TZ Politics Board Thread

[TimTwoFace]

In an effort to clean up the boards from the cluttering ads for the TZ Politics Board, we've decided to put all announcements and such under this thread.

Any further announcements and advertisements are to be made here. Enjoy!

FORUM LINK: http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/

-Tim

[Stewie]

This should make oldtoonguy happy.

[Natey]

Discuss here if going into Iraq was a good idea http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?board=defend&action=display&num=1121291404&start=0

i must be the only republican/conservative there that posts there!!!! I need some fellow brothers!

~Nate~

[mookie75]

Discuss here if going into Iraq was a good idea http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?board=defend&action=display&num=1121291404&start=0

i must be the only republican/conservative there that posts there!!!! I need some fellow brothers!

~Nate~
Perhaps I'll come and help out in the future brother. For the moment though, I've given up debating politics on internet message boards. It only leads to me beating my head against the wall here (ok....maybe not....but I'd LIKE to some days...) :sweat:

[Artimus Gigan]

Discuss here if going into Iraq was a good idea http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?board=defend&action=display&num=1121291404&start=0

i must be the only republican/conservative there that posts there!!!! I need some fellow brothers!

~Nate~
I think republicans are just less prone to voicing their political views than the other groups...

it's more or less a quiet stealthy movement...

[Michael24]

Discuss here if going into Iraq was a good idea http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?board=defend&action=display&num=1121291404&start=0

i must be the only republican/conservative there that posts there!!!! I need some fellow brothers!

~Nate~
Nah, you're not the only one, I just try to stay out of political discussion, especially on message boards, mostly for the same reason as mookie75. :D

[One Radical Dude]

You're not alone, CCF. I may post over there at some point, but for now, I don't need any more stress than I do now. :p

[TrogdorNyimbhat]

i must be the only republican/conservative there that posts there!!!! I need some fellow brothers!

~Nate~ I am a MOR (middle of the road) republican. Sometimes I don't agree with all republicans, but am definitely not a democrat.

[Stewie]

Einbebop isn't a Republican, but he's definitely conservative.

Don't say, "And that's just as bad." Don't say, "And that's just as bad." Don't say, "And that's just as bad."

[The Wolverine]

I joined... but I don't feel much like debating politics right now.

Debating religion is enough.

[The Wolverine]

I doubt that religion will be allowed much longer..I saw too much ugliness there...Wrong information, name calling, hasty generalization, lies, uproar, scapegoating,,,,,,,, etc...

I meant on other boards I go to. Things tend to get ugly, no matter what it is.

[Zach Logan]

Excellent, my poltical views will be known to all! Excellent.

[Natey]

soon someones going to make a TZ religion group.........

~Nate~

[EinBebop]

Einbebop isn't a Republican, but he's definitely conservative.

Don't say, "And that's just as bad." Don't say, "And that's just as bad." Don't say, "And that's just as bad." It's probably worse. :D

[sun]

What is do you mean by "worse"

[Stewie]

What is do you mean by "worse"He means being a conservative is worse than being a Republican.

I don't know. Republicans actually win elections though, which I don't like. You "real" conservatives are like the libertarians. Just crazy enough to keep yourselves out of office. And thus, harmless. But this is all grossly inappropriate.

[SSJPabs]

Sign up and become a member. See our important thread..Join in the discussion on the Iraq War, raising troop levels, stated an hour and a half ago, and if and when we should get out, or stay the mission...Stuart..."foreign affairs", when or if we should get out of Iraq?..................................http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/Hey, SSJPabs here who I guess founded the board. Um, my computer has been broken so that's why I've not been around. Hopefully I can get that rectified in a week, but I think it's the mother board (arrrr won't even boot up anymore but the error beep code makes me wonder) so there you have it.

[Stewie]

We miss you. Come home.

[and2]

I don't like getting into political arguments anymore because afer the first 10 or so posts they degenerate into "omg bush suxxxxx" "liberuls r stoopid"

[Stewie]

So far our board hasn't been like that.

