Talkback: Dragonball Z Uncut [6/20 - 6/23]

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Welcome to week two of Dragonball Z Uncut. These unedited versions of the series are now being shown weekdays. Even though many of you have seen DBZ many times, this threads is meant to give everyone a fresh look at the series as it was intended to be shown. Please keep it easy on major spoilers. Have fun! Thanks to TV.com for the episode descriptions.


Monday: Piccolo's Plan
The situation looks bleak for Goku and Piccolo, as Raditz easily deflects every attack they send his way. But Piccolo may have a way to stop the sinister Saiyan. He's perfected a powerful new attack the, Special Beam Cannon! There's only one problem. Piccolo needs time to gather the energy for the blast, which means Goku will have to last for five minutes against Raditz alone!

Tuesday: Gohan's Rage
As Goku takes blow after punishing blow from the evil Raditz, Gohan is able to watch no longer! The young boy's rage unlocks an awesome power sleeping within him, and he unleashes a mighty attack that not even Radtiz can resist! But as quickly as Gohan's power appears, it vanishes. And when Raditz prepares to strike back, Goku must make the ultimate sacrifice to save his son!

Wednesday: No Time Like the Present
With Raditz defeated and Goku gone from this world, the surviving Z-Fighters must begin preparing for the arrival of two more Saiyans who will reach Earth in one year's time. Piccolo takes Gohan into the wild for a severe training program, in the hope that his hidden power will be revealed. Meanwhile, Goku embarks on a new adventure in the next world, as he must travel the endless miles of Snake Way to receive training from the legendary King Kai!

Thursday: Day 1
Gohan begins his first day of Piccolo's training. Alone in the wilderness, he must quickly learn to take care of himself. But that isn't easy when he's tired, hungry - and being chased by hungry dinosaurs! If Gohan's first day is this dangerous, how will he ever survive for the second?

[Natey]

looks good like the last episodes. i just need to thank CN for this. dont we all.

~Nate~

[Red]

I added spoiler brackets as this is a continuative show, and the following synopsis after the first can be spoiling.

[Natey]

I added spoiler brackets as this is a continuative show, and the following synopsis after the first can be spoiling.
i was forced to look at the spoilers. man i wished i never looked at this thread. hopefully i forget all about it in 30 minutes.

now i want Yu YU hakusho uncut!

~Nate~

[Sanius]

Woo! DBZ Uncut! Can't wait for this episode. :)

[Fresh V]

Monday and Tuesday have the exact same episode description.

[Youko Recca]

now i want Yu YU hakusho uncut!Ha, you wish.

[shadowstrain]

A bit off topic, but does anyone think DBZ "jumped the shark" after the Freeza saga?

[G1Ravage]

This week and next week, and probably all weeks thus after will be good for DBZ Uncut. :)

Tune in!

[Pepperidge]

A bit off topic, but does anyone think DBZ "jumped the shark" after the Freeza saga?
Yes.

[G1Ravage]

Tonight's episode:

English - "Piccolo's Plan"

Japanese - "Piccolo's Trump Card! Gohan, the Little Crybaby"

[CyberCubed]

A bit off topic, but does anyone think DBZ "jumped the shark" after the Freeza saga?

Nope, considering I enjoyed the Cell and Buu saga far more than the Frieza saga.

[livingfruitvirus]

Japanese - "Piccolo's Trump Card! Gohan, the Little Crybaby" I hate Japanese titles.


For those of you keeping track of comparisons to the Saban timeline, we're about 1 episode and 18 minutes in to the Saban episodes. By the end of the night, about 2 episodes and 18 minutes in. Saban didn't do any cutting to tonight's episode except for 6 measly seconds.

[Mugen]

For some reason, I expect Raditz to say "Spirit Gun!":p

[G1Ravage]

Piccolo's attack:

English - Special Beam Cannon

Japanese - Makankosappo (Devil Beam Screw Cannon)

[creeper]

This dub is horrible. Couldn't they have actually spent time and written in the actual dialouge. I mean they went through all the trouble of redubbing why not just use the sub script....gosh..

Can anyone paste the sub script for this ep here?

[Jack Frenzy]

How odd. Piccolo said his attack would require five minutes prep time, but in real time it actually took less.

That's got to be a unique moment in DBZ history.

[Ishtar]

How odd. Piccolo said his attack would require five minutes prep time, but in real time it actually took less.

That's got to be a unique moment in DBZ history.Yeah! Like how Namek's destrucion was suppose to be in 5 minutes but it took more like 5 eps!

[livingfruitvirus]

I mean they went through all the trouble of redubbing why not just use the sub script....gosh..Because literal translation doesn't always mean it'll take the same amount of time to speak it in English as it does in its original language.

[Mugen]

GOHAN ANGRY!!!!!!!:mad:

[Rabi~en~Rose]

poor Goku his trusting always equals pain for him :( that plain ugly line against Piccolo is funny and makes up for it though!

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Yeah! Like how Namek's destrucion was suppose to be in 5 minutes but it took more like 5 eps!
It was more like 15 episodes if I remember.

[Ishtar]

It was more like 15 episodes if I remember.lol That's even worse! I just checked! It's actually 8 eps.

[A.Magik]

It's sad to note that this battle climaxes the period where Goku's priorities centered on Gohan. Four years were spent being his son's father. He's not fighting Raditz for a joyful romp of physical combat. He's there for his son's safety. Shortly afterwards, Goku would resume his power-building training, letting it supplant all other objectives, including his paternal duties. His son would now have to come in second, or third in his priorities.

Here's when Piccolo met Gohan.

Also, Gohan's 1st anger-power-boost, something of a character trait.

A.Magik

[G1Ravage]

Because literal translation doesn't always mean it'll take the same amount of time to speak it in English as it does in its original language.
But a line can be slightly reworked in order to fit the lip flaps. It doesn't have to be totally changed.

And believe it or not, the majority of lines in DBZ can be brought over with little problem matching the lip flaps. I've tried. It works.

[G1Ravage]

Also, Gohan's 1st anger-power-boost, something of a character trait.

A.Magik
Not if you count the two times he used his "power" in the first episode.

[Demonic Raven]

Finally DBZ picks it up. Lots of good fighting here. Not really much else to say.....good fightin'. 10/10

Next Episode: Gohan gets some of the spotlight. Huzzah!

[Ishtar]

Funi actualy did an error, if they are using the Budokai attack names. Based on the Budokai attack names,the attack Raditz said that he wanted to show Piccolo was a Saturday Crush. Double Sunday is actually the attack that caused Piccolo to lose his arm.

[Fresh V]

Wow..... I never thought 5 minutes could happen in even less than one episode of DBZ.

Yeah! Like how Namek's destrucion was suppose to be in 5 minutes but it took more like 5 eps! Shoulda been 5 hours....

[A.Magik]

Not if you count the two times he used his "power" in the first episode.
Canonically speaking. This scene, after all, was created and released to the public before the 1st DBZ episode was even on the drawing boards.

A.Magik

[Dark Fact]

Was Piccolo's blood actually red in this episode? :sweat:

[Ninja Murasaki]

Yep, the blood really was red.

Good episode. First time I've caught DBZ this month.

[creativerealms]

This episode is where that PG rating starts to come in handy. Dripping blood after Piccolo losses a arm.


Of course Blood is just an extra too me.

[Fresh V]

"H-He can go faster than the speed of light?!"

Ugh.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

I thought Piccolo had green blood.:confused:


Also was this the first time we really get to see goku fly?

[Warrior Kitana]

Tsk. Tsk. One again, Goku's trusting and rather naive nature gets the better of him. Did he honestly believe that Radditz meant all the things he said, when just a few seconds earlier nearly destroyed him with an explosion.

So Piccolo actually has red blood. Couldn't he just grow another arm back or something. I could've sworn he did something like that in the budokai tournament near the end of DB.

It's sad to note that this battle climaxes the period where Goku's priorities centered on Gohan. Four years were spent being his son's father. He's not fighting Raditz for a joyful romp of physical combat. He's there for his son's safety. Shortly afterwards, Goku would resume his power-building training, letting it supplant all other objectives, including his paternal duties. His son would now have to come in second, or third in his priorities.
I have to agree. It's amazing that his family doesn't have any resentments against him. Although Goku claims to fight for earth, his family, yada...yada, it's obvious that he gets a kick outta fighting. Goku doesn't mean to hurt his family, but he really does have his priorities mixed, partially due to his naivete and childhood (with growing up without a family and all).

[Dark Fact]

So Piccolo actually has red blood. Couldn't he just grow another arm back or something. I could've sworn he did something like that in the budokai tournament near the end of DB.
Patience...keep watching! ;)

I thought Piccolo had green blood. :confused:
Not in the original. The green blood was digital censorship.

"H-He can go faster than the speed of light?!"
You'd think that Raditz would be torn to pieces at that speed...:rolleyes2

[blue_blood]

I thought Piccolo had green blood.:confused:


Also was this the first time we really get to see goku fly?

that was the first time in DBZ but second time if you count DB

[Duke]

I thought Piccolo had green blood.:confused:In the original version, his blood is red here. Later, when Piccolo regenerates his arm he has a bunch of goop on his arm that looks like blood, but apparently isn't. It's green in both versions. Even later, in the Freeza Saga, Piccolo (like the rest of the Namekians) have purple blood, and stay that way until the end of the series.

Just one of the oddities that comes from colorizing a black & white comic book. Just wait until Vegeta shows up!

Also, I have to say, I am severely disappointed in Raditz's line after Goku fires his Kame Hame Ha. Raditz's "Brother! Let me show you how it's done!" line in the Saban dub was one of my favorite line reads in the entire show, and one I really like mimicing from time to time. But the new dub's version just isn't as special...

[Kazuya Prower]

The way Raditz said "Oh, excuse me, have any of you seen my arm? You can't miss it, it's green!" sounded horrible in the redub.

[livingfruitvirus]

Surprised they didnt changed Special Beam Cannon to its more current one. What a lame name.

[Sketch]

Cook missed the delivery on "Brother, let me show you how it's done". I always loved that delivery in the old dub.

Freak'n awesome episode.

HOORAY for TV-PG.

[G1Ravage]

Cook missed the delivery on "Brother, let me show you how it's done". I always loved that delivery in the old dub.
Cook missed WAY too many deliveries playing Raditz.

I firmly believe this dub was rushed by the director, and thus the acting is off at points, and most of the script is a carbon copy of the Ocean dub.

[Duke]

Surprised they didnt changed Special Beam Cannon to its more current one. What a lame name.o.O More current one? It was "Special Beam Cannon" in the Freeza & Cell Sagas too...

At least they didn't have Piccolo say the name with an echo like in the Saban dub.

One more thing: when Piccolo is about to fire it for the first time, I didn't like how he grunted so much instead of laughing like Scott McNeil did.

[creeper]

Cook missed WAY too many deliveries playing Raditz.

I firmly believe this dub was rushed by the director, and thus the acting is off at points, and most of the script is a carbon copy of the Ocean dub.
This whole things sounds beyond rushed. It seems like someone was taping during the read through. Some of them sounded like they didn't even try.

If Tien says "wait 'til it grows back," I am gonna give up on this dub.

[Mike JD Silva]

Well, color me impressed with the redub so far. Objectively speaking, it's not a bad dub at all. Not perfect mind you, but still not bad at all.

Spot checking with my tapes from '96, and foley work (grunts, sounds of pain, etc) is much better in the redub.

I firmly believe this dub was rushed by the director, and thus the acting is off at points, and most of the script is a carbon copy of the Ocean dub. A lot of it is similar, but hardly a carbon copy. Also, I honestly doubt they were watching the Ocean dub a deciding they had to do it nearly exactly as Ian and Scott and Jason did it. This is their own dub, and while we are comparing it to the old, they for the most part aren't, or rather, didn't.

Besides, if they wanted someone that sounded like Jason for Raditz, they would have used Eric Vale (remember his Rando voice in YYH? It was really like Jason's Raditz).

Justin's take on Raditz isn't bad at all, as they're apparently going for a calm, confident and deadly opponent. A lot of this is really good, only that Jason's far more villainous take really, really nailed those one liners. Where I think Justin falls flat in this episode is when Raditz's tail was being grabbed by Goku and he was pleading for his life. Justin, while still showing pain was still too calm while Jason's was really in pain while desparately pleading for Goku to let go. Still, I think the 'where's my arm' line was on par in it's own way. Also, Justin's scream of 'Double Sunday'(nonexistant in Ocean dub) before his tail was grabbed was great, as was his line of, "Time to DIE!!" ('Say GOODBYE' in the original).

