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Zyzzybalubah

06-13-2005, 01:01 AM

Looks like AS is real trying to crank up the 12 oz. Mouse promos so everyone checks it out next Sunday. I'm quite interested to say the least, so here's hoping it's an alright show.

I knew Sundays ratings would be up but (just caught Saturdays!!!) OH MY GOD! Somehow, those numbers are worse than Labor Day Weekends! We're talking last year's ratings! Poor Saturday, that's a line-up that I like (well Samurai Champloo and Paranoia Agent, the other two premieres I don't like really.) I know others may argue, but I still say InuYasha shouldn't have become the opening show. Maybe Champloo wouldn't be the savior, but it should have been the guranteed hit of Futurama or risking a show like FMA, which has proven high Saturday numbers. If next week doesn't improve then I say, farewell all-action, welcome back ASF&A (Adult Swim Futurama and Action.)

James Bester

06-13-2005, 01:02 AM

Maybe all the episodes should premiere on weeknights.

Or use FMA as a lead-in.I don't care if they bring Futurama back to that slot personally. I actually enjoy it as lead-off more than Inuyasha(waits to be killed by angry ASA fans).

And like you said. FMA as a lead-in would be another good idea. You just can't lead off the night with a frickin kids' show. With Inuyasha right there to start it off, Samurai Champloo lost about 1/3 of the possible ratings it could've recieved. I mean look at it! Even s-CRY-ed beat it out.

We all saw the mistake from a mile away. FMA obtained most of its audience from Futurama, and that's part of the reason it became such a hit. If Adult Swim wants to get some good ratings for their new anime, they need to stop making stupid decisions like this. Believe it or not, if they want Saturdays to become all-action permanantly, they have a better chance of it if they stick Futurama in that 11PM slot. Then Samurai Champloo could establish an audience and maybe even help out with the ratings for the rest of the block

As for Paranoia Agent, it looks like Adult Swim can add it to list of anime failures. I don't see that getting an audience anytime soon.

jbanks97

06-13-2005, 01:05 AM

S-Cryed beats new episodes of Inuyasha?

(not that I'm the biggest Inuyasha fan) but are you kidding me?

You can't really blame AS for putting Inuyasha on first. Aside from FMA it consistently gets some of the highest ratings for an AS anime, (although I would like to see the age breakdown and how much of the ratings are 12-17. The Same can be said for S-Cryed).

Oh well-I guess it's nothing shocking that my favorite new Sat. show gets below 180,000. I guess futurama will be back sooner rather than later on Sat.

Rabi~en~Rose

06-13-2005, 01:05 AM

for every time anime fails a chicken will appear so here's 2 for 2 weeks in a row

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/usadahikaru/TZ/chicken.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/usadahikaru/TZ/chicken.gif

oh

and scryed

lol

whoops forgot this part:

Up - F-Guy
Down - Champloo, Inuyasha
New - Scryed

Wounded_Dragon

06-13-2005, 01:05 AM

Ouch is an understatement. While I enjoy that Scryed beat Paranoia Agent and InuYasha was only 3rd...ouch ouch *feels like a broken bone* ouch.

What is it about weekends that weakens InuYasha so? It's like Kryptonite or something...

livingfruitvirus

06-13-2005, 01:05 AM

Maybe all the episodes should premiere on weeknights.

Or use FMA as a lead-in.Of course since FMA always had a comedy lead-in, who knows how it could stand on its own.

Scirel

06-13-2005, 01:07 AM

One thing might be is that they majorly pissed off FMA fans by stopping it in the middle of the series for no apparent reason.

GITS has a definite stopping point betweeen seasons 1 and 2, FMA dosen`t. Anyone who dosen`t go to TZ would think it was cancelled.

Another thing is that Inuyasha has proven itself to be not as good a lead in as Futurama or FMA.

IMO, the best thing they can do is Put inuyasha on weekdays and put FMA at 11, or put FMA first and Move the whole schedule up 1/2 hour.

Zyzzybalubah

06-13-2005, 01:08 AM

I don't care if they bring Futurama back to that slot personally. I actually enjoy it as lead-off more than Inuyasha(waits to be killed by angry ASA fans). I'm with you on that. While I want an all-action Saturday block, I would rather have Futurama in the opening over Inuyasha as well as many others. Sure, IY may pick up a couple of the Toonami viewers, but I just don't know if it's the show to get the audience (okay so weekday ratings are good, but for some reason it doesn't cut it Saturdays?)

P.S. I forgot to mention, poor Paranoia Agent isn't in the top 3. It's on before s-CRY-ed afterall. PA is a show I really like, it stinks the shows I really get into on AS (Lupin, Case Closed, Kikaider, etc.) always do the worse. :( (FMA, Bebop, Trigun, FLCL, being exceptions.)

Scirel

06-13-2005, 01:10 AM

I'm with you on that. While I want an all-action Saturday block, I would rather have Futurama in the opening over Inuyasha as well as many others. Sure, IY may pick up a couple of the Toonami viewers, but I just don't know if it's the show to get the audience (okay so weekday ratings are good, but for some reason it doesn't cut it Saturdays?)
That`s one thing that always struck me as odd, since I remember a lot of good saturdays "staying up" to watch Inuyasha and Yuyu. I guess for most fans weekdays are more acessible.

livingfruitvirus

06-13-2005, 01:11 AM

One thing might be is that they majorly pissed off FMA fans by stopping it in the middle of the series for no apparent reason.Gee. Sure didn't piss off those millions of people who came back for Dragon Ball Z.

TnAdct1

06-13-2005, 01:12 AM

Half of me says they should switch Inuyasha with Champloo for the lead show.

The other half says they`re gonna put futurama back at 11:00 before the end of July. Personally, while I don't watch the show myself, I think the better idea is to put Futurama back on the 11:00 PM timeslot and move the Inu-Yasha premieres to weekdays. Face it: even if either Champloo or FMA is put on the 11:00 time slot, I highly doubt that it will improve ratings, as most adults will probably not be interested in it. However, if a proven success in the Comedy line-up (like Futurama) starts the Saturday night AS line-up, then there's a good chance that more adults will hang on and watch the anime programs.

Discloner

06-13-2005, 01:17 AM

NewLib

06-13-2005, 01:19 AM

Seriously, thats a good idea. AD can afford to be on two nights a week in case someone didnt see it Thursday.

Scirel

06-13-2005, 01:19 AM

Before putting comedy back there I think they should at least try switching champloo and Inuyasha and see how it does. If it is still low then either AD(good suggestion Discloner) or futurama should go there.

Zyzzybalubah

06-13-2005, 01:21 AM

That`s one thing that always struck me as odd, since I remember a lot of good saturdays "staying up" to watch Inuyasha and Yuyu. I guess for most fans weekdays are more acessible.
You got a point there. On weekdays more people are working, and most normal people (you know people not like me :p) tend to go to bed earlier while on Saturdays, Sunday follows it and we all know that's the day of rest. :) I guess most of those weekday InuYasha fans are going out Saturday Nights while those hardcore Futurama and FMA fans are dissapointed their shows aren't on Saturday. Then again who knows, how about a person with a Nielsen box that stopped watching Saturdays answers the question? :)

Duke

06-13-2005, 01:21 AM

Why Futurama? Couldn't they move American Dad reruns into that slot? After all...it's not like it gets a Sunday rerun like Family Guy, and what makes for a better lead-in then the highest rated ASC show?I personally would rather have Futurama in there since I can't stand FG or AD, but that's just me.

Of course, back when Futurama was actually in that slot I usually changed the channel or watched a DVD so...

James Bester

06-13-2005, 01:22 AM

Before putting comedy back there I think they should at least try switching champloo and Inuyasha and see how it does. If it is still low then either AD or futurama should go there. I don't think Inuyasha even deserves the 11:30 slot. Here's what would work:

11:00 American Dad(Great idea Discloner)
11:30 Samurai Champloo
12:00 s-CRY-ed
12:30 Inuyasha
1:00 Paranoia Agent
1:30 FLCL

Youko Recca

06-13-2005, 01:23 AM

I'm liking the American Dad suggestion. I own a large majority of Futurama, as do alot of people, and it's getting good play anyway.

livingfruitvirus

06-13-2005, 01:24 AM

Why Futurama? Couldn't they move American Dad reruns into that slot?Knowing the situation, Fox will probably do something retarded like say it's competing with MadTV.

vvv still in reruns right now ;)

Duke

06-13-2005, 01:25 AM

Knowing the situation, Fox will probably do something retarded like say it's competing with MadTV.I thought MadTV was cancelled... o.O

Zyzzybalubah

06-13-2005, 01:28 AM

I don't think Inuyasha even deserves the 11:30 slot. Here's what would work:

11:00 American Dad(Great idea Discloner)
11:30 Samurai Champloo
12:00 s-CRY-ed
12:30 Inuyasha
1:00 Paranoia Agent
1:30 FLCL
I like how it sounds (well accept for being bias and saying Paranoia Agent before IY because I like it better.) I think Adult Swim should stick with tradition on Inuyasha being on the 12:30 spot every night it airs (it seems to work best that way. As for Champloo, I think the show can be popular (week 1's debut went well, it was at 600k after Futurama, I wonder how it did the following week?) Overall it's probably just suffering the "Venture Syndrome." The show can be a success, it just needs a good lead-in (which would probably be Futurama because LFV's logic is true to Fox's a-hole like antics.)

James Bester

06-13-2005, 01:31 AM

I like how it sounds (well accept for being bias and saying Paranoia Agent before IY because I like it better.) I also like Paranoia Agent more than IY, but we're not the entire American audience.

Duke

06-13-2005, 01:32 AM

I also like Paranoia Agent more than IY, but we're not the entire American audience.If only we were, then Toonami & Adult Swim would get higher ratings than American Idol.