[EinBebop]

So far our board hasn't been like that.Yeah, we're good for at least 20. :p

[Stewie]

20, 22. It varies.

[sun]

Mostly it is intellectual discussions on possible outcomes, and opinons on what are best options, quotes from fairly reputable sources.few jokes, .You got to look it over to see what kind of comments are being made..Just hit the link at the bottom of this post, check it out....
...Very little flame or insults, disagreements are very civil...I would say were good for least 30:)

[sun]

It is a Sci Fi classic book published in l974 by Robert Hineman, about a war that never ends...Taking place in the future, we follow our heros in a space craft fight with other craft from another group in a time dimension...
...Causes for the war, are lost, changed, forgotten, the fighting continues on and on, no one ages, different enemies appear, but the fight goes on..
....It is about 275 pages, considered by some to be one of the best ever written on the human condition of fighting long never ending wars.....Stuart...sorry about double posting, but my guess is that few know the reference...there is much more in sci fi literature on this classic book.
....Or better yet..read it yourself, it is available at any library, probably mulitiple copies...you probably will not have to wait to get it, or put a reserve on it...

[Gatomon41]

It is a Sci Fi classic book published in l974 by Robert Hineman, about a war that never ends...Taking place in the future, we follow our heros in a space craft fight with other craft from another group in a time dimension.....
Actually, it was Joe Hadleman who wrote The Forever War.

The book, BTW, is about soldiers who go to war with an alien race. But because of time dialation, centuries past while to soldiers only experience months. The world they return to is compeltly different from the one they left.

Hadleman probably wrtoe the book to express the feelings he felt after fighting in Vietnam.

[sun]

Gatomon41, I am sorry I got the author wrong.. I stand corrected, you are right, it was Joe Hadleman, not Robert Hineman who wrote the Forever War.......Oh well:o Stuart

[Stewie]

Fone, I sympathize, but let's not have our problems at that board spill onto this one.

[Harley]

Fone,
Don't carry it out to this forum. That's why I specifically asked that people PM SSJPabs and I with feedback.

http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=1814378&postcount=10

thx

[Stewie]

I just don't think bringing our personal differences here will help. And I think that was part of the point of starting that board. Take away some of the heat.

EDIT: Well, there you go then.

[Fone Bone]

I've deleted those messages and PMed Harley. I still feel like crap, but you both are right that that shouldn't spill over here.

[Stewie]

I've deleted those messages and PMed Harley. I still feel like crap, but you both are right that that shouldn't spill over here.No need to feel like crap. You had a perfectly natural reaction, just one that I felt was misplaced. And Harley agreed, and that's what really counts.
The problem though, is that my posts now seem out of place. You've made me look bad. frown.

People should say I'm right more often. It makes us all feel better.

[Fone Bone]

No need to feel like crap. You had a perfectly natural reaction, just one that I felt was misplaced. And Harley agreed, and that's what really counts. That IS good.
The problem thought, is that my posts now seem out of place. You've made me look bad. frown. Sorry. If I had kept them there it just would have escalated.

People should say I'm right more often. It makes us all feel better.This I can agree with.:)

[Stewie]

Sorry. If I had kept them there it just would have escalated.Well, you did attract some attention. A minute ago, the board had six guests. Most I've ever seen.

This I can agree with.:)Two down, six billion to go.

[Natey]

havent been on lately. sorry guys. i havent got all my news info due to school at being addicted to sports:eek: I guess i have just been lurking mostly.

[Deadman]

alrigt guys, i just joined the polotics board. im not too huge on politics, but i like to discuss it sometimes.

[sun]

Discussion is welcome on todays events in politics and government, local,state,national, and international.. .You are more then welcome to comment on any current political events, please keep the discussions civil and non flame, ... Hope everyone is well ..........Stuart

[sun]

ALXToonboy (http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&username=ALXToonboy) has joined the Board and brought up some real great comments...Won't you join too? Your ideas are always appreciated and we need input and new and diverse ideas...thank you .........Stuart

[sun]

The latest topic is "Smoking in Films." Atempts are being made to control smoking protrayed in movies....All are welcomed to discuss this.

