]

I don't get why nintendo thinks people want all these Mario spin offs and no new platformers ? The spinoffs sell better.

The constant rereleasing of older Mario games also counts for something, too; I mean, I'd rather have more Mario platformers (and we do get them now and again; hell, there's another coming out on the DS this year), but the classics still stand up today, and rereleasing them does allow new generations of gamers to experience them.

[Artimus Gigan]

The spinoffs sell better.

The constant rereleasing of older Mario games also counts for something, too; I mean, I'd rather have more Mario platformers (and we do get them now and again; hell, there's another coming out on the DS this year), but the classics still stand up today, and rereleasing them does allow new generations of gamers to experience them.Thing is though they have been re-released numerious times over since their inital appearance on NES

You had SM Allstars on SNES

You Had SMB on GBC

You Had Super Mario 1, 2, and 3 on the GBA and you also had SMW 1 and 2

Yet not one recent collection includes all the 2D incarnations like the Zelda disc or even the Street Fighter, Megaman, and the other retro collections. I mean Mario Allstars was released years and years ago, but they split the content into three seperate GBA games down the road. So I mean if they could gather every single 2D mario onto a 20 buck set that would be pretty much the ideal.

[Noukon]

Thing is though they have been re-released numerious times over since their inital appearance on NES

You had SM Allstars on SNES

You Had SMB on GBC

You Had Super Mario 1, 2, and 3 on the GBA and you also had SMW 1 and 2
This means what, exactly? All of those rereleases were generations apart.

Yet not one recent collection includes all the 2D incarnations like the Zelda disc or even the Street Fighter, Megaman, and the other retro collections. I mean Mario Allstars was released years and years ago, but they split the content into three seperate GBA games down the road. So I mean if they could gather every single 2D mario onto a 20 buck set that would be pretty much the ideal.
The "ideal" for a corporation is to spread out sales and profits as much as possible. One compilation would be cool to us, but it's unnecessary from their standpoint. If you don't want to buy those GBA rereleases, don't bother; they're not meant for you anyway, they're meant for kids that are new to gaming and haven't experienced those titles before (and anyone with a lot of disposable income who wants a couple of classic titles to play on the go).

[The Jinjo]

Does anyone know what the launch titles are rumored to be for Revolution? If the Revolution launch isnt good, Nintendo is going to be in automatic 3rd place.

[Mr.E]

Does anyone know what the launch titles are rumored to be for Revolution? If the Revolution launch isnt good, Nintendo is going to be in automatic 3rd place.Launch Titles ? I don't know, but I do know they will have Metroid Prime 3 and Smash Bros. online.

[Artimus Gigan]

This means what, exactly? All of those rereleases were generations apart.


The "ideal" for a corporation is to spread out sales and profits as much as possible. One compilation would be cool to us, but it's unnecessary from their standpoint. If you don't want to buy those GBA rereleases, don't bother; they're not meant for you anyway, they're meant for kids that are new to gaming and haven't experienced those titles before (and anyone with a lot of disposable income who wants a couple of classic titles to play on the go).Capcom, Midway, Namco, and Sega all released multigame compilations for pretty much the big names in their series at low price points. Nintendo should really do the same. I mean really hardly any of the younger crowd is interested with the old games, it's mostly the people who grew up around the games who are interested in them.

[Noukon]

Capcom, Midway, Namco, and Sega all released multigame compilations for pretty much the big names in their series at low price points. Nintendo should really do the same. I mean really hardly any of the younger crowd is interested with the old games, it's mostly the people who grew up around the games who are interested in them.
Yes, it would be nice if they did that, but they really don't have to.

Your assumption that hardly any of the younger crowd is interested in the rereleases, however, is incorrect. The rereleases topped game sales charts, and were primarily bought up by children (as is the case with most GBA games).

[Mr.E]

Capcom, Midway, Namco, and Sega all released multigame compilations for pretty much the big names in their series at low price points. Nintendo should really do the same. I mean really hardly any of the younger crowd is interested with the old games, it's mostly the people who grew up around the games who are interested in them.
The re-release of old Super NES games on Gameboy Advance has done very well.

[Artimus Gigan]

The re-release of old Super NES games on Gameboy Advance has done very well.I'm not saying they didn't do well, I'm just saying it would be more efficant price-wise to release them on one big collection

[Mr.E]

I'm not saying they didn't do well, I'm just saying it would be more efficant price-wise to release them on one big collection
It would be nice, but they really wouldn't have to do it, and besides, its better to release them this way because they give the original game plus new features.

[Noukon]

I'm not saying they didn't do well, I'm just saying it would be more efficant price-wise to release them on one big collection
Efficient for us, yes. The business is different, though.