Zyzzybalubah

06-13-2005, 01:33 AM

I thought MadTV was cancelled... o.O
Sadly it's still on air (same goes for SNL.) Thank you Adult Swim for an alternative on Saturdays (well you know, if I'm actually home.)

shoujoaifan

06-13-2005, 01:39 AM

Of course since FMA always had a comedy lead-in, who knows how it could stand on its own.And there's no way now they would just plunk it in at 11:00, maybe if they had done that instead of Inuyasha (although I doubt FMA, or Sat. in general would have done that well without one of the Big F's.).

Scryed doing better than Inuyasha IS weird, considering the timeslot, BUT we've had our shares of weird ratings (Before the FG/RC schedules, there was times the Oblongs and Mission Hill have gotten in the Top 3) HELL, last week the SECOND airings did better than the first! And Trigun was #3!

Things will probably fall into a pattern in a few weeks and then we'll see how the animes compare to each other (unless comedy is added right away). I predict SC placing #1 most or all of the time, with Scryed (we got an ancronym for this?) and IY duking it out with Scryed. IY fans might get used to the new time and MAY place it in #2 with Scryed occasionally being #2, or it might be even. We might like both intellectual material, quality action, and fluffy action, but the bulk of Sat. viewers enjoy just action period (and fangirls screaming for Sess), so PA is not going to make it.

P.S. HMMM, chances are they'll stick Futurama back on, but maybe they'll stick some of their own stuff on, at least after putting Futurama on for awhile. I would say ATHF, but that's already going back to weeknights.

James Bester

06-13-2005, 01:40 AM

Master Moron

06-13-2005, 01:40 AM

Wow...I thought Saturday's ratings might be bad, but I at least expected all the top 3 shows to get above 300,000. I mean, how in the hell did last week do worse than the previous week? And didn't Inu-yasha get better ratings at 12:30 than it did at 11:00? That's just weird. I'm also surprised that S-cry-ed beat Paranoia Agent, and Inu-yasha no less. Well, I hope this isn't a trend but who knows. I'd like to blame these low ratings on One Piece scaring off Adult viewers, but of course, that never stopped Futurama from getting great ratings.

Youko Recca

06-13-2005, 01:43 AM

Why not just move AD to saturday? It wouldn't be that hard would it? Eh, whatever. If it comes down to Futurama then we're just back where we started.

Rabi~en~Rose

06-13-2005, 01:45 AM

septopuss! mcguirks pecs!

wheres the Trigun fans go? and the 400,000 instant reruns viewers :(

PaQ

06-13-2005, 01:45 AM

The post-FMA effect. :p It seems like they should've definitely tried the all-anime route prior to FMA/GITS going on hiatus.. It probably doesn't help they don't have a real mainstream hit on their hands airing new episodes, Futurama will probably return for the better.

livingfruitvirus

06-13-2005, 01:46 AM

And there's no way now they would just plunk it in at 11:00, maybe if they had done that instead of Inuyasha (although I doubt FMA, or Sat. in general would have done that well without one of the Big F's.).But back when Inu was premiering on Saturday, with or without Futurama, it was the highest rated anime most of the time. Why the other anime is clobbering it right now stumps me.

ShadowS

06-13-2005, 01:46 AM

Wait a minute... so a new episode of Paranoia Agent got LESS then 278,000 viewers?!?!?!!! I guess AS will be avoiding those type of anime shows in the future.:sad:

Discloner

06-13-2005, 01:47 AM

Why don't they just watch it on Sunday, like the schedule tells them to?I was under the impression that FOX requested them to take AD off Sundays.

Zyzzybalubah

06-13-2005, 01:51 AM

Why don't they just watch it on Sunday, like the schedule tells them to?
http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=viewAll&showID=332142&show=American+Dad&filter=as
So... any idea why they're allowed to do this now? Fox have a change in heart or was that rumor of syndication people not wanting AS to air it on Sundays was a lie? (I wouldn't be surprised, the last two weeks have included Christine's night where it couldn't air and the following week not being able to air a repeat because Fox didn't premiere a new episode.)

Zyzzybalubah

06-13-2005, 02:03 AM

Wait a minute... so a new episode of Paranoia Agent got LESS then 278,000 viewers?!?!?!!! I guess AS will be avoiding those type of anime shows in the future.:sad:
Add that to the list with:
* Detective Shows (I suppose PA can be considered Mystery)
* Shows Dating Back to 1995 or before.
* Android Shows
* Giant Robot Shows
* Shows where it takes 10 episodes or more for something to actually happen (Witch Hunter Robin, no offense to the fans, just a little humor)
* Shows With Men in Thongs (Even if it's a Futuristic History Lesson)
and most importantly:
* Japanese Comedies where 5% or less of America would actually get the Japanese jokes to.

Sketch

06-13-2005, 02:07 AM

I completely dissagree with shafting PA. It's brilliant.

11:00 - Fullmetal Alchemist (even if it's just reruns)
11:30 - Samurai Champloo
12:00 - Paranoia Agent
12:30 - Inuyasha (same as weekdays)
01:00 - s-CRY-ed
01:30 - FLCL

Ya know what they could do though... try Venture Bros. at the top of the block again. But I'd still prefer FMA. FUNi has to have at least half the second half done by now. They need it back on Saturday and pronto.

Inuyasha suddenly sucks in ratings... it's so strange but I guess the audience has finally figured out how unamazing the show truely is. Though it's a pitty they did that right when it was getting interesting.

At any rate... Inuyasha has to go but nothing in the block would work better as a lead... So it's a big mess which comedy would clean up in a hurry but dang it I don't want to loose all action Saturday AGAIN. FMA or bust, that's all I've gotta say. I'll bet Inuyasha gets a ton of 12-17 ratings at 11PM but that doesn't mean anything in this case. Maybe they should just chop off the first hour on Saturday because Toonami would get better ratings overall at 11PM anyway. (but they wont do that and I'm not asking them to)

livingfruitvirus

06-13-2005, 02:31 AM

But I'd still prefer FMA. FUNi has to have at least half the second half done by now.
Not judging by their Kunicon comments.

Maybe they should just chop off the first hour on Saturday because Toonami would get better ratings overall at 11PM anyway. (but they wont do that and I'm not asking them to)
They can't do it anyway or else they'll get in trouble with Nielsen Media Research. They have to broadcast 42 hours a week to be considered a network.

shoujoaifan

06-13-2005, 02:57 AM

But back when Inu was premiering on Saturday, with or without Futurama, it was the highest rated anime most of the time. Why the other anime is clobbering it right now stumps me.Hmm, good question. Granted AS had less viewers then, but Inuyasha's ratings have gone up since then like all of AS, more or less proportionally. It would make sense for it to be #1.

But Inuyasha became a poor lead-in when ASA came back over a year ago (time flies). So while anime's ratings have more or less risen proportionally as AS gains viewers, it looks like that growth can't be sustained by itself, it can only be sustained if comedy leads action (or rather, anime since VB is comedy/action and isn't on Sat. anymore).

But seeing how insanely boggling the previous week was with the 2nd airings and Trigun in the Top 3 things need to settle down to see if there might be a pattern at all. But they might add comedy by then. Which isn't entirely a bad thing. If adding comedy means more ratings, that means more money from ads, some of which will go to more anime. And things worked out pretty good with just one comedy on last time. Throw on AD, Futurama, ATHF, whatever for half a hour then put on the best performing anime at 11:30.

Nyarl

06-13-2005, 05:08 AM

But back when Inu was premiering on Saturday, with or without Futurama, it was the highest rated anime most of the time. Why the other anime is clobbering it right now stumps me. Probably a lot of that is due to the lead in effect that you point out is more important for ratings than having an early time slot. I seem to remember that Family Guy #2 often beat Family Guy #1 when AS had that Robot Chicken Sandwich lineup. (ETA: Heck, Rabi's ratings show that the 11:30 Family Guy got about 29% more viewers than the 11:00 Family Guy. So, saying that the 12% advantage that Champloo has over Inuyasha indicates a "clobbering" of Inuyasha is indulging in a bit of hyperbole, isn't it?)

On the other hand, Inuyasha hasn’t really been tested against other anime since the Fillers and Reruns of Doom started or since AS “became a network”.

I doubt that Champloo would be an adequate anchor. (ETA: It looks to me like it would be worse than Inuyasha!) I wonder how long Futurama repeats could remain an adequate anchor. Maybe, to save the anime, new seasons of Futurama need to be created… heh.

Sketch

06-13-2005, 06:04 AM

Not judging by their Kunicon comments.

They can't do it anyway or else they'll get in trouble with Nielsen Media Research. They have to broadcast 42 hours a week to be considered a network.
They aren't up to 39 yet? Travis Willingham said they would be recording around there "in a few weeks" back April at Sakura Con.

Yeah I know the deal. That's why I said they wouldn't do it nor did I expect them to.

Master Moron

06-13-2005, 10:15 AM

But back when Inu was premiering on Saturday, with or without Futurama, it was the highest rated anime most of the time. Why the other anime is clobbering it right now stumps me.

At that time the only other anime premiering was Wolf's Rain.

herbkir

06-13-2005, 10:38 AM

It's pretty obvious that Saturdays must have a comedy lead-in to post decent ratings. The comedy lead in will probably be introduced July 9. Why? They'll have had 4 "normal" weekends' ratings to justify the change (assuming they continue poorly). FLCL will be over by then and they can simply bump Inuyasha back into its slot at 1 a.m., leaving the rest of the shows where they are at. Alternatively, they could put IY in at 12:30, same as weeknights, and bump S-cry-ed back by a half hour, still leaving Trigun where it's at. The sked would then look similar to what Sketch came up with:

11 - Comedy lead-in (American Dad or Futurama)
11:30 - Samurai Champloo
12 - Paranoia Agent
12:30 - S-Cry-ed (alt: Inuyasha)
1 - Inuyasha (alt: S-cry-ed)
1:30 - Trigun

That'll accomplish the needed lead-in change with a minumum of disruption to the rest of the Saturday schedule. I wonder if the inclusion of FLCL in this new all-action lineup was AS' idea of a contingency plan for reintroduction of a comedy lead-in. (^_*)

SirLemming

06-13-2005, 10:57 AM

Holy crap. Those ratings are shocking.