[Agent S7]

ALXToonboy (http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&username=ALXToonboy) has joined the Board and brought up some real great comments...Won't you join too? Your ideas are always appreciated and we need input and new and diverse ideas...thank you .........Stuart


Seriously! We need more people here! There are tons of members who enjoy talking about politics on TZ (Even when they aren't allowed!) but won't talk on a board made just for it!? C'mon! The only reason the board is cold is because we need new blood! Pretty please? :p

~s7

[Alex Toon]

ALXToonboy (http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&username=ALXToonboy) has joined the Board and brought up some real great comments...Won't you join too? Your ideas are always appreciated and we need input and new and diverse ideas...thank you .........Stuart

Thank you for that mention.:) Maybe we should provide a direct link in the main Cafe TZ forum?

[tucsoncoyote]

Here's a question for the folks here on this thread.. Where does NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration) Material Go? (I was planning to start a thread on today's (July 4th's) STS-121 Launch and if it were to go to the Politics board, I feel it would go under "Domestic News" (But this is space Exploration and Maybe a little politics..

So where would something like this go? Here on TZ.net? Or on the Politics board..(I'm flexible either way...)

:coyote:

[Aquadementia]

Here's a question for the folks here on this thread.. Where does NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration) Material Go? (I was planning to start a thread on today's (July 4th's) STS-121 Launch and if it were to go to the Politics board, I feel it would go under "Domestic News" (But this is space Exploration and Maybe a little politics..

So where would something like this go? Here on TZ.net? Or on the Politics board..(I'm flexible either way...)

:coyote:
I was kind of hoping you would start one here.
I don't think there's any reason we can't talk about NASA policy and all that without getting partisan and inflammatory, is there?

[Dark Soul]

For me politics get my blood boiling usually it ends getting ugly. I'm not one to be getting involved with this type of stuff. But I will make it known I am a republican so if anyone wants to know or asks.

[SilentBat18]

HA, we'll see how long that will last before israel once again decides to declare war on lebanon once more.... i wouldnt be surprised if another one breaks out in less than a decade.... still peace right now is wat we really need....

[cheeno]

ughh! Why does America always have interfere in other countries' matters?Right now its taking Israeil's side against Lebanon.:sad: And no offence.

[cheeno]

oh now I get it. I've PM u oldtoonguy, saying, I did not understood your message but now I do. And I dont mind it. My post can ramain the way as it is.^_^

[SilentBat18]

i dont mind either, this should be an interesting discussion then since im really passionate bout whats going on ;)

[sun]

Please read this article about needless death in a continent far away.
..No one seems to care. It is not about Iraq, but a group of people who are described as "disposable". Your comments are most appreciated. Yes, it is worth the five minutes it takes to read. You will probably need some time afterwards to reflect upon life, as I did...

[Scorpio_G]

You did you guys see the Bill Clinton interview on Fox News yet? It's uhh stirring up an interesting conversation amoung forums and bloggs. :)

[sun]

Envy has brought back the discussion on "Was going into Iraq a good idea"
All are welcome to joing the discussion.. Joining is easy, and we welcome new points of view and new threads..thanks.
..I think I will respond to his point now...

[Gatomon41]

Hey, the Cafe is Apolitical after the "Great Debacle". They need to close this thread fast.

[William C. Maune]

Hey, the Cafe is Apolitical after the "Great Debacle". They need to close this thread fast.

This thread links to where the political discussions were moved to and it was stickied by the Moderators.

[Gatomon41]

This thread links to where the political discussions were moved to and it was stickied by the Moderators.

Sorry about that. Got up too early in the morning, and was preety confused. :sad:

[Mr. Pedro]

For what it's worth, I just signed on.

I currently have a few ideas for topics simmering in my head right now. Figured I'd air out some of them.

[sun]

For what it's worth, I just signed on.

