Talkback: Dragon Ball Z Uncut [6/14 - 6/16]

[G1Ravage]

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Original Title: "The Mightiest Warrior in All of History is Goku's Older Brother!"


On the last episode of Dragon Ball ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ: It's been five years since Goku defeated Piccolo at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. Since then, he's married Chichi, moved to Mount Paozu, and has had a son named Gohan. On the day Goku plans to attend a reunion with his friends at Kame House, a mysterious man arrives on Earth in a small space pod. Who is this powerful being, who even Piccolo couldn't stand up to?? And who is this Kakarrot person he's searching for?? You will find out tonight.


Since there're only two more episodes this week, I'm gonna make separate episode Talkbacks for tonight and tomorrow, since it's probably easier than going back, and editing the original thread from yesterday and altering the poll and such. Next Monday, we'll do the more normal weekly Talkback.


As always, no spoilers. And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't go screaming out things that "weren't edited" in tonight's episode. Even if we think it's allowed at TV-PG.

---EDIT BY COOKIES---
We've changed the DBZ Uncut talkbacks to a weekly ordeal! It cuts down on clutter on the forums guys. Anyway, please enjoy talking about the series here.

[livingfruitvirus]

This is a long opening.

[G1Ravage]

TV-PG!

Random bit of trivia: The "red" opening sequence FUNimation created for these episodes is 1 minute and 48 seconds long...the same length as the original Japanese opening sequence.

And how often does Cartoon Network allow an OP that long to air? Not very often.

[G1Ravage]

This is a long opening.
STOP READING MY MIND

[livingfruitvirus]

And how often does Cartoon Network allow an OP that long to air? Not very often.When it's not packaged by a programming block.

[Ninja Murasaki]

TVPG!:D

And the Cartoon Network girl even announced that Dragonball Z was next. She talked about how powerful the characters were.

[Kazuya Prower]

O_o Wow

[KnightusMaximus]

I won't say anything, except..

Thank you Cartoon Network.

I'm so proud of my channel.

[G1Ravage]

O.O

[livingfruitvirus]

michael jackson would be pleased with this

[Tash]

O.OSeconded.

But remember everyone:
Don't make a big deal out of Goku's body, or we'll never see it again.

[NickWhiz1]

Cartoon Network wins.

That's all that needs to be said.

[Fatneck]

Oh man, I forgot how comical the reaction shots were.

[G1Ravage]

michael jackson would be pleased with this
ROFL

This is great. Cartoon Network wasn't lying when they said it was uncut.

[RedBoot]

Part of me thinks I witnessed history. The other part is somewhat frightened.

[livingfruitvirus]

Oh man, I forgot how comical the reaction shots were.yes. why's krillin missing a tooth?

BTW, there was a blood edit Chris Psaros never caught during the original airing. Dope.

[NickWhiz1]

yes. why's krillin missing a tooth?
You'd be missing a tooth too if you got tailslapped through a wall.

[G1Ravage]

yes. why's krillin missing a tooth?
Maybe it was knocked out of his mouth when he was knocked into the house by Raditz a few minutes earlier?

[Youko Recca]

I agree, it is funny to see them over-react. However it is awesome that CN is delivering what they promised.

[Hyper Shadow]

But he was missing the tooth before he got slapped..

[Tash]

But he was missing the tooth before he got slapped.....Walnut accedent?

Edit: My little brother wants to know when they start cussing.

[G1Ravage]

...Walnut accedent?

Edit: My little brother wants to know when they start cussing.
Never.

Well, at least not in the first three episodes.

But knowing FUNimation....never.

[Ishtar]

Never.

Well, at least not in the first three episodes.

But knowing FUNimation....never.Unless they do for that one ep later if you know what I mean?

[Rabi~en~Rose]

not as good as the first episode because I never could stand Raditz :mad: poor Gohan :(

[livingfruitvirus]

My little brother wants to know when they start cussing.Tell him to buy a DVD and turn on the subtitles.

[CyberCubed]

Roshi: I'm so happy, I could just squeeze you!

::SLAP!::

Bulma: Why did I think you could ever change?

:D

[G1Ravage]

Unless they do for that one ep later if you know what I mean?
That wouldn't be swearing, in that case. ;)

[A.Magik]

When the 1st edited episode of DBZ was rerun May 2002, I wrote a thread on google, retrospecting about a certain scene. I recieved some 'get a life!' responses, but I expect better here. Note the mistake of 'Mirai'. At the time I thought it meant 'adult' (Mirai/Chibi Trunks), not 'future.'

'Considering this is the first episode of DBZ (or rather, the splicing of several episodes together), I feel something should be said about a certain plot point in this first story.
The scene of Goku's arrival at the reunion has been a famous picture used in sites. It is of Goku waving hello to his friends while holding his 4-year old son Gohan in his arm. This picture, as it appeared in the manga, is important for several reasons. It marks the first appearance of Son Gohan. We see him looking wary, tugging at his father's GI for protection. This presents a kid-gloves personality that the child will soon grow out of. One day the boy will walk on his own feet, and he will no longer be a scared, helpless child.
Most important of all, the picture introduces a new dimension in Goku: That of a parent. This must have caused a stir to the readers back then (probably about as shocking as seeing Mirai Goku for the 1st time). The young boy now has a young boy of his own. As a father, the child is now fully established as an adult.
In retrospect this proved to be a successful change, as Gohan became one of the most popular characters in DBZ. It was the father-and-son relationship that got me first interested in watching the show. However, there has been some criticisms to this role in Goku. The detraction seems to be based on a view that Goku's happy-go-lucky, free spirit personality doesn't mix well with the responsibilities of fatherhood. In later stories, this mixture would come to haunt Goku, making him a less likable character (It's one thing to take a long absence from friends; quite another when the one you're leaving is your son). Perhaps there is logic to that idea. Maybe Goku should never have been a father. On the other hand, if that was the case, I probably would not be watching DBZ (something I would consider a travesty).'

More comments:
-Aaw! More Goku-cuddles-Gohan moments.
-As was shown in last episode, the Turtle costumes went through some color changes since DB. The Gi's gone from red to orange, with the turtle signs from yellow to white.
-Favorite and hottest version of Buruma. Yamucha's a ladies man!
-Again did they get Gohan's age wrong. Well, it's better than 5 1/2! (Though the new one suggests that Gohan's birth was premature)
-Did I spot genitals?
-I would consider Son Gohan's parenting on Goku a better reason for Goku's good-guy personality. All the head injury did was give him amnesia. If his behavior was all due to a concussion, then the best remedy for Vejita, Nappa, and Raditz would be a sledgehammer to the head!

A.Magik

[Eddy]

Master Roshi is finally able to express himself.

[DemonBoy]

Man, I feel abit like, we were in Japan for that moment, I wonder if a parent will complain about it, mostly someone's mommy? Glad they put down TV-PG and Not a Y7-FV. They now called Gohan a 4 1/2 year old, even though it condratics (Sp?) a previous FUNi statement saying he was 5 and making him a year older than he should be. Even though it still faithful to Ocean group script, still good stuff, even though I have the DVD and the boxset. I give 4 Z.

[Demonic Raven]

Hooray for Roshi in all of his uncut glory. :D

Some parts like Gohan playing with the crab was funny. Now that I've listened a little more, it's pretty easy to tell that it was Justin Cook as Raditz. Not a big deal though, his Raditz is okay. The episode was average, I'll give it an 8/10.

However, CN gets a 10/10. They have balls and aren't afraid to show it.

....that sounded horribly wrong...

[maximumzero]

ROFL

This is great. Cartoon Network wasn't lying when they said it was uncut.

Okay, wut? Explain.

[James Bester]

I never expected CN to actually do this for us. Awesome. They actually kept it "uncut". This opens up so many possibilities.