And I too want to blame it on Inuyasha. Even most of that show's devoted fans must be getting kinda tired of it by now. It's definitely lost whatever spark it used to have.

But that's just my opinion and other ToonZoners' opinion, so who knows. But I do think Samurai Champloo could become a big hit.

I'm thinking they might want to consider ditching their usual scheduling philosophy and only premiering one or two anime shows Saturday night and others during the week.

I doubt they have high expectations for Scryed, so I won't worry about that.

KnightusMaximus

06-13-2005, 11:20 AM

Personally, if a comedy lead-in is to occur, I'd rather see FLCL (or Cowboy Bebop, or whatever) continue at 1AM on Saturdays than move Inuyasha there. I'd like to keep the same diversity of animes on the AS schedule that we currently have, rather than throw shows that air once-a-week off completely because IY demands 4 days a week.. I think the addition of a hit like American Dad at 11PM would give us enough security to do that. FMA might be able to, but I'm sure AS has a timed plan for FMA already that they would rather not disrupt.

11:00PM- American Dad / Futurama
11:30PM- Samurai Champloo
12:00AM- S-Cry-Ed
12:30AM- Paranoia Agent
1:00AM- FLCL / Cowboy Bebop
1:30AM- Trigun

Freedom Fighter

06-13-2005, 01:34 PM

I too am beginning to believe that AS Saturdays cannot draw mass audiences without a comedy lead-in. Just think... a month ago FMA and GitS were ending their seasons, and those two and Futurama were averaging close to half a million viewers a week... half the viewers compared to AS Sundays (estimating their Top 3 has about a million/week).

That ratio has dropped to practically 3:1. The Top 3 of the 1st Saturday of June average 300k. Losing 100-200k viewers 18-34 over the course of the month is never a good sign. Add to the fact that Inuyasha is at the point where they won't draw new viewers at all... just the ones that have watched the previous 100 episodes... and Paranoia Agent (which this week I touted as AS' best anime acquisition since returning to Saturdays) being a 'thinking man's' show... and one I actually liked. Then there's Champloo's hurdle... because it's made by the staff of Bebop, everyone expects SC to be no less than equal to CB. And Scryed chases away the diehard anime fans, only leaving ones who crave nothing but mindless action.

Swapping SC and IY is a stretch, especially with Toonami ending with One Piece... that's clashing demographics between shows there. Returning FMA and putting it in the 11 o'clock slot, repeats or premieres, wouldn't exactly bring the audience back either. Repeats definitely not (but I wouldn't be surprised if AS does go that route, FMA still ends up in the Top 3 every week).

I think the reason AS did much better with Futurama as a lead-in is because that show isn't anime and it brings in the casual anime fans. When you come off Toonami after watching Zatch Bell and an hour of One Piece, adults want something really gritty and action-packed. Inuyasha, as it pains me to say it, gives off the 'been there, done that' flavor because it's been around for awhile. That's the bane of shows that have that many episodes. And in Champloo's first two weeks, when it had Futurama as a lead-in, it looked healthy. Though you have to admit, that was the show's first two episodes, and people were trying it out. These ratings were for Ep 4, and they were lower than expected. The 400k for Ep 3 was decent and I could've lived with Ep 4 getting around the same, but losing 75k adults the following week, on a non-holiday weekend... that's not a good sign.

It's hard to say 'blame the anime fans' because most of those who watch AS watch everything on Saturday nights. Don't get me wrong... 300k 18-34 is still impressive for a late Saturday night. But we've been spoiled in the first four months of 2005, with Futurama, FMA, and GitS with 400k+ ratings.

The X factor remains the casual viewers, and unless WS can find an anime for AS that will appeal to them without sounding too juvenile to the block, I expect a comedy show to return to leading off AS Saturdays.

And when that does happen, this time I won't side with the naysayers. AS can survive without a comedy first leg, but it won't flourish without one.

Master Moron

06-13-2005, 01:37 PM

Hmmm...you know, could the low ratings at all be contributed to it being summer time? I mean, if I remember correctly, last year Inu-yasha and Wolf's Rain's ratings decreased over time, and they premiered while school was still in session. I can't remember when Futurama was introduced though. Now personally, I used to go out more on Saturday nights during the school year and I stayed in on Saturday's during the summer, but I doubt I'm the norm. I'd imagine a lot of people go out more when they're done classes for the summer. I know I shouldn't make excuses for the animes' low ratings as it will probably always be lower rated than Family Guy and Futurama, but there could be a slight correlation.

Mugen

06-13-2005, 01:50 PM

Wow, I never expected Saturday's ratings to revert back to the days when Inu-Yasha and Yu Yu were still on the block. I guess it seems that anime can't hold a block with good ratings, without a comedy show as the lead-in. I'm sure they'll give it a few more weeks and if the ratings look as bad as last week then they'll go back to putting Futurama at 11:00. FMA as a lead-in might be a good idea, but it always had Futurama as a lead-in for it's good ratings. I guess the only way Saturday can be all action is if AS could get an original action series made. I know they were talking with the creator of Hellboy about an action series as a lead-in, but the creator wanted to focus on comic books.

Since Saturday is unpredictible in the ratings department, why don't they put uncut DBZ at 11:00 and see how that does.:p

Sketch

06-13-2005, 02:12 PM

Ya know what... they REALLY shouldn't do that (air uncut DBZ) but it would definently bring in great ratings. Probably ratings comparable to most of the comedies AS could put on Saturday.

But I still say FMA should work very well.

jbanks97

06-13-2005, 02:54 PM

I think it's really WAY to early to make any predictions about the overall success rate of the current block or any show on the block.

AS has just premiered THREE new shows that hardly anyone (outside of anime fans) knew about. AS has to sell new premises, characters, and storylines to an audience that a month ago expected to watch Futurama, a show about alchemist brothers, and a futuristic CSI. I don't think anyone at AS necessarily expects the audience to automatically return for entirely different shows. At the same time what sucks is advertisers expect the same amount of viewership despite the fact that most anime series are only 1 season long (some 1/2 a season).

The ultimate challenege is getting people to give either show a shot. Champloo is very Be-Bopesque in the sense that the ordinary viewer can flip it on and be entertained, but PA is not really. (I won't speak for Scryed cause I've seen only one episode and thought it sucked). At the same time, I think PA is absolutely brilliant and is easily my favorite of the new three. Neither of the shows are of the WHR/WR suck variety, either could be genuine AS hits if viewers give them a shot. And I speak as someone who had never seen/ nor would have given a second thought to an anime show prior to CN.

In sum, I think getting rid of Futurama was not the best move right as three new series premiere. Inuyasha may be one of the most popular anime's on adult swim right now, but it's never going to get Futurama numbers. Futurama was good as a lead in, for the main reason it could get 750,000 viewers to turn their tv on, and by the time Champloo started it would still be on. Many would be willing to give it a shot rather than change the channel. On the other hand starting the block out with Inuyasha, limiting your audience in number and age bracket, limits the chances for the rest of the night.

Starting the block out with AD would be a brilliant idea however. 2 Hours of Seth each sunday (new and rerun FG/AD) may be a bit overkill after a while.

beren

06-13-2005, 03:25 PM

Anime is a niche market, we say AS comedy, but what we really say is shows that have been broadcast before nationaly and had a large viewer base, with many millions of fans already. I think they should the block a shot, and see how it grows, after all AS has to grow, showing reruns 90% of the time is a poor way to grow.

for example, I don't watch any of adult swim comedy because I have seen all of family guy 3 times already, I end up doing something else and missing the entire block, so while AS gains viewers elsewhere, it loses the ones it already had, which is a poor way to grow.

Also, I didn't care to much for WHR, but Wolf's Rain I thought was excellent. In the future, people will say the same thing about PA that they say about WR now, I gurantee that is more then likely, then they will cite ratings as proof. =/.

Beat

06-13-2005, 04:06 PM

Three true facts that Williams Street nor the internet critic association (ICA) wants to hear.

1. Seth Green and Seth MacFarlane get viewers with pop culture references.

2. Inu-Yasha scares more viewers off than it brings in at this point. Samurai Champloo or Futurama would be far better lead-ins.

3. Williams Street shoots themselves in the foot by trying to beat around the bush when it comes to "action". Paranoia Agent isn't action, it's confusing and tries to act superior to the audience. Don't think I hate that kind of show either, I loved Serial Experiments Lain and Boogiepop Phantom, but those shows both came off as more or less mystery shows with lots of twists, not "OMG U R DUMB" kind that Paranoia Agent's early episodes seem to be doing.

Shnay

06-13-2005, 04:20 PM

Saturday, June 4th

Champloo - 312,000
Scryed - 285,000
Inuyasha - 278,000If Scryed continues to perform better than Paranoia Agent I am seriously going to start killing things.

shoujoaifan

06-13-2005, 04:47 PM

I give credit to WS for showing anime that may be considered more intellectual than the norm, rather than go the safe route and get all easy, sure fire or almost-sure fire stuff that the bulk of the action viewers would enjoy, but instead getting shows like like Big O, FLCL, WR, WHR, GITS, and PA. (ALTHOUGH, to be fair, Big O was a WS favorite that they ordered a new season of, FLCL was another favorite, GITS had action, and GITS, along with WR+WHR DID have anime communties praising their "glory" so those might have seemed like sure things at the time. GITS did decent, but we know how the W's did. )

I enjoy PA and it might still end up a bunch of hot wind like WR, WHR, and a large part of GITS, but so far I've enjoyed it more than any amount of the W's and most of GITS. THAT being said, I'm not surprised it didn't do well. Its far too early to see how the animes would might regularly compete with each other, but I honestly doubt it PA is EVER going to make the Top 3.