I currently have a few ideas for topics simmering in my head right now. Figured I'd air out some of them.
Those of us who look at the TZ Politics Board, we welcome Mr Pedro to the board..
..He has posted three new topics of interest,,you can link to them below..l) a Congressional race where a letter of some question was put out to disgrace an opponent..2) the question as to whether or not this Congress is the worst ever from an article in Rolling Stone..Links are provided, 3) rate your Congresman/women..Do you know who he/she is and how he/she stands on the issues?
..Of course, all are welcome to join the debate, as the election approaches..
Responces have been posted to these topics..Please add your point of view if you wish. Thank you for reading this.........................sun

[The animaniac]

Discuss here if going into Iraq was a good idea http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?board=defend&action=display&num=1121291404&start=0

i must be the only republican/conservative there that posts there!!!! I need some fellow brothers!

~Nate~

Count me as yet another conservative republican who posts here. You're far from alone dude :D

[sun]

The biggest most important news story of the year is now posted at the TZ Politics Board..........Hit the link below to know what it is..Since it is political, and comments have been made about the politics of the story.....it may not be allowed here..Please read it if you have time..It is extremely important..........thank you

[Kagetsu]

The biggest most important news story of the year is now posted at the TZ Politics Board..........Hit the link below to know what it is..Since it is political, and comments have been made about the politics of the story.....it may not be allowed here..Please read it if you have time..It is extremely important..........thank you

I've not looked in for awhile as I thought everything had gone dead. Ill give a browse in a little bit.

[sun]

Discuss the horrific kidnapping and abuction of 150 people in Iraq today at the TZ Politics Board. 11/14/06 ....Tuesday...
..All are welcome, all points of view (without flame) will be listened to.
..This sad story needs discussion...Thank You...............sun

[sun]

A Christmas Post has been added...take a look...sun---it is very sad, but it is truth...from YouTube..... here is a link so that you can get there without any trouble... FORUM LINK: http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/...thank you...

p.s. performance takes just.. 2 minutes one second.. ..

[sun]

Breaking News....1/04/04...11:30am Eastern time....

President Bush it has been discovered, now claims the power to open up and read your mail without your knowledge or orders from a judge as stated in the Constitution's.... "Bill of Rights"..........
..The New York Daily News has discovered that he added this on to a law without the consent of Congress and changed the meaning of the law...

...If you would like to discuss this new move by the President...(likely to be very heated)...go to TZ Politics Board to state your opinion...thank you..sun

http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/.

[sun]

The question of the huge Iraqi civilian deaths in 2006 is now being discussed at the politics board....................1/16/07
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http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/.

[The Avatar]

EDIT: Okay, I think the experiment has become complete. I think that we should integrate it into the boards. We've proven that we can discuss politics seriously and civilly. Plus, I think the reason this has so little posters is because not many casual posters want to go to a different board to discuss politics. If we integrate it into the boards, I think the topic could become more popular. I never understood the ban on politics in the Cafe. No offence to anyone, but I think its too restrictive, especially when threads covering major events get closed because of it. The "Saddam Hussein Execution" thread is an example, and I have a feeling the Boris Yeltsin board may be closed too.

[EinBebop]

One problem is that it loses casual posters. For example, I don't follow comic books much lately, but I do check in with that forum from time-to-time. If they were to make it a separate website? Never see me again...

[James]

There have been instances when politics has snuck back in to the Cafe, and when it does, it STILL gets nasty. I don't think we're all in a position to take politics civilly, or whether on a Toon Board where people come to relax and hang, whether it really has any real necessity at all. It's too close to people's hearts, and from what I read, given how split your country is between the two current political ideologies, and how current political trends really do test those ideologies to their limit (thanks to current climates), it's unsurprising that politics would still be such a hot potato.

[Stewie]

I think that board is proof that we can't do politics. It never got vicious and rude in the way things do here (except for a few exceptions), but rather it fizzled out. It was boring.
Oh, and whatever happened to SSJPabs?