One compilation cart selling for $34.99 will make far less money than five individual carts selling for $34.99 apiece. Since they're trying to sell to an entirely new audience, they can get away with it. Someone like me, however, won't pay that; I'll simply bust out my SNES and play them that way.

Nintendo generates more revenue from an investment they made fifteen years ago, and that revenue goes into creating a new, different Mario game.

The entire issue will be moot, however, when the Revolution is out and any of the classic Mario games can be downloaded for a few bucks.

[Dark Soul]

I'm giving up on Nintendo when it comes to console I'll just stick with the DS instead.

[Elven Moon]

I just bought a Gamecube a few days ago :sweat: And actually, I'm having a lot of fun with it! Sure, the selection isn't the best, but I love the Mario games (I don't go for the army or football games and all that) and have a PS2 at home, so I'm content.

[Mr.E]

The spinoffs sell better.

The constant rereleasing of older Mario games also counts for something, too; I mean, I'd rather have more Mario platformers (and we do get them now and again; hell, there's another coming out on the DS this year), but the classics still stand up today, and rereleasing them does allow new generations of gamers to experience them.

Yes the spin offs do sell, because they spend so much time making them and releasing them. If Nintendo just spent more time on making Mario platformers, they whould sell.

[Drachentöter]

While I'm not one of those "Nintendo USED to be cool" people, I do hope the Revolution inspires Nintendo to go back to making classic platformers and expanding their key franchises with its 100% backwards compatibility.

I wonder how much money people will spend for classic NES/SNES/N64 games...

[Noukon]

Yes the spin offs do sell, because they spend so much time making them and releasing them. If Nintendo just spent more time on making Mario platformers, they whould sell.
Incorrect. Super Mario Sunshine was a relative sales disappointment.

[Mr.E]

Incorrect. Super Mario Sunshine was a relative sales disappointment.Yeah, because it was a weak version of Super Mario 64, I played the whole game, its only worth renting or if you never played Super Mario 64.

[Sketch]

Mario Sunshine was awful. There was enough variety like in Mario 64 and the boss fights were quite unsatifying... don't even get me started on the plot. The best part was the boss fight that took place on a roller coaster. That was quite a trip actually. The game had some nice water effects as well. Very nice indeed. Unfortunately it just didn't stack up. It was worth trying but not worth buying.

[Mr.E]

don't even get me started on the plot.
I know, ugh, it actually sounded interesting and then the twist ended up being the same thing all over again.

[Noukon]

Yeah, because it was a weak version of Super Mario 64, I played the whole game, its only worth renting or if you never played Super Mario 64.
My point is, if they rushed out tons of Mario platformers, they'd all be like Sunshine.

[Mr.E]

My point is, if they rushed out tons of Mario platformers, they'd all be like Sunshine.You never said that, you only said that the side games make more money. And they seem to be constantly rushing out these spin off games, which don't end up being any goood either. If they just took there time and make Mario platformers, those whould sell alot better then these side games. Another problem is, Mario has become such a popular character, Nintendo sees it much easier to make a bunch of crappy side games that they know will sell then taking the time to make an excellent platformer.

[Noukon]

You never said that, you only said that the side games make more money.
That was the general gist of my statement regarding the game's sales. Sales were low because Sunshine offered little new. Sunshine offered little new because it was sped through development.

And they seem to be constantly rushing out these spin off games, which don't end up being any goood either.
Many of them are quite good.

If they just took there time and make Mario platformers, those whould sell alot better then these side games.
This is circular. They made a major Mario platformer (which did not receive particularly bad press, I might add) and it didn't sell nearly as well as expected. You're making a random prediction without any actual fact to back it up.

Another problem is, Mario has become such a popular character, Nintendo sees it much easier to make a bunch of crappy side games that they know will sell then taking the time to make an excellent platformer.
They see it that way because it is that way. Also, said "side games" are not "crappy." They're polished, fun, and more unique than they look. Look at Super Smash Bros. Melee; it's one of the top-selling games of all time.

It's also worth noting that the side games are not pulling resources that would otherwise be used for a Mario platformer; they are being handled by internal teams and second-party firms that would not work on a flagship Nintendo title to begin with. Most of them are developed by Camelot. SSBM was developed by HAL.

The Pikmin and Zelda games (among others), which have been tying up Nintendo's main development teams for years, can be more accurately blamed for the lack of new Mario platformers (that's if you want to blame one project for another's lack of speed). Also, as I said before, Nintendo is putting years of intense research and development into their next Mario platformer to ensure that it is innovative, and that the public reaction to it is more like it was to Mario 64 than it was to Sunshine.

You're dissing Sunshine, while simultaneously advocating the process that guarenteed it would disappoint. Not a particularly wise argument to make.

[Mr.E]

That was the general gist of my statement regarding the game's sales. Sales were low because Sunshine offered little new. Sunshine offered little new because it was sped through development.
so you admit that if they took there time , it whould have been a better game ?




Many of them are quite good/
All these new Mario Parties sucked(the only good one was the first one) and the new Mario Tennis wasn't that good either, the new features they put in that game aren't fun at all, there annoying and useless.


This is circular. They made a major Mario platformer (which did not receive particularly bad press, I might add)
That press was the promotion of the game,not the quality of the game.


And it didn't sell nearly as well as expected. You're making a random prediction without any actual fact to back it up.
Iam not making any random prediction.The Mario Platformers will sell , look at Super Mario 64 DS, don't tell me that was a sales disappointment, it been the best selling game for the DS.

They see it that way because it is that way. Also, said "side games" are not "crappy." They're polished, fun, and more unique than they look. Look at Super Smash Bros. Melee; it's one of the top-selling games of all time.
Thats because Smash Bros. was a launch title, of course they whould take there time to make it perfect.


The Pikmin and Zelda games (among others), which have been tying up Nintendo's main development teams for years, can be more accurately blamed for the lack of new Mario platformers (that's if you want to blame one project for another's lack of speed).
Thats a pathetic excuse, they're was only ONE real Zelda game and two Pikmin games, try again.

Also, as I said before, Nintendo is putting years of intense research and development into their next Mario platformer to ensure that it is innovative, and that the public reaction to it is more like it was to Mario 64 than it was to Sunshine.
How do you know that ?

You're dissing Sunshine, while simultaneously advocating the process that guarenteed it would disappoint. Not a particularly wise argument to make.
Like I said , if they take the time to actually work on the games they whould sell. They didn't simply port Super Martio 64 to the DS, they added a ton of new features.

[Bartman3010]

Any GCN owner who doesnt have Donkey Kong Jungle Beat sucks and are bias.

Though I'm not quite sure why I'm jumping into the middle of this argument. Though I guess I'll chip in some money.

I will say that other than the fact that my GCN is my pride and joy, since with the Game Boy Player, I own over 100 titles (Yes, some of them being ports, mostly games I MISSED) Nintendo didnt concentrate enough on their plan to make the Gamecube successful. Donlkey Kong Jumgle Beat probably gave me a different look on developing video games; sometimes the small development times can prove to be the most worthwhile, be inventive and interesting at the same time. I just wish Nintendo put out mor eof these kinds of things at the start of the system's life span. (And maybe at some reduced prices)

Of course I'm probably surrounded by anal retenative nerds who dont look at these things from a profitable point of view. Everyone has different tastes in video games. Deal with the fact that people go buy the Mario Party games and it sells about half a million. Deal with the fact that they make ports at high prices because simply emulating them or porting them means cheap money, the GBA Mario games took work to get on the GBA. They didnt plop all the assets into one big machine and press "Port from SNES to GBA" button. Also, these new 3D games take a lot longer to pull off than back in the N64 days. Theres more attention to graphic detail and gameplay than you might think. They're all done from a number of seprate teams or even companies outside of Nintendo.

I'm probably going to get whined at with factless opinions because people are tired of the lack of games coming out for GCN. Guess what? I own an XBox and about 13 games for it, and I'm still playing my GCN for some odd reason.

Well, odd according to you folks, but hey.

[Mr.E]

Any GCN owner who doesnt have Donkey Kong Jungle Beat sucks and are bias.

Though I'm not quite sure why I'm jumping into the middle of this argument. Though I guess I'll chip in some money.

I will say that other than the fact that my GCN is my pride and joy, since with the Game Boy Player, I own over 100 titles (Yes, some of them being ports, mostly games I MISSED) Nintendo didnt concentrate enough on their plan to make the Gamecube successful. Donlkey Kong Jumgle Beat probably gave me a different look on developing video games; sometimes the small development times can prove to be the most worthwhile, be inventive and interesting at the same time. I just wish Nintendo put out mor eof these kinds of things at the start of the system's life span. (And maybe at some reduced prices)

Of course I'm probably surrounded by anal retenative nerds who dont look at these things from a profitable point of view. Everyone has different tastes in video games. Deal with the fact that people go buy the Mario Party games and it sells about half a million. Deal with the fact that they make ports at high prices because simply emulating them or porting them means cheap money, the GBA Mario games took work to get on the GBA. They didnt plop all the assets into one big machine and press "Port from SNES to GBA" button. Also, these new 3D games take a lot longer to pull off than back in the N64 days. Theres more attention to graphic detail and gameplay than you might think. They're all done from a number of seprate teams or even companies outside of Nintendo.

I'm probably going to get whined at with factless opinions because people are tired of the lack of games coming out for GCN. Guess what? I own an XBox and about 13 games for it, and I'm still playing my GCN for some odd reason.

Well, odd according to you folks, but hey.I don't mind that you jumped in the middle of the argument, but what really pisses me off is you start calling people names and act like your above everyone. And by the way, you said you own all this video game stuff and have the guall to people nerds ? I never had that many video games in my life because I ACTUALLY HAVE OTHER INTEREST!

[Noukon]

so you admit that if they took there time , it whould have been a better game ?
Not only do I admit it, it was the entire point of what I said, and I made that blatantly clear.

All these new Mario Parties sucked(the only good one was the first one) and the new Mario Tennis wasn't that good either, the new features they put in that game aren't fun at all, there annoying and useless.
You're applying your personal opinion as fact. Don't do that. Nobody will listen to you. (Also, the word "sucked" is tactless, and without any real meaning.)

That press was the promotion of the game,not the quality of the game.
I was referring directly to game reviews (which is the primary "press" any game receives; promotions are not "press"). Super Mario Sunshine has a 91% average on GameRankings.

Iam not making any random prediction.The Mario Platformers will sell , look at Super Mario 64 DS, don't tell me that was a sales disappointment, it been the best selling game for the DS.
It was also the only game with genuine mass appeal that was released within the DS' launch window. There are a large number of factors that contribute to a game's sales.

Thats because Smash Bros. was a launch title, of course they whould take there time to make it perfect.
Smash Bros. was also rushed out the door (and was not a launch title, I might add).

Thats a pathetic excuse, they're was only ONE real Zelda game and two Pikmin games, try again.
Among others, I said. Please read an entire statement before arguing with it; you'll look less foolish.

How do you know that ?
Because I've been following developer interviews for years and years?

Like I said , if they take the time to actually work on the games they whould sell. They didn't simply port Super Martio 64 to the DS, they added a ton of new features.
You do realize that you're essentially arguing with yourself, right?

"They should release more games" and "They should take more time to work on them" are exclusive statements.

[Style]

I find this thread kind of oddly timed, in comparison to things in my life. Because, you see, not only have I been playing and enjoying cube again recently after a long dormancy, but virtually everyone I know is embracing gamecube for the first time, and in some cases rejecting the other two systems.


My Brother's friend: A PS2 guy this whole generation, just bought a cube for the Smash Brothers bundle, and is anticipating the new Zelda.

My Brother, having been an X-Box guy, energized by the fun he's seen his friend have, is getting a gamecube of his own as well, (despite having access to mine.)

Guy I was talking to at Gamestop today: Said he sold off both his PS2 and X-box and now only has cube, because, "It's all he's interested in playing this holiday season." (But he does plan to get an X-Box 360 once it's released.)

Look, I'm not trying to be a Gamecube apologist, but this thread runs contrary to my recent personal experience, which suggests an almost Gamecube revolution amongst PS2 and X-Box supporters.

[Mr.E]

Not only do I admit it, it was the entire point of what I said, and I made that blatantly clear.
All right then.

You're applying your personal opinion as fact. Don't do that. Nobody will listen to you.

And didn't you do the same thing when you said that the games were good ?


[QUOTE](Also, the word "sucked" is tactless, and without any real meaning.)
And you never used the word yourself ? Don't lecture me on my vocabulary.

I was referring directly to game reviews (which is the primary "press" any game receives; promotions are not "press"). Super Mario Sunshine has a 91% average on GameRankings.
Yeah, because it was alot like Super Mario 64 and it simultaneously hurt the game.


It was also the only game with genuine mass appeal that was released within the DS' launch window. There are a large number of factors that contribute to a game's sales.
But didn't it show that a good Mario Platformer sells ?


Smash Bros. was also rushed out the door (and was not a launch title, I might add).
how was it rushed ?

Among others, I said. Please read an entire statement before arguing with it; you'll look less foolish.
What others and I don't need the smart a** comments.


Because I've been following developer interviews for years and years?
So what, a game can be developed for years and it still whould be terrible, not saying it will be, but the point is, you never know.


You do realize that you're essentially arguing with yourself, right?

"They should release more games" and "They should take more time to work on them" are exclusive statements.
When did I say they should release mroe games ?

[The Falcon]

this thread involves too many different small flame wars that i'm shutting it down. please, guys, don't ruin what could be intellegent conversation with crude remarks and unjust assumptions

thread closed