And while the last episode was good, you know that first scene would scare most people away in a heartbeat :p

herbkir

06-13-2005, 05:56 PM

Even the TZ talkbacks about Saturday underscore how poor the ratings were. The only Saturday show that drew a reasonable response here was Paranoia Agent. The others hardly drew flies. (^_*)

Demonic Raven

06-13-2005, 07:49 PM

The Saturday rating surprised me a whole lot. Is it just me or are people purposely avoiding Paranoia?

Discloner

06-13-2005, 10:13 PM

Three true facts that Williams Street nor the internet critic association (ICA) wants to hear.

1. Seth Green and Seth MacFarlane get viewers with pop culture references. Why don't WS nor the Internet Critic Associations (US) want to hear that? It's their sure-fire ticket to solid ratings, and judging by the talkbacks, most of US respond to those kind of shows.

2. Inu-Yasha scares more viewers off than it brings in at this point. Samurai Champloo or Futurama would be far better lead-ins. Because InuYasha has constantly been a buzz kill for ratings. :rolleyes: Please...don't you think you're being just a tad over dramatic on one 'normal' week with bad ratings? Inu Yasha was one of Adult Swim's most 'lead in friendly' animes especially considering it preceeds One Piece. I have an extremely hard time thinking Samurai Champloo would do any better in it's spot. In fact, I think it could very well do worse...since it's a lot more talky and drawn out.

3. Williams Street shoots themselves in the foot by trying to beat around the bush when it comes to "action". Paranoia Agent isn't action, it's confusing and tries to act superior to the audience. Don't think I hate that kind of show either, I loved Serial Experiments Lain and Boogiepop Phantom, but those shows both came off as more or less mystery shows with lots of twists, not "OMG U R DUMB" kind that Paranoia Agent's early episodes seem to be doing. I'm not sure where you're picking up that vibe from PA...but it's not one I've even associated with the show thus far. Care to explain how you're picking this up off it?

Regardless...I think the only anime on Adult Swim that I've ever thought insulted my intelligence was GITS, mainly because it was just a very smart show that was on way too late for my brain to comprehend everything that was being discussed. Doesn't mean I hated it...but I can assure you PA's problem does not lay in how it presents itself to viewers.

Wounded_Dragon

06-13-2005, 10:27 PM

Even the TZ talkbacks about Saturday underscore how poor the ratings were. The only Saturday show that drew a reasonable response here was Paranoia Agent. The others hardly drew flies. (^_*)
And yet, PA's the one that can't get into the top 3.

I'm honestly not surprised. One thing my writing professor drilled into me was the beginning of every story needs a hook. PA's first episode was...more whiny than interesting. Add to that the slightly creepy opening and well...bam, drive away people. Maybe PA will rebound, but I don't see it beating either SC or IY...ever. Scryed maybe, although I find it more interesting.

Speaking of hooks, I wonder whether the openings are important. I've always considered them important but I'm an odd little duck. Even a boring episode is tolerable if I'm entertained by a good OP beforehand. FMA and GitS had nice openings. PA's is slightly creepy and Samurai Champloo's is...experimental (buy the OST and listen to the full version and you'll understand better). Scryed's is average/good and I think that may be what's saving it at the moment.

Which brings us to InuYasha, our lead-off...that doesn't have an opening. Coincedence?

Master Moron

06-13-2005, 11:10 PM

You know, maybe part of the problem is they shuffled too much of the schedule at once. I mean, they changed all 6 slots. Maybe it would have been better to add the new shows one at a time so you always have at least one established show on the block. By throwing 3 new shows on the block at once you have 3 shows that have to build up an audience, and they really don't have time to build up an audience.

I would say they should have moved Full Metal Alchemist to 11 before Samarai Champloo replaced it, but even if Full Metal Alchemist did get good ratings in the 11 o'clock timeslot it wouldn't really help long term because eventually they'd need to replace it with something else. I think the solution would be that they need to aquire longer series. Like, Inu-yasha length. Only they need one that's even bigger than Inu-yasha. They need a long anime series that they can always keep at the front end of the block to lead in to the other shows. Unfortunately, I haven't a clue if such a show even exists.

Then again, perhaps Inu-yasha fans still aren't adjusted to the 11:00 timeslot and still tune in at 12:30. After all, not everyone checks the schedule. Maybe Inu-yasha's ratings will increase as more fans find the new timeslot....at least...I hope...

This really isn't an issue of action versus comedy, as I don't think any of the comedies except for Family Guy, Futurama, and possibly American Dad could serve as a suitable lead in for the block. I mean, Sundays wouldn't do nearly as well if it wasn't for Family Guy. It seems like everytime they have a Sunday line-up that doesn't have Family Guy and Futurama the ratings go down. Not as far down as the Saturday ratings, but they definitely go down. I mean, it's not like putting the Venture Brothers or Aqua Teen Hunger Force in the 11:00 timeslot on Saturday would really boost the ratings all that much.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that they never advertise the anime during comedy yet. I mean, that always annoys me. I see advertisements for the comedies on Saturday but I never see advertisements for the anime on Sunday. I know anime is a niche audience and all, but William's Street said in the cards that even those who aren't anime fans should check out Samarai Champloo. If they really feel that way, why don't they advertise it in the comedy block? It's not like their cards are great advertising.

jbanks97

06-13-2005, 11:11 PM

I'm a big fan of openings...........to a point.

I think BeBop of course is absolutely brilliant, even 4 years later. I've really enjoyed GITS and FMA's as well, they get you pumped up for the show (even if the episode turns out to be lame). Paranoia Agent's I originally thought was stupid, but brilliantly works with the show. Scryed is ok I guess

On the other hand..
Reign was absolutley pointless.
Champloo is well animated (but I think the song is kind of lame).
The same could be said for Wolf's Rain and Blue Genders.
FLCL has no opening and I don't think has ever suffered for it.
Inuyasha, YuYu's, and Milk Chan's just sucked.

The only one's I wish they showed but don't are Trigun's and WHR's

I think AS's policy is just "show what they like". Most are on the web anyway if someone is really curious

SirLemming

06-13-2005, 11:21 PM

The only one's I wish they showed but don't are Trigun's and WHR'sYeah, those are both awesome -- especially WHR's. Although maybe it's good that they didn't have it so I wouldn't get tricked into wanting to watch the show.

James Bester

06-13-2005, 11:23 PM

Then again, perhaps Inu-yasha fans still aren't adjusted to the 11:00 timeslot and still tune in at 12:30. There's another reason that ASA is failing. Adult Swim never advertises anime during ASC.

Wounded_Dragon

06-13-2005, 11:46 PM

There's another reason that ASA is failing. Adult Swim never advertises anime during ASC.
I don't think it'd matter. IY fans failed to show up the last time, and that was when IY had *two* slots.

Samurai Champloo did have a night with Futurama as a lead-off and it wasn't bad.

Actually, I'm beginning to wonder if this "let's show a movie before we do a major schedule change" is what backfired on them.

Youko Recca

06-13-2005, 11:57 PM

It wouldn't hurt to advertise a struggling lineup during a time when ratings are more prevalent...though.

Rabi~en~Rose

06-14-2005, 12:35 AM

I dont know what you guys have or havent been watching but I saw new IY ads during Futur last week and F-Guy on Sunday so maybe AS has decided to kick things up a notch? anyway IY must do well enough to keep its 12:30 weeknight spot so if they aren't already doing it AS should also advertise the new episodes during the old ones

The Collector

06-14-2005, 12:42 AM

My guess is that we'll find out if comedy is coming back to Saturdays in three weeks. I'm thinking FLCL was put back in the lineup for this exact reason, giving an all action Saturday six weeks to prove it can keep the ratings at an acceptable level or proving that it can't survive on its own. I have no clue where the cut-off line is, but I know it's a lot higher than where those ratings were. I can only hope next week is much better.

Youko Recca

06-14-2005, 01:16 AM

I dont know what you guys have or haven't been watching, but I saw new IY ads during Futurama last week and F-Guy on Sunday. So maybe AS has decided to kick things up a notch?
That's not good enough, honestly. Inuyasha isn't even the best anime they have anymore when it comes to bringing in ratings. Let's try full block promotions like the previous ASA. That one with all the finger snapping is the last one I can recall. The ones for individual ASA shows have been more in abundance, but only during ASA slots.

Sketch

06-14-2005, 02:24 AM

Here's an idea...

They could swap Thursday and Saturday's line-ups so Saturday is the encore of everything new that week and Thursday is all action. Some may not like it but it's very likely that the all anime line-up could do better on a night when more people are home watching television. And encores of American Dad and Family Guy will get ratings no matter what day they are on.

Nyarl

06-14-2005, 04:54 AM

I think that beren makes a good point about comedy repeats potentially stagnating growth. Unfortunately, I doubt that AS would want to throw new American Dad or Family Guy episodes on Saturdays, breaking up the synergy for Sundays, if they’ve really worked things out with FOX and have a choice in the matter.

Putting DragonBall Z “uncut” on Toonami at 10:30 PM might help an all action AS block, if CN is willing to help AS, and doesn’t expect it to stand on its own. Justice League might help in that slot, but I doubt CN would want to mess with that show much, and it would be a rather temporary fix.

On a whinging Conan fan note: We’ll get “the Last Dive”, but where’d the other two unaired, but skipped-for-DVD-release Case Closed eps go? One of them is actually kind of plot relevant.

Shnay

06-14-2005, 04:23 PM

And yet, PA's the one that can't get into the top 3.

I'm honestly not surprised. One thing my writing professor drilled into me was the beginning of every story needs a hook. PA's first episode was...more whiny than interesting. Add to that the slightly creepy opening and well...bam, drive away people. Maybe PA will rebound, but I don't see it beating either SC or IY...ever. Scryed maybe, although I find it more interesting.I don't know, in the talkback thread for the first episode, it seemed like the majority of the replies were along the lines of "I don't know exactly what's going on, but I'm definitely intigued...and the opening rocks." I realize that those posting on an Adult Swim message board do not represent the average viewer, but if the reactions here are any indication of what others who tuned in thought of the show, then the first episode and the show's opening are not the problem.

Also, I think you're too quick in calling what scares people away. Every original comedy WS has made has had something odd about it that would scare many TV viewers away, but they managed to find large success (though it did take some of them quite awhile to do so). Adult Swim is, for the most part, an off-beat block of programming that most people would probably find too weird for their tastes. But there are a relatively large number of people who like a lot of the off-beat programming AS presents. While it remains to be seen how well Paranoia Agent will perform in the long run, I think theorizing that it can't do well because it's weird and not like other "action" anime would be like saying ATHF couldn't succeed because it's not like other comedy shows.

Beat

06-14-2005, 07:30 PM

Before I start, I'd like to once again remind people that when put in a poll against Samurai Champloo and Gungrave for "What show would you want on ASA", Paranoia Agent finished a distant third. And here it is, stinking up the block anyway.

I think the problem with the anime is simple. Scryed beats Paranoia Agent because it is an action show, not a pretentious psychobabble drama. It's not the best action show, but it is an action show and that's why it's doing better than Paranoia Agent.

Inu-Yasha lost ratings because nothing happened in 50+ episodes. 80% of the audience is scared off, and what little remains is further scared off by Paranoia Agent, a show on Adult Swim Action that has no action. It's that simple.

Discloner

06-14-2005, 07:39 PM

Beatdigga, I don't think anyone can call 285,000 as beating anything. Who cares if it came in before or after PA...it's a horrible number to begin with. In fact, all the numbers for Saturday this weekend were really bad...EVEN Samurai Champloo, the show you're essentially saying could save the block.

SC's pithy 300,000-something would hardly be enough to save an action block. If anything's killing ASA, it could very well be One Piece and it's drastic maturity difference from AS. That difference would only increase if you back up the circus music filled One Piece with the rap, sex, and blood filled Samurai Champloo.

SC's editing could very well suffer because of it too.

I haven't seen anything in PA to label it a 'Pychobabble drama'. Yes, you are right. It's not action. But I hardly think there's anything in it that makes it pychobabble. Odd maybe...but what show outside ASA isn't odd in it's own right?

EDIT: Also...I don't get your "Inu yasha fans turned against it" point. If rabid fans dropped a series as soon as it started to get boring and repetative...why was DBZ such a smash hit? I mean, it's essentially a year's worth of filler.

Demonic Raven

06-14-2005, 07:43 PM

If anything's killing ASA, it could very well be One Piece and it's drastic maturity difference from AS.Heh, I can see that happening.

"Hey, I wonder what comes on right before Adult Sw- oh..................ooooohhhh my. This is....horrid. *click*"

Beat

06-14-2005, 07:43 PM

I'm saying that two shows are killing the block right now. Paranoia Agent with its non-action, and Inu-Yasha, which like almost all Rumiko works, started strong but ran into a brick wall midway through. People cannot and more importantly, will not go out of their way to watch one show sandwiched between two bad ones. If Futurama, Family Guy, or American Dad returned to lead off the block, you can bet the 11:00 hour would have good ratings.

I do agree however, than 4Kids ANYTHING before Adult Swim will not help.

Youko Recca

06-14-2005, 07:46 PM

I'm thinking the term "psychobabble" has been used to describe shows of the past so much, that when we finally get the smart show it's immediatly labled as the forementioned. I won't deny it's kinda pretentious but come on, atleast all of what's present in PA holds strength to it.

And come on Beat, no duh, action is always a big factor in holding the attention of AS's audience. Damnit, humans naturally need verbs in their life. I'm puzzled by how PA can be a cause for the ratings of everything(scaring viewers off?), it's position isn't located at a point where the attention of the overall night has been compromised.

Shnay

06-14-2005, 07:58 PM

I can't speak for other viewers, but I would be very dissapointed if the motto for anime on Adult Swim became "Less talking, more fighting!"

Scirel

06-14-2005, 08:10 PM

I can't speak for other viewers, but I would be very dissapointed if the motto for anime on Adult Swim became "Less talking, more fighting!"
Then Adult Swim action should be renamed to Adult Swim Anime. If the block is called action, people expect action. I like PA, but it is in no way an action show.

livingfruitvirus

06-14-2005, 08:15 PM

Then Adult Swim action should be renamed to Adult Swim Anime. If the block is called action, people expect action. I like PA, but it is in no way an action show.Where's it called Adult Swim Action anyway? Besides by fans.

Shnay

06-14-2005, 08:21 PM

I always felt the "action" description was restrictive, and found the division between "action" and "comedy" blocks to be unnecessary. Adult Swim allows for content that couldn't be shown elsewhere on Cartoon Network to air, but it also allows for animated programs to reach an adult audience. I would hate to see Adult Swim only take advantage of the first of these two benefits. Why limit anime aimed at adults to only being about more violent action? Why assume that adults can only be entertained if there's lots of fighting going on?

LordByronius

06-14-2005, 08:34 PM

jbanks97

06-14-2005, 09:39 PM

Before I start, I'd like to once again remind people that when put in a poll against Samurai Champloo and Gungrave for "What show would you want on ASA", Paranoia Agent finished a distant third. And here it is, stinking up the block anyway.Oh Lordy Lordy
Instead of taking the top 2 anime shows from a crappy internet poll, they took 2 of the top 3???????????????? THOSE BASTARDS!!! I bet they secretly hate anime and are just trying to get the block canceled!!!!!!!!:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

I think the problem with the anime is simple. Scryed beats Paranoia Agent because it is an action show, not a pretentious psychobabble drama. It's not the best action show, but it is an action show and that's why it's doing better than Paranoia Agent.Oh PLEASE
1. PA is shot like a mystery/thriller. It's a character study about a bunch of people paranoid, and what happens when they get hit in the head with a baseball bat. It's as simple as that. No pretentious talk about tomatoes, or finding paradise, or the meaning of humanity as a robot. Just crazy people getting hit in the head. That's all. Anyone who's a fan of intelligent characterization and scary movies should watch. It's completely accesible to anyone who likes intelligent television.
2. Since when did AS saturday require all shows to have fight scenes to qualify as good? And it's not like PA is completely without action. Much of it buildup to the action, but any good thriller should focus more on the buildup. Hitchcock didn't fill Psycho with action either.

Inu-Yasha lost ratings because nothing happened in 50+ episodes. .
If anything, the only Inuyasha's I could stand are the one's where it wasn't ALL ABOUT NARAKU. If I wanted to watch 160+ episodes that were nothing but one continuous battle between the same damn characters I would watch DBZ

pabcool

06-14-2005, 09:42 PM

The block would do well with a restructuring, here's my shot at it:

11.0. FullMetal Alchemist
11.5. Samurai Champloo
12.0. S-cry-ed
12.5. Paranoia Agent
1.0. InuYasha
1.5. Cowboy Bebop

Fullmetal draws the big crowds and there is only a small drop-off with Champloo. The action fans get S-cry-ed, followed by a drop-off with Paranoia Agent, but more numbers with the more devoted, regular ASA viewers. InuYasha should debut episodes on weekdays to freshen up all the reruns, but keep a 1AM spot with Bebop as together they are the ASA mainstays with the biggest fanbase.

I would also like to take the time to state just how pissed off I am that the vast majority of Nielsen viewers prefer the airy, stale S-cry-ed to the clever, imaginative, gripping Paranoia Agent.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

livingfruitvirus

06-14-2005, 09:50 PM

Fullmetal draws the big crowds and there is only a small drop-off with Champloo.But Fullmetal always had a comedy lead-in for its premieres. If it were not to, for all we know it might drop off like every other show. It'd be nice to know how it's doing on weeknights. Sure it's not a fair comparison, but out of curiosity and all.

Youko Recca

06-14-2005, 09:52 PM

*If* Fullmetal Alchemist would prove a strong opening for the block, then the drop-off for Champloo wouldn't be big. It's premier proved it could hold a good number of people if they're already being attracted by the opening slot.

shoujoaifan

06-14-2005, 10:30 PM

About One Piece:

Its not causing a big drop-off. Its not. Those of you who hate it can hate it, and HELL, you have the RIGHT to hate it considering the content TMNT and Shaman King air on the same block. Its a vessel of old editing in the modern world of dubbed kids anime for TV.

But its NOT causing a drop-off in viewers. SC was getting good/excellant ratings before with Futurama on. And yes, Sat. ratings for Futurama in the past were not as good as weekdays. But weekday Futurama airs after stuff like DBGT. Its not what crappy kids' show is before it, its what comedy show is before it and what day it is. OP has been on Toonami longer than SC has been on AS, and its a Sat. with less viewers since many are out. Sat. will never be as good as weekdays which do fine with kids shows before it, and its only going do good by Sat. standards with comedy on.

Those who hate OP can hate it all you want and you're justified. But its not the problem and never was.

jbanks97

06-14-2005, 10:41 PM

Wounded_Dragon

06-14-2005, 11:18 PM

I would also like to take the time to state just how pissed off I am that the vast majority of Nielsen viewers prefer the airy, stale S-cry-ed to the clever, imaginative, gripping Paranoia Agent.
Maybe it's not as gripping as you think?

SirLemming

06-14-2005, 11:20 PM

Why not put S-Cry-ed on at 10:30?
I don't really see what's so adult about it (although it still could shock me and pull a kikaider where an episode is about a character's mother blowing her brains out) No, trust me, it won't shock you. There are maybe a couple of somewhat intense death scenes that could easily be fit for Toonami with a simple edit or two.

Rabi~en~Rose

06-14-2005, 11:22 PM

But Fullmetal always had a comedy lead-in for its premieres. If it were not to, for all we know it might drop off like every other show. It'd be nice to know how it's doing on weeknights. Sure it's not a fair comparison, but out of curiosity and all.

what if FMA/GitS's/all anime after Futurams ratings were artificial? thats a scary thought :eek:

The Landstander

06-14-2005, 11:31 PM

what if FMA/GitS's/all anime after Futurams ratings were artificial? Well really, just about everything that ever got good ratings on AS involved Futurama or Family Guy somehow. ATHF only got popular after a weekday run at 12 AM (which was originally just a test, if I remember right); Venture Brothers did bad on Saturdays until it was put after Futurama; Saturdays seem to only work with one as a front-runner (or so it seems); and though to a lesser extent, Robot Chicken was the meat of a Family Guy bun.

Oh, and I personally have really liked PA so far (psychobabble? It's been a pretty easy to follow psychological thriller from what I've watched) but I guess I can see why people wouldn't watch it.

Rabi~en~Rose

06-14-2005, 11:48 PM

Well really, just about everything that ever got good ratings on AS involved Futurama or Family Guy somehow. ATHF only got popular after a weekday run at 12 AM (which was originally just a test, if I remember right); Venture Brothers did bad on Saturdays until it was put after Futurama; Saturdays seem to only work with one as a front-runner (or so it seems); and though to a lesser extent, Robot Chicken was the meat of a Family Guy bun.

that sounds reasonable but bad :( its all over for AS when people stop tuning in to the F's

Youko Recca

06-14-2005, 11:59 PM

Anyone knows what Hitler's number translates to on his talkshow?

Wounded_Dragon

06-15-2005, 12:02 AM

Why are people dumb for not watching Paranoia Agent? I only watch it because it's between Samurai Champloo and Scryed and I want to know how it ends. But I want to know how every story ends, so that's not a comment on PA's effectiveness.

I consider myself well-read and intelligent. Snow Crash, David Copperfield, Neuromancer, The Grapes of Wrath, Of Mice and Men, Hamlet, All the King's Men, Farnham's Freehold, grace my bookshelves, alongside various texts and anthologies. Heinlien's Stranger in a Strange Land, Clancy's Patriot Games, and Dee Brown's Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee sit right above my computer monitor.

And after all that, PA so far feels like a pretentious short story that any normal person would scratch their head in wonder at how the author got published (and paid). Maybe that'll change by the end, maybe not.

Have you ever considered that it's not because PA's "too" anything but rather it's "not enough." Little Slugger and talking doll, while weird, aren't THAT weird. The OP is weird but not THAT weird. Etc, etc.

Youko Recca

06-15-2005, 12:13 AM

Had you not said anything I would have never guessed a discussion over Paranoia Agent would have been in the works.

Rabi~en~Rose

06-15-2005, 12:35 AM

it just occured to me that AS didn't celebrate the cards 2nd birthday back on May 24th and neither did we in the weekly C&C so happy late birthday cards :)

shoujoaifan

06-15-2005, 01:00 AM

it just occured to me that AS didn't celebrate the cards 2nd birthday back on May 24th and neither did we in the weekly C&C so happy late birthday cards :)Wow, has it been 2 years already?

I remember when they switched from old swimming people to animated bumpers that got dropped after only a few months, scratching my head at first. Then I started laughing. Then they started showing the weekday cards for 4 weeks until a new batch, then another 4 weeks and so on. Then they started to suck. Then they went out of their way to suck like on Sealab. Then it started to recover, not as great as before but recovered FAR better than Sealab. Long before this point I stopped going out of my way to watch them all. (I've REALLY got stop describing things in detail!)

Now, unless I'm getting up for something, if I'm just sitting there I'll read them. Some are funny, most are eh, and occasionally something stands out. Same with the Thurs. viewers cards. And of course I always read the ratings cards when they show up.

(I miss the segments with Brak. They didn't try to be anything else then grown men playing with puppets so they were funny for what they were, but I can see how that could be boring after all, along with them ending The Brak Show out of desire rather than ratings.)

Zyzzybalubah

06-15-2005, 04:36 AM

Let's try full block promotions like the previous ASA. That one with all the finger snapping is the last one I can recall.
Yeah, and let's do a better ad than that too. Seriously that one was so stupid and why would they have the music from "Uh OH!"? If that wasn't bad enough, the first time I actually saw that ad was after it was announced that Futurama and Sealab were going to join Saturday in 2 or so weeks. )

William C. Maune

06-15-2005, 08:21 AM

I actually thought that ad was one of Williams St's best ever.

Rabi~en~Rose

06-15-2005, 09:38 AM

I liked when they randomly inserted Family Guy into the ASAction promo lol

vegetable

06-15-2005, 12:00 PM

ADSM Total Day Ratings (Period: June 6-12)

413,000 viewers 18-34 (#1)
550,000 viewers 18-49 (#4)
341,000 viewers 25-54 (#7)
1,065,000 viewers 2+ (#4)

UP: everything
DOWN: nothing
N/A: sub-demos

Top Telecasts (2+)

6/12/05
Family Guy - 2,361,000

6/9/05
Family Guy - 2,360,000

COMPETITION: Spongebob, Fairly Oddparents, Into the West, The 4400, sports sports sports

Top Telecasts (18-34)

6/12/05
Family Guy - 1,172,000

COMPETITION: Sports, The 4400, sports, sports, sports

Mugen

06-15-2005, 12:14 PM

I knew new-to-AS Family Guy episodes would get good ratings, but I never thought it would be that good.:eek:

Rabi~en~Rose

06-15-2005, 12:55 PM

I knew new-to-AS Family Guy episodes would get good ratings, but I never thought it would be that good.:eek:

it might actually be the F-Guy rerun from 11:30 for some reason the 11:30 spot does better then 11 now a days

Sketch

06-15-2005, 01:22 PM

No, trust me, it won't shock you. There are maybe a couple of somewhat intense death scenes that could easily be fit for Toonami with a simple edit or two.Now that DBZ is airing TV-PG on prime time it seems all the more reasonable for s-CRY-ed to air on Toonami. However... s-CRY-ed has little to no marketing power and it's just there for some fresh filler it seems. CN would rather air One Piece at 10:30PM until Naruto and BoBoBo show up. It's sad really... but at least s-CRY-ed is getting a shot on television.

I REALLY hope they don't go back to Futurama at 11PM. I'd much rather have American Dad there if there has to be a comedy. We know WS shows and VB wont hold their own if they air first (for the most part) so it's gonna have to be Futurama, Family Guy or American Dad and I vote for American Dad because it's some fresh comedy and I bore of the reruns of Family Guy and especailly Futurama.

Mugen

06-15-2005, 01:55 PM

I REALLY hope they don't go back to Futurama at 11PM. I'd much rather have American Dad there if there has to be a comedy. We know WS shows and VB wont hold their own if they air first (for the most part) so it's gonna have to be Futurama, Family Guy or American Dad and I vote for American Dad because it's some fresh comedy and I bore of the reruns of Family Guy and especailly Futurama.
Heh, your in a small minority in tiring of reruns of Family Guy and Futurama. I mean compared the millions of people who watch it every day.:D

Zyzzybalubah

06-15-2005, 03:55 PM

Well after the midnight show of Batman Begins, I got home and wasn't tired, so for once I was able to stay up late for Detective Conan. :) It's a great show and I missed it. You know, I don't see why AS just couldn't put that extra hour after the FMA/GitS hour and then bump the repeats up an hour each. I mean, are the Family Guy/Futurama ratings THAT great in the 2 AM spot or do they matter that much during that time?

Oh well, what can you do....

P.S. For all I care they can just do it Monday-Wednesday and start them in the 5 AM spot one premiere nights such as Sunday, Thursday (technically), and Saturday.

shoujoaifan

06-15-2005, 04:05 PM

Say what you will about PA (I've enjoyed it so far) but HONESTLY: Did anyone actually think it was going to do great?

C'mon, its a miracle that WR once or twice got in the Top 3 near the end. It doesn't matter wether or not PA is pyschobabble or an intellectual show that's not just intellectual in name, but is actually intelligent. It doesn't. As oxymoronic as it sounds, the "mainstream anime viewers" (FMA getting into the 600,000 is a miracle in itself) just do NOT care about intelligence. They want relaxing fluff.

(I love FG and its supposedly well written according to some experts, not just throwing out references but the script logically leading up to them and references are used in jokes making fun of them, instead of just being thrown out there. BUUUUUUT it wouldn't have to be. The mainstream would laugh at a reference without any setup or punchline whatsoever)

Am I at all saying we should dumb it down since the general viewers don't want to think? NOOOOOO. I don't have to, they do it themselves with the ratings. We're lucky some creative and occasionally intelligent shows make it through for a short while, like HM. We're also lucky that WS even bothers to overlook time-tested, homgenizing TV industry marketing to even take a chance with this show.

I'm just saying that this didn't come as any surprise and I honestly don't think, for PA anyway, that things will get any better.

Beat

06-15-2005, 05:33 PM

The point of this is all is that we know intellectual shows, whether or not they actually are intellectual or not, fail miserably. Yet it seems that Williams Street wants nothing but these types of shows for their anime. Why? They are killing the block by putting these kinds of shows on.