[EinBebop]

It's too close to people's hearts, and from what I read, given how split your country is between the two current political ideologies, and how current political trends really do test those ideologies to their limit...I see your point. I made a tongue-in-cheek, neutral comment about the difference between Republican censorship and Democrat censorship in a forum the other day, and someone felt the need to set me straight about their party's ideology. :/

[The Avatar]

Actually, I think we should make it into a seperate board. The points made my James make valid sense, but if we make a board where people could discuss politics and nothing else, I think it could work. Of course, we'd have to put some restrictions on the page, like, of course, no personal attacks whatsoever. It should be a civilized debate page. Also, we'd need to make sure that the mods would be politically neutral in enforcing the rules.

[James]

Actually, I think we should make it into a seperate board. The points made my James make valid sense, but if we make a board where people could discuss politics and nothing else, I think it could work. Of course, we'd have to put some restrictions on the page, like, of course, no personal attacks whatsoever. It should be a civilized debate page. Also, we'd need to make sure that the mods would be politically neutral in enforcing the rules.

The external board did try that, but on its own, it didn't draw interest, and for those have spent waaay too much time here will know, no matter how hard we all try to keep the topics civil, the become circular in debate - given no one is going to shift their opinion - and go round and round until all the civility begins to strip.

One of the main reason the ban occurred was simply because the Cafe just became a place no one wanted to venture into. It was no longer a place to kick back, it was tense, with mods having to constantly watch threads which people were pretty antagonistic or frustrated. A board of pure politics really has nothing about us as a community, or cartoons, so would really be redundant.

I'll make an honest example. When the politic debates ensued, I found certain member's standpoint - which was pretty much a mirror of my own - incredibly frustrating. To my horror, I found the mirror standpoints politically drove a wedge in how I perceived them as people.

Since we avoid political and - as much as the board can - religion entanglements, I find it quite astonishing how much political standpoints actually tainted my enjoyment of other posters. I don't like that. :) I think if such ideological debates don't offer anything positive to our communities. They don't educate, they don't bring people closer, they just exemplify our differences.

In this climate, I find people I enjoy the forum presence of people I found very frustrating in ideological standoffs. I won't name any of those people, but I will readily admit that the politics really cultured my failings to distinguish between ideologies and community spirit.

We don't need politics, it's just real life tribal detail which debate here won't change and doesn't help bond us as people, but separates us into different camps.

[sun]

from sun/oldtoonguy:

As one who tried to make political discussions work, and tried to keep them from getting out of hand, and has watched them for a very long time..I would say this..

...1. In order for them to work you need a very high level of maturity..Civil discourse must be kept that way..sadly, the level of maturity here, does not permit that. It is extremely difficult, even at message boards dedicated to that purpose, with highly educated adults..forget it here.
...2. The moderators close the discussions too soon.. I could point to some that were going fine, but were closed down for no reason....
...3. You could do it at a board that stands alone, to the side, but who is going to moderate..As Stewie said, SSJPabs bailed out pretty soon..there was no one there...well it didn't matter..No one cared, and I am afraid that I tried too hard, my point of view was not one that people wanted to read..
...4. If you keep it in the cafe, while it may be educational, it will probably be very hard to manage..And, James has a point, It doesn't have much to do with toons...But that thread about contraception last month, really was political.. and that one went reasonably well.......
...5 The polarized nature of our body politic here in the U.S.A. is clearly divisive and difficult to manage.. While I could spend a month on why that exists, James is right, it does. It will not go away.
.Sadly, this aspect of the body politic, (refected in discussion here) would indeed take away from Toonzone in the long run.
...I would like to see political discussions, but only if they will be civil, which is not going to happen. so leave things the way they are...........
............................................ its...been fun.,,see you around... ...................sun/oldtoonguy

[Rolling Cloud]

This thread needs to be brought back to life. =P

[J'onn J'onzz]

I think that board is proof that we can't do politics. It never got vicious and rude in the way things do here (except for a few exceptions), but rather it fizzled out. It was boring.
Oh, and whatever happened to SSJPabs?
Well, he's back now... maybe the board will be revived too. I just signed up there.

[Don_East]

This thread needs to be brought back to life. =P
Okay, here's a some thoughts on my mind.