And I just know I'm going to get a lot of crap for this, but I got to clearly side with Sabat rather than McNeil for this episode. I didn't think previously that Scott had this episode down pat, especially with some yells (my main gripes with Scott in this episode are his yelling for Goku not to be tricked by Raditz, as well as his reply to Goku about charging up again). Chris has come a long way, especially with working with grunting and yelling with Piccolo's voice, as it came off pretty damn well for the most part.

Sean is really starting to make me rethink my opinion of Ian being the best Goku. A lot of the speech and grunts and screams(especially when Raditz was crushing his ribs) were far better than Ian did at this point. When the redub of Movie 3 is done, were in for a rare opportunity of seeing Ian, Peter, and Sean voice Goku for the same movie.

And for some line comparisons.
Old dub:
Raditz: Tell me one thing gentlemen.... Which one of you will scream for mercy first? Go ahead green man, you'll just waste your energy again.

Piccolo: He's right. I tried this once before and it didn't have any effect. I'll think of something.

Raditz: Hahahahaha.... Don't give up so soon the fun is just beginning.

Goku: Hey your pretty confident, that's going to be your downfall.

Raditz: Don't worry, I'd be a lot more cautious if you weren't such a wimp little brother.

Piccolo: Some brother, I don't think your mom gave him enough spankings when he was a kid.

Goku: Yeah, the creep. You'd think he'd want to make up for lost time. He never even took me out to a ball game.

Raditz: Your right, I owe you, I'll make it up to you by teaching you how to fight......the hard way.

Goku: I'm ready for you but first tell me where you hid my son!

New dub-
Raditz: I'll tell you what? Since both of your power levels are more or less equal why don't we make a game of it? We'll call it, 'which one can last against me the longest'? The rules are simple: I cause you both a great deal of pain, and you writhe around in agony The loser is the first to beg for mercy.

Piccolo: That's it, I don't care how strong he is I'm not going to stand here and listen to this. I'd prefer to die!

Raditz: Hehahaahahahaha....Don't you worry about that green man we'll get to that in due time.

Goku: Hey, don't get ahead of yourself, you haven't beaten us yet.

Raditz: Trust me Kakarot I know an easy win when I see one, I'm a Saiyan. It's what I do.

Piccolo: C'mon Goku let's finish this guy. We'll charge him together!

Goku: Wait, not yet. Not until he tells us what he's done with Gohan. Now where is he? Where have you hidden him?

Raditz: Right, your little son. You think your going to save him? Now who's getting ahead of himself now?

Goku: This is the last time I'm going to ask you, WHERE - IS - MY - SON?!

Old dub-
Krillin: Wow, pretty neat huh? Where are we?

Bulma: Right now we're going through Spindal Top Flats. I sure hope Goku is doing all right, I have a bad feeling about this.

Roshi: Well at least we know with Piccolo his chances are as good as they can get.

Krillin: Well Bulma and I think it was a mistake to let Piccolo go with Goku because neither of us trust him, but I wasn't supposed ::Bulma glares:: to say...uh...

Roshi: Well Goku can't do it alone, we already know that right?

::Bulma and Krillin nod::

Roshi: So we might as well put our faith in Piccolo too. If they fail, thats it, its all over.

Krillin thinking: Good luck, Goku.

New dub-
Krillin: Uh, how we doing, Bulma? Are we getting close?

Bulma: I think so, but I need the Dragon Radar to know for sure. I just hope Goku's doing all right, I got a terrible feeling about all this.

Roshi: Well at least we know that with Piccolo his chances are as good as they can get.

Krillin: But the fact that he's with Piccolo is what worries me the most. I mean he's one of the bad guys. For all we know he's already teamed up with Raditz ::Bulma glares:: and blasted Goku, uh...

Roshi: Goku can't beat Raditz alone and I doubt any of us can be much help, ::Bulma and Krillin nod:: so we might as well put our faith in Piccolo! If he can't help Goku, or won't, than there's noone else who can.

Krillin thinking: Good luck Goku....
------------------

[A.Magik]

I have to agree. It's amazing that his family doesn't have any resentments against him. Although Goku claims to fight for earth, his family, yada...yada, it's obvious that he gets a kick outta fighting. Goku doesn't mean to hurt his family, but he really does have his priorities mixed, partially due to his naivete and childhood (with growing up without a family and all). Thank god for fanfictions! (especially mine)

I wonder if Akira Toriyama has any family issues that could have surfaced in his writings (like, say, neglecting his own children, and writing Goku's parental limitations as a way to justify it?). After all, didn't Hideako Anno base Shinji and Gendo's relationship after his own with his father?

A.Magik

[TheGLIVEN]

looks good like the last episodes. i just need to thank CN for this. dont we all.Yes, we do.

[jv2k]

Well, color me impressed with the redub so far. Objectively speaking, it's not a bad dub at all. Not perfect mind you, but still not bad at all.

Spot checking with my tapes from '96, and foley work (grunts, sounds of pain, etc) is much better in the redub.

A lot of it is similar, but hardly a carbon copy. Also, I honestly doubt they were watching the Ocean dub a deciding they had to do it nearly exactly as Ian and Scott and Jason did it. This is their own dub, and while we are comparing it to the old, they for the most part aren't, or rather, didn't.

Besides, if they wanted someone that sounded like Jason for Raditz, they would have used Eric Vale (remember his Rando voice in YYH? It was really like Jason's Raditz).

Justin's take on Raditz isn't bad at all, as they're apparently going for a calm, confident and deadly opponent. A lot of this is really good, only that Jason's far more villainous take really, really nailed those one liners. Where I think Justin falls flat in this episode is when Raditz's tail was being grabbed by Goku and he was pleading for his life. Justin, while still showing pain was still too calm while Jason's was really in pain while desparately pleading for Goku to let go. Still, I think the 'where's my arm' line was on par in it's own way. Also, Justin's scream of 'Double Sunday'(nonexistant in Ocean dub) before his tail was grabbed was great, as was his line of, "Time to DIE!!" ('Say GOODBYE' in the original).

And I just know I'm going to get a lot of crap for this, but I got to clearly side with Sabat rather than McNeil for this episode. I didn't think previously that Scott had this episode down pat, especially with some yells (my main gripes with Scott in this episode are his yelling for Goku not to be tricked by Raditz, as well as his reply to Goku about charging up again). Chris has come a long way, especially with working with grunting and yelling with Piccolo's voice, as it came off pretty damn well for the most part.

Sean is really starting to make me rethink my opinion of Ian being the best Goku. A lot of the speech and grunts and screams(especially when Raditz was crushing his ribs) were far better than Ian did at this point. When the redub of Movie 3 is done, were in for a rare opportunity of seeing Ian, Peter, and Sean voice Goku for the same movie.

And for some line comparisons.
Old dub:
Raditz: Tell me one thing gentlemen.... Which one of you will scream for mercy first? Go ahead green man, you'll just waste your energy again.

Piccolo: He's right. I tried this once before and it didn't have any effect. I'll think of something.

Raditz: Hahahahaha.... Don't give up so soon the fun is just beginning.

Goku: Hey your pretty confident, that's going to be your downfall.

Raditz: Don't worry, I'd be a lot more cautious if you weren't such a wimp little brother.

Piccolo: Some brother, I don't think your mom gave him enough spankings when he was a kid.

Goku: Yeah, the creep. You'd think he'd want to make up for lost time. He never even took me out to a ball game.

Raditz: Your right, I owe you, I'll make it up to you by teaching you how to fight......the hard way.

Goku: I'm ready for you but first tell me where you hid my son!

New dub-
Raditz: I'll tell you what? Since both of your power levels are more or less equal why don't we make a game of it? We'll call it, 'which one can last against me the longest'? The rules are simple: I cause you both a great deal of pain, and you writhe around in agony The loser is the first to beg for mercy.

Piccolo: That's it, I don't care how strong he is I'm not going to stand here and listen to this. I'd prefer to die!

Raditz: Hehahaahahahaha....Don't you worry about that green man we'll get to that in due time.

Goku: Hey, don't get ahead of yourself, you haven't beaten us yet.

Raditz: Trust me Kakarot I know an easy win when I see one, I'm a Saiyan. It's what I do.

Piccolo: C'mon Goku let's finish this guy. We'll charge him together!

Goku: Wait, not yet. Not until he tells us what he's done with Gohan. Now where is he? Where have you hidden him?

Raditz: Right, your little son. You think your going to save him? Now who's getting ahead of himself now?

Goku: This is the last time I'm going to ask you, WHERE - IS - MY - SON?!

Old dub-
Krillin: Wow, pretty neat huh? Where are we?

Bulma: Right now we're going through Spindal Top Flats. I sure hope Goku is doing all right, I have a bad feeling about this.

Roshi: Well at least we know with Piccolo his chances are as good as they can get.

Krillin: Well Bulma and I think it was a mistake to let Piccolo go with Goku because neither of us trust him, but I wasn't supposed ::Bulma glares:: to say...uh...

Roshi: Well Goku can't do it alone, we already know that right?

::Bulma and Krillin nod::

Roshi: So we might as well put our faith in Piccolo too. If they fail, thats it, its all over.

Krillin thinking: Good luck, Goku.

New dub-
Krillin: Uh, how we doing, Bulma? Are we getting close?

Bulma: I think so, but I need the Dragon Radar to know for sure. I just hope Goku's doing all right, I got a terrible feeling about all this.

Roshi: Well at least we know that with Piccolo his chances are as good as they can get.

Krillin: But the fact that he's with Piccolo is what worries me the most. I mean he's one of the bad guys. For all we know he's already teamed up with Raditz ::Bulma glares:: and blasted Goku, uh...

Roshi: Goku can't beat Raditz alone and I doubt any of us can be much help, ::Bulma and Krillin nod:: so we might as well put our faith in Piccolo! If he can't help Goku, or won't, than there's noone else who can.

Krillin thinking: Good luck Goku....
------------------ The new dub is different... guess the only reason it sounds so similar is its been a while since I last heard it. Anyway the new one seems better.
Anyone else liked picolo's green blood better? I dunno red blood just doesn't seem right on him.

[Youko Recca]

Surprised they didnt changed Special Beam Cannon to its more current one. What a lame name.
Special-special...beam-beam....cannon-cannon.......

[CyberCubed]

Surprised they didnt changed Special Beam Cannon to its more current one. What a lame name.

The Special Beam Cannon name was used in all the Budokai games in addition to the Season 3-6 dub.

FUNI isn't going to change the name of the characters and attacks and disrupt the continuity of their older dubs.

Just like they don't call Goku "Son Goku" in the redub, the name changes stay the same.

[Master Moron]

Man, I was kind of dissappointed in this episode. I mean, I absolutely loved the delivery of some of radditz's lines in the original. The "Uhhh...excuse me, has anyone seen my arm, you can't miss it, it's green!" line was one of the coolest lines in the Saban dub, but here...it kind of sucked. I also remember when Radditz saw Picollo's power and he said "I can't block that!" in the Saban dub he sounded absolutely terrified, in this one, he didn't seem to put much emotion into his lines at all. I'm really not liking Radditz's voice at all.

I also must comment on the scene at the end when Gohan jumps out of Radditz's space ship. In the original, there was silence as Radditz looked around for the source of the power level, then all of the sudden this almost terrifying music started playing as Gohan broke out of the space ship. It was awesome. Here, they just had some rather mundane music playing through the whole thing. They completely ruined the scene.

So, we don't have the music of the Japanese version, and we don't have the awesome performances of the Saban version. So, what do we have? Well...there's blood...

[CyberCubed]

So, we don't have the music of the Japanese version, and we don't have the awesome performances of the Saban version. So, what do we have? Well...there's blood...

We have good voices for all the characters so far except maybe Radditz. His voice is fine, but it needs better delivery. The rest of the characters such as Krillin, Bulma, Roshi etc. are perfect.

Not to mention having all the episodes Saban cut out and whatnot.

[G1Ravage]

We have good voices for all the characters so far except maybe Radditz. His voice is fine, but it needs better delivery. The rest of the characters such as Krillin, Bulma, Roshi etc. are perfect.

Not to mention having all the episodes Saban cut out and whatnot.
What makes Roshi perfect? He's far from perfect.

[Dark Fact]

Anyone else liked picolo's green blood better? I dunno red blood just doesn't seem right on him.
What difference does it make what color the blood is? It is still blood. Changing the color of blood was a pointless edit.

And seriously, what is all this talk about people here preferring the old Saban version? FUNimation finally gives an uncut version for us to see and everyone justs wants to complain? Why?

[killer2004]

I agree. People should stop complaining and be happy that CN is airing DBZ uncut and unedited.

[Dark Fact]

Raditz: I'll tell you what? Since both of your power levels are more or less equal why don't we make a game of it? We'll call it, 'which one can last against me the longest'? The rules are simple: I cause you both a great deal of pain, and you writhe around in agony The loser is the first to beg for mercy.
That's it! Now I HAVE to get this DVD as soon as I see it! Lines that good can't be ignored! :D

[livingfruitvirus]

And seriously, what is all this talk about people here preferring the old Saban version? FUNimation finally gives an uncut version for us to see and everyone justs wants to complain? Why?It's the internet.

[Duke]

And seriously, what is all this talk about people here preferring the old Saban version? FUNimation finally gives an uncut version for us to see and everyone justs wants to complain? Why?Whether it's uncut or not is not the issue. The voice acting is. Some people prefer hearing Ian Corlett & Scott McNeil say these lines instead of Sean Schemmel and Chris Sabat. And many people don't like Justin Cook's Raditz. It's as simple as that. It has nothing to do with whether it's "uncut" or not.

[Dark Fact]

So the dub isn't up to par. That's why we have the uncut DVDs. Watch the japanese and spanish version. They have the better performances.

Besides, the Ocean Group's performance wasn't 100% good either. There were times when the line deliveries weren't that good. Besides, after Ian Corlett abruptly quit playing Goku, his replacement voice wasn't that good either. Even Sean Schemmel sounded better than him.

[Mike JD Silva]

Thank god for fanfictions! (especially mine)

I wonder if Akira Toriyama has any family issues that could have surfaced in his writings (like, say, neglecting his own children, and writing Goku's parental limitations as a way to justify it?). After all, didn't Hideako Anno base Shinji and Gendo's relationship after his own with his father?
Actually Magik, this may be more of a Japanese culture issue. The end of DBZ and Goku's decision was a small article/blurb on planetnamek.com of years past, and the leading idea was that Goku very much represented the ideal Japanese man. As for Anno, well, Anno was kinda always messed up in some way....

I also remember when Radditz saw Picollo's power and he said "I can't block that!" in the Saban dub he sounded absolutely terrified, in this one, he didn't seem to put much emotion into his lines at all. I'm really not liking Radditz's voice at all.
Like I said, it's a different take on him, as they're not trying to mimic Jason's previous performance. I've given my thoughts in my previous post.

Here, they just had some rather mundane music playing through the whole thing. They completely ruined the scene.
Well, there's also the fact that here he breaks out and the episode ends, while in the original dub it continued on.

and we don't have the awesome performances of the Saban version.
The old dub is good, yes, but don't let that hinder your opinion as this, on it's own, is far from bad.

What makes Roshi perfect? He's far from perfect.
What do you dislike about him? Of the three(Ian Corlett, Peter Kelamis, Mike McFarland), he is the best.

And seriously, what is all this talk about people here preferring the old Saban version? FUNimation finally gives an uncut version for us to see and everyone justs wants to complain? Why?
What it is Dark is that we are in a rather unique situation. Y'see, many of us, myself included, got their first start on DBZ through the Saban dub many years ago. A lot of us can probably tell you stories of waking up at ungodly hour on a Saturday morning to watch/tape this. And despite the flack we got then from fans who preferred the Japanese originals, we enjoyed and were loyal to what we liked.

The redub in some ways is bringing back memories and feelings of when Season 3 appeared, and our favorite actors were replaced with a new, and admittingly at the time, not so sounding good cast. Except that this time, instead of a voice merely taking up and continuing the role of a character, the very episodes that we could always go back to with, and this is the very key point, fond memories, are themselves now being replaced for good.

Trying to look at it objectively, as I said earlier, the redub is far from bad, and to be honest, other than a few rough spots I think it's quite good. One thing I'm very happy about is that they're NOT trying to mimic any of the old performances, as we've seen how bad things can get when they do(season 3). On the other hand, while we've gotten used to Sean and Chris over the years and could somewhat predict them here, Justin was a surprise as Raditz, as you can see from the posts so far.

Also trying to look objectively at the old dub, it's still good, but at the same time it's far from perfect itself.

[killer2004]

I got what you're saying. Yeah, as much as I hated the edits in the first two seasons, the original voice actiors were good. It was the only thing I liked about the old dub.

[Duke]

So the dub isn't up to par. That's why we have the uncut DVDs. Watch the japanese and spanish version. They have the better performances.1) I do plan on buying the DVDs. I have been planning to ever since FUNi said they'd re-dub them (because the original Saiyan Saga boxset is really hard to find nowadays). 2) Except for Young Gohan and maybe Vegeta, I personally think most of the voice cast for the Japanese version is friggin horrible. 3) I don't know why, but I just cannot sit through any Spanish television show. 4) Just because CN is airing it uncut does not mean I don't have the right to disagree about how the voices are.

Besides, the Ocean Group's performance wasn't 100% good either. There were times when the line deliveries weren't that good. Besides, after Ian Corlett abruptly quit playing Goku, his replacement voice wasn't that good either. Even Sean Schemmel sounded better than him.Peter Kelamis sucked as Goku, I'll give you that, EXCEPT for episodes 52 & 53. I don't know what he did, but he suddenly had an awesome Goku voice that came close to topping Corlett. (I'll never forget his delivery of "I know the odds are against me, but if there's a way to win, I'm gonna find it!")

[CyberCubed]

What makes Roshi perfect? He's far from perfect.

What's wrong with him? His voice is excellent and varies between him being serious and perverted.

[Zero Kagayaki]

the dub sound funny to me....

[Dark Fact]

What it is Dark is that we are in a rather unique situation. Y'see, many of us, myself included, got their first start on DBZ through the Saban dub many years ago. A lot of us can probably tell you stories of waking up at ungodly hour on a Saturday morning to watch/tape this. And despite the flack we got then from fans who preferred the Japanese originals, we enjoyed and were loyal to what we liked.

The redub in some ways is bringing back memories and feelings of when Season 3 appeared, and our favorite actors were replaced with a new, and admittingly at the time, not so sounding good cast. Except that this time, instead of a voice merely taking up and continuing the role of a character, the very episodes that we could always go back to with, and this is the very key point, fond memories, are themselves now being replaced for good.

Trying to look at it objectively, as I said earlier, the redub is far from bad, and to be honest, other than a few rough spots I think it's quite good. One thing I'm very happy about is that they're NOT trying to mimic any of the old performances, as we've seen how bad things can get when they do(season 3). On the other hand, while we've gotten used to Sean and Chris over the years and could somewhat predict them here, Justin was a surprise as Raditz, as you can see from the posts so far.

Also trying to look objectively at the old dub, it's still good, but at the same time it's far from perfect itself.
I can see where you're getting but after listening to the Season 3+ performances, you would think the new voices would've fully grown on you by now. Yeah, the Ocean Group did do better in their deliveries but things have changed and now we'll just have to deal with FUNi's staff from here on. Justin Cook isn't all that great as Raditz. With the exception of a few key areas, he didn't sound like a cocky jerk like the old Saban version did played by Jason.

Peter Kelamis sucked as Goku, I'll give you that, EXCEPT for episodes 52 & 53. I don't know what he did, but he suddenly had an awesome Goku voice that came close to topping Corlett. (I'll never forget his delivery of "I know the odds are against me, but if there's a way to win, I'm gonna find it!")
Peter Kelamis sounded like a drunken version of Goku. His Roshi sounded like he swallowed a frog.

1) I do plan on buying the DVDs. I have been planning to ever since FUNi said they'd re-dub them (because the original Saiyan Saga boxset is really hard to find nowadays). 2) Except for Young Gohan and maybe Vegeta, I personally think most of the voice cast for the Japanese version is friggin horrible. 3) I don't know why, but I just cannot sit through any Spanish television show. 4) Just because CN is airing it uncut does not mean I don't have the right to disagree about how the voices are.

1) Good for you. To get the old Saban discs, one must have a personal love for the Ocean cast or just eager to add it to their personal rare collection.
2) Yeah, some of the voices in the japanese version aren't that good. Raditz sounds like an old man, Piccolo sounds like a nice professor, Goku sounds like a constipated girl, and Mr. Satan sounds too deep and deadly instead of a bumbling rough sounding idiot. Roshi and King Kai's voice were pretty good however, as well as Vegeta. The english and japanese are pretty much a mixed bag here.
3) Maybe it is because the actors talk too fast? You really ought to give it a try and listen closely. Some lines come off pretty good. Gohan refers to his Dragonball hat as a "sombrero"! Piccolo and Goku also call themselves the dos amigos! :D Raditz sounds like an evil businessman but his laugh is really good.
4) To each his own. There are some voices we can like and some we don't. I just don't want to hear people complain about the show being uncut when anime fans for YEARS have been whining and moaning about releasing the first two seasons uncut.

You know something? Had Viz gotten the video distribution rights to the entire Dragon Ball Z franchise, the Ocean cast would've been retained for all the episodes, considering Viz's relationship with the Ocean group.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Another episode tonight. The one that will be a true test.

I'd have to say that I like this new music better than the Saban music. I listened to a little of the old episodes yesterday, and it sounded like original Power Rangers music.

[Mike JD Silva]

I can see where you're getting but after listening to the Season 3+ performances, you would think the new voices would've fully grown on you by now. Yeah, the Ocean Group did do better in their deliveries but things have changed and now we'll just have to deal with FUNi's staff from here on. Justin Cook isn't all that great as Raditz. With the exception of a few key areas, he didn't sound like a cocky jerk like the old Saban version did played by Jason.
Dark, I said this is part of it, especially for those of us who woke up at 7 in the morning on Saturday to watch this. There's still a lot of loyalty, even after all this time.


And Dark, for the most part I've been greatly complementing the new dub, as well as Sean and Chris in my posts, if ya haven't noticed. ;)

[Dark Fact]

Murasaki, the reason why Dragon Ball Z's music is similar to Power Rangers is because Saban was responsible for both their production back then.

[Fresh V]

Just 2 more hours.... Everyone keeps saying this will be a really bloody episode or something. It looks like it will be a big achievement for CN if they leave this uncut. Just 2 more hours....

BUT

I had a dream (no, a nightmare!) that CN edited DBZ like heck tonight!:eek: It's only a dream... Right? Right?!

[shadowstrain]

I had a dream (no, a nightmare!) that CN edited DBZ like heck tonight!:eek: It's only a dream... Right? Right?!
Ha, let's hope it was only a dream, or else...

we'll send an execution squad to Atlanta Georgia to reason things out.:p

[Ninja Murasaki]

Murasaki, the reason why Dragon Ball Z's music is similar to Power Rangers is because Saban was responsible for both their production back then.I know. I was a fan of Power Rangers back then and have been a fan of DBZ for a few years. It's just that it gets to the point that DBZ seems like Power Rangers. They use the same intrament or something.

I think I like the new voicers too. The old one's have always seemed too awkard to me since I started with the Buu saga and then watched the Sayin and Freeza sagas. I'm also use to original Dragonball. I have the Saban one's on tape from when they aired on Toonami in 2002. I won't deny that Saban did a better job with how they delivered most of their lines.

[Ninja Murasaki]

I hope that was only a dream. This is going to be an exciting night.

I have a question. There was something on before DBZ last night that was TV-PG LV. What was that show? When I tuned in it was 1 minute before the start of DBZ and there was some weird Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi video thing on.

[Fresh V]

I have a question. There was something on before DBZ last night that was TV-PG LV. What was that show? When I tuned in it was 1 minute before the start of DBZ and there was some weird Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi video thing on. Antz

[Ishtar]

I don't see them editing any of the eps as of now. It's pretty clear that Funi sent them the Uncut masters, and I don't believe that Funi even made an edited version of Ultimate Uncut DBZ. Hopefully CN won't decide to go back on their promise by editing the later eps themselves just because the censors and soccer-moms complained.

[Youko Recca]

Why are we using spoiler boxes again?

[livingfruitvirus]

Of course, CN "may" risk getting a hefty fine from the FCC if they allow this scene in.
Oh God. :shrug:

[G1Ravage]

After Ian Corlett left the original DBZ dub, Don Brown took over as Roshi, not Peter Kelamis.

As for why I don't like Mike McFarland, you'd have to hear Roshi's Japanese voice to put your finger on it. Roshi's Japanese voice is actually an old man. McFarland is a young man trying to sound old and cartoony.

[G1Ravage]

Tonight's ep:

English - "Gohan's Rage"

Japanese - "Goku Dies! There's Only One Last Chance"

Tonight, we get to hear the crappy voices of Nappa and Vegeta. Enjoy.

[livingfruitvirus]

Well at 4 episodes in, we're 2 episodes 18 min into the Saban timeline. By the end of the night we'll be about 3 episodes and 15 minutes in to the Saban timeline.

[Mike JD Silva]

After Ian Corlett left the original DBZ dub, Don Brown took over as Roshi, not Peter Kelamis.

As for why I don't like Mike McFarland, you'd have to hear Roshi's Japanese voice to put your finger on it. Roshi's Japanese voice is actually an old man. McFarland is a young man trying to sound old and cartoony.
Weird, while I had no problems at all with Miyauchi Kouhei as Roshi, the performance always struck me as the stereotypical japanese old man.

[Ishtar]

They changed "So you're going down with the ship" to "So you're sacrificing yourself".

[G1Ravage]

YES!!!!!!!!!

[Youko Recca]

Bravo.

[Ishtar]

That Special Beam Cannon scene reminds me of The time Krillen is impaled by Frieza's horn!

[Majin_Megabyte]

Well they left it in. Inculding Goku, and Raditz puking up blood. I took some pictures of it, and it will be up online later.

[G1Ravage]

It's finally safe to say that the rest of this season should perfectly all right. :)

[Ishtar]

It's finally safe to say that the rest of this season should perfectly all right. :)I thought that after that little Baby Goku scene in episode 2.

[livingfruitvirus]

ah yes. no pupils. the trademark of any dead Toriyama character.


10:48 edit - anyone else find it odd to watch this episode of all episodes, and then have it packaged by these very upbeat, happy bumpers with people cheering and CN summer flowers?

[Ishtar]

10:48 edit - anyone else find it odd to watch this episode of all episodes, and then have it packaged by these very upbeat, happy bumpers with people cheering and CN summer flowers?yeah I also find it weird that CN hasn't been showing warning messages before each episode simmilar to those shown on Adult Swim..

[Youko Recca]

I liked how it felt Vegeta grew throughout the series. I've lost that. Oh well.

[Ikou]

The first time Goku Dies, How many times has he die in all of Dragon Ball?

[Timmay]

I can't stand Nappa's voice... I miss the old nappa :crying:

[Mike JD Silva]

The first time Goku Dies, How many times has he die in all of Dragon Ball?
Goku's only died twice in the entire series.

[Scirel]

Heh, that conversation near the end made me try to imagine a super saiyan nappa.

Anyone ever seen a fanart of what he would look like?

Or SSJ3 Raditz.:D

[Jack Frenzy]

Ah, goodbye to talk of "another dimension."

You won't be missed.

One complaint: Vegeta's voice sounds too close to his later appearances. I'd expect him to sound a little younger here.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Well, CN is making good on their promise. Hopefully this means good things for a certain other show...


What was Toei on when they decided to give Vegeta brown hair and green armor in that scene? Thank god they didn't stick with that.

[Timmay]

Heh, that conversation near the end made me try to imagine a super saiyan nappa.

Anyone ever seen a fanart of what he would look like?

Or SSJ3 Raditz.:D
Be more funny to see SSJ1 Raditz... all that hair standing up..

I think Nappa would just get the aura.. on account of the baldness

[Ikou]

Goku's only died twice in the entire series. For Real? Man, I alway feel like he died more times, probally because I havent see DBZ in a long time too.

[G1Ravage]

I can't stand Nappa's voice... I miss the old nappa :crying:
"New" Nappa is voiced by Phil Parsons. And really wreaks right now.

And what's up with Chris Sabat?? He made Vegeta sound like a freaking mob boss!! Remember when Brian Drummond first voiced Vegeta in that scene, and he also sounded weird? Makes me wonder how much the new actors were trying to copy the original actors.

[Scirel]

Well, CN is making good on their promise. Hopefully this means good things for a certain other show...


What was Toei on when they decided to give Vegeta brown hair and green armor in that scene? Thank god they didn't stick with that.I know they stay with the Brown hair for a couple more episodes. I think it gradually chaged to black.

Of course, those were the toei-added filler/plot hole eps about Vegeta and nappa breathign in space and blowing up a planet when they shouldn`t be that strong.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

For Real? Man, I alway feel like he died more times, probaly because I havent see DBZ in a long time too.
Nope, there's this time and when he sacrificed himself against Cell.

[Demonic Raven]

What was up with Vegeta? He looked like......Bizzaro Vegeta or something.

Anyway....even more props to CN. For them to leave in that level of blood, they are truly awesome.

The episode itself was good too. Gohan's sick attack and then the death of both Radditz and Goku were the highlights. I have to say I'm loving it. 10/10

[James Bester]

Yep, CN really meant it when they said "uncut". This was a decent episode. First appearance of Vegeta, and we finally end the Raditz part of the Saiyan Saga.

On another note, doesn't Vegeta look a lot smaller in the early episodes? It was great watching him giving orders to Nappa who's twice his size. 9/10 for this episode.

[livingfruitvirus]

Well, CN is making good on their promise. Hopefully this means good things for a certain other show...
Oh I see. You mean DICE.

What was Toei on when they decided to give Vegeta brown hair and green armor in that scene? Thank god they didn't stick with that.What I'd like to know is why Piccolo all of a sudden grows enraged when Radditz is laughing at him, raises his arm in the air, and proceeds to do nothing afterwards.

[CyberCubed]

Having only watched the Saban dubs of the Saiyan saga before hand, I have to say, FUNI's new dub completely blows it out of the water.

Goku's death scene was way too rushed in the old dub. The music and slower pace especially made it much more dramatic this time, which is a huge improvement. Nice to see the Special Beam Cannon actually going through the two of them.

Can anyone imagine what exactly Piccolo did to finish off Radditz?

Anyway despite knowing exactly what would happen in this episode after seeing the Saiyan saga many times in the old dub, watching this episode now really does feel like a completely new experience.

And yeah, Vegeta does look wierd with his orange armor and brown hair...the hell?

[Dark Fact]

Didn't realize my last post would be sensitive to the point where it got deleted. :shrug:

Anyways, with Cartoon Network leaving in the Makkenkousouppo scene, my respect for Cartoon Network just skyrocketed! :cool:

Vegeta has brown hair! :D

I wonder if this will signal a turning point for all future anime on CN?

[Ikou]

I wonder if this will signal a turning point for all future anime on CN?
Hope so, I hope one day that Ill be able to watch new eps of CC/DC on CN and this might make it happen.

[Fresh V]

It seems my dream was wrong. YES!!

[Mugen]

Can anyone imagine what exactly Piccolo did to finish off Radditz?


Well, one would think Piccolo would blow Raditz's head off, but even in the manga version, he does the same thing only he was bluffing.

I am so glad CN is showing DBZ four times a week. I couldn't imagine waiting 5 weeks just to see this episode. After seeing this episode I can't wait to see the rest of Season 1 and 2(uncut no less). I haven't felt this excited to watch DBZ episodes since the premiere of Season 3 back in 1999.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Oh I see. You mean DICE.Exactly.


What I'd like to know is why Piccolo all of a sudden grows enraged when Radditz is laughing at him, raises his arm in the air, and proceeds to do nothing afterwards.
The scene cuts away to avoid showing Piccolo killing him.

[blue_blood]

Can anyone imagine what exactly Piccolo did to finish off Radditz?




After the scene with chi chi and whats his name you notice that there were cracks under raditz so piccolo probably did some kind of force wind attack

[Dark Fact]

Somebody call Cartoon Network and congratulate them for having the guts to show tonight's episode uncut! :) They deserve it! :cool:

What does Nappa's voice sound like anyway? Does it sound like the Budokai Nappa or the godawful version in that flashback episode in Season 3?

[Mugen]

Somebody call Cartoon Network and congratulate them for having the guts to show tonight's episode uncut! :) They deserve it! :cool:

What does Nappa's voice sound like anyway? Does it sound like the Budokai Nappa or the godawful version in that flashback episode in Season 3?
It's Budokai Nappa. Phil Parsons plays him in both versions.

[Fresh V]

The scene cuts away to avoid showing Piccolo killing him. Why?

[Animeforever'04]

Somebody call Cartoon Network and congratulate them for having the guts to show tonight's episode uncut! :) They deserve it! :cool:

What does Nappa's voice sound like anyway? Does it sound like the Budokai Nappa or the godawful version in that flashback episode in Season 3?Budokai Nappa:)

[CyberCubed]

Nappa and Radditz are the same as their Budokai voice actors. The tone of their voices are definitely similar to the Ocean Group VA's, nearly all of them were expected to sound similar to the old ones.

Too bad we go into filler land a couple episodes from now. :(

[livingfruitvirus]

After seeing this episode I can't wait to see the rest of Season 1 and 2(uncut no less).I'm hoping they go beyond that, as it would be pointless to go up to the middle of the Freeza saga and say "Ok viewers, we'll just stop here and call it a day."

[livingfruitvirus]

And yeah, Vegeta does look wierd with his orange armor and brown hair...the hell?All the trouble of converting a black and white comic. My guess is the animators simply got a prototype color sheet or something. Or along the way they decided it was an ugly color scheme and simply changed it.

Too bad we go into filler land a couple episodes from now. :(
Seriously. A large portion of the Saban time editing occurs within the mini-arc of training for the Saiyans' arrival. Out of the 16 episodes in the arc, Saban manages to clip out about 6 episodes worth of footage. So if you thought the wait was too long to begin with, now it's 1.5 times longer.

[Scirel]

I'm hoping they go beyond that, as it would be pointless to go up to the middle of the Freeza saga and say "Ok viewers, we'll just stop here and call it a day."
I don`t think CN bought the uncut versions of anything past the original 67, so they would probably show the cut-but-still-funi episodes, or not anything past 67 at all. (67 is the number, right?)

[CyberCubed]

I'm hoping they go beyond that, as it would be pointless to go up to the middle of the Freeza saga and say "Ok viewers, we'll just stop here and call it a day."

Don't expect to see Season 3 redubbed though, if they do continue through it.

We'll go from good voice acting to "the FUNI VA's first starting out trying to imitate the old voice actors and sounding horrible" scenario.

[Tenku]

All I can say is wow. I was shocked, amazed, saddened, and so many emotions when I saw this ep, something that was never experienced when I watched the Saban eps way back when.

Though, I do agree Nappa's voice is...eh. And the return on brown haired Vegeta! Woo! :D

I kinda expected a (much) lighter version of his voice but it came out a bit too gruff. Hmm.

Anyway, it was great. Yay for uncut! :D 10/10

[Arxane]

Why?
For...

...dramatic...

...

.

......

...tension.

Well, by the sounds of things, I'll have something to look forward to tomorrow when I watch the taped episode (was too busy watching AFI's 100 Greatest Movie Quotes with my folks).

[Dark Fact]

Can't wait for Gohan and the Robot. :)

Of course, those were the toei-added filler/plot hole eps about Vegeta and nappa breathign in space and blowing up a planet when they shouldn`t be that strong.
Yeah, real impressive. Nappa and Vegeta demonstrate that they're the strongest fighters in the universe by blowing up a planet filled with moths and butterflies. Reeeeeaaalll strong, Nappa & Vegeta! :rolleyes2

[Timmay]

Can anyone imagine what exactly Piccolo did to finish off Radditz?




After the scene with chi chi and whats his name you notice that there were cracks under raditz so piccolo probably did some kind of force wind attack
Or maybe he just beat the ever living **** out of him one-handed style.

[Mike JD Silva]

All the trouble of converting a black and white comic. My guess is the animators simply got a prototype color sheet or something. Or along the way they decided it was an ugly color scheme and simply changed it.
I remember reading a long time ago that it was a mix up with what Toriyama submitted. They also mentioned that he was rather....unpleased.... with what was done. Not too sure how reliable it was but it was one of those things that was passed down back in the day.

[CyberCubed]

Considering that Roshi blew up the Moon back in Dragonball, I don't see why Vegeta and Nappa blowing up a planet should be considered a plot hole.

Breathing in space = yes.

Blowing up a planet = No. Even Yamcha or Krillin could destroy a planet easily if they wanted to.

[Scirel]

I know that they did keep the brown hair for a few more episodes though. Anyone know why?

Considering that Roshi blew up the Moon back in Dragonball, I don't see why Vegeta and Nappa blowing up a planet should be considered a plot hole.
The moon is WEAK. Picollo destroyed it easily in DBZ too, at olny a few hundred more than Roshi.

Frieza was the only one who was strong enough to destroy a planet.

[William C. Maune]

I don`t think CN bought the uncut versions of anything past the original 67, so they would probably show the cut-but-still-funi episodes, or not anything past 67 at all. (67 is the number, right?)

While I think you are right that they only have the 67 (or so) uncut episodes for now, when the time comes they could buy more uncut episodes (just like they bought these instead of showing the Season 1 and 2 episodes they had already). Assuming this run is successful, I don't see any reason they won't strike a deal and keep it going.

[Dark Fact]

Somewhere, Haim Saban can't shake the feeling that he got pwned. :rolleyes2

[G1Ravage]

What I'd like to know is why Piccolo all of a sudden grows enraged when Radditz is laughing at him, raises his arm in the air, and proceeds to do nothing afterwards.
That's because FUNi didn't bother to figure out what Raditz was supposed to be saying there. Originally, Raditz was laughing at Piccolo and calling him a worthless worm who will die in one year.

Also, there was another scene ruined by bad acting and a copied Ocean script. Remember the scene where Nappa and Vegeta are walking to their space pods, and talking about how Raditz was a fool and they want the Dragon Balls? In the Japanese version, Vegeta brings up the fact that Kakarrot's son has an extraordinary power level, and he and Nappa start to ponder why. Vegeta brings up the interesting possibility that a Saiyan having a child with an Earthling produces a hybrid with incredible powers. Nappa suggests that Raditz's Scouter was busted, but Vegeta shoots that theory down, reminding Nappa of that powerful blow Kakarrot's son gave to Raditz.

[Mike JD Silva]

Don't expect to see Season 3 redubbed though, if they do continue through it.

We'll go from good voice acting to "the FUNI VA's first starting out trying to imitate the old voice actors and sounding horrible" scenario.
I don't think they will. To be honest, the only thing from Season 3 to get redubbed will be the first 3-5 minutes of the season 3 episode 'Ginyu Assault', as the beginning contained the last several minutes of the previous episode.

It would be nice, though I doubt they'll do it, if they redub that flashback scene of Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta talking to Freeza and then Vegeta revealing his plans to them.

[CyberCubed]

The moon is WEAK. Picollo destroyed it easily in DBZ too, at olny a few hundred more than Roshi.

Frieza was the only one who was strong enough to destroy a planet.

How the heck is a moon weaker than a planet?

Almost all the characters in the Saiyan Saga could have blown up the Earth.

Do you realize how strong they actually are? Yamcha and Krillin may appear weak compared to Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo and the rest, but they're pretty damn powerful themselves. They could blow things up in an instant if they wanted to, they don't because it's not their nature.

[Dark Fact]

The entire Ginyu and Freeza saga doesn't need to be redubbed...just small parts. Besides, it'll be inevitable that FUNimation will re-release the Ginyu and Freeza sagas on DVD anyway under their "Ultimate Uncut Special Edition" label. Only this time, we'll see bursts of Ginyu and Freeza instead of screencaps.

[livingfruitvirus]

Don't expect to see Season 3 redubbed though, if they do continue through it.What's the point of redubbing it when they have an uncut dub already?

Frieza was the only one who was strong enough to destroy a planet.And even then he couldn't get the job done on Namek. It had to "destabilize." Wuss.

[Scirel]

Vegeta brings up the interesting possibility that a Saiyan having a child with an Earthling produces a hybrid with incredible powers.
Heh, that`s for sure. More Human DNA= Easier to go Super Saiyan at a lower PL. Although Pan kinda nixes this but gt sucks anyway.

How the heck is a moon weaker than a planet?
Beats me, but its how it is presented in the story. Even Frieza had to charge up a big blast to destroy Namek and vegeta. Just about all the saiyans were stronger than tien, yamcha, and krillin, too, and they were never shown to eb able to do this.

[Mike JD Silva]

Frieza was the only one who was strong enough to destroy a planet.
No, Vegeta could. Remember his fight with Goku? About the planet going up in smoke? So it goes to say that those with a PL of 18,000 (what Vegeta is at this point, said by Zarbon and Dodoria) destruction of a planet is possible, but with an enormous buildup of energy.

However, Freeza just happens to be in a whole other league entirely.

[William C. Maune]

What's the point of redubbing it when they have an uncut dub already?

While I do think it is unlikely, I think there is a slight chance depending on how well their "Ultimate Uncut" editions sell. Depending on dubbing costs, it could give them a cost effective marketing advantage by being able to claim it as a new and improved dub. The current discs are an easy sell since they are the first uncut release. However, if they continue the "Ultimate Uncut" editions they'll need another selling point to get people to buy/rebuy since they've already released uncut editions.

I don't think it's likely, but I think the possibility is there.

[Mugen]

I hope CN does not stop once Season 2 ends. I want them to finish airing the rest of DBZ. A nice treat would be that if this is successful(and I hope so), maybe CN could get the rest of the seasons uncut. I don't expect this, but it would be cool if they did.

I really wish FUNi made the script more accurate. It seems that if TOEI executives aren't breathing down FUNi's necks and overseeing the production process, FUNi doesn't really try to translate the script. I mean the Budokai games are more accurate.

[CyberCubed]

What's the point of redubbing it when they have an uncut dub already?

I wasn't saying they were going to. I was arguing AGAINST the idea that FUNI will redub season 3.

We might see CN Buy the uncut dub of Season 3 instead of re-airing the edited version, but it will still sound lousy compared to the redub. The FUNI voice actors sucked in Season 3, so it will be hard to go from THIS to Season 3's voice acting if CN continues to air the rest of the Frieza saga.

[Mike JD Silva]

I really wish FUNi made the script more accurate. It seems that if TOEI executives aren't breathing down FUNi's necks and overseeing the production process, FUNi doesn't really try to translate the script. I mean the Budokai games are more accurate.
Somehow, I don't think Toei cares how their products are handled as long as they get the cash. They didn't provide proper previews for the 'uncut' edition or provide proper sound for the later seasons. and there is that episode of Sailor Moon that they won't even let on dvd here....

[Dark Fact]

While I do think it is unlikely, I think there is a slight chance depending on how well their "Ultimate Uncut" editions sell. Depending on dubbing costs, it could give them a cost effective marketing advantage by being able to claim it as a new and improved dub. The current discs are an easy sell since they are the first uncut release. However, if they continue the "Ultimate Uncut" editions they'll need another selling point to get people to buy/rebuy since they've already released uncut editions.
It worked for Evangelion, didn't it?

[livingfruitvirus]

While I do think it is unlikely, I think there is a slight chance depending on how well their "Ultimate Uncut" editions sell. Depending on dubbing costs, it could give them a cost effective marketing advantage by being able to claim it as a new and improved dub. The current discs are an easy sell since they are the first uncut release. However, if they continue the "Ultimate Uncut" editions they'll need another selling point to get people to buy/rebuy since they've already released uncut editions.

I don't think it's likely, but I think the possibility is there.The possibility exists for anything, but the idea simply sounds like an act of desperation. For those who buy DVDs for the subtitles, it won't matter anyway. They've got their copies.

Also, there was another scene ruined by bad acting and a copied Ocean script. Remember the scene where Nappa and Vegeta are walking to their space pods, and talking about how Raditz was a fool and they want the Dragon Balls? In the Japanese version, Vegeta brings up the fact that Kakarrot's son has an extraordinary power level, and he and Nappa start to ponder why. Vegeta brings up the interesting possibility that a Saiyan having a child with an Earthling produces a hybrid with incredible powers. Nappa suggests that Raditz's Scouter was busted, but Vegeta shoots that theory down, reminding Nappa of that powerful blow Kakarrot's son gave to Raditz.
I'm wondering what'll get changed upon the arrival of episodes 21-23, which is simply Bad-Dialogueotropolis. We get such memorable gems as:


"Too bad it's Sunday, those buildings would have been full tomorrow."
"That area may have been evacuated, but it'll give them something to think about!"
"Fortunately, the area was evacuated at the time."
"Fortunately, residents were able to vacate..."
"They blew up the cargo robot!"
And the ever popular.


"Look! I can see their parachutes! They're ok..."
And who could forget the cluster of dialogue around episode 26?


"A quick light show and those cowards run away. Who needs the news? I never did watch the news... well, maybe just a few times... and it stunk!"
"Head for the hills! Run! Get out of here!"
"Eject pilots, eject!"
"Abandon ship!"
"These humans are such cowards! A little target practice on some empty buildings, and they scatter!"

[Timmay]

Moon is like.. 100x smaller than a planet.. or maybe it's 10x.. but uh.. you get the point..

But yes, Vegeta destroying a planet, when at the time the best he could probably do was destroy a city with a fullpowered blast.

Actually.. the entire series is pretty inconsistent in terms of explosions and damage... by the time they had powerlevels in the millions.. aka Buu Saga.. one or two blasts was probably all it would take for them to blow up the entire planet.

[Scirel]

""These humans are such cowards! A little target practice on some empty buildings, and they scatter!"
BEST LINE EVER.


It would be awesome if Funi actually reversed the situtation and went out of their way to mention the random people in the buildings died.

[CyberCubed]

They changed dialouge fixing Saban's errors already.

They changed Gohan from 5 years old to 4 1/2 years old.

Remember how in the old dub Krillin says "Who's Kami?" after Piccolo tells him that he took Goku away?

In FUNI's dub Krillin didn't say that line, since Krillin saw Kami in the tournament back in Dragonball.

I don't see why they won't fix the other lines. FUNI seems to keep the same jokes, but stuff like "I can see their parachutes!" will definitely be changed.

EDIT: And another line, the farmer saying "Oh that smarts!" after Radditz snapped the bullet at him was also removed showing that he uh...died.

[Youko Recca]

I'm wondering what'll get changed upon the arrival of episodes 21-23, which is simply Bad-Dialogueotropolis. We get such memorable gems as:


"Too bad it's Sunday, those buildings would have been full tomorrow."
"That area may have been evacuated, but it'll give them something to think about!"
"Fortunately, the area was evacuated at the time."
"Fortunately, residents were able to vacate..."
"They blew up the cargo robot!"
And the ever popular.


"Look! I can see their parachutes! They're ok..."
And who could forget the cluster of dialogue around episode 26?


"A quick light show and those cowards run away. Who needs the news? I never did watch the news... well, maybe just a few times... and it stunk!"
"Head for the hills! Run! Get out of here!"
"Eject pilots, eject!"
"Abandon ship!"
"These humans are such cowards! A little target practice on some empty buildings, and they scatter!"

Looking back, it was funny hearing them say that like it meant something for real.

Can't wait for them to start getting mowed down one by one.

[Mugen]

Remember how in the old dub Krillin says "Who's Kami?" after Piccolo tells him that he took Goku away?

In FUNI's dub Krillin didn't say that line, since Krillin saw Kami in the tournament back in Dragonball.


I forgot about that line. It's nice to see they changed it. If you think about it, the old line kinda made sense since no one saw DB back in 1995 and it didn't go beyond 13 episodes.

[Nin-Nin69]

Great episode. Although I liked Goku's line in the Manga better when telling Krillin, "Dying sucks doesn't it? As for future episodes, the line that will would make my day shall be, "I don't see any parachutes." :D

[Pizzaguy24]

The possibility exists for anything, but the idea simply sounds like an act of desperation. For those who buy DVDs for the subtitles, it won't matter anyway. They've got their copies.


I'm wondering what'll get changed upon the arrival of episodes 21-23, which is simply Bad-Dialogueotropolis. We get such memorable gems as:

"Too bad it's Sunday, those buildings would have been full tomorrow."
Man, I remember laughing my butt off when I heard that

Ahhh the good old days when you knew nothing about edits and loved the show how it was

[livingfruitvirus]

Man, I remember laughing my butt off when I heard that

Ahhh the good old days when you nothing about edits and loved the show how it wasAround the Namek saga FUNimation did manage to pull off a few tricks that made it look like nothing at all was edited. Here's an example in the spoiler box below. If you don't know what scene it is and wish to be surprised, don't read.

Remember when Dodoria is fighting the Nameks? It's the village where Dende lived. He fights the warrior Nameks and then faces with the elder Namek. There's a scene where Dodoria fires a blast at the Elder namek and it goes over his shoulder. Krillin adds in a line like "That was close." Seems Dodoria was just having some bad aim.