NickWhiz1

06-15-2005, 05:42 PM

Discloner

06-15-2005, 06:01 PM

Yet it seems that Williams Street wants nothing but these types of shows for their anime. Why? They are killing the block by putting these kinds of shows on. They don't want to be the ADV of Anime broadcasting. It's clear that Adult Swim is picking up Anime that they think will be remembered for quality (which....is why I'm suprised by s-CRY-ed). Intellectual = smart. Smart = quality.

Or atleast in AS's eyes. So far the formula has worked for me, the only Anime they've picked up that I've absolutely hated was Witch Hunter Robin.

Beat

06-15-2005, 06:23 PM

They don't want to be the ADV of Anime broadcasting. It's clear that Adult Swim is picking up Anime that they think will be remembered for quality (which....is why I'm suprised by s-CRY-ed). Intellectual = smart. Smart = quality.
They're not quality shows when...

1. They only pretend to be smart, like far too many of AS's shows have

and more importantly.

2. No one watches.

Say what you will about ADV, but they make a decent profit yearly. Maybe airing something that isn't "OMG MYSETROIUS!" wouldn't be a bad thing.

Master Moron

06-15-2005, 06:25 PM

Paranoia Agent gets the least advertising out of the animes on Saturday so it's not surprising that it doesn't get into the top 3.

livingfruitvirus

06-15-2005, 06:43 PM

They're not quality shows when...

1. They only pretend to be smart, like far too many of AS's shows have

and more importantly.

2. No one watches.I'll bet if one of the shows that's only on DVD at the moment that you enjoy aired, and its ratings stunk, it would be someone else's fault.

LordByronius

06-15-2005, 06:47 PM

1. They only pretend to be smart, like far too many of AS's shows have

That Satoshi Kon, what a poser, man. Like he'd know how to make a clever, interesting cartoon, ever.

oh Beatdigga, you wacky scamp!

Beat

06-15-2005, 06:52 PM

I'll bet if one of the shows that's only on DVD at the moment that you enjoy aired, and its ratings stunk, it would be someone else's fault.
Not necessarily. I admit my tastes can be *AHEM* unique at times.

But it's pretty obvious to everyone that keeps up with the ratings that the psychobabble shows don't work. That's all I'm saying. This isn't about personal preference, but rather about dismal universal ratings.

The Landstander

06-15-2005, 07:20 PM

Maybe airing something that isn't "OMG MYSETROIUS!" wouldn't be a bad thing.You mean like Inuyasha, Samurai Champloo or Scryed?

Perhaps AS simply finds PA to be a appropiate/intelligent/good show for the block? They said in a bump they liked it, and judging from the talkback threads here at least some of the 'bigger' AS fans are enjoying it. And it's not like they aren't giving the mainstream fans what they want; IY apparently got ratings, it's on. Champloo apparently got ratings, it's on (though there is the Futurama factor....but that's another thing entirely).

Personal taste aside, I don't see the big problem with keeping some variety, even if it isn't bringing in the biggest amount of viewers.

SirLemming

06-15-2005, 08:28 PM

But it's pretty obvious to everyone that keeps up with the ratings that the psychobabble shows don't work. That's all I'm saying. This isn't about personal preference, but rather about dismal universal ratings. Could you explain what constitutes "psychobabble"? I really haven't seen any yet. I've understood most of what's been happening in the show. Have you seen more episodes than what have aired?

True psychobabble, as I understand it, was all the long speeches about "memories" and stuff in Big O II. I don't see anything unnecessarily high-minded going on in PA. Weird, but understandable, except for some stuff like Moromi talking, but that doesn't seem like "psychobabble" to me. It hasn't been a very "babble"-y show in general.

jbanks97

06-15-2005, 11:27 PM

PA to me is the show MOST likely to appeal to the mainstream, (assuming the mainstream gives the show a chance). I concur on the no psychobabble. The plots haven't even been hard to understand. People in mental pain+get hit in the head+cops investigate-that's All.

There's no 13 episodes babbling about the nature of reality.
There's no show about lunar flowers.

If anything Scryed is the type of show the mainstream percieves anime is. Just a bunch of fighting and piss poor dialogue. Nothing worth pulling in the big audiences.

I swear I will take every good thing I say about PA though if they do another B.S. non-ending like Big O or Wolf's Rain

Ben

06-16-2005, 02:34 PM

Master Moron

06-16-2005, 03:11 PM

Scirel

06-16-2005, 03:18 PM

I'm beginning to think the term psychobabble is overused. I mean, what the hell does it even mean? Very few of these shows actually babble about psychology. Big O and Kikaider maybe. Witch Hunter Robin babbles about...something...not sure it's psychology though...Ghost in the Shell was more technobabble than psychobabble. And while Wolf's Rain may have been incredibly slow paced, I really didn't notice too much psychobabble, most of the characters seemed to rely mostly on their instincts and probably wouldn't care to discuss psychology.
It`s the best term that has been found to describe anime that has a pretentious attitude and often delves into long speeches about human nature and stuff like that, and often have "dreamlike" components that look deep on the surface but really aren`t.

Ex(Psychobabble or not, I do like some of these shows) : Big O2, Blue Gender, WR, WHR, Kikaider, Pilot Candidate, and some others.

Swordfish_II

06-16-2005, 03:19 PM

I'm beginning to think the term psychobabble is overused. I mean, what the hell does it even mean?
"Language characterized by the often inaccurate use of jargon from psychiatry and psychotherapy"

Yeah, haven't really noticed much of that.

Scirel

06-16-2005, 03:21 PM

"Language characterized by the often inaccurate use of jargon from psychiatry and psychotherapy"

Yeah, haven't really noticed much of that.
I`d say that`s a little broad, since just about every show with a Split-personality charachter is called a schizophrenic, when in reality the correct term for that condition is Multiple Personality Disorder.

Ben

06-16-2005, 04:20 PM

It`s the best term that has been found to describe anime that has a pretentious attitude and often delves into long speeches about human nature and stuff like that, and often have "dreamlike" components that look deep on the surface but really aren`t.

Ex(Psychobabble or not, I do like some of these shows) : Big O2, Blue Gender, WR, WHR, Kikaider, Pilot Candidate, and some others.

And how does Paranoia Agent fit that description? There are one or two overly talky episodes (11 springs to mind) but almost the entire show expresses its themes through the action, to a greater extent than almost everything else, including all the shows you mentioned as well as Gundam and Scryed.

Ah well. I will admit I was surprised to hear Paranoia Agent had been put on the air at all, so I'm content that everyone here got a chance to enjoy it.

Wounded_Dragon

06-16-2005, 04:26 PM

Why are people so stupid? I mean, seriously. S-cry-ed is an awful show that has been made fifteen times already and they watch it instead of quite possibly the only completely original anime ever to air on U.S. television?

I lament humanity.
Why are people who don't like what you do stupid? And original is not the same as good or entertaining.

Ben

06-16-2005, 04:32 PM

Why are people who don't like what you do stupid?

OK, sorry, they're not necessarily stupid. I will grant that it is possible to dislike Paranoia Agent for reasons other than being stupid. Though that doesn't forclose on the possibility that stupidity is a contributing factor for someone out there. :p

And original is not the same as good or entertaining.

No, but it sure helps.

Beat

06-16-2005, 04:37 PM

OK, sorry, they're not necessarily stupid. I will grant that it is possible to dislike Paranoia Agent for reasons other than being stupid.
Barring whether or not it's a good show or not, (which is completely up to personal opinion), I simply believe that the acts that preceeded Paranoia Agent, which for the most part have been universally subpar, have seriously lowered people's desire to watch a psychobabble show.

Shnay

06-16-2005, 04:40 PM

...a psychobabble show.You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Beat

06-16-2005, 04:43 PM

It's the best description for what Adult Swim is airing when it chooses to put on Kikaider, Wolf's Rain, Big O II, and now Paranoia Agent...

Matt Hazuda

06-16-2005, 04:45 PM

It's the best description for what Adult Swim is airing when it chooses to put on Kikaider, Wolf's Rain, Big O II, and now Paranoia Agent...Yet you still don't verifiy that you know what it actually means.

Like my dad says, "If you don't know how to use a word properly, don't use it!"

Ben

06-16-2005, 04:46 PM

It's the best description for what Adult Swim is airing when it chooses to put on Kikaider, Wolf's Rain, Big O II, and now Paranoia Agent...

This is like that Sesame Street game. One of these things is not like the others. Kikaider, Wolf's Rain and Big O were all action shows that moved really slowly. Paranoia Agent is a thriller that moves incredibly fast. They have almost nothing in common.

Beat

06-16-2005, 04:48 PM

Yet you still don't verifiy that you know what it actually means.

Like my dad says, "If you don't know how to use a word properly, don't use it!"
In television, psychobabble is basically using words that sound fancy and intelligent without understanding their contenxt in order to sound smarter than you really are. Most of these shows present these sprawling ideas about humanity, creation, etc, and have no clue what they're talking about.

Shnay

06-16-2005, 04:49 PM

Edit: Whoops, got a response while I was typing. Also, I didn't know words had different meanings when used to describe television and when used to describe other things, but I guess you learn something every day. The original post below was in response to Beatdigga's last response to my last response.
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Have you read the other posts in this thread that make pretty good cases for why the show shouldn't be considered "pyschobabble"? Or the one that actually defined what that term means and shows that PA has not once (so far) done anything that would make that word an apt description? Or the post that asks you, specifically, what you mean when you keep using that term and why you think it applies? Others have made pretty good arguments as to why PA isn't "pyschobabble," and all the only counter argument I've seen from you is "Yeah, it is."

Call it pretentious if you must (though I honestly don't see it), but I don't think psychobabble is the word you're looking for.

Ben

06-16-2005, 04:52 PM

In television, psychobabble is basically using words that sound fancy and intelligent without understanding their contenxt in order to sound smarter than you really are. Most of these shows present these sprawling ideas about humanity, creation, etc, and have no clue what they're talking about.

Do you seriously believe Satoshi Kon is clueless?

EDIT: [reads other posts] Sorry, Beatdigga. I didn't mean to gang up on you like this! Though I think backing up your argument with examples from Paranoia Agent will help us understand your point of view.

Captain Harlock

06-16-2005, 04:55 PM

In television, psychobabble is basically using words that sound fancy and intelligent without understanding their contenxt in order to sound smarter than you really are.

Paranoia Agent is simply examining the human condition in several different situations. The episode dealing with Ichi shows jealousy and how negative jealousy can be. The first episode has Tuskiko is using her story as means for escape. The third episode deals with dual personalities. There's nothing overly preachy here thus far, and I don't think it falls into something as "psychobabble". I've seen the whole series and I think the show is acceptable and more fast paced. Other psychological shows suffer from too much slowdown, while PA avoids that.

Most of these shows present these sprawling ideas about humanity, creation, etc, and have no clue what they're talking about.

Who does? Nobody is right when it comes to this.

Ben

06-16-2005, 04:56 PM

Who does? Nobody is right when it comes to this.

That's kind of a cynical outlook, isn't it? Can't you find pieces of your own truth in the artifacts and people you encounter?

Beat

06-16-2005, 04:56 PM

Well, yeah, if it's a buzzword. Which I seem to be guilty of overusing.:sweat:

Do I think Satoshi Kon is clueless? No. Do I think the average viewer cares what Satoshi Kon is thinking? No way. Most viewers do not want to think deeply about television, regardless of how good the show is.

Captain Harlock

06-16-2005, 04:57 PM

That's kind of a cynical outlook, isn't it? Can't you find pieces of your own truth in the artifacts and people you encounter?

Of course, but you can't call someone's vision right or wrong like Paranoia Agent when it's the vision that Kon created. it's all up to viewpoint.

Ben

06-16-2005, 05:02 PM

Do I think Satoshi Kon is clueless? No. Do I think the average viewer cares what Satoshi Kon is thinking? No way. Most viewers do not want to think deeply about television, regardless of how good the show is.

All right, now we're getting somewhere. I know a lot of people enjoy caring deeply about television shows like The O.C., but I think what you're saying is that people don't want to think about themselves too much when they're watching TV. Am I right?

I can buy that perspective, but I feel sorry for people who only watch television as a mental anaesthetic. I know I've been there too, and it's not a healthy place to be. If you don't work some really challenging things into your cultural diet along with the fluff your brain just rots from the inside.

Of course, but you can't call someone's vision right or wrong like Paranoia Agent when it's the vision that Kon created. it's all up to viewpoint.

Saying no one is right is going too far, though. Everyone is right to a certain extent. Half empty, half full debate.

Shnay

06-16-2005, 05:10 PM

Most viewers do not want to think deeply about television, regardless of how good the show is.A few thoughts about this:

First, I don't think PA really requires "deep thinking." It's not mindless fun, but it's not something that requires the utmost concentration and intense study to get anything out of.

Secondly, there are a number of TV shows out there (both comedy and drama) that don't appeal to whatever we're assuming "most viewers" want that are quite successful. Comedies that aren't wacky sitcoms and dramas that aren't cookie cutter cop shows can still reach a fairly large audience and meet with both financial and critical success.

Finally, what should Adult Swim hope to accomplish with it's programming block? Williams Street doesn't seem to operate like most network executives do. I get the impression that they will allow certain shows that might not have the broadest appeal to get on the air if they think it is good television. They know TV is a business, but it doesn't seem like they're so driven by maximizing profits that they'll stick to formulaic stuff in favor of something original.

Beat

06-16-2005, 05:10 PM

All right, now we're getting somewhere. I know a lot of people enjoy caring deeply about television shows like The O.C., but I think what you're saying is that people don't want to think about themselves too much when they're watching TV. Am I right?
That's pretty much been my point from the start, but it seems the overuse of certain buzzwords may have distracted people from that.

Paranoia Agent's quality is irrelievant. When you air a show at midnight on a Saturday that requires deep thinking, few people, if any, will tune in because they probably don't want to think too deeply. Futurama does not require that much deep thinking, and neither do Family Guy and American Dad. You can think about them deeply, but it is by no means required to enjoy the show, wheras it is a necessity to enjoy Paranoia Agent.

Master Moron

06-16-2005, 05:24 PM

I think the point here is that after watching shows like Kikaider and Witch Hunter Robin which are mostly pretentious, slow moving crap that tend to lack comic relief that when you get a show like Paranoia Agent, which doesn't have a lot of action, but is not really pretentious or slow moving, that people have a tendency to categorize it with the other shows that lack action and comic relief as well.

In other words, I think some people might find a tone somewhat similar to the other shows, but it would be a mistake to think that everything else about the show is similar.

But, it worries me that Adult Swim might have lost the opportunity to show serious series like Paranoia Agent after feeding crap like Witch Hunter Robin to their audience for so long. Perhaps now the audience takes one look at Paranoia Agent and thinks it's like the shows that came before it even when it's not. Actually, I remember reading on this board that Paranoia Agent was slow moving like Witch Hunter Robin and I thought "Oh, no. Not again." But, it turns out Paranoia Agent is almost completely different from the shows that came before.

Shnay

06-16-2005, 05:32 PM

I would like to say that I completely agree with Master Moron. I am noting this because I think this is the first time that I have been in complete agreement with Master Moron during our three years on these boards.

Well said, good sir.

Scirel

06-16-2005, 06:15 PM

And how does Paranoia Agent fit that description? There are one or two overly talky episodes (11 springs to mind) but almost the entire show expresses its themes through the action, to a greater extent than almost everything else, including all the shows you mentioned as well as Gundam and Scryed.

Ah well. I will admit I was surprised to hear Paranoia Agent had been put on the air at all, so I'm content that everyone here got a chance to enjoy it.

Huh? I`ve said several times that I don`t consider PA to be a psychobabble show. I was making a list of ones AS has aired that IMO, were. I also liked some of them, psychobabble or not.

Rabi~en~Rose

06-16-2005, 11:03 PM

its a little late to promote Saturdays now AS :( well maybe not since there still will be 4 premieres so maybe starting the hype train now will help

G1Ravage

06-16-2005, 11:04 PM

OUCH. [as] blasts the low numbers on Saturdays.

Youko Recca

06-16-2005, 11:10 PM

What did they say?

Rabi~en~Rose

06-17-2005, 12:15 AM

the opening card said like they were having a get together in 2 days meaning saturday and that many new episodes would premiere and that they would like if someone showed up

Pizzaguy24

06-17-2005, 12:29 AM

After seeing those numbers I can't blame them

MegaJ

06-17-2005, 12:54 AM

How does PA requires "deep thinking?" I've seen the first four episodes on DVD, and the themes and symbols are pretty straightforward. I say it rapes Lost in mystery and intrique and I like Lost.

Beat

06-17-2005, 09:21 AM

Master Moron pretty much summed up exactly why PA is failing, so I'll just shut up.;)

MasterZaffro

06-17-2005, 12:13 PM

I`d say that`s a little broad, since just about every show with a Split-personality charachter is called a schizophrenic, when in reality the correct term for that condition is Multiple Personality Disorder.Actually is called Dissociative Identity Disorder.

vegetable

06-17-2005, 01:29 PM

Welcome to the Younger Viewers Dome! (Period: June 6-12)

Top Telecasts (18-24)

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Family Guy (#1) - 580,000
Family Guy (#2) - 600,000

6/9/05
Family Guy - 590,000

6/6/05
Family Guy - 580,000

Top Telecasts (12-24)

6/12/05
Family Guy (#1) - 1,330,000
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Robot Chicken - 1,090,000

6/9/05
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6/8/05
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6/6/05
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6/5/05
Family Guy - 1,330,000

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6/12/05
Family Guy (#1) - 760,000
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6/11/05
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6/9/05
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Family Guy - 670,000

6/8/05
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6/6/05
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ARTICLE!! (contains this past Sunday's Robot Chicken performance)

'Robot Chicken,'
yuks in double time

Wee hour grossout for teens. Fast and furious too.

By Abigail Azote
Leave it to the mind of actor Seth Green to bring together Lex Luthor, Cobra Commander, Mumm-Ra and Skeletor. In an episode of his new animated series “Robot Chicken,” the four are carpooling when Skeletor suddenly lets rip a big belch. “Feel the gaseous stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!” he says.
That may be all you want to know about “Robot Chicken,” an animated series of random acts of comedy. But it's certainly to the taste of the older-skewing audience of Adult Swim, as one of its top series behind “Family Guy” and “Futurama.” And this after only a few months.
Among 18-34s, "Robot Chicken" has grown from 732,000 for its February premiere to 943,000 for the most recent episode on June 12, finishing the week at No. 18 in that demo on cable.
But “Robot Chicken” has also found an audience among teens. Last week the show attracted 646,000 12-17s, tying for No. 9 in the demo. That's up from 522,000 back in March, when it tied for No. 17.
That kind of teen response is significant. The show airs at midnight on Sundays and often references characters from cartoons of earlier times, well before those of today’s teens. How many 15-year-olds have ever seen an episode of “The Smurfs,” much less know who Voltron is?
But “Robot Chicken” compensates with a brand of humor that while juvenile succeeds in placing pop icons in outrageous and often hilarious situations. Optimus Prime gets a rectal exam in one skit while the Olsen twins battle a pimple-faced dragon in another.
“Robot Chicken” also runs at a frenetic pace, billing itself as the show designed for the ADD generation. It’s only 15 minutes long and features several short skits with differing themes. If you don’t get one joke, a second is coming at you shortly. No skit lasts longer than two minutes.
The name “Robot Chicken?” It a dish in a Chinese restaurant where Green and co-creator Matthew Senreich used to order food from. So totally random.