Which is worse, Rush Limbaugh calling Jesse Macbeth and people like him as fake soldiers that or Brian De Palma making a smear film that calls our men in uniform are criminal, murdering, rapists just because of one incident?
Jimmy Carter is only speaking out against Bush because he doesn't want to be called the worst President in American history. Not gonna happen.
Sean Penn is a Commie red-blooded traitor as is Jane Fonda. Freedom of speech is one thing, but giving comfort to our enemies is an other. Kick them both out of here.
George W. Bush lost me as a leader, him supporting a murder makes me lose a interest. But impeaching him would be stupid idea, he only has a year & a half left.
Keith Olbermann is a world class buffoon.
John Edwards is a racist, no two ways about.
Liberals only want the Fairness Doctrine to come back because Air America failed, as did Jim Hightower & Mario Cuomo.
Hilary Clinton will only win in 2008 if the threat of Christians running a third party candidate is true. That's how her husband won the first time.
I'm not know what is God's views on homosexuality, but homosexuals dressed as nuns & mocking Christian values because they disagree are digging a hole. Whether they started it or are just made it deeper.
I want to hear more news that don't involve any modern celebrity.I'm ready to hear what you say.

[sun]

Okay, here's a some thoughts on my mind.Which
is worse, Rush Limbaugh calling Jesse Macbeth and people like him as fake soldiers that or Brian De Palma making a smear film that calls our men in uniform are criminal, murdering, rapists just because of one incident?
Jimmy Carter is only speaking out against Bush because he doesn't want to be called the worst President in American history. Not gonna happen.
Sean Penn is a Commie red-blooded traitor as is Jane Fonda. Freedom of speech is one thing, but giving comfort to our enemies is an other. Kick them both out of here.
George W. Bush lost me as a leader, him supporting a murder makes me lose a interest. But impeaching him would be stupid idea, he only has a year & a half left.
Keith Olbermann is a world class buffoon.
John Edwards is a racist, no two ways about.
Liberals only want the Fairness Doctrine to come back because Air America failed, as did Jim Hightower & Mario Cuomo.
Hilary Clinton will only win in 2008 if the threat of Christians running a third party candidate is true. That's how her husband won the first time.
I'm not saw what is God's views on homosexuality, but homosexuals dressed as nuns & mocking Christian values because they disagree are digging a hole. Whether they started it or are just made it deeper.
I want to hear more news that don't involve any modern celebrity.I'm ready to hear what you say.


You wanna talk politics over there.., we can try.
But I am not moderating no board....It is nasty. You can talk about what you want. I may respond. I may not.
.. But some discussions dissolve into nasty ugly namecalling. To discuss means to listen, not to yell. Especially when you don't agree with the other person's ideas. And especially when you strongly disagree with the other person's ideas. ........Think it over..................sun............

[Don_East]

You wanna talk politics over there.., we can try.
But I am not moderating no board....It is nasty. You can talk about what you want. I may respond. I may not.
.. But some discussions dissolve into nasty ugly namecalling. To discuss means to listen, not to yell. Especially when you don't agree with the other person's ideas. And especially when you strongly disagree with the other person's ideas. ........Think it over..................sun............

Most of my namecalling is backed though.

I'm saying that John Edwards is a racist because of this quote he said recently.

"We cannot build enough prisons to solve this problem. And the idea that we can keep incarcerating and keep incarcerating – pretty soon we're not going to have a young African-American male population in America, they're all going to be in prison or dead. One of the two."

That and he has ties to & benefitted from a company that forclosed mortgages on people who survived Hurricane Katrina.


Okay, the Olbermann comment was my personal opinion. I just feel he acts like that on Countdown, I do like his one minute bit on Sunday Night Football.

But come on, Sean Penn has shook hands with and praised Communist dictators and bashed America. He even got his facts wrong on what TV station Hugo Chavez forced to shut down. And then there's Fonda, she sided with the North Vietnamese government & called our soldiers war criminals during a time of war. I don't know about you, but to me, both of those acts are treachery.