Anyway, now to the episode itself. It wasn't as boring as the first episode, but it still moved slow. The good parts for me were the beginning with Roshi and Bulma and how Goku was the only one besides Gohan who didn't know about the full moon transformation. The rest was okay, but like I said, slow. Once again, I give it ****.

[One Radical Dude]

Despite not having the original soundtrack (I didn't see last night's ep), it looks like FUNi had done a better job (most of the cast have improved). I didn't like Raditz's voice all that much, though. I opened my eyes wide open, when I saw the TV-PG rating. It looks like things are going to get more interesting in the future.

[livingfruitvirus]

BTW folks who haven't seen the uncut version, tomorrow's episode is 100% safe. In fact, it's the episode that contained the infamous "tears painted away" shot.

[Kazuya Prower]

This gives me hope for episodes 5 & 13.

[Ikou]

Okay, wut? Explain. Well... lets said we saw Goku when he was an baby in a new way.

[G1Ravage]

While this episode was 100% uncut, the English dub suffered from some...bad lines, which were totally different from the Japanese script. Some things worth pointing out:

-Bulma and Yamucha haven't broken up, and Yamucha hasn't gone out with some other woman. Yamucha's popular with the ladies, but he ain't a player. He and Bulma had been fighting lately, which is why Bulma didn't tell him the reunion was taking place.

-Bulma originally asked Kuririn where Lunch was. Kuririn responds by saying that Lunch went chasing after Tenshinhan five years ago, and hasn't been seen since. This also tells the viewer that Kuririn and company have lost contact with Tenshinhan and Chaozu over the years.

-Gohan is four years old, not four and a half. But whatever.

-The planet Vegeta was destroyed TWENTY years ago, not three years ago, like dub Raditz says here.

[Kazuya Prower]

If Planet Vegeta was destroyed 3 years ago, wouldn't Goku be 3 years old? FUNi sure is smart.....

[Dark Fact]

So they left in Roshi's "squeeze you" line? Cool! Nobody commented on Roshi's beer yet. Is it in its all brown glory? :)

This gives me hope for episodes 5 & 13.
The Makkenkousouppo scene will be the biggest test yet for CN to see if they will truly honor their uncut promise. If that scene will be left completely unedited, CN ought to get an award! :)

However, CN gets a 10/10. They have balls and aren't afraid to show it.
Literally and figuratively speaking, of course. :rolleyes2

[DemonBoy]

I just relized something, if DBZ can get away with this stuff than, Naruto can be near uncut also providing it get the same timeslot. even though I know DBZ and Naruto are done different dubbing company. And does tommorow episode qualify as a TV Y7-FV or a TV PG, I'm the kinda man who doesn't care about how the rating system works or what rating my favorite anime recieves on TV, but since it seem that CN is keeping it word on DBZ:U, I'm now a bit curious on what the rating that episode will receive.

[Dark Fact]

DemonBoy, I wouldn't think that far ahead. While it is nice to see that CN is making a BIG attempt at giving us viewers an unedited DBZ, it doesn't mean that Naruto could go through the same treatment. After all, isn't going to be airing on Toonami? In that slot, content will have to be edited to suit broadcast standards.

[Sketch]

I could see Naruto airing nearly uncut with these standards they'd probably censor some dialogue though. CN seems more opposed to coarse language than to uncut footage.

[livingfruitvirus]

-The planet Vegeta was destroyed TWENTY years ago, not three years ago, like dub Raditz says here.Gee. You'd think they'd fix something like that. :/


"Don't be afraid of him, men!"

[Sketch]

DemonBoy, I wouldn't think that far ahead. While it is nice to see that CN is making a BIG attempt at giving us viewers an unedited DBZ, it doesn't mean that Naruto could go through the same treatment. After all, isn't going to be airing on Toonami? In that slot, content will have to be edited to suit broadcast standards.
Which would be the standard of the rest of CN. And apparently CN can air TV-PG regularly after 10:30PM (10PM actually I believe).

[KnightusMaximus]

According to the Cartoon Network site, every episode is given a blanket rating of TV-PG..

I think the last episode was TV-PG as well, I figure they were just one day off syncing the rating with the new show airing in the timeslot. Airing some episodes TV-Y7 is a bad idea.. they should give a clear message that the show airing at 10:30PM should not be watched by 7 year olds.

[Sketch]

Yesturday was probably just an error.

[trunkschan90]

Well... lets said we saw Goku when he was an baby in a new way.XD I find it amazing that when spanish dbz was shown on spanish channel it was rated TV Y7 with that scene (ep 5 was completely unedited in the spanish channel) . Yet here it's PG o_o I guess parents are less paranoid in spanish countries

[CyberCubed]

If Planet Vegeta was destroyed 3 years ago, wouldn't Goku be 3 years old? FUNi sure is smart.....

Gee, you think they would realize what a big error that is.

[bigddan11]

Well, the DVD's rate the episodes as TV PG as well, so it only makes since for all the uncut episodes to be TV PG (unless CN throws in some digital edits, which I hope they don't).

[DemonBoy]

Well that okay Dark Fact, I'm not a big fan of Naruto Manga and I never saw the Anime in motion outside some avatars and the CNSKOS 2005 the Toonami part. But just imagine, PG show on at that time with that content, well better tell my English teacher not to let her daughter watch it until she old enough then, that is if she stay up at that time.

[livingfruitvirus]

(unless CN throws in some digital edits, which I hope they don't).You may hope not but I think some folk around the internet are. :sad:

[Pizzaguy24]

You may hope not but I think some folk around the internet are. :sad:
Maybe evening the PTC...:shrug:

[Master Moron]

Well that okay Dark Fact, I'm not a big fan of Naruto Manga and I never saw the Anime in motion outside some avatars and the CNSKOS 2005 the Toonami part. But just imagine, PG show on at that time with that content, well better tell my English teacher not to let her daughter watch it until she old enough then, that is if she stay up at that time.

Is uncut Naruto that bad? I mean, it was a kid's show in Japan, right? Would the people that have seen it really say that it's bad enough where parents should restrict their kids from watching it? Of course, some parents don't let their kids watch Cartoon Network, AT ALL, hell, I one time met this parent who was so strict that she wouldn't let her kids watch Disney movies(cause the bad guys die at the end). So, I guess it's all up to the individual, but in general is uncut Naruto inappropriate for kids?

As for Toonami and General CN having the same standards. I'm not sure, I mean, I'm wondering if there's a reason they're airing uncut Dragonball Z on primetime rather than on Toonami, besides of course, the large number of episodes. Besides, if the Toonami name is well known among kids they may not want to tarnish their image by airing a TV-PG show. Plus, Toonami airs on Saturday night, which kids have off from school, so they're more likely to stay up late, though I guess it doesn't matter in the summer...

[Fresh V]

I love CN.

[KnightusMaximus]

Kind of funny.. last year, with Static Shock/Jackie Chan Adventures pre-[adult swim] on weekdays, and with Yu Yu Hakusho and Rurouni Kenshin/Gundam SEED on Toonami, there was no question that we all thought the first TV-PG series to air on CN off of AS would have to be Toonami, as that was the only place tweens were given any lip service. A look at the CN schedule indicated 2-11 was all that had a chance on weekdays.

Now, with DBZ Uncut.. it's sort of become the other way around. People have their doubts that Toonami can advance to the next stage.. but I think there's no avoiding the maturity Toonami will have to go through starting this fall.

(Loved the episode itself, by the way. I know some people find it slow, but I savor it.)

[livingfruitvirus]

Maybe evening the PTC...:shrug:Actually I mean the dumb anime fans out there who are hoping it's edited so they can all point their finger at CN and say "See? I was right!", because if CN stays true to their word, they'll all look like idiots. And being right is more important than the "butchering" of one's beloved Japanimation.

[Tash]

Is uncut Naruto that bad? I mean, it was a kid's show in Japan, right? Would the people that have seen it really say that it's bad enough where parents should restrict their kids from watching it?It's no worse than Dragonball Z uncut, but it does get pretty brutal.

[Duke]

Y'know, it'd be interesting if, 10 years from now, we get a young anime fan who has never seen or heard anything Dragonball before, and sit him/her down to watch all 500+ episodes.

Mainly, I just want to see their reactions to the two Piccolo sagas & the Vegeta/Freeza Sagas, since much of their impact was lost on us due to the show's troubled beginnings.

[Daizaburo Estes]

Hmmm. Didn't know it was playing tonight. Aw, no matter...

While this episode was 100% uncut, the English dub suffered from some...bad lines, which were totally different from the Japanese script. Some things worth pointing out:

-Bulma and Yamucha haven't broken up, and Yamucha hasn't gone out with some other woman. Yamucha's popular with the ladies, but he ain't a player. He and Bulma had been fighting lately, which is why Bulma didn't tell him the reunion was taking place.

-Bulma originally asked Kuririn where Lunch was. Kuririn responds by saying that Lunch went chasing after Tenshinhan five years ago, and hasn't been seen since. This also tells the viewer that Kuririn and company have lost contact with Tenshinhan and Chaozu over the years.

-Gohan is four years old, not four and a half. But whatever.

-The planet Vegeta was destroyed TWENTY years ago, not three years ago, like dub Raditz says here.
Oh! Wow, some of these are actually new to me given...I'm not a DBZ dub-watcher...and all. Hats off to you, G1, for spreading the word!

[G1Ravage]

I look forward to seeing the numbers for these episodes.

[Sketch]

Sheesh... As I learned when I watched the Tree of Might movie... Toei can't draw THAT worth crap.

Given that Raditz said a comet destroyed the planet 3 years ago... He may have not know Planet Vegeta was destroyed 20 years ago. However... I guess that can only be confirmed by watching the Japanese version with subs.

[G1Ravage]

Given that Raditz said a comet destroyed the planet 3 years ago... He may have not know Planet Vegeta was destroyed 20 years ago. However... I guess that can only be confirmed by watching the Japanese version with subs.
In the Japanese version, Raditz doesn't mention a time frame. I don't think we find out until the Freeza saga.

[Daikun]

If Planet Vegeta was destroyed 3 years ago, wouldn't Goku be 3 years old?
...And yet have a son who is a year (and a half) older than him? :p

[Yash]

"Don't be afraid of him, men!""I've known Goku since he was about five years old!"

FUNi's DBZ isn't the best at filling in plotholes, only digging them.

[Kazuya Prower]

Goku was at least 12 when he met Bulma in DragonBall.

[Vekou]

Sheesh... As I learned when I watched the Tree of Might movie... Toei can't draw THAT worth crap. If you're talking about what I think you're talking about...

When it comes to little kids, that's how "they" are drawn the same way in every other anime I've seen that has something like that. Toriyama draws "them" like that as well. And have you actually seen a baby or toddler nude before? 'Cause that's pretty much what "they" look like.

Before you ask, I have a baby stepbrother. I'm not a pervert or anything, I'm just saying. Plus, do you really want more detail?

The way Funimation's writers have screwed the timeline of Goku's life over again is hilarious (3 years ago? Have these idiots even watched the show?!). And Gohan's, too, but to a lesser extent.

If they're going to reuse all of the stupid/ inaccurate dialogue from the original dub again, does this mean we'll get to hear "Don't worry, I can see their parachutes," "Too bad it's a Sunday or all these buildings would be full," "Just you wait 'till it grows back," "Kami-san," or, my personal favorite, "Your father was a brilliant scientist" again?

[Kazuya Prower]

Or even worse......"I'll send you to the Next Dimension!"

[G1Ravage]

If they're going to reuse all of the stupid/ inaccurate dialogue from the original dub again, does this mean we'll get to hear "Don't worry, I can see their parachutes," "Too bad it's a Sunday or all these buildings would be full," "Just you wait 'till it grows back," "Kami-san," or, my personal favorite, "Your father was a brilliant scientist" again?
I guarantee you the "brilliant scientist" line will be left in. I mean, what else is FUNi gonna do? They're certainly not going to translate the lines from the Japanese version and talk about the Brutis Waves! Heavens forbid!

I think the others will be fixed. Maybe.

[Eddy]

"You cut off my tail! And now I'm going to EAT YOU!"

[Kazuya Prower]

"Haven't you heard the story of David & Goliath?"

[CyberCubed]

You know, when the Saiyan saga was first airing in Japan these episodes had to be a MAJOR shocker.

I mean in the U.S. we were exposed to DBZ before Dragonball, so it's not like we all watched Goku's adventures as a kid.

But for the Japanese, the 2nd episode was a shocker.

I mean, Goku is an alien? OMG! Goku is a Saiyan sent from Space to destroy planets! OMFG! Goku has an older brother? OMGWTF! Goku has a son!? OMGWTFLOL!

The second episode really revealed a lot. In Japan people always assumed Goku was human when Dragonball was airing, so to find out he was really from outer space had to shock some people.

[Sketch]

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about...

When it comes to little kids, that's how "they" are drawn the same way in every other anime I've seen that has something like that. Toriyama draws "them" like that as well. And have you actually seen a baby or toddler nude before? 'Cause that's pretty much what "they" look like.

Before you ask, I have a baby stepbrother. I'm not a pervert or anything, I'm just saying. Plus, do you really want more detail?

The way Funimation's writers have screwed the timeline of Goku's life over again is hilarious (3 years ago? Have these idiots even watched the show?!). And Gohan's, too, but to a lesser extent.

If they're going to reuse all of the stupid/ inaccurate dialogue from the original dub again, does this mean we'll get to hear "Don't worry, I can see their parachutes," "Too bad it's a Sunday or all these buildings would be full," "Just you wait 'till it grows back," "Kami-san," or, my personal favorite, "Your father was a brilliant scientist" again?
No I don't want more detail and I suppose that is fair. I'd prefer not to see ANYTHING actually. But at least it was brief.

I really hope a certain line from the Namek saga remains in this dub. "I saw an opening that just seemed to scream attack! So I did." That was when Goku beat down Recoome.

[Tien85]

So far I am liking what I am seeing, I am glad CN isn't as dull as I originally thought. I think this might be the start of a future Toonami takeover on Weekday nights (though thats just my opinion). Unfortunatly I missed the first 8-10 minutes, could someone please fill me in on what I missed?

[Freedom Fighter]

Okay, I watched DBZ uncut for the first time last night, and I have these things to say...

1) The OP and ED for this aren't very lively. But I'm guessing FUNi is trying to draw in the long-time fans, not new ones. I'm also going to add... for such a low-key OP, it's way, way too long.
2) Seeing all that new footage (stuff that was left out and stuff originally unsuitable), plus the stuff the anime on AS is now getting away with that they couldn't before has me hopeful that CN is ratcheting up the content that they find allowable. That's why I'm loving CN more and more these days... they may still be trying to cater to their main demographics and catch up with Nick in the ratings, but at the same time, they find ways to entertain the older fans too.

As for this 2nd episode itself, I got a real nostalgia trip seeing these scenes again. To be blunt, I don't even remember any of the voices from the old dub, so the voices for FUNi's dub seem like they've always been there to me.

The episode itself earns a 7, which included an extra point for the PG-ness of it all.

You know, when the Saiyan saga was first airing in Japan these episodes had to be a MAJOR shocker.

I mean in the U.S. we were exposed to DBZ before Dragonball, so it's not like we all watched Goku's adventures as a kid.

But for the Japanese, the 2nd episode was a shocker.

I mean, Goku is an alien? OMG! Goku is a Saiyan sent from Space to destroy planets! OMFG! Goku has an older brother? OMGWTF! Goku has a son!? OMGWTFLOL!

The second episode really revealed a lot. In Japan people always assumed Goku was human when Dragonball was airing, so to find out he was really from outer space had to shock some people.To be technical, Dragonball aired the Pilaf saga (the first 13 episodes) in syndication in 1995. But it wasn't very popular, which was why they jumped to DBZ in 1996.

But yeah... if we had gone through all of DB before DBZ, then I'm sure a lot of us, myself included, would've shared the Japanese's reaction to all of these revelations of DBZ Episode 2.

[Master Moron]

You know, when the Saiyan saga was first airing in Japan these episodes had to be a MAJOR shocker.

I mean in the U.S. we were exposed to DBZ before Dragonball, so it's not like we all watched Goku's adventures as a kid.

But for the Japanese, the 2nd episode was a shocker.

I mean, Goku is an alien? OMG! Goku is a Saiyan sent from Space to destroy planets! OMFG! Goku has an older brother? OMGWTF! Goku has a son!? OMGWTFLOL!

The second episode really revealed a lot. In Japan people always assumed Goku was human when Dragonball was airing, so to find out he was really from outer space had to shock some people.

Actually, the Pilaf saga aired in the U.S. before Dragonball Z aired. Actually, though, it's kind of odd that Akira Toriyama waited so long before explaining why Goku has a tail and can turn into a Giant Ape, I mean, I know it's because it was based on the Monkey King Legend, but it's still kind of odd that he has a tail and can turn into a monster. Then again, he NEVER explains why Tenshinhan has a third eye. Maybe he's an alien too? Actually, I guess with all the weird looking creatures and strange happenings in the Dragonball universe having a tail and turning into a monster really isn't that unusual.

Anyway, they probably would have known that Goku was an alien before the episode aired, since the manga was available before the anime aired.

[Sailor Namek]

I think it's interesting to hear the different voice inflections that the lines that remain the same are given. Actually, they sound more serious and not as funny as before. I remember writing down a bunch of quotes from DBZ because they cracked me up; not so much because of their content, but because of the way they were said. Btw, does Krillin really say that line to Raditz about egg nog in the original Japanese? o.o

[Ishtar]

Or even worse......"I'll send you to the Next Dimension!"They don't mention the Next Dimension. I have volume 3 and they say that Goku is dead and they call the afterlife "Otherworld" like in the later dub eps. A line I am worried will be kept in is when Goku originall realizes that he killed Grandpa Gohan by transforming, but in the original dub he says that Vegeta somehow came and stomped his Grandfather by transforming.

[PowerZord]

So far CN kept his promise and kept everything in place or that I at least remenber.

I forgot the spanish episode title for this one, but I did a little google search.

2 - Un guerrero muy fuerte con antecedentes históricos.
Se trata del hermano mayor de Goku.

English: "A warrior with a history, It's Goku oldest brother"

Yeah I know the first page mentioned the original tittle, but I decided to post the Spanish one as well, since in Spanish is uncut.

BTW one question, since it's been a couple of years that I seen these eps in spanish:

When is the episode that Roshi tells to Goku, His true story. that as a todler he used to be evil, but then fell off a cliff, and never regained his memories.

[PowerZord]

XD I find it amazing that when spanish dbz was shown on spanish channel it was rated TV Y7 with that scene (ep 5 was completely unedited in the spanish channel) . Yet here it's PG o_o I guess parents are less paranoid in spanish countries

Here on PR, aired at the same rating, TV Y7. And I remenber that it used to air on Saturday mornings and weekday afternoons.

Only once aired at 5:30a.m

here on PR there are some Paranoid parents, just less than in The United states

[Riza Hawkeye]

When is the episode that Roshi tells to Goku, His true story. that as a todler he used to be evil, but then fell off a cliff, and never regained his memories.
That happened in last night's episode.

[Zero Kagayaki]

It not that bad.....that was red blood last night

[Master Moron]

They don't mention the Next Dimension. I have volume 3 and they say that Goku is dead and they call the afterlife "Otherworld" like in the later dub eps. A line I am worried will be kept in is when Goku originall realizes that he killed Grandpa Gohan by transforming, but in the original dub he says that Vegeta somehow came and stomped his Grandfather by transforming.

I always thought that was a joke. I remember laughing at that line as a kid because Goku was so dumb that he didn't even realize that he killed his grandfather.

[Dark Fact]

In the spanish dub, the narrator keeps referring to Raditz as being "Fuerte". What does this translate to?

I think it's interesting to hear the different voice inflections that the lines that remain the same are given. Actually, they sound more serious and not as funny as before. I remember writing down a bunch of quotes from DBZ because they cracked me up; not so much because of their content, but because of the way they were said. Btw, does Krillin really say that line to Raditz about egg nog in the original Japanese? o.o
The original japanese line is way funnier. Krillin tries to shoo Raditz off the island and says that he is some kind of crazy old man who had too many drinks in the morning. Afterwards, the tail slap! ;)

[PowerZord]

In the spanish dub, the narrator keeps referring to Raditz as being "Fuerte". What does this translate to?


The original japanese line is way funnier. Krillin tries to shoo Raditz off the island and says that he is some kind of crazy old man who had too many drinks in the morning. Afterwards, the tail slap! ;)


I don't remenber very well that episode, since it's been a couple of years.
But fuerte means "Strong"

[Kazuya Prower]

I have almost all the episodes subbed and Dark Fact was right about the Kuririn/Raditz scene.

[G1Ravage]

Btw, does Krillin really say that line to Raditz about egg nog in the original Japanese? o.o
In the Japanese version, Kuririn tells Raditz that he shouldn't be drunk so early in the day.

Of course the joke here is that Kuririn is a little drunk himself.

[Dark Fact]

I hear Raditz being called Fuerte over and over throughout the disc on the first volume with the spanish dub.

It seems that the narrator keeps saying: "Strong! Raditz is so strong!" :D

Oh, and did anyone catch Gohan's line about his sombrero? :D

[G1Ravage]

Well, coming up tonight is episode 3, "Unlikely Alliance". Original Japanese title: "All Right! This is the Strongest Combo in the World!"

As LFV mentioned earlier, this episode is 100% safe. There'll be no edits tonight.

[Youko Recca]

Heh, I remember loving the spanish dub. Still have a tape with the Piccolo versus Cell fight.


Anyway, here we go. Bring the green.

[Kazuya Prower]

I miss Piccolo's old voice.

[NickWhiz1]

I miss Piccolo's old voice.
Agreed. Scott McNeil owned as Piccolo. Sabat is pretty good, but he's no McNeil.

[maximumzero]

Wow. The new music is making this show feel so much more epic.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

No way, Sabat is much better then McNeil as Piccolo.

[G1Ravage]

FUNi's Power Levels:

Goku - 330
Piccolo - 320

Original Japanese Power Levels:

Goku - 332
Piccolo - 324

[Youko Recca]

Ooh, how intense.

EDIT: Gotta agree about the Scott thing.

[Tash]

I always thought that was a joke. I remember laughing at that line as a kid because Goku was so dumb that he didn't even realize that he killed his grandfather.I really hope so. Can you imagine if it was serious:
*Vegita's ship lands on Earth*
*Vegita jumps out of ship, and turns into a monkey midjump*
*Vegita lands and starts stomping Gohan Sr.*
Vegita: XD
*Vegita returns to ship and flies off*

Toei should animate that. I'd pay money to see that.

[Animeforever'04]

poor yu... i mean radits lol!

[Rabi~en~Rose]

ah DBZ how I never missed your episodes full of rambling on :p not a bad one but things really drug on and they leave you waiting for the good stuff at the end

[Ishtar]

ah DBZ how I never missed your episodes full of rambling on :p not a bad one but things really drug on and they leave you waiting for the good stuff at the endIf there's one thing that I did not miss in DBZ, it is the cliff hanger endings! Too bad there are no eps on Fridays because of CNF.

[A.Magik]

Is there anyone besides me who likes the drawing styles at this point?

I always liked Goku's breakdown, showing the depth of his feelings for Gohan. Save for the movies (e.g. Tree of Might), it will be a long time before such an emotional scene of fatherly concern from Goku to his eldest son happens again (like, say, in Buu).

Yet another opponent/rival of Goku's joins forces with him. This time, its one opponent without any previous hints of goodness.

Piccolo's warning that he wouldn't care less about Goku's son. Oh the irony!

Remember when the Saban edit had qualms about showing blood and gore from humanoid characters but no problem whatsoever displaying such gore from animals? (like the panther that became Raditz's lunch, or Chibi Chichi's bloody decapitation of a dinosaur back in DB)

A.Magik

[Demonic Raven]

Heh...Justin Cook can't sustain a yell without sounding alot like Yusuke. :p

Yeah, this episode didn't have many things to be uncut about. Oh well, there's always next week. I say 8/10.

[James Bester]

One word: slow. We barely even got into the fight at the end of the episode. Mainly just a bunch of talking and strange expressions. I give this one ***.

Next episode, we get to see Goku and Piccolo vs. Raditz Uncut:D

[creeper]

This is the only part of the saga I haven't seen subbed. How accurate is this dialouge? It sounds almost identical to the original dub.

Just thought. I bet piccolo has a lot more Ki control than goku. Goku is so relaxed when he uses the nimbus as where piccolo flies all the time. So Ki wise he's probaly has more stamina.

It's no wonder the devil's screw beam was so powerful compared to the kamehahaha. Against Goku he wouldn't need to charge so long, so I would say if they fought at that time Piccolo would have come out the victor. That's what I liked about early dragonball. It's not the Goku show. Stupid King Kai. Giving Goku all that training and power.

[G1Ravage]

This is the only part of the saga I haven't seen subbed. How accurate is this dialouge? It sounds almost identical to the original dub.[/SPOILER]
The dialogue is accurate only in a few places. The rest of the lines are copied from the Ocean dub.

[CyberCubed]

Man, it would have been cool to see Roshi and Krillin fight too. Ah well.

[Yash]

Ugh. They took out the "Speed of light! OMGZ!" line.

Loving Cook's performance.

[Duke]

And here we come to my biggest gripe about the new redub: They changed the pitches. They kept the script from the old Ocean dub, but the character's lines have new pitches and inflections to make them sound different, which really sucks since the old dub got them right.

The most glaring example is when Piccolo shows up at Kame House. Scott McNeil's had annoyance, arrogance, and contempt in his voice, but Chris Sabat's just has annoyance with a hint of arrogance.

[Samurai Karasu]

Justin Cook is the best Raditz ever.

It sucks ass that he only lasts till about five episodes <_<

[Rabi~en~Rose]

why did they keep so many old lines anyway :confused: video might be uncut but the dialogue :(

[G1Ravage]

why did they keep so many old lines anyway :confused: video might be uncut but the dialogue :(
Because they're lazy and don't care about the production values of the English dub.

[Kazuya Prower]

At least they're uncut. I'm looking forward to seeing episode 5, which is on Tuesday.

[PowerZord]

I spaced out and Tuned it in at 10:50p.m

But I seen this episode anyways, It's not the best.. Early DBZ is never been my fav.

Spanish title: "3 - La combinación más fuerte de este mundo."
Translated as: "The strongest combination of this world"

[Dark Fact]

So Gohan's tears are still there too? Good good.

This episode wasn't too bad. I only wished that FUNI would've kept in Piccolo's japanese theme music. (Notice that nobody talks until Piccolo's theme stops playing? :D )

The only real entertainment from this episode was Raditz spitting the fruit out. I'm not kidding.

[Sketch]

why did they keep so many old lines anyway :confused: video might be uncut but the dialogue :(
Never seen "uncut" FUNimation DBZ eh? I've been buying the "uncut" Cell Games discs and they're a joke... DBZ never got an "uncut" dub just uncut footage. They censor the dub a lot. Swearing and otherwise. The dub lines have and always will be cheezy. If you want slightly less censored DBZ you'll have to read Viz's manga releases but even those have a bit of censorship.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

Is Radditz really Goku's older brother? I don't remember that from before...

[G1Ravage]

YAY! Anime Castle just got DBZ Uncut volumes 2 and 3 in stock. I'm gonna head over there right now and pick 'em up so I can see episodes 4-9. :D

[G1Ravage]

Is Radditz really Goku's older brother? I don't remember that from before...
Yup. Much older, apparently.

[Mike JD Silva]

Never seen "uncut" FUNimation DBZ eh? I've been buying the "uncut" Cell Games discs and they're a joke... DBZ never got an "uncut" dub just uncut footage. They censor the dub a lot. Swearing and otherwise. The dub lines have and always will be cheezy. If you want slightly less censored DBZ you'll have to read Viz's manga releases but even those have a bit of censorship.
::shrugs:: I've always considered uncut to be about the footage. If it's all there an unaltered, it's uncut.

That, and choosing to not swear either is not censoring, considering it wasn't there to begin with.

[killer2004]

I agree. Uncut only means no cuts in the footage. Dubs with scripts closer to the original and have the Japanese music don't count as uncut.

[Sketch]

They've said "kuso" I know that much. But furthermore they westernize the dialogue and adlib plenty. But the subtitles are perfect so it doesn't really matter.

[Dark Fact]

My anime store got in Volume 3 but didn't get in Volume 2! What the HFIL? :eek:

[livingfruitvirus]

why did they keep so many old lines anyway :confused: video might be uncut but the dialogue :(Dub accuracy will be argued until we're all dead. In the end, Cartoon Network is running the uncut English dub.

[IanC]

DBZ doesnt have that much swearing in Japanese....

[CyberCubed]

Is Radditz really Goku's older brother? I don't remember that from before...

Obviously, you never heard that Radditz was Goku's brother before?

[Daizaburo Estes]

DBZ doesnt have that much swearing in Japanese....
That's absolutely right...

:D But AnimeLabs thought differently...

http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~vegex/guides/rumors/fansub_dialogue.shtml

[Sketch]

DBZ doesnt have that much swearing in Japanese....
It's very very tame. Stuff that wouldn't shock anyone in Japan. It might turn some parents heads in America though so they completely dropped all the cursing since it wasn't important anyway. Though honestly there is no way Goku only yelled "Noooooooooooooo!!!!" when Namek exploded. He should have broke the fourth wall and said "do you have any idea how bad this is!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!". None the less, whatever minor swearing the otaku want to see can be found on the subbed version which includes some "properly" translated "kuso" and the like. But swearing is relative in Japan and not there for shock value like in American shows. There are a few exceptions of course.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

Obviously, you never heard that Radditz was Goku's brother before?Last time I've seen these episodes was like 6 or 7 years ago, and I don't ever remember anyone or anything stating their being brothers. Seems like something I would have remembered. =/

[Vekou]

Is there anyone besides me who likes the drawing styles at this point? I hear you. I like Toriyama's style in later DB / early Z more than his later Z style.

[Master Moron]

Last time I've seen these episodes was like 6 or 7 years ago, and I don't ever remember anyone or anything stating their being brothers. Seems like something I would have remembered. =/

Well, it's kind of strange that Goku's brother is barely in the series at all, whereas Vegeta, who's unrelated to Goku, becomes a main character.

[Daizaburo Estes]

I hear you. I like Toriyama's style in later DB / early Z more than his later Z style.
Hear, hear! :)

[Dark Fact]

Now that Saiyan Showdown is out of the way, FUNimation will start the episodes from Piccolo's Plan. Business will pick up greatly in these next few episodes and will be the biggest test yet for Cartoon Network to keep its uncut promise.

[CyberCubed]

Well, it's kind of strange that Goku's brother is barely in the series at all, whereas Vegeta, who's unrelated to Goku, becomes a main character.

It's pretty strange that TOEI never made any filler with Radditz in hell.

You would think that that's a character TOEI would love to use again...but they never really showed Radditz or Nappa.

It was always friggin Frieza and the Ginyu force.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

It's pretty strange that TOEI never made any filler with Radditz in hell.

You would think that that's a character TOEI would love to use again...but they never really showed Radditz or Nappa.

It was always friggin Frieza and the Ginyu force.
And Cell.

[rabidrednek]

My only complaint about this episode is I thought the music was too loud, it was close to drowning out the voices. Other than that, I'm liking it.

[G1Ravage]

It's pretty strange that TOEI never made any filler with Radditz in hell.

You would think that that's a character TOEI would love to use again...but they never really showed Radditz or Nappa.

It was always friggin Frieza and the Ginyu force.
If I remember correctly, Raditz struggled with Lord Enma during the judgement process in the Next World, and Enma was forced to dispel him or something.

Regardless, all scenes in Hell with Freeza and Cell and such are filler anyway, and don't make much sense.

[Duke]

What I find funny is that Raditz basically becomes the face of the Saiyan Saga. I mean, whenever the Saiyan Saga is talked about, there's Raditz right there with Vegeta, Goku, and Nappa. Plus, whenever there's any promos (either by CN or FUNi) advertising the Saiyan Saga, there's always shots of Raditz pounding Goku & Piccolo. (Hell, Raditz even got his own name tag during FUNi's trailer)

[Mike JD Silva]

I've been going over my old tapes from the Saban era, and noticed that while there is stuff that's lifted from the old scripts, it's not a complete copy either. There are some things were the same idea is said a bit differently. I must admit to being surprised at the 3 years thing with the planet Vegeta, as I could have sworn that I remembered Raditz saying something different in the old dub.

For those curious to some here are 3 scenes of the new and the old:

Old Dub-
Raditz: Listen carefully Kakarot. If you want to see your kid again your going to do exactly as I say, understand?

::Goku nods::

Raditz: Good, I have a little exercize for you. Now then, eliminate 100 of the species by tommorow, got it?

Roshi: Hey you, Goku isn't capable of killing anybody!

Raditz: Hush old man. Kakarot is a Saiyan. You'd be surprised at what he's capable of doing. It makes no difference. All of the people on this planet will be dead soon. We have a buyer for the planet, and it is worth a great deal. We will take it from you.

Roshi: Take over earth?

Raditz: Keep your shirt on old timer. It won't be as bad as you think. Our 'clean up' crew is very efficient. Now listen Kakarot, if you want to see your son alive eliminate 100 of the species by tommorow.

New dub-
Raditz: What's the matter Kakarot you haven't answered me? Let's try again. If you want your son back I want you to elimate 100 earthlings by this time tomorrow, do you understand.

::Goku nods::

Raditz: That's good. Do this little job for me and you can join us. But fail, and I'll see to it your son suffers a most unpleasant end.

::Gohan continues to cry::

Krillin: You coward! Hiding behind a kid!

Bulma: Yeah! That's right!

Roshi: That's right! You sicko! Besides, it won't do you any good! Goku isn't capable of killing anybody.

Raditz: Quiet old man. Kakarot is a Saiyan. I think you'd be very surprised at what he's capable of doing. Of course, it will make no difference either way. Every living thing on this planet will be eliminated soon. After we finish our current job, I've decided the earth will be our next target.

Roshi: You, you what?!

Raditz: Even without Kakarot, three Saiyans will be more than enough for the job, we can conquer this puny planet in our sleep. So you see brother, whether you kill 100 earthlings or not the end result is the same.

Old dub-
Piccolo: You'll never succeed! Your too weak!

Krillin: Piccolo! Oh great, what else can go wrong today?

Piccolo: You can get killed, for one thing.

Roshi: Why are you here? This is my island.

Piccolo: That makes two uninvited guests.

Goku: Get to the point Piccolo, I don't have time to deal with you right now.

Piccolo: Well it would be wise if you made some time - you three can't beat this guy I've seen his power.

Goku: Win or lose, we must try to stop him!

Piccolo: Your all being foolish, there's only one chance you'll beat him and that's if I go with you. I know we're enemies but listen: I want that guy out of the way because I have my own plans to conquer the world, and you want him out of the way so you can get your kid back. So I think its best if we team up, agreed?

Goku: Hold on, how do I know your not going to turn on me?

Piccolo: Don't worry Goku, there's plenty of time to deal with you. but only after our work is completed

Goku: I don't get you Piccolo, I don't see why you want to control the world, it's wrong. And your wrong if you think you can defeat me! But in this case your right, let's team up.

Piccolo: All right. Let's consider it done. If you can stand to work with me than I can bear working with you. But remember, after this is done, our alliance is terminated.

New dub-
Piccolo: You'll never succeed! Your too weak!

Krillin: Oh great, what else can go wrong today?

Piccolo: I suppose you can make me angry, but I wouldn't advise it.

Goku: So, what do you want Piccolo.

Roshi: Yes, why are you here? This is my island.

Piccolo: I've been keeping an eye on your last visitor. I followed him here.

Goku: Oh yeah? What do you know about him?

Piccolo: I know this much. The only chance we have of winning is if I go with you.

::collective surprise 'eh'?::

Piccolo: I know we're enemies but hear me out. You've seen how powerful he is which means you know as much as I do that neither of us have the strength to stand up against him alone. We'd be dead before the fight started. However, if we team up, there's a slight possibiltiy we could overpower him. It's the only way, agreed?

Goku: I don't know. Why should I trust you? How do I know you won't turn on me?

Piccolo: The truth is you don't. I won't lie to you the reason's I'm doing this are purely selfish. I could care less what happens to your son. But I won't let this guy take over the earth, I plan to do it myself! If we team up, as much as the idea sickens me, I'm willing to put our differences aside but as far as I'm concerned this truce is only temporary. The next time we meet, it will be as enemies, same as always!

Goku: And when that time comes, I promise I'll do everything in my power to stop you from taking over the world. Until then, it looks like we're a team. You've got a deal.

Piccolo: All right them, let's consider it done. If you can stand to work with me then I suppose I can bear working with you. But don't forget, when this is over our alliance is terminated.

Old dub-
Raditz: I strongly reccomend that you join us Kakarot.

Goku: I don't care what you think the answer is no!

::The two above lines are superimposed over the seen where Gohan kicks the pod from the inside::

Raditz: You should listen to your big brother.

Goku: I would if I had one, but I don't!

Raditz: All right then, have it your way Kakarot, I didn't come here to kill you but you leave me no choice. Too bad, little brother, I think you would have found the life of a Saiyan invigorating. ::bites fruit::

Piccolo: Alright, stop your mumbling I've had enough of this trash.

Goku: Piccolo, I didn't know you trained with weighted clothing.

Piccolo: Yeah, your not the only one. Um, oh yeah I feel much lighter now.

::Raditz thinking:: His power level's gone up to 400.

Goku: There's 30 lbs, and here's 50...and another 50. And two little five'ers. That oughta do it Piccolo unless you can think of something else.

Piccolo: What am I, your tailor?

Raditz: Hah, hahahahahaha. Do you two really think that your stronger now? Jokes, who do you think I am?! Do you really think a few weights are going to effect the outcome of this fight?

Goku: Your bluffing I'm twice as fast now.

Raditz: You don't know what fast is little brother, but you'll see. It's time for your lesson, now pay attention. I can only show you this once then it's over. All RIGHT! READY OR NOT HERE I COME!!!

::Raditz attacks::

New dub-
Raditz: I was afraid you'd say that, your testing my patience Kakarot. I've been more than generous with you so far now for the last time I strongly reccomend that you join us.

Goku: I don't care what you reccomend the answer is still no!

::two above semiimposed over Gohan in Raditz's capsule::

Raditz: You should listen to your big brother.

Goku: As far as I'm concerned I don't have a brother!

Raditz: All right then, you can't have it your way Kakarot. I didn't come here to kill you but it seems you have left me no choice. It's too bad little brother, I think you would have found the life of a Saiyan to be quite invigorating. ::bites fruit::

Piccolo: All right, I've heard enough talk. You know why we're here so let's get on with it.

Goku: Huh? Piccolo? I didn't know you trained with weighted clothing too.

Piccolo: What? Thought you were the only one? Um, oh yeah I feel much lighter now.

::Raditz thinking:: His power level has gone up to 400.

Goku: There's 30 lbs, and here's 50....and another 50. And two little five'ers. That oughta do it Piccolo unless you can think of something else.

Piccolo: What am I, your tailor?

Raditz: Heh, hehahahahaha. Do you two really think that's going to make a difference? Fools! Who do you think I am? A few weights aren't going to effect the outcome of this fight! I'm still ten times stronger than you are!

Goku: That may be true, but strength isn't the only thing that matters. Not when you can outsmart your opponent.

Raditz: You really don't have a clue do you brother? And know what? I think I've decided I don't want you to join us anymore. A fool like you would only slow us down. YOUR A DISGRACE TO ALL SAIYANS NOW PREPARE TO DIE!!!

::Raditz attacks::
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So far I'm curious to what else is changed/altered/fixed in the later eps.

[Fresh V]

My only complaint about this episode is I thought the music was too loud, it was close to drowning out the voices.
The Saban dub music drowned out the voices much more... and constantly...

[G1Ravage]

Old dub-
Piccolo: You'll never succeed! Your too weak!

Krillin: Piccolo! Oh great, what else can go wrong today?

Piccolo: You can get killed, for one thing.

New dub-
Piccolo: You'll never succeed! Your too weak!

Krillin: Oh great, what else can go wrong today?

Piccolo: I suppose you can make me angry, but I wouldn't advise it.
Scott McNeil pwns Chris Sabat. And what's up with FUNi making redub Piccolo so tame? HE'S A BLOODTHIRSTY MONSTER! HE'S GOKU'S ARCHRIVAL! HE SHOULD BE THREATENING KURIRIN, NOT ADVISING HIM!!!

And look at some of those line comparisons!! In some cases, the new FUNi dialogue is TONED DOWN compared to the original dialogue!!

Also, I believe the only reason some of these lines have been altered slightly is because the original Ocean dub was recorded at a slightly faster speed. So some of the lip flaps don't work quite as well anymore.

[Mike JD Silva]

Scott McNeil pwns Chris Sabat. And what's up with FUNi making redub Piccolo so tame? HE'S A BLOODTHIRSTY MONSTER! HE'S GOKU'S ARCHRIVAL! HE SHOULD BE THREATENING KURIRIN, NOT ADVISING HIM!!!

And look at some of those line comparisons!! In some cases, the new FUNi dialogue is TONED DOWN compared to the original dialogue!!

Also, I believe the only reason some of these lines have been altered slightly is because the original Ocean dub was recorded at a slightly faster speed. So some of the lip flaps don't work quite as well anymore.
Weird, I thought it was somewhat the opposite, as someone else stated, Funi made Piccolo rather brutely honest with his intentions here, concerning how they stand against Raditz et all. Same with Raditz's intentions with Gohan (the head count line was never in the original dub as well)

Other observations were that there were few points in the show that were sped up, such as when Krillin was stewing over having to fight, as in the original dub he remarked, "I hate this" and then it cut away, while in the dub he was remarking how bad it was and he hasn't had a girlfriend. Other fixes were when Roshi told Bulma about following to watch the fight had the dialogue go over the part where the exclamation lines were over the Kame House Island, whereas in the original dub there was no voice over but the exclamation lines were left in with some music that didn't make sense at the time.

With the Funi VAs and Ocean comparison it was a bit of a toss up, as there were things that were strong and weak in both versions, such as above with Piccolo and Goku. I found the beginning with Scott's Piccolo (You'll never succeed!...) to be a lot better but Chris was far better for the following converstion. Sean and Ian went back and forth with how they sounded as Goku, as Ian sounded better with the first confrontation with Raditz on the island but Sean really picked up as Gohan was kidnapped, with his frustration and anguish.

I'm still not sure how I feel about Justin's Raditz. I always did like and still enjoy Jason Grey Stanford's take with him but there's something rather deadly with Justin's cool calm, but there are some negatives (I didn't like the "next time I'll cook the meat" delivery, too laid back, same with the ''brave Saiyan's'' bit to Gohan).

[Ishtar]

Old dub-

Piccolo: You can get killed, for one thing.

New dub-

Piccolo: I suppose you can make me angry, but I wouldn't advise it.

Piccolo says "I suppose you can make me angry." in the old dub, not "You can get killed, for one thing."! The new dub has Piccolo saying "You can get killed fo one thing, but I wouldn't advise it!"

Here's a comparisson of the scene with Yajirobe in episode 10 telling Krillen and them to train.

Old Dub-

Krillen: What kind of visitor can possibly be so vulgar?

Yajirobe: It’s me!

Krillen: Hey I remember you! You’re Hokey- Pokey! Aren’t you?

Yajirobe: You know I’m Yajirobe you near-sided cube-ball head! Anyway, I’m supposed to tell you to report to Korin Tower for special training, and to bring your friend Yamcha with you aswell!

Krillen: Wow, who told you that?

Yajirobe: Kami himself you bird-brain! I told him I didn’t want to fight those aliens, but that’s what he’s training us for! What could I say?

Krillen: I hear you! You can’t turn Kami down!

Yajirobe: I’m through! I gave you the message!

Krillen: Man, I can’t believe it!

Yajirobe: Oh yeah, I almost forgot! Don’t wish Goku back to life with the Dragon Balls until the Saiyans arrive one year from now.

Bulma: What, but why?

Yajirobe: Beats me. I’m just telling you what Kami told me to tell you! He’s not even giving me anything for doing all of this for him! It’s such a rip-off!

Krillen: Huh?

Master Roshi: That was weird! Goodness!

New Dub-

Krillen: Now what kind of visitor can possibly be so rude.

Yajirobe: It’s me

Krillen: Oh yeah I remember you. You’re a...what’s your name?

Yajirobe: You know I’m Yajirobe you near-sided cube-ball head! I don’t need anymore grief. I already had enough trouble finding this place. Anyway, I’m suppose to tell you to go to Korin Tower for special training.

Krillen: So, did Korin send you?

Yajirobe: He look at me I’m know it all Korin! That’s the guy and he wants you to bring Yamcha and Ten somebody and Chao whatever.

Krillen: Oh, you mean Tien and Chaotzou.

Master Roshi: Not me?

Yajirobe: Yeah, like I said , get all those guys and bring them to Korin Tower. I’m training with you too.

Krillen: What! No way!

Yajirobe: Yeah, crazy isn’t it. I told Korin I didn’t want to fight any stupid aliens and he went through the roof! I thought he was gonna kill me! He’s serious.

Krillen: Well, uh..... sounds like we don’t have a choice.

Yajirobe: You don’t, or at least I didn’t, but do what you want. I’m outta here. Oh yeah, I almost forgot! Don’t wish Goku back to life with the Dragon Balls until the Saiyans arrive one year from now.

Bulma: What, but why?

Yajirobe: Beats me. Something about special training in Otherworld, or something like that! Some lady named Baba is suppose to come by to tell you the rest. You can ask her!

Master Roshi: Waite! Baba’s coming here?

[PowerZord]

Some dialogue sounded better on the old dub. it seems funi has tamed it a little bit

[Ishtar]

Some dialogue sounded better on the old dub. it seems funi has tamed it a little bit
Well is some dialogue, Funi fixed certain things like Korin sent Yajirobe to Kame House, not Kami, and they have him mention to bring Tien and Chaotzou awell!

[Dark Fact]

What I find funny is that Raditz basically becomes the face of the Saiyan Saga. I mean, whenever the Saiyan Saga is talked about, there's Raditz right there with Vegeta, Goku, and Nappa. Plus, whenever there's any promos (either by CN or FUNi) advertising the Saiyan Saga, there's always shots of Raditz pounding Goku & Piccolo. (Hell, Raditz even got his own name tag during FUNi's trailer)
Well, considering that Raditz is the villain to kick off the whole Dragon Ball Z series, I only think it was necessary for FUNi to promote him. Personally, I'm glad to see that Raditz is getting more spotlight now than he ever did back in the Saban era. In the old Saban era, he was around for a few episodes, mentioned briefly in a couple episodes post moratorium, and brushed off afterwards like he never existed. I had to watch the first few Saban era episodes again just to remind myself that he existed. At least in the redub, FUNi appears to press the issue that Raditz is important to the saga, even if he is a minor character. Raditz may not be nearly as strong as Vegeta or Nappa, but he was a considerable threat to Goku and Piccolo. The whole kidnapping and mistreatment of Goku's son gives him that despicable edge that villains need. Add to the fact that he is Goku's brother and you really have something for Goku to be frustrated about. Raditz = underrated.

Well is some dialogue, Funi fixed certain things like Korin sent Yajirobe to Kame House, not Kami, and they have him mention to bring Tien and Chaotzou awell!
I may not have volume 3 yet, but if FUNi changed the script to show Yajirobe impersonating Korin with the facial expression and all, then that's a change for the better. In the old dub, Yajirobe mentions Kami more but still makes a Korin face, WTH?

Piccolo says "I suppose you can make me angry." in the old dub, not "You can get killed, for one thing."! The new dub has Piccolo saying "You can get killed fo one thing, but I wouldn't advise it!"
I clearly remember in the old dub that Piccolo said "I suppose you can make me angry" too.

[Mike JD Silva]

Piccolo says "I suppose you can make me angry." in the old dub, not "You can get killed, for one thing."! The new dub has Piccolo saying "You can get killed fo one thing, but I wouldn't advise it!"

Here's a comparisson of the scene with Yajirobe in episode 10 telling Krillen and them to train.
Nope, these are from tapes from the original broadcast back in September /October 1996 before the censors redid that episode. I took the quotes directly from those tapes. I used them because these 4 episodes of the Saiyan Saga were the best ones before the other dimension crap started.

[Ishtar]

I may not have volume 3 yet, but if FUNi changed the script to show Yajirobe impersonating Korin with the facial expression and all, then that's a change for the better. In the old dub, Yajirobe mentions Kami more but still makes a Korin face, WTH?
Yep! They have Yajirobe impersonating Korin with the facial expression in the redub! Here's the dialogue of that scene in both dubs again!:

Old Dub-

Krillen: What kind of visitor can possibly be so vulgar?

Yajirobe: It’s me!

Krillen: Hey I remember you! You’re Hokey- Pokey! Aren’t you?

Yajirobe: You know I’m Yajirobe you near-sided cube-ball head! Anyway, I’m supposed to tell you to report to Korin Tower for special training, and to bring your friend Yamcha with you aswell!

Krillen: Wow, who told you that?

Yajirobe: Kami himself you bird-brain! I told him I didn’t want to fight those aliens, but that’s what he’s training us for! What could I say?

Krillen: I hear you! You can’t turn Kami down!

Yajirobe: I’m through! I gave you the message!

Krillen: Man, I can’t believe it!

Yajirobe: Oh yeah, I almost forgot! Don’t wish Goku back to life with the Dragon Balls until the Saiyans arrive one year from now.

Bulma: What, but why?

Yajirobe: Beats me. I’m just telling you what Kami told me to tell you! He’s not even giving me anything for doing all of this for him! It’s such a rip-off!

Krillen: Huh?

Master Roshi: That was weird! Goodness!

New Dub-

Krillen: Now what kind of visitor can possibly be so rude.

Yajirobe: It’s me

Krillen: Oh yeah I remember you. You’re a...what’s your name?

Yajirobe: You know I’m Yajirobe you near-sided cube-ball head! I don’t need anymore grief. I already had enough trouble finding this place. Anyway, I’m suppose to tell you to go to Korin Tower for special training.

Krillen: So, did Korin send you?

Yajirobe: He look at me I’m know it all Korin! That’s the guy and he wants you to bring Yamcha and Ten somebody and Chao whatever.

Krillen: Oh, you mean Tien and Chaotzou.

Master Roshi: Not me?

Yajirobe: Yeah, like I said , get all those guys and bring them to Korin Tower. I’m training with you too.

Krillen: What! No way!

Yajirobe: Yeah, crazy isn’t it. I told Korin I didn’t want to fight any stupid aliens and he went through the roof! I thought he was gonna kill me! He’s serious.

Krillen: Well, uh..... sounds like we don’t have a choice.

Yajirobe: You don’t, or at least I didn’t, but do what you want. I’m outta here. Oh yeah, I almost forgot! Don’t wish Goku back to life with the Dragon Balls until the Saiyans arrive one year from now.

Bulma: What, but why?

Yajirobe: Beats me. Something about special training in Otherworld, or something like that! Some lady named Baba is suppose to come by to tell you the rest. You can ask her!

Master Roshi: Waite! Baba’s coming here?

[Master Moron]

New dub-

Raditz: Even without Kakarot, three Saiyans will be more than enough for the job, we can conquer this puny planet in our sleep. So you see brother, whether you kill 100 earthlings or not the end result is the same.

I'm not sure I like this new line, as it gives away the fact that there's two other saiyans on the way too soon. Piccolo and Goku are supposed to be horrified when they find out that two other saiyans are on their way. It doesn't work if Radditz already told them.

Old dub-

Piccolo: Alright, stop your mumbling I've had enough of this trash.


New dub-

Piccolo: All right, I've heard enough talk. You know why we're here so let's get on with it.


I think I like the old line better.

Well, considering that Raditz is the villain to kick off the whole Dragon Ball Z series, I only think it was necessary for FUNi to promote him. Personally, I'm glad to see that Raditz is getting more spotlight now than he ever did back in the Saban era. In the old Saban era, he was around for a few episodes, mentioned briefly in a couple episodes post moratorium, and brushed off afterwards like he never existed. I had to watch the first few Saban era episodes again just to remind myself that he existed. At least in the redub, FUNi appears to press the issue that Raditz is important to the saga, even if he is a minor character. Raditz may not be nearly as strong as Vegeta or Nappa, but he was a considerable threat to Goku and Piccolo. The whole kidnapping and mistreatment of Goku's son gives him that despicable edge that villains need. Add to the fact that he is Goku's brother and you really have something for Goku to be frustrated about. Raditz = underrated.


That's true, but we did see Radditz in a few flashbacks during the Freeza saga.

[Duke]

I'm not sure I like this new line, as it gives away the fact that there's two other saiyans on the way too soon. Piccolo and Goku are supposed to be horrified when they find out that two other saiyans are on their way. It doesn't work if Radditz already told them.He told them early on that Goku was the 4th Saiyan alive, and even Goku would have to think that they would eventually come back to finish what "Kakarrot" was supposed to do.

When Raditz dies, he tells them plain & simple that Veggie & Nappa will be here in one year. The way Raditz spells it out on Kame House, the Saiyans will take their sweet time getting here.

[G1Ravage]

Well is some dialogue, Funi fixed certain things like Korin sent Yajirobe to Kame House, not Kami, and they have him mention to bring Tien and Chaotzou awell!
Yes, FUNi fixed that one line. And actually made it quite close to the Japanese version, too.

But that's all they did. I'll probably have a review of DVD volumes 2 and 3 up soon.

[Dark Fact]

Well, a new week for Dragon Ball Z uncut has begun so it is time to put this thread to a close.