Here's what really happens. Dodoria fires the blast, but it goes over the Elder's shoulder because it turns out that's not who he's aiming at. Dende and his brother Kargo are running away, and Dodoria's blast hits Kargo head on and kills him immediately. Dende screams and shakes Kargo's corpse. Anything involving Kargo dying is cut, including a later scene where his body is off in the background, so that the above scene in the Saban version could be accomplished. In Saban's version Dodoria adds a line later on like "Your brother may have escaped.." when he's coming after Dende.

[Fresh V]

Remember when Dodoria is fighting the Nameks? It's the village where Dende lived. He fights the warrior Nameks and then faces with the elder Namek. There's a scene where Dodoria fires a blast at the Elder namek and it goes over his shoulder. Krillin adds in a line like "That was close." Seems Dodoria was just having some bad aim.

Here's what really happens. Dodoria fires the blast, but it goes over the Elder's shoulder because it turns out that's not who he's aiming at. Dende and his brother Kargo are running away, and Dodoria's blast hits Kargo head on and kills him immediately. Dende screams and shakes Kargo's corpse. Anything involving Kargo dying is cut, including a later scene where his body is off in the background, so that the above scene in the Saban version could be accomplished. In Saban's version Dodoria adds a line later on like "Your brother may have escaped.." when he's coming after Dende.
THAT explains it!

I was wondering where the HELL Dende's brother went. Stupid edits!

[G1Ravage]

I've been wondering how this wonderful, uncut presentation came about on Cartoon Network. When it was announced that DBZ was returning to CN, and that it would probably be the redub airing, I assumed they'd be edited to a Y7 level like always, and that'd be that. And then it surfaced that the eps were going to be rated TV-PG. The commercials advertised the episodes as uncut, and that's exactly what we got.

And so I wonder...who made this happen? Did FUNi ask CN if they wanted the redub, or did CN approach FUNi? Did CN say that they wanted to run this uncut at 10:30 at night, or did FUNi have a hand in convincing them to do so?

In any case, Cartoon Network...
BRING ON GUNDAM SEED DESTINY!!! PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE!

[Mike JD Silva]

Also, there was another scene ruined by bad acting and a copied Ocean script.
::sigh:: Similar, but not a copy exactly.

Old dub-
Nappa: Raditz stinks.

Vegeta: What an idiot. How could he let himself be beaten by men with such low fighting power?

Nappa: I don't know, should we go destroy those earthlings?

Vegeta: I don't think so....but then....I guess, we could.

Nappa: Huh, are you thinking about what Raditz said?

Vegeta: Exactly. Those dragon balls caught my interest. Just think about it Nappa. If we can get our hands on those seven dragon balls then we can wish for anything we want.

Nappa: So would we with Raditz back to-

Vegeta: -No. That would be a wasted wish. I'd wish for something grand. So how would you like to be immortal my friend, and fight forever?

Nappa: Now there's something I could live with for the rest of my life. Even if it was for an eternity.

Vegeta: Good, then it's settled. We're off to the planet Earth Nappa.

New dub-
Nappa: Raditz stinks.

Vegeta: He's a complete disgrace. How could he let himself be beaten by men of such low fighting power?

Nappa: I don't know. Maybe we should go teach those earthlings a lesson.

Vegeta: A waste of time... Then again, I am..curious.

Nappa: Are you thinking about what Raditz said?

Vegeta: Exactly. Those dragon balls caught my interest. Just think of the possibilities Nappa. If we can get our hands on those seven dragon balls then we can wish for anything we want. Anything at all.... Wouldn't you say that's worth making a little trip?

Nappa: You kidding? Yeah, let's go!

::continued scene after Goku dies::

Vegeta: Once we force Kakarrot's friends to tell us how to find the dragon balls we'll eliminate them, with anyone else who stands in our way.

Nappa: And then we can wish Raditz back to life.

Vegeta: No, that would be a wasted wish. Raditz was a weakling and a fool. Any Saiyan who could be defeated so easily doesn't deserve to live.

::Nappa grunts in understanding::

Vegeta: Actually Nappa, I have something far more grand in mind. Now tell me how does the idea of eternal life sound to you?

Nappa: What? Living forever? That sounds great. Yeah, and if we can't die that means noone will be able to defeat us. So what the heck would we need Raditz for?

Vegeta: Yes, what for indeed? We'll be the greatest fighters in the universe. And we will ascend to our rightful place among the Saiyan warriors of legend.

Nappa: Do you mean...?

Vegeta: That's right Nappa, that's exactly what I mean. We will become Super Saiyans.

Now I definately like the sound of that!
-----------------------

And Ravage, after looking at both of these Sabat sounds nothing like Drummond here.

[ClockStomper]

The early mention of Super Sayian is a little less annoying than the cheesey line about gohan eventually travelling through space.

So is tommorow the uncut version of the infamous HFIL episode?

[Mike JD Silva]

The early mention of Super Sayian is a little less annoying than the cheesey line about gohan eventually travelling through space.

So is tommorow the uncut version of the infamous HFIL episode?
No, I think that's still several episodes down the line.

[Sketch]

Freak'n awesome.

I think season 3 getting a redub is very possible. Just to stretch it out a bit. Afterall... Slayers has an uncut dub and so do the first 3 movies. Of course those were because the rights had run out but it's still possible that they'd want to redub those episodes and give them enhanced Japanese audio like they have for the new discs.

[G1Ravage]

::sigh:: Similar, but not a copy exactly. And Ravage, after looking at both of these Sabat sounds nothing like Drummond here.
You're right in that it's not a word for word copy. But when I say that they copied Ocean, I'm trying to say that they basically used the same lines, instead of actually translating what's being said. Sure, there are some minor alterations here and there, but they didn't bother to use a translated Japanese script.

And I wasn't saying that Sabat sounded like Drummond here, but rather that both Sabat and Drummond made Vegeta sound awfully strange here as opposed to how they voiced Vegeta later in the same saga.

[G1Ravage]

I mean come on, it's so obvious where this is leading. Yu Yu Hakusho's unexplained disappearance........ the constant reminders that yes Cartoon Network does have the new episodes.......... come on people. I'd like to think there's more here than just a simple hunch.
That's what I thought back on June 9: http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=1776867&postcount=57

But no one else thought so. :sad:

*has suddenly realized perhaps why it's taken so long for Yu Yu Hakusho to return to the air*

:D
KEEP DREAMING.

[Sketch]

I mean come on, it's so obvious where this is leading. Yu Yu Hakusho's unexplained disappearance........ the constant reminders that yes Cartoon Network does have the new episodes.......... come on people. I'd like to think there's more here than just a simple hunch.
Uncut YYH would be a very bold move given all the swearing in it. But I'd certainly enjoy it. I'd rather Case Closed get prime time showings actually but we all know that's a lost cause.

But does these mean what I somewhat fear? CN prime time will air uncut anime but Toonami wont air TV-PG period?

[Sketch]

That's what I thought back on June 9: http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=1776867&postcount=57

But no one else thought so. :sad:
Apparently I'm "no one".

I can admit when I'm wrong. I never expected them to air uncut DBZ and certainly not uncut YYH again but boy it sure would be awesome.

[G1Ravage]

Apparently I'm "no one".No, you're definitely someone.

You're the only one who was man enough to come forward with your own opinion. :)

[KnightusMaximus]

You guys really think they even could put a show that was edited when it was on Adult Swim, uncut on general Cartoon Network? Granted, times have changed, and Adult Swim may be able to run Yu Yu uncut now, but wouldn't that be thanks to TV-14?

I'm not sure what their DBZ plans are, but I'd guess they will certainly rerun these episodes when they're done, and that should keep this slot pretty occupied for the immediate future.. but getting a prime, weeknight spot is no easy thing to do. I would love to see it, but.. maybe 10:30PM Sundays is more likely?

Either way, FUNimation would have to do some serious begging. But seeing Yu Yu and especially Case Closed on the weeknight lineup would be a most unexpectedly pleasant surprise.

Oh yeah.. and this episode was great, as always. 10/10 for both the moving story and uncut-ness.

[William C. Maune]

But does these mean what I somewhat fear? CN prime time will air uncut anime but Toonami wont air TV-PG period?

I doubt it. I think it is just a case of Toonami not having a TV-PG show ready to put on the air quite yet. Zatch Bell doesn't really need TV-PG (compared to some other shows) and due to 4Kids they are likely stuck with TV-Y7 One Piece. New shows coming down the pipe bring new opportunities though.

[Sketch]

Chances of BoBoBo airing TV-PG are next to none... So we'll just have to see I guess.

Heck for all we know CN might air TV-PG Yu Yu Hakusho on Toonami. That shouldn't be too hard to accomplish. Maybe CN would even try Destiny at a decent slot at TV-PG on Toonami (but I doubt it).

I suppose it would be unlikely YYH would air uncut but less cut is still something worth having. We don't know how the last batch of episodes were handled by FUNi for CN. But I doubt they're completely uncut because that'd be heavy for even Adult Swim.

[Demonic Raven]

The thing with Yu Yu is that it's alot worse than DBZ on the whole. Despite this being technically uncut, the dialogue is sparkling clean thanks to Funi (as it's been said). I know they are already taking chances with this uncut run of DBZ despite the clean dub (like last nights episode), but YYH would be taking it further....with even more blood, violence, and the inclusion of bad language.

So....it all depends on how far CN wants to take this uncut thing. Just remember, for all we know this could be a one time thing...

[Mad Mod 49]

Last night's uncut episode was great. They fixed one old mistake that bugged me from the original dub: In the original dub, Piccolo says that Kami took Goku's body and Krillin says "Who's Kami?!" (despite meeting Kami in Dragon Ball!)
Now in the new dub, Krillin's line is gone and Piccolo says "I take it you both know him".

The only problem with this episode was Vegeta's voice. It sounded too deep.

[IanC]

Uncut YYH would be a very bold move given all the swearing in it. But I'd certainly enjoy it.

Ya know, after watching some Yu Yu i have to wonder where the whole FUNi toning down swearing thing come from.

[Gold]

For anyone who cares, here are the amounts of time originally cut from the next five episodes (not including unimportant cuts like missing establishing shots and pans) in the original dub:

Episode 6: 4 minutes, 26 seconds.
Episode 7: 7 minutes, 54 seconds.
Episode 8: 2 minutes, 5 seconds.
Episode 9: 16 minutes, 54 seconds (!!).
Episode 10: 10 seconds.

[Beat]

I'm hoping they go beyond that, as it would be pointless to go up to the middle of the Freeza saga and say "Ok viewers, we'll just stop here and call it a day."
If that were the case, I just see them redubbing to the end of Freeza. I don't see any show, no matter how popular, getting two dubs by the same production house.

Although I would like that hemmroids line to be annhilated.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Vegeta's voice was too low. It was shocking. It was okay at the end of the series because the animation changed and he had a bad temper. He was older in GT, so that was alright. But still, great episode, and

Thank you, thank you, thank you Cartoon Network. Uncut greatness.

[Vekou]

For comparison's sake, I thought I'd show some of you the "real" version of some parts of last night's episode. Click the thumbnails (and links) to see bigger versions.

Sacrifice: http://img284.echo.cx/img284/8751/p16hr.th.jpg (http://img284.echo.cx/my.php?image=p16hr.jpg) http://img163.echo.cx/img163/8223/p24py.th.jpg (http://img163.echo.cx/my.php?image=p24py.jpg)http://img163.echo.cx/img163/8016/p34sl.th.jpg (http://img163.echo.cx/my.php?image=p34sl.jpg)http://img163.echo.cx/img163/131/p40hd.th.jpg (http://img163.echo.cx/my.php?image=p40hd.jpg) http://img163.echo.cx/img163/5866/p52ut.th.jpg (http://img163.echo.cx/my.php?image=p52ut.jpg)
Sure, it's not as accurate, but I think "Light of Death" sounds better than "Screw Beam of the Devil" any day. Of course, they could have just used "Makankousapou," but I guess that's out of the question.

Some colorful language (http://img113.echo.cx/my.php?image=p60ky.jpg) from Piccolo.

Raditz's real death: http://img113.echo.cx/img113/8770/p78ev.th.jpg (http://img113.echo.cx/my.php?image=p78ev.jpg)
Judging from the smoke clouds and the cracks in the ground, I'd say Piccolo either snapped his spine or crushed his skull in. He definitely did finish him off, though. Too bad the anime couldn't make that clearer.

What Vegeta and Nappa were really saying: http://img113.echo.cx/img113/4169/p87fj.th.jpg (http://img113.echo.cx/my.php?image=p87fj.jpg)
Just some banter that doesn't seem too important at the time, but later on... well, you know.

And lastly, Goku dies (http://img280.echo.cx/my.php?image=p99kn.jpg). I like the way Viz conveys his kind of informal, laid-back, country bumpkin personality in his speech. They stress this with Ox-King and a few others, too. This is pretty important to his character; too bad FUNimation totally misses this (both times!). They try to make him seem more noble than he actually is. I also like his last words...

[Dark Fact]

Somewhere, Chris Psarros and Mr. E. are drinking to last night's episode. :rolleyes2

[Vekou]

Chris Psaros died of alchohol poisoning and Mr. E converted to Islam and is currently waging Jihad in the Middle East.

No, I'm just kidding. But I'm fairly certain that neither of them care about Dragonball anymore. Ah, those were the days, though, huh?

[livingfruitvirus]

No, I'm just kidding. But I'm fairly certain that neither of them care about Dragonball anymore. Ah, those were the days, though, huh?What ever happened to those 2?

And neither would be drinking. They'd be picking apart the dialogue, voices, and soundtrack.

[Dark Fact]

Yeah, they'd have a beef with the new dubbing but at least they would be commending of Cartoon Network to show the stuff uncut. :)

[Vekou]

I do know for a fact that Mr. E had given up interest in anime at least two years ago, when I last saw him lurking the internet. As for Psaros, I've no idea. He is quite the enigma - after he decided to end DBZU, he just vanished. Never seen or heard anything from him since.

As far as I know, Mike "The Yeti" LaBrie and Julian "Impossibly Long Last Name" Bratolawanaliuski (approximation) are the only major personalities of the original Dragonball fan communuity who've still maintained interest (http://daizex.com) after all of these years.

And of course, Jon "The Pink Hat Guy" Allen still sends me some hilarious parodies and songs that sometimes relate to the show now and then, but he's become a professional voice actor and has little time for such foolishness anymore. ;)

[livingfruitvirus]

Has Jon "Comon! Move it!" Allen done any other voice acting since his performance as Pink Hat Guy?

[Dark Fact]

I wonder if his giving up on the Dragonball franchise had anything to do with his website shutting down and the Gamefan fiasco?

That or he just stopped watching anime period... :shrug:

Anyways, tonight's the last episode of the Piccolo's Plan DVD episode. Pay close attention to Goku's angel escorts! ;)

[Animeforever'04]

I wonder if his giving up on the Dragonball franchise had anything to do with his website shutting down and the Gamefan fiasco?

That or he just stopped watching anime period... :shrug:

Anyways, tonight's the last episode of the Piccolo's Plan DVD episode. Pay close attention to Goku's angel escorts! ;) why that?:shrug:

[G1Ravage]

Chris Psaros died of alchohol poisoning and Mr. E converted to Islam and is currently waging Jihad in the Middle East.

No, I'm just kidding. But I'm fairly certain that neither of them care about Dragonball anymore. Ah, those were the days, though, huh?
I wonder if Psaros even knows the Saiyan saga is airing uncut now. I bet he'd really enjoy watching this, if just for the irony of it all.

[Ishtar]

I wonder if Psaros even knows the Saiyan saga is airing uncut now. I bet he'd really enjoy watching this, if just for the irony of it all.
Yeah! I'd like to see his criticism for the re-dub.

[Mugen]

I remember an interview on Chris' website that had Gen and Barry talking about creating an uncut English version using the Ocean Group. This would be done with Pioneer(Geneon) helping and distributing it on VHS. This interview was done years ago(I believe 7-9 years ago) and nothing came of it. I wonder if they ever dubbed an uncut version with the Ocean cast or they just didn't do anything.

[Ishtar]

I remember an interview on Chris' website that had Gen and Barry talking about creating an uncut English version using the Ocean Group. This would be done with Pioneer(Geneon) helping and distributing it on VHS. This interview was done years ago(I believe 7-9 years ago) and nothing came of it. I wonder if they ever dubbed an uncut version with the Ocean cast or they just didn't do anything.
Ocean Group probably left them before they could.

[MattThomasM2B]

Poor Gohan. All that build up for him to be a super bad ass....only for him to end up sucking it.

[G1Ravage]

Today's episode:

English - "No Time Like the Present"

Japanese - "Even Lord Yama is Surprised -- The Fight Continues in The Next World"

[Scirel]

Poor Gohan. All that build up for him to be a super bad ass....only for him to end up sucking it.
Eh, he`s still technically the strongest single person at the end of Z.

[Dark Fact]

Is it supposed to be Enma or Yama? :confused:

I remember an interview on Chris' website that had Gen and Barry talking about creating an uncut English version using the Ocean Group. This would be done with Pioneer(Geneon) helping and distributing it on VHS. This interview was done years ago(I believe 7-9 years ago) and nothing came of it. I wonder if they ever dubbed an uncut version with the Ocean cast or they just didn't do anything.
I think FUNimation threw that idea out the window at the last minute. I wouldn't be surprised if Saban didn't even let them do it.

[Ishtar]

A little off topic but I just saw a CN commercial talking about the V-Chip, and during Uncut DBZ!

[Dark Fact]

why that?
Why's what?

A little off topic but I just saw a CN commercial talking about the V-Chip, and during Uncut DBZ!
Coincidence? :rolleyes2

[Mugen]

Wow, I didn't realize how much was cut during the conversation between Piccolo and Gohan. Also, FUNimation probably backed out of the deal.

[Ishtar]

Coincidence? :rolleyes2I found it kinda odd and funny. lol

[G1Ravage]

Is it supposed to be Enma or Yama? :confused:
It can be either/or.

[Dark Fact]

Most fans spell it as Enma though...I thought that was how it was supposed to be spelled.

[CyberCubed]

Loved the humour in today's episode.

Krillin being picked on to pick up Radditz scouter, as well as the one who is forced to tell Chi Chi about Goku and Gohan.

King Yemma yelling at Kami was also humorous.

Oh, and Chi Chi's daydream about Gohan training with Master Roshi and swimming away from man-eating sharks = GOLD.

Piccolo becomes one of the best characters in the series when he starts to train Gohan.

Did Gohan sound younger in this episode to anyone else than the first ep he appeared in? He actually sounded a lot like the Ocean Group Gohan in this ep, maybe it was because he was crying though.

It's amusing how Piccolo trains Gohan now, and then later on Goten and Trunks.

"Breakfast?! You're having the Fusion dance for breakfast!" - Piccolo in the Buu saga. :p

[Demonic Raven]

Bascially an inbetween episode. We are now starting on Gohan and Goku's training stages as they wrap up Radditz's attack in full. The best part was seeing little ol' Gohan blow up that whole mountain. Just a healthy reminder that this is in fact DBZ. :p

8/10

[Vekou]

Has Jon "Comon! Move it!" Allen done any other voice acting since his performance as Pink Hat Guy? Nothing nearly as big, but yeah, he's done some stuff for smaller productions.

https://www.nowcasting.com/actor/popup/viewactor.php?actorID=jonallen&agencyID=

Listen to those audio clips, particularly the character demo. Ocean DBZ and YuYu hilarity. SHUT THE HELL UP, CHAOZU!

[Dark Fact]

I wonder if the subs for this episode on the DVD will have Piccolo's line: "Curse your fate, as I have done mine!"?

[A.Magik]

Gohan's hell begins. I doubt Goku suffered as much as his son did at that age.

Does anyone think Kuririn, Kame-sen'nin, and Buruma were a bit selfish and shallow for letting Piccolo get away with Gohan? Yeah, I know, Kuririn is afraid of Piccolo, especially considering what the Daimou did to him eight years before. However, Gohan is his best friend's son, and he feared the kid would join Piccolo's Mazoku. He should have at least attempted some rescue.

As for Goku, I'll partially give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he did not know what was happening to his son during his first six month trek to Kaio-sama (it would be then that he probably found out). He probably thought his son was returned to Chichi, and Kami-sama purposely said nothing to contradict his belief, feeling it would affect his training. I would bet that if Goku knew about his son's situation when it was happening, he would do something to change it.
However, I would say that Goku is guilty for not giving much thought about his son during his trek, like wondering if Gohan's safety was confirmed (especially since Piccolo was still alive, still evil, and still capable of exacting some revenge). Instead, he devoted this period to getting to Kaio-sama and recieving his training, not bothering to know about anything about his son. In that responsibility, he has much to answer for.

How did Kuririn learn to be afraid of Chichi? The last time he saw Goku's wife was at Budokai five years ago, and back then he thought she was some hot chick.

A.Magik

[Ninja Murasaki]

Good episode, as always.

I would have to say that I liked Goku's funny sounding escort in the original dub better.

[Ishtar]

Good episode, as always.

I would have to say that I liked Goku's funny sounding escort in the original dub better.I think that escort is voiced by Sonny Strait in the New dub. It sounds simmilar to Piano and General Blue, which he voiced in Dragon Ball.

[Duke]

As for Goku, I'll partially give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he did not know what was happening to his son during his first six month trek to Kaio-sama (it would be then that he probably found out). He probably thought his son was returned to Chichi, and Kami-sama purposely said nothing to contradict his belief, feeling it would affect his training. I would bet that if Goku knew about his son's situation when it was happening, he would do something to change it.
However, I would say that Goku is guilty for not giving much thought about his son during his trek, like wondering if Gohan's safety was confirmed (especially since Piccolo was still alive, still evil, and still capable of exacting some revenge). Instead, he devoted this period to getting to Kaio-sama and recieving his training, not bothering to know about anything about his son. In that responsibility, he has much to answer for.Kami probably assured him that Gohan is indeed safe and sound before sending him to see King Emma.

And considering Goku spends the next 13 months in Other World, and we only see about a month and a half at most (2 1/4 months if Goku really did spend that long chasing Bubbles), he had plenty of time to think about his family.

[G1Ravage]

Good episode, as always.

I would have to say that I liked Goku's funny sounding escort in the original dub better.
That was Scott McNeil.

FUNi kept the GOOD line about Goku telling the guide he studies the "Kame-sen'nin" style of martial arts (which was never in the Japanese version to begin with), but Schemmel pronounced it wrong.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

a pair of good episodes yesterday and today but now the whole boring snakeway stuff starts :( DBZ has started making chumps of the great DB characters with Kami being picked on by Yama thats mean

[Mugen]

I thought today's episode was very good. It's the aftermath of the Raditz fight and everyone is left wondering what to do. I always liked the Gohan being trained by Piccolo episodes because of the wonderful character development for both. Piccolo becomes the teacher, mentor, and even a father figure during these episodes. These traits especially come into play when Piccolo is killed by Nappa and he starts to remember the memories he had training Gohan. Also, I loved the fact that this episode was uncut because we can see how Gohan doesn't want to be with Piccolo and Piccolo sees the power hidden inside Gohan but it would take time before it's fully unleashed. In the FUNimation/Saban version, with so many little cuts done for time and speed, you lose the emotion in the scene. It basically comes down to, "Hey Gohan, your dad is gone, the Saiyans are coming to Earth in one year, and oh by the way, you have hidden powers. Let me throw you into a mountain to show it."

[Warrior Kitana]

Ah yes, this is the beginning of what makes Piccolo eventually become (in my opinion) one of the most developed characters in the series. I've always loved the Piccolo/Gohan friendship. Poor Gohan would eventually go to experience some of the most traumatic things of his life. I also kinda found ChiChi's daydream about Gohan training with Master Roshi funny.

Does anyone think Kuririn, Kame-sen'nin, and Buruma were a bit selfish and shallow for letting Piccolo get away with Gohan? Yeah, I know, Kuririn is afraid of Piccolo, especially considering what the Daimou did to him eight years before. However, Gohan is his best friend's son, and he feared the kid would join Piccolo's Mazoku. He should have at least attempted some rescue.
Well, Krillen and Bulma always had a bit of a coward within them. Maybe Krillen was afraid of being killed again, seeing that he is the guy most likely to die in battle. Wasn't he willing to let Trunks and Goten fight Buu in the Buu saga. As for Bulma, she's used to standing behind the guys and letting them defend/protect her.

As for Goku, I'll partially give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he did not know what was happening to his son during his first six month trek to Kaio-sama (it would be then that he probably found out). He probably thought his son was returned to Chichi, and Kami-sama purposely said nothing to contradict his belief, feeling it would affect his training. I would bet that if Goku knew about his son's situation when it was happening, he would do something to change it.
However, I would say that Goku is guilty for not giving much thought about his son during his trek, like wondering if Gohan's safety was confirmed (especially since Piccolo was still alive, still evil, and still capable of exacting some revenge). Instead, he devoted this period to getting to Kaio-sama and recieving his training, not bothering to know about anything about his son. In that responsibility, he has much to answer for.
I take it you're no Goku fan. You must not think highly of him as a father, huh? I agree with you about him negecting his responsibilities. That happens to be the first of many situations where he abandons his responsibilities to train, as seen after the Namek planet is destroyed and goes off to some other planet to train a year, when he decides to stay dead after the defeat of Cell, and when he leaves his family to train Uub at the end of DBZ. It's no wonder many say that Vegeta is the better father than Goku.

[Duke]

I agree with you about him negecting his responsibilities. That happens to be the first of many situations where he abandons his responsibilities to train,Goku doesn't really have much of a choice here, though. In 1 year, two aliens with immense power are going to come and kill anybody and everybody they come across. The only chance Goku has to gain the power neccessary to defeat these aliens happens to be in a place only dead people can go to.

[Jack Frenzy]

I can't help but wonder how anyone as big as King Enma managed to stand on Snake Way, let alone complete the journey.

[G1Ravage]

I wonder if the subs for this episode on the DVD will have Piccolo's line: "Curse your fate, as I have done mine!"?
Not word for word, but it's there.

[CyberCubed]

Does anyone find it odd that they said only 1 person made it across Snake Way, yet later in the Buu Saga during the Pikkon saga they show a bunch of King Kai's older students?

I mean even if that's filler, surely Goku isn't the only person to ever recieve training under King Kai.

[Dark Fact]

I can't help but wonder how anyone as big as King Enma managed to stand on Snake Way, let alone complete the journey.
Umm...Snake Way is made of solid fiberglass? :shrug:

Goku doesn't really have much of a choice here, though. In 1 year, two aliens with immense power are going to come and kill anybody and everybody they come across. The only chance Goku has to gain the power neccessary to defeat these aliens happens to be in a place only dead people can go to.
That's no excuse for him to not at least worry about the condition of his son.

Anyways, first episode of Volume 3 begins tonight. Gohan's gonna have nature calling on him....literally and figuratively. ;)

[bigddan11]

Does anyone find it odd that they said only 1 person made it across Snake Way, yet later in the Buu Saga during the Pikkon saga they show a bunch of King Kai's older students?

I mean even if that's filler, surely Goku isn't the only person to ever recieve training under King Kai.
Keep in mind though that the other students didn't go through Earth's checkout station, with the exception of Olibu, and who knows if Olibu was before King Yema or after.

[Duke]

That's no excuse for him to not at least worry about the condition of his son.And we know he doesn't...how? Remember, he spends the next 6 months traveling Snake Way. Six months. We only see about a week's worth of traveling, if that. And once we get to King Kai's, the only training we ever see of Goku is him chasing Bubbles & Gregory. Not to mention that little time period from when Kami whisked Goku away to when they were standing in front of Emma.

In short, there was plenty of time for Goku to worry about his wife and son. Just because the anime doesn't show it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[G1Ravage]

Keep in mind though that the other students didn't go through Earth's checkout station, with the exception of Olibu, and who knows if Olibu was before King Yema or after.
It's not just Earth's check in station. It's for that whole quadrant of the universe.

Regardless, that whole mini-saga with the Otherworld Tournament is filler. It's bound to have plotholes.

[Ninja Murasaki]

I think that escort is voiced by Sonny Strait in the New dub. It sounds simmilar to Piano and General Blue, which he voiced in Dragon Ball.Interesting. I definitly liked General Blue's voicer in Dragonball. It's funny that I didn't notice it was the same guy. I've watched Dragonball a lot.

Looking forward to tonight.

[G1Ravage]

Everyone should go to the bathroom before watching tonight's episode. :zim:

[creeper]

i really hate the opening

[G1Ravage]

Tonight's episode:

English - "Day 1"

Japanese - "Survival with Dinosaurs! Gohan's Harsh Training"

[creeper]

are they reinstating gohan and the robot?

[FireStarterLE]

are they reinstating gohan and the robot?yes they are. FUNimation isn't skipping or leaving out anything for this go round

and it was as good as i've heard it was, though i did picture the robot differently

[Rabi~en~Rose]

Day 1 isn't much of a episode title :sweat: I only saw up until Gohan got stuck on the cliff and then I fell asleep somehow :confused:

[creeper]

it looks like goku has less ki control that piccolo does. He'd be able to fly the whole way otherwise.

I guess the orphan ep will be aired too....escape from piccolo right?

[Kazuya Prower]

They shown Gohan peeing! :D This won't be the last.

[James Bester]

They shown Gohan peeing! :D This won't be the last.Yep, and I'm sure all of us enjoyed seeing that:shrug:

Overall, the episode itself was okay. Best part was at the end where Piccolo basically gives the two apples to Gohan, and Gohan just complains even more. I was just waiting for Piccolo to take out the kid. Good thing this is one of the last episodes of Gohan crying everytime we see him. I give this one 7/10.

[CyberCubed]

Highlight of the episode was Krillin trying to explain to Chi Chi that her husband is dead and that her son is kidnapped. :D

[Dark Fact]

So how many cans of Mountain Dew did Gohan chug just to take all those breaks? :eek:

[Duke]

So how many cans of Mountain Dew did Gohan chug just to take all those breaks? :eek:We've only seen him pee once...so far.

And I never expected them to actually tie in Dead Zone with the anime continuity...

[Dark Fact]

Dead Zone is supposedly supposed to take place before Saiyan saga. Otherwise, that awful Garlic Jr. filler saga wouldn't make much sense. :sad:

[Duke]

Dead Zone is supposedly supposed to take place before Saiyan saga. Otherwise, that awful Garlic Jr. filler saga wouldn't make much sense. :sad:Then they should do what 99.9% of the fans do: pretend it doesn't exist.

[G1Ravage]

And I never expected them to actually tie in Dead Zone with the anime continuity...
How so?

[Duke]

How so?Krillin said that Gohan was kidnapped "again" and Ox-King said it had been a year since he saw Gohan last.

[CyberCubed]

Am I the only one who enjoyed the Garlic Jr. saga?

It was nice seeing them win without Goku for once.

[Duke]

Am I the only one who enjoyed the Garlic Jr. saga?

It was nice seeing them win without Goku for once.If the story, fights, and pretty much everything else was actually good, I wouldn't mind.

I personally don't give a damn if Goku's not there or not. If he was there, the saga still would've been the worst 10 episodes in DBZ's existance.

[Warrior Kitana]

And so continues the start of a lovely relationship (the one between Piccolo and Gohan that is)

It's pretty harsh of Piccolo to drop a four-year old in the middle of nowhere and expect him to fend for himself, but I guess it's all for the sake of protecting the earth.

It's nightfall and Krillen still hasn't told ChiChi the bad news. I know it'll be hard to tell a woman that her husband is dead and you let her son get kidnapped by her husband's arch enemy. But she's gotta know the news sooner or later. It's amazing that ChiChi or the Ox King haven't got on to the fact that Krillen's hiding something or why he's staying at their house for so long, without Goku being there of course.

[G1Ravage]

Krillin said that Gohan was kidnapped "again" and Ox-King said it had been a year since he saw Gohan last.
Was Gohan three years old in Movie 1? In any case, Ox-King says this in the Japanese version: "I ain't even seen him in over a year now."

Kuririn said that Gohan was kidnapped "again" while he was mumbling to himself outside. It's possible that in the heat of the moment, he was referring to when Gohan was originally kidnapped by Raditz, and didn't realize at the time that Chichi still doesn't know about that.

[Umino]

Krillin said that Gohan was kidnapped "again"
I thought he was just referring to Gohan getting kidnapped by Raditz, then Piccolo.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

If the story, fights, and pretty much everything else was actually good, I wouldn't mind.

I personally don't give a damn if Goku's not there or not. If he was there, the saga still would've been the worst 10 episodes in DBZ's existance.
Garlic Junior>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fake Namek

[G1Ravage]

The script was pretty good for today's episode, but FUNi failed to mention a number of important things.

Firstly, while Piccolo is explaining to Gohan that he should just try and stay alive out here, he warns Gohan not to try and escape, because surrounding these plains in nothing but a hellish desert.

Secondly, in the scene where Kami and Mr. Popo are discussing things, Kami says something surprising. He tells Popo that when someone is killed by a member of the Demon Clan, their spririts don't go the Next World. They linger around on the earth, forever in pain and anguish. But Kami tells Popo how Raditz went straight to Lord Yama's checkpoint when he died. This is how Kami and Popo come to the conclusion that perhaps Piccolo's changing.

Also worth noting, is that in the DVD credits of this episode, where they actually match the actors with the characters they play, they list a character called "Tien's Mom". They must be talking about the dead woman with three eyes at the "dead bar" we see Fortuneteller Baba at. But that is NOT Tenshinhan's mother, and FUNi's got no business trying to make people think that she is.

[Duke]

Garlic Junior>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fake NamekFake Namek had Bulma cutely singing the OG Dragonball dub opening. Plus the most interesting Dragonball hunt ever seen in DBZ.

[Umino]

Also worth noting, is that in the DVD credits of this episode, where they actually match the actors with the characters they play, they list a character called "Tien's Mom". They must be talking about the dead woman with three eyes at the "dead bar" we see Fortuneteller Baba at. But that is NOT Tenshinhan's mother, and FUNi's got no business trying to make people think that she is.
HAHAHAHA.

That's really funny, man do they look like jackasses for doing that.

Speaking of Tenshinhan..

When does Lunch appear?

[G1Ravage]

HAHAHAHA.

That's really funny, man do they look like jackasses for doing that.

Speaking of Tenshinhan..

When does Lunch appear?
I think the week after next. She stays for a while, and then disappears again. :shrug:

[G1Ravage]

Fake Namek had Bulma cutely singing the OG Dragonball dub opening.
Well then, in order to keep the redub in continuity with the "redub" of Dragon Ball, they'll have to make Bulma sing the English version of Makafushigi Adventure. :evil:

[creeper]

And so continues the start of a lovely relationship (the one between Piccolo and Gohan that is)

It's pretty harsh of Piccolo to drop a four-year old in the middle of nowhere and expect him to fend for himself, but I guess it's all for the sake of protecting the earth.


Piccolo had to go through life all by himself because goku killed his father. This is pretty much the way piccolo grew up. Imagine being a little kid all by yourself, and you know that some guy killed your dad, and that you hate him.

G1Ravage, could you give more info on this. I only know bits and pieces. Am I on point about piccolo?

[fanboy]

I think the week after next. She stays for a while, and then disappears again. :shrug:She is in episodes 11, 12, 13 and 30.

In episode 11 she is robing a bank, in episode 12 the episode is mostly about her, in episode 13 she is following Tien to the Lookout and in episode 30 she is drunked.

[G1Ravage]

Piccolo had to go through life all by himself because goku killed his father. This is pretty much the way piccolo grew up. Imagine being a little kid all by yourself, and you know that some guy killed your dad, and that you hate him.

G1Ravage, could you give more info on this. I only know bits and pieces. Am I on point about piccolo?
That's something I never thought of before: The fact that Piccolo spent his whole childhood growing up without a father. But then I remembered that Piccolo grew up after...what, three years? Demons grow up pretty fast, eh? And upon further thought, I decided that, had Piccolo's father (Piccolo Daimao) still been alive, they wouldn't have had much of a love-love relationship anyway. So I don't think Piccolo grew up with a hate for Goku simply because he killed his father, but rather Piccolo hates Goku because of the hate instilled inside of him by the power of his father, and his final words.

[rrznn]

they need to add unedited dragon ball episodes. Theres many edited scenes in many

[Umino]

I think the week after next. She stays for a while, and then disappears again. :shrug:
*cries*

I wish Toriyama didn't forget her, she's like the best female character in DBZ. :crying:

[Dark Fact]

Then they should do what 99.9% of the fans do: pretend it doesn't exist.
It would be simple if they didn't bring back that airhead Marrin in Season 4.

[CyberCubed]

Anyone notice that Baba had Frieza's voice? Same VA from Dragonball.

[Sketch]

Yep. We've heard her voice Baba on the later episodes of DBZ as well.

Well the Top 30 for young viewers came out but there was no sign of DBZ anywhere. Nick totally dominated the younger viewer ratings and Adult Swim dominated the 9-14 and up.