[J'onn J'onzz]

Okay, here's a some thoughts on my mind. Which is worse, Rush Limbaugh calling Jesse Macbeth and people like him as fake soldiers that or Brian De Palma making a smear film that calls our men in uniform are criminal, murdering, rapists just because of one incident?Wait, so... this is "because of one incident", right? They raped, murdered, and committed criminal acts, but... they need to do it more than once ot be held accountable? Give them a second chance, even if they've done horrible things?

Jimmy Carter is only speaking out against Bush because he doesn't want to be called the worst President in American history. Not gonna happen. EVERYONE speaks out against Bush. Even YOU spoke out against Bush, and you were sure never a president.
Sean Penn is a Commie red-blooded traitor as is Jane Fonda. Freedom of speech is one thing, but giving comfort to our enemies is an other. Kick them both out of here. I notice the main defense people are giving against Rush Limbaugh is "freedom of speech", but when someone uses "freedom of speech" to voice views attempting to understand countries other than America, it's "treason" and they should be deported for this?
George W. Bush lost me as a leader, him supporting a murder makes me lose a interest. But impeaching him would be stupid idea, he only has a year & a half left.The Daily Show's tribute to "words like torture and progress losing their very meanings in the war on terror" parodying all the generic "soldiers are losing their lives every day in this war, respect them" speeches was hilarious. Why can't we make up our minds on what torture means? In my opinion, simulated drownings are pretty horrible.
Keith Olbermann is a world class buffoon.Don't watch his show much, so I wouldn't know.
John Edwards is a racist, no two ways about. Maybe he went a little overboard with that comment, but it definitely IS an issue. I sure wouldn't say ALL teenaged blacks will be in jail soon, but I'd say a large percent WILL be in jail. The current "rap thug ghetto druggie" clique really has to stop.
Liberals only want the Fairness Doctrine to come back because Air America failed, as did Jim Hightower & Mario Cuomo.Eh, I don't know... Something DOES need to be done about the lack of fairness on some channels (Fox News in particular) but I'm not sure if applying a fourty year old doctrine is the thing to do.
Hilary Clinton will only win in 2008 if the threat of Christians running a third party candidate is true. That's how her husband won the first time. Not a big fan of Hillary to be quite honest. I'm thinking Obama will win. And why would the Christians make a third party? The Republicans are all biblophiles, so it shouldn't be necessary to make another party which will just do the same thing.
I'm not saw what is God's views on homosexuality, but homosexuals dressed as nuns & mocking Christian values because they disagree are digging a hole. Whether they started it or are just made it deeper. ....Huh? "I'm not saw what is God's views on homosexuality"? What does "I'm not saw" mean? Also, what's up with this "gays dressed as nuns" stuff? You're sure they were joking, right, not just gays wanting to get jobs as nuns? Actually, I didn't even really need to ask that question. I can't see many gays wanting to preach a religion that preaches intolerance of their sexual preference. Of course they were mocking their opressors.
I want to hear more news that don't involve any modern celebrity.Okay, I'll agree on this. Get Paris Hilton and Britney Spears out of the media. I'm sick of them.

But come on, Sean Penn has shook hands with and praised Communist dictators and bashed America. He even got his facts wrong on what TV station Hugo Chavez forced to shut down. And then there's Fonda, she sided with the North Vietnamese government & called our soldiers war criminals during a time of war. I don't know about you, but to me, both of those acts are treachery.

VIETNAM? That was DOZENS of years ago. The MAJORITY of young Americans hated that war. It was CONSTANTLY being protested. I can't see throwing someone out of the country for disagreeing with the Vietnam war as being particularly sane. If we're going to throw people out for their opinions on Nam 35 years ago, you may as well throw out half the people over 50 years old.

As for Sean Penn... again, I don't think deporting people based on opinions in a country based on the liberty of free speech is a good thing. I don't really agree with him being so... pro-Iran, as I don't particularly want Iran to come bomb America or anything, but I don't think throwing him out of the country and saying "if you love Iran so much, go live there" is the right thing to do.

[Don_East]

"I'm not saw what is God's views on homosexuality"? What does "I'm not saw" mean?
***DOUBLES CHECKS POST***
Crap, I meant to type "know". I better edit that.

Also, what's up with this "gays dressed as nuns" stuff? You're sure they were joking, right, not just gays wanting to get jobs as nuns? Actually, I didn't even really need to ask that question. I can't see many gays wanting to preach a religion that preaches intolerance of their sexual preference.
No, I'm referring to a Gay Rights group in San Francisco that openly mocks Christians in their protests.

[sun]

Not here..over there.. at the TZ Politics Board...

...The idea of that board is that there would be a place to talk politics. Not in this thread. Over there, you can start your own thread. Own ideas, and own namecalling. Over here, what I see above... is not real discourse.
Not real discussion.. just arguement, and namecalling............

so....it is ok over there, not here.....especially what has been discussed in the few posts... above.

For if that is going to be accepted, then I have a few things to say about what has been said. And you do not want to hear from me...sun...

[murmur]

Why is it dead over at TZPolitics? There hasn't been a post since last year! It's interesting to read the old posts. Remember when we thought Guliani had a shot at the GOP and Obama was a distant second? It's as exciting as it ever was! Are we really just too obsessed with our distractions?

[The Guitar Slayer]

I think it's because we've allowed a small outlet on TZ for the elections. Granted, it has very specific rules, but it is something more than what the forum has had previously. That seems to be the dominating issue right now.

[Zeonic Freak]

Great, Hillary Clinton gets to come to my school tommorow:D at Wake Tech Community College. So i need to get up and get a space to park at, because i got a 9:30 am business class to get to, unless they cancel that.

Of course, i was on the news for a brief second (ill post that vid up later)...

[SSJPabs]

Back again, going to stay back this time in case anyone wants to try it again. Things were pretty touch and go for a while but I'm into my 3rd year of LS now, and that means 1) I am much better at being objective! and 2) more time on my hands!

[J'onn J'onzz]

Yeah, the politics board is incredibly dead. I'm glad that we can discuss the election on the main board at least, now, as that gets a decent amount of replies, even if the actual politics board doesn't.

[sun]

Have at it political fans.......

[J'onn J'onzz]

Is politics banned from the Cafe again? Zach's post closing the election day thread made me think it is. I guess we should try to revive this board.

[Old Guy]

So...it's official. Hillary Clinton is the new Secretary of State.

[sun]

Poverty...Hillary...what do you want to talk about???

http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/

[Radical Raven]

I think there are very few people on a forum dedicated to cartoons that want to talk politics. I know I don't, as I am very stupid on the subject, and my arguments tend to boil down to "Civilization needs to be wiped out, so that whatevers in charge can get a second chance."

How about a religion thread?

[J'onn J'onzz]

Well the election threads were pretty good this year and I was hooping that some of that would carry over to the TZ Politics board but sadly it's just me and sun on there now.

[sun]

I posted an article about President George Bush at the TZ Politics Board..

http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/

link above if you would like to discuss him and his Presidency. Bob Herbert of the New York Times wrote an article today about the last for years. I stated a comment at the end, do you agree or disagree? Perhaps someone might add a comment there. Happy New Year to all............sun.

[Kagetsu]

I'll try to find it.. I'm being shunted to the home page. And I think you are not Oldtoonguy, but I'm not sure. I've been away awhile. :sweat:

[The New Titans]

The Americans at least have a good left-wing president. Shame us Brits have to be stuck between a party that wants to restore Victorian values and ideals and forgetting about the little guy, and another party that's so soft they're a pillow and the leader cannot keep our money supply in check! Why can't the Lib Dems get into Parliament, they'd find the balance needed to run the country - yes, look out for the little guy, but keep the business in so those little guys actually have a job!

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system.

[sun]

I didn't participate in the elections thread because I was so angry at the past administration. Arguing about Bush, Palin and Mc Cain would have been a waste of time for me. But I will try one more post at that Politics Board.

http://tzpolitics.suddenlaunch3.com/

Let's call it. "When Politics means life or death. "

[Yash]

Gay marriage was legalized in Iowa today.

[honkycabbit]

As for politics, I'm an independent.

Both parties have done wrong and I'm plenty sick of it myself.:flapjack: