Ash and Misty: When do you think they'll hook up?

[I.R Joey]

You must be blind (or not watching Pokemon both of which are understandable) to have not caught on to all the implications and foreshadowing of Ash+Misty. Dr B seems to be in agreement with me about it judging from his review of the Todadile ep. I just can't helop thinking that sooner or later he two of them are just going to go for it, and become an item? Opinions :D

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by I.R Joey
You must be blind (or not watching Pokemon both of which are understandable) to have not caught on to all the implications and foreshadowing of Ash+Misty. Dr B seems to be in agreement with me about it judging from his review of the Todadile ep. I just can't helop thinking that sooner or later he two of them are just going to go for it, and become an item? Opinions :D

When Charlie Brown and Peppermint Patty hook up. When Lucy and Schroeder hook up. When Sally and Linus....you get the picture.

[Lonestarr]

Originally posted by Leap Larry Jojo


When Charlie Brown and Peppermint Patty hook up. When Lucy and Schroeder hook up. When Sally and Linus....you get the picture.

Or Arnold and Helga...

[RockItShipper]

I think "Misty" is far more interested in "Brock" myself. I've seen five episodes past the Johto series and she's still pulling him away ear-first. It's a few years away from being a couple but I see that happening alot more likely than the AAML beast.

I think "Ash" will end up with "Jessie" if she ditches TR (hint hint- it's the BC team that the police are looking for now), or "Casey", or "Duplica"... Or, well, let's just say I'm more open to the concept of ShiShi now. :D

[I.R Joey]

Okay but remember the spisode in the Orange Island leauges where Misty meets that one guys who wants her to be his girlfreind/wife (I can't descide), and then when she starts rooting for Ash he has an epiphany.

"She wants him."

Then he later tells Ash how lucky a guy he is. Ash doesn't understand that, then the guy says you will someday. Come on he was obviously alluding to Misty + Ash=couple.


BTW: The reason she keeps dragging Broc away IMO is because he's making an idiot out of himself, not because of envy. Heck I'd do the same thing regardless of my gender if someone associate with me started acting like that.

[HellCat]

According to reports from Japan, they pretty much are. They are doing the holding hands thing. Although, they still won't say it.

[RockItShipper]

Also notice how the ear-pulling started becoming a habit AFTER "Brock" came back? I think AAML was a possibility during the OL but when "Brock" came back...

And if it's such a big deal that "Brock" acts like that, how come "Ash" doesn't help "Misty" out with keeping him in check?

[I.R Joey]

And if it's such a big deal that "Brock" acts like that, how come "Ash" doesn't help "Misty" out with keeping him in check?

This is a good point, but I think I have an answer. Usually while Broc is flirting Ash is trying to get info about a Pokemon or something out of the person.

1. Another thing to add, look at the way Ash and Misty are always arguing with one another. Don't that scream to you guys "They're going to be an item?"

[DR. BELCH]

I've half-jokingly called them "lovebirds" in my reviews for some time...and it does seem to me that Misty sublimates her feelings for Ash and Brock with her fits of temper, arguing and ear-pulling. RockItShipper and I have discussed this at length by e-mail, and as she said, she thinks Ash and Jessy should get together. As I said in my review this week: "[Jessy] strikes me as the one member of [Team Rocket] who has enough moxy to make it on her own, after some intensive psychotherapy and the right lover who can bring out her vulnerability without exploiting her. I don't know if Ash is that man, but if he once said to her, "You know when that Scyther chopped off all your hair and we laughed at you? I was being an a-hole and going along with the group. I thought you looked pretty with short hair", Jessy's heart would melt like a marshmallow. The question is, can she be trusted? Could Ash love her enough to bed her, feeling confident she won't steal his Pokemon and his wallet in the middle of the night, soap something obscene on the bathroom mirror, and skip town while he's asleep?"
The way I see it, Misty has a strange sort of non-carnal menage a trois thing going on with the two men in her llife. Ash, like most men, is clueless and would probably like a woman who isn't afraid to make the first move--IMO, most men are like that, reluctant to be the first to say "I love you" in a relationship. Misty should just stop denying herself and grab Ash's--ahem--hand to let him know how she feels.
Now...would it last? Mabe a few months, but Ash's dream of Pokemon mastery is strong, and she might feel he isn't responsive enough to her needs. She's a classy dame who wants the flowers, the chocolates, the nice dinners. Ash is the type of guy who wants to sit around the living room in his yellowing underwear, watch porn, and drink beer. She loves his determination but hates his aloofness. So they break it off but remain friends, and Misty gravitates towards Brock's more tender and attentive nature. By then maybe she wouldn't be a statutory rape charge waiting to happen. Listen to the exchange in "For Crying Out Loud" when Brock mentions he wants to chat up a pretty girl standing on a cliff and Misty says she'll probably jump off--surprisingly catty for her. It's as if she's hoping to see this rival meet an untimely and gruesome end. Sure, Misty isn't as overtly sexual as Ryoko in Tenchi Muyo, but she's no less a woman.
If Jessy would stop being so proud and square up, maybe she and Ash could be lovers--she shows signs of wanting to give up the Rocket life in "Forest Grumps". Casey I don't know about--she strikes me as a little nuts and borderline masochist. When she grabbed Pikachu and begged to be shocked, I was all, "Get out the candle wax and bondage straps! She's a party girl!"
As far as Ash's attitude towards Brock's hitting on every broad he sees, he did once tell him (loudly) that he was acting like he'd gone insane. He generally tries to ignore that kind of thing, however.

[I.R Joey]

IMO James has a better chance (if the rumors are not true ;) ) then Ash does with Jesse. Maybe it's just me but Ash and Jess seem very incompatible, and I think there is to much of a diffrence between them. All the times she's tried everything from stealing his Pokemon (and we know how much Ash loves his Pokemon,) to trying to disrupt the natural enviroment.

And another thing Misty wants to be a water Pokemon master right? It seems to me that her and Ash's futures might be closer intwined then your thinking. Broc seems like the odd man out here as he wants to be a Pokemon breeder.


BTW Can you believe we're talking about this so seriously??? :o

[killercroc05]

you people are seriously messed up. no offense, but how old are you guys? and why are you talking about this?

[RockItShipper]

http://www.angelfire.com/de2/link/Pallet/how.html

[RockItShipper]

And another thing Misty wants to be a water Pokemon master right? It seems to me that her and Ash's futures might be closer intwined then your thinking. Brock seems like the odd man out here as he wants to be a Pokemon breeder.

You didn't see the episode with the lecherous "Doctor Proctor", did you? "Misty" expresses interest in pursuing a career in Pokemon medicine. Seems a lot closer to a career in Pokemon breeding than training. Add that up with the gym-leader background, the scene where "Brock" was expressing interest in the mermaid performer later in the "Misty Mermaid" ep, the ear-pulls that "Brock" reciprocates later in Johto...

I just can't see AAML. Especially since "Ash" is a determined little guy as well as protective of his friends and then some. It's not hard to pick a character at random and be able to write a "I love Ash" story. And he's so clueless, like most anime leads I've come across, that he'd be none the wiser.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by killercroc05
you people are seriously messed up. no offense, but how old are you guys? and why are you talking about this?

Because the show really does tease it all the time. Dontcha know people love unrequited love. It's also fun.

[DR. BELCH]

Originally posted by L.L. Jojo :
Dontcha know people love unrequited love.
That and love triangles...but like I've said before, they're better for watching than being in. I'm 25 and I know Rocky's five years younger, but there's nothing wrong with reading between the lines...g.d. if it isn't expected, esp. with anime. I talked in another post about a very suggestive...ahem...exchange concerning Tenchi Muyo's Aiaka and Ryoko--two bitter enemies sharing a very friendly moment. Not to mention innumerable times their dialogue seems to be heavily censored (in one Aiaka accuses Ryoko of being full of baloney or malarkey or some such thing, but I have a feeling the original Japanese would translate to something far more off-color).
I.R. Joey:
Maybe it's just me but Ash and Jess seem very incompatible, and I think there is to much of a diffrence between them. All the times she's tried everything from stealing his Pokemon...to trying to disrupt the natural enviroment.
That's what I thought at first, but Rocky made a point that the two of them share a common element: loss of parents. Ash's father is inexplicably absent (some suspect it's actually ol' Sam Oak), as is Jessy's old man (I have a theory it's Giovanni), then her mother skipped out on her when she was young...so her fear of abandonment coupled with her failures in life would explain why she's psychologically so frigged up (and to me fascinating). Sure, there's trust issues to work out...but Ash wouldn't be the first guy to fall for someone who's his polar opposite, or the first to fall for the wrong dame.
Misty and Ash have similar goals, but like I said, she likes classy and mature guys, and Ash would probably devote himself to his Pokemon...sort of like the Southern husband whose wife complains he spends too much time with his hunting dogs. Misty, once she grows up a little, might even nix the shorts and sneakers, put on dresses, and act the part of debutante like her sisters; I see older Ash walking around shirtless and smashing beer cans on his forehead for her amusement (which she hates). I see them as a typical couple, really--she likes romantic movies and the sort of stuff they run on Lifetime; he appalls her by watching horror movies and skin flicks (which Jessy also enjoys, except that weird gay man-on-man German stuff James rents :D). Brock at least is a gentleman, if you can forgive his tendency to go gaga over anything in a skirt.
Actually, I see several striking similarities between Jessy and Ryoko--both are bad girls who want to be good (though Ryoko tries harder at it) and each definitely has a strong libido.

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH

I talked in another post about a very suggestive...ahem...exchange concerning Tenchi Muyo's Aiaka and Ryoko--two bitter enemies sharing a very friendly moment.
You really should see this site. Y'know, it really does make sense...
http://www.sutic.nu/rasl/


That's what I thought at first, but Rocky made a point that the two of them share a common element: loss of parents. Ash's father is inexplicably absent (some suspect it's actually ol' Sam Oak), as is Jessy's old man (I have a theory it's Giovanni), then her mother skipped out on her when she was young...so her fear of abandonment coupled with her failures in life would explain why she's psychologically so frigged up (and to me fascinating). Sure, there's trust issues to work out...but Ash wouldn't be the first guy to fall for someone who's his polar opposite, or the first to fall for the wrong dame.
Misty and Ash have similar goals, but like I said, she likes classy and mature guys, and Ash would probably devote himself to his Pokemon...sort of like the Southern husband whose wife complains he spends too much time with his hunting dogs. Misty, once she grows up a little, might even nix the shorts and sneakers, put on dresses, and act the part of debutante like her sisters; I see older Ash walking around shirtless and smashing beer cans on his forehead for her amusement (which she hates). I see them as a typical couple, really--she likes romantic movies and the sort of stuff they run on Lifetime; he appalls her by watching horror movies and skin flicks (which Jessy also enjoys, except that weird gay man-on-man German stuff James rents :D).
Now now now... "Jess'" may well have a voyeur streak in her. I don't think she'd mind watching yaoi hentai- maybe even picking up some yaoi doujishis(sp) for herself. But "Ash" probably wouldn't have the stomach for it, much like "Misty" with girl-girl videos. So that's resolved by a old-fashioned TR Girls Night with poor "Meowth" wishing he was elsewhere.

Brock at least is a gentleman, if you can forgive his tendency to go gaga over anything in a skirt.
I think that's a bit of a looking thing. I mean, only one woman has shown interest and it would seem that he wasn't all over the place then. It also seems he's more of a romantic than a leech. Not to go too far in DB-lore but the twerps are very similiar to Goku, Bloomer and Yamcha. Bloomer was two years older than Goku and they fought alot for reasons related to Goku's cluelessness etc. Yamcha was afraid of girls but wound up overcoming it and hooking up with Bloomer. And all that was resolved in a story arc. Pokemon's dragging it out a bit more, even going a bit AAML when TV Tokyo was allegedly thinking of dropping "Brock" altogether. But it would seem that BAML is the intention, with "Ash" being the one character without much in the way of personal romantic issues. So the younger kids don't have to hear about the mushy stuff from the main character and others can speculate on ShiShi. (Although, I think there really needs to be clear proof that "Gary" isn't his nephew first, y'know? It's funny with the Digiblondes but that's about it)

Actually, I see several striking similarities between Jessy and Ryoko--both are bad girls who want to be good (though Ryoko tries harder at it) and each definitely has a strong libido.
You've seen the x-over fanart at Pokemopolis, haven't you?
:D

[I.R Joey]

I'm sorry guys, but why would the writers make so many obvious (not hidden allusions let me count)

The one where Misty and Ash battle for the cascade badge. Her sisters make implications.

The one with Metwo and when Misty tells Gary's girlfreinds, about how she doesn't cry when he looses a battle. Ash shouts "she's just kidding."

The episode Broc leaves. Ash an Misty get caught in team R's blimp and they begin ti say that they've caught two love birds. Ash and Misty both blush then deny it.

As mentioned before the episode with the dude trying to court Misty, and added to that the episode where that one gym leader Dan (Misty's crushing on him) talks about Ash and Misty being a couple. She continually deny's that she's not into twirps. Writers translation: She'll be interested sooner then you may think.


There are probably more of them as well.

[Scythemantis]

Silly killercroc,your never too old for things like this :P


...Actually arnold and helga WILL be hooking up.Theyre making a hey arnold movie,then a spinoff starring just helga`s family and much later a different series where theyre older and arnold and helga are together,I think...

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by I.R Joey
The one where Misty and Ash battle for the cascade badge. Her sisters make implications.
And are portrayed as bimbos, more or less.

The one with Mewtwo and when Misty tells Gary's girlfriends, about how she doesn't cry when he loses a battle. Ash shouts "she's just kidding."
First off, that sounds more like "Ash" doesn't want to lose face in front of "Gary". In fact, that particular ep is often cited as evidence of Palletshipping/ShiShi rather than AAML/Twerpshipping. Which I posted a link about in this thread.

The episode Brock leaves. Ash and Misty get caught in team R's blimp and they begin to say that they've caught two love birds. Ash and Misty both blush then deny it.
Because "Ash" is barely out of the cooties stage? Because as I said earlier, AAML is stressed far more during the OL. Maybe if "Ash" had responded then, it would have happened. But as great a kid as he is, I see "Misty" as taking advantage of what is essentially a second chance with "Brock". Certainly the whole ear-pull thing indicates that. Next season there's even an ep where he winds up having to pull a blabbing "Misty" away from a male researcher. No doubt "Ash" will grow up nicely, but I think "Misty" will have grown up quite a bit and caught "Brock's" eye by then.

[Inque]

for those of you who have the first pokemon soundtrack to the tv show (including me, i have no clue why), there's a song called misty's song. It's basically a love song to ash. she actually says "i love you" at the end. too bad ash is asleep.

[RockItShipper]

1. "Misty's Song" has no counterpart in the original.

2. The singer is not the dub VA for the character.

3. "Ash" isn't the only guy sleeping near by. :p

[I.R Joey]

Because "Ash" is barely out of the cooties stage?

But one thing that has infact been stressed through out the series is Ash growing up right? His quests have kinda forced him to grow up alot faster haven't they? I think so.

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by I.R Joey
Because "Ash" is barely out of the cooties stage?

But one thing that has infact been stressed through out the series is Ash growing up right? His quests have kinda forced him to grow up alot faster haven't they? I think so.

Well, aside from facing TR on a regular basis as well as the more challenging threats in the movies, he's not doing anything too different from others his age. I'd have to say that it takes a regular occurrence of life, death and growing experiences for a kid his age to recognize and/or pursue romance. His cluelessness doesn't help matters.

[I.R Joey]

This may sound cheesy but oh well. The way he has learned to empithize and care about his "pets" to me shows responsibility, and the whole saving the world on more then one occasion helps as well.

Anyway, back on topic, remember that Ash is approaching his teenaged years, that little "looking at those icky creatures called girls in a diffrent way" thing is going to happen, and I think has already begun to.

[RockItShipper]

This may sound cheesy but oh well. The way he has learned to empithize and care about his "pets" to me shows responsibility, and the whole saving the world on more then one occasion helps as well.
Helps, yes. Is enough for a relationship? Errrrrrmmm...

Come to think of it- I [l]did[l] catch him looking at "Officer Jenny" in my latest batch of eps, tho'... THAT'S more the type of woman I see him wanting/ending up with. And it's way off- supposedly the 3rd movie marked the 1st anniversary for the "Ash/Pikachu" team... Explains why he hasn't grown physically at any rate.

"Tracey", "Misty" and "Brock" seem alot more like the sibling figures "Ash" doesn't have in a genetic sense. And that sort of guidance with what he loves to do is more important to him at the moment than a girlfriend is. But "Misty" being stubborn, occassionally the voice of reason, a "girl with cooties" and a fear of bugs at first etc... That's why she's the one who gets into the most fights with him. I just really don't see it as romantic at all.

[James]

Err, it's been a while since I watched it, but how old are Ash and Misty meant to be know? I thought Ash was meant to be around 10 when it started - has the series actually changed the character's as it's progressed? From what i've seen, they seemed an obvious pairing but Ash was just too young to understand

[Lonestarr]

Originally posted by Sting chameleon
...Actually arnold and helga WILL be hooking up.Theyre making a hey arnold movie,then a spinoff starring just helga`s family and much later a different series where theyre older and arnold and helga are together,I think...

I already knew about this, but I still consider it to be unfair. I mean, the girl is nuts. I can't be the only one who sees that. And I don't want this thread to switch gears and be about Arnold and Helga. This is just my $0.02.

[DR. BELCH]

Originally posted by RockItShipper :
Helps, yes. Is [Ash being responsible and saving the word on occassion] enough for a relationship? Errrrrrmmm...
Like I said, not a lasting and committed one, but it could fuel a dalliance for a few months. Misty might teach him a few tricks he can use with his next girl--after all, one has to crawl before one walks. Once they realize they're basically incompatible--she's classy, he's crass--she'll find some other guy who likes French food and art and the finer things...Brock, maybe, unless he's bagged himself a Jenny or Joy by then or caught a social disease from some harlot he picked up on the streets of Johto.

Come to think of it- I [l]did[l] catch him looking at "Officer Jenny" in my latest batch of eps, tho'... THAT'S more the type of woman I see him wanting/ending up with.
She's kind of tall, though, isn't she? It'd be like a Chihuahua trying to mount a black Lab. Jessy's also at least a head taller than Brock--funny I never noticed that before.

And it's way off- supposedly the 3rd movie marked the 1st anniversary for the "Ash/Pikachu" team... Explains why he hasn't grown physically at any rate.
The time span confounds me. I'm presuming Ash left Pallet in spring, summer at the latest. One winter has passed ("Snow Way Out"), and in another ep a Pokemon center that was destroyed in one of the pre-St. Anne eps was rebuilt, and Misty remarks that the explosion happened the year before. So we can safely say at least six months have passed, which is really a small time frame to accomodate two League matches, the Mewtwo debachle, the events of the second movie, the Tracey era, and the innumerable detours Team Twerp takes. Then again, the Simpson kids have been prepubescent for twelve years. You figure it out--I get a headache when I try... http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/other/headache.gif

"Tracey", "Misty" and "Brock" seem alot more like the sibling figures "Ash" doesn't have in a genetic sense. And that sort of guidance with what he loves to do is more important to him at the moment than a girlfriend is. But "Misty" being stubborn, occassionally the voice of reason, a "girl with cooties" and a fear of bugs at first etc... That's why she's the one who gets into the most fights with him. I just really don't see it as romantic at all.
Obviously you've never had feelings for a guy and not known how to express them. There is the surrogate sibling element...but what girl wants to hear a man tell her, "You're like a sister to me"? Most 13-year-old girls with a crush on a guy don't bother with subtlety--they just decide to go the forward route and grab him by the (ahem) hand. I know in my case her message came across pretty d*** loud and clear! http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/love/formoso.gif http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/love/icon_smile_blush.gif

[I.R Joey]

But "Misty" being stubborn, occassionally the voice of reason, a "girl with cooties" and a fear of bugs at first etc... That's why she's the one who gets into the most fights with him.

Again this is an obvious thing, the whole fighting and bickering back and forth thing IMO=they like eachother.

And I even remember one of the Gym leaders saying to Misty "You always hurt the ones you love."
She of coarse shakes her head and says she's not interested. I think its foreshadowing.

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH

Like I said, not a lasting and committed one, but it could fuel a dalliance for a few months. Misty might teach him a few tricks he can use with his next girl--after all, one has to crawl before one walks. Once they realize they're basically incompatible--she's classy, he's crass--she'll find some other guy who likes French food and art and the finer things...

I really think the OL was when AAML was the most plausible but hopefully "Ash" would recognize that she is the best person to ask for relationship advice. We all know "Brock's" method doesn't work, and I'm pretty sure "Tracey's" little help.



She's kind of tall, though, isn't she? It'd be like a Chihuahua trying to mount a black Lab. Jessy's also at least a head taller than Brock--funny I never noticed that before.

Well, I assume "Ash" would grow a bit. And is it that that bad if she's a bit taller?

The time span confounds me. I'm presuming Ash left Pallet in spring, summer at the latest. One winter has passed ("Snow Way Out

The winter eps were delayed because of the epilepsy episode in Japan and KWB wanting to air 'em near the holidays.


Originally posted by I.R Joey
And I even remember one of the Gym leaders saying to Misty "You always hurt the ones you love."
She of course shakes her head and says she's not interested. I think its foreshadowing.

Or just not interested. It can be just that, you know. The suppressing love bit is alot more plausible in "Gary's" case.

[DR. BELCH]

Originally posted by RockItShipper :
I really think the OL was when AAML was the most plausible...
D*** these abbreviations; they confound me.

...but hopefully "Ash" would recognize that she is the best person to ask for relationship advice. We all know "Brock's" method doesn't work, and I'm pretty sure "Tracey's" little help.
Honestly, I don't see Ash asking Misty, or any girl for relationship advice. It's the male nature. I'm willing to say a lot of men probably don't bother asking women what they want--which is why dirty magazines stay in business--and that most women either don't know either or do and are so specific they scare potential men off (i.e. good job, certain income level, no previous marriages/kids, and, my current favorite, the anticircumscision crowd) . :eek:
I still think the average guy wants a no-strings attached relationship with a woman (which is why telephone autoerotiscism is so popular; it's the best way to get to know a girl w/out p***ing away hard-earned money on dinner and movies and dances; after about six months one knows about all there is to know about a woman and can decide if she's worth meeting face-to-face) and hates to make the first move because he fears rejection. Of course, most women don't want to make that first move because they're afraid of looking aggressive or butchy. So men and women are trapped in some weird little dance around the sexual issue. Victorian-era sexual mores meet a post-70's femininist backlash and combine like water and sodium--ka-boom.

Well, I assume "Ash" would grow a bit. And is it that that bad if she's a bit taller?
Some women don't like short men. Conversely, some men fear being intimate with a very small woman for fear of crushing her. Relationships are funny that way. It seems Misty gravitates towards pretty-boys taller than she, though she might grow out of it...

The winter eps were delayed because of the epilepsy episode in Japan and KWB wanting to air 'em near the holidays.
Does it specify what month Ash left home in the original non-dubbed eps? If it was in September, then at least four months have passed, since it's the following year when Ash competes for his last badge--an even smaller time frame for all Ash's adventures, not to mean rebuilding that Pokemon center from the ground up. I'm inclined to think at least 18 months have passed, and the Orange League journeys ate up a lot of that, what with sailing from island to island and at one point slogging through the biggest g.d. desert seen outside a Chuck Jones cartoon.

BTW, I finally saw the Pokemon/Tenchi crossover you mentioned. Far different than what I had in mind--mine's sort of both casts sitting around a college TV lounge watching skin flicks and making rude remarks all through it a la Mystery Science Theater--capped off by Ryoko drinking too much and vomiting all over the carpet (she does have an alcohol problem, as I saw in Friday's ep--did you see the mountain of hootch bottles she's lying on top of? Not to mention I'm pretty sure they were working in a brothel!). :o

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH

D*** these abbreviations; they confound me.
OL= Orange League

AAML= acronym referring to the alleged love affair between "Ash" and Misty", aka Twerpshipping.

ShiShi= also known as Palletshipping, AAGL, GAAL, ShigeSato, etc.

Honestly, I don't see Ash asking Misty, or any girl for relationship advice. It's the male nature.

I don't see it as happening outside of extreme need, but "Misty" would be the most likely person he'd go to. She seems sort of "one of the guys" but, as you said, 'classy'.

I'm willing to say a lot of men probably don't bother asking women what they want--which is why dirty magazines stay in business--and that most women either don't know either or do and are so specific they scare potential men off (i.e. good job, certain income level, no previous marriages/kids, and, my current favorite, the anticircumscision crowd) . :eek:
My younger sister's problem seems to be getting a guy to commit (she wants marriage, I think) but... Well, she told me yesterday that she's going to write a "Sex in the City"-type book.

I still think the average guy wants a no-strings attached relationship with a woman (which is why telephone autoerotiscism is so popular; it's the best way to get to know a girl w/out p***ing away hard-earned money on dinner and movies and dances; after about six months one knows about all there is to know about a woman and can decide if she's worth meeting face-to-face) and hates to make the first move because he fears rejection. Of course, most women don't want to make that first move because they're afraid of looking aggressive or butchy. So men and women are trapped in some weird little dance around the sexual issue. Victorian-era sexual mores meet a post-70's femininist backlash and combine like water and sodium--ka-boom.
Now, now, now. It's possible that women won't make the first move due to fear of rejection as well. In fact, maybe there's some concern that being too agressive is grounds for rejection? And maybe for some guys, it is. And it's worse when you like your sister's best friend. But let's not talk about it.

Does it specify what month Ash left home in the original non-dubbed eps?
Not that I know of. But there's a very Alt-Universe angle to the world of Pokemon. No non-Pokemon animals appear to exist, there's a Japanese base culture with deviants such as "James'" family, "Lt. Surge" and that cute li'l Chinese girl with the Paras... So maybe time passes differently too?

Far different than what I had in mind--mine's sort of both casts sitting around a college TV lounge watching skin flicks and making rude remarks all through it a la Mystery Science Theater--

Even Sasami? :eek:

[DR. BELCH]

ME
Honestly, I don't see Ash asking Misty, or any girl for relationship advice.
ROCKY:
I don't see it as happening outside of extreme need, but "Misty" would be the most likely person he'd go to. She seems sort of "one of the guys" but, as you said, 'classy'.
Ash might try to be subtle about it--not one of his strong points--with Misty if he asks her help on love. But can she control herself? I see Ash noticing she's getting all hot and uncomfortable and asking, "Geez, what's your problem?" To which she blurts, "Because I think I'm having feelings for you, you [expletive deleted]-for-brains!"...then flushes like a toilet and claps both hands over her mouth.

My younger sister's problem seems to be getting a guy to commit (she wants marriage, I think)...she told me yesterday that she's going to write a "Sex in the City"-type book.
Like Groucho Marx said, she'll make some man a wonderful ex-wife someday. ;)

It's possible that women won't make the first move due to fear of rejection as well. In fact, maybe there's some concern that being too agressive is grounds for rejection? And maybe for some guys, it is.
I guess it depends on the girl and on the guy. If a woman he's been friends with for a while admits she's in love with him, that's practically a man's dream come true. Then again, some men may like the anonymous phone call that starts off as a "wrong number" and turns into five months of something out of a movie on Cinemax...but those don't last because the foundation is less solid.

And it's worse when you like your sister's best friend. But let's not talk about it.
Well, at least not here. Feel free to e-mail me, though. I have noticed my brother and I have similar taste in women--walking and breathing. :D

ME:
[My crossover idea is] sort of both casts sitting around a college TV lounge watching skin flicks and making rude remarks all through it a la Mystery Science Theater...
ROCKY:
Even Sasami?
Uh...oops. No. Ryoko will tell her she's too little for that kind of stuff and just have her in the kitchen making popcorn and bringing her beer.

Anyone else want to weigh in? It's starting to feel like a ping-pong game here with just us two going back and forth. Speak up, people!

[I.R Joey]

It is becoming like Ping pong, but I still hold to AAM in the future. Broc is to wayward for Misty, something tells me she would get tired of constantly having to yank her boyfreind away by the ear.

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
Ash might try to be subtle about it--not one of his strong points--with missty if he asks her help on love. But can she control herself? I see Ash noticing she's getting all hot and uncomfortable and asking, "Geez, what's your problem?" To which she blurts, "Because I think I'm having feelings for you, you [expletive deleted]-for-brains!"...then flushes like a toilet and claps both hands over her mouth.
Not exactly what I had in mind- being far from an AAML fan, but I'm sure he'd say something wrong due to his world-renowned insight.


I guess it depends on the girl and on the guy. If a woman he's been friends with for a while admits she's in love with him, that's practically a man's dream come true. Then again, some men may like the anonymous phone call that starts off as a "wrong number" and turns into five months of something out of a movie on Cinemax...but those don't last because the foundation is less solid.
If it's not built on, which is probably most often the case. There's not so much hints of "ash"/"jessie" but a history of association and occassional teamwork, not to mention similiar personalities IMO. That's where I see it starting- after she leaves TR tho'... I can't honestly see a lasting relationship starting when they're on different sides.

Uh...oops. No. Ryoko will tell her she's too little for that kind of stuff and just have her in the kitchen making popcorn and bringing her beer.
Now that I think of it, how'd Mihoshi react? For some reason, I think back to the Simpsons flashback where a teenage Homer asked a zookeeper why the monkeys were killing each other.


Originally posted by I.R Joey
It is becoming like Ping pong, but I still hold to AAM in the future. Brock is to wayward for Misty, something tells me she would get tired of constantly having to yank her boyfriend away by the ear.
But how can you be sure? "Brock" may just be hitting on girl after girl for the simple reason that none have returned his attentions. Yes, there was "Ivy" and it's never established why that ended. His depression doesn't seem like he cheated/attempted cheating on her, though. "Misty" will probably look more like her sisters as she grows up, but with more depth and a history of friendship to offer "Brock" when she's older.

"Duplica" is another option, come to think of it. "Brock's" main issue was her age, but that's something that will pass. Plus, "Dittos" ("Duplica" has 2) are excellent Pokemon for breeding. But I think that "Ash", "Melody", "Richie" or Mondo could be just as good for her.

But I think that couplings are pretty much an opinion thing. And when it comes to a dense, determined heroic boy (or girl, really)- you can pair him or her with most anyone. "Ash" is blissfully unaware of his Feelings most of the time. So you could just have about anyone he's helped or rescued being in such awe that love blooms and once it's confessed- "Ash" suddenly realizes it's mutual. Which is a nice thought I'll be sure to share again whenever or if ever the Mewtwo special gets dubbed. :p

[I.R Joey]

Again I wonder if he could ever make peace with someone who tried to destroy his life time quest.

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by I.R Joey
Again I wonder if he could ever make peace with someone who tried to destroy his lifetime quest.

Certainly hasn't stopped a number of team-ups, in which the Rocket team comes across as being far more effective. Whereas "Giovanni" is justifiably more satisified by the work done by the BC team (back on the lam post-Johto) and the blonde babe in the Mew2 tv special. I think it's possible that the main TR group ends up siding with "Ash" as the series finale. But it's hard to tell at this point. Another season or two inspired by the new Pokemon introduced in an upcoming GBA game is possible.

I certainly think "Ash" is capable of forgiving and helping former enemies- particularly since they don't go around killing or anything. In fact, the one thing I got from the "Dratini" episode was how restrained TR was. Even if carrying guns was a 1-episode deal, they could have easily shot the kids up full of lead and gotten Pikachu- instead of sending them off with a challenge. Whereas the "guest good guy", the "Safari Zone" game warden, pointed guns at the kids like it was nothing.

[DR. BELCH]

--I thought of something else that may keep Ash and Jessy from being lovers. It's a theory of mine I have no evidence to back up, mind you...but suppose they learn that they are half-siblings by Giovanni? If he'd had relations with both Jessy's mom and Delia Ketchum, and they could prove he's their father conclusively, imagine the sizable child support payment they could milk out of the Team Rocket coffers! Jessy could go out on her own, rich (well, she'd take James and Meowth with her too--the Scrach-Cat could lend his speaking talents to Prof. Oak, as long as Tracey doesn't get jealous of having competition for his internship, and James could--uhh--find...something...he's...good at...ahem) and maybe finally happy.
ROCKITSHIPPER:
But I think that couplings are pretty much an opinion thing... when it comes to a dense, determined heroic boy...you can pair him or her with most anyone. "Ash" is blissfully unaware of his Feelings most of the time...love blooms and once it's confessed- "Ash" suddenly realizes it's mutual.
Like I said, a woman who is willing to make the first move=every man's fantasy. Well, mine, anyway. Probably nine out of ten men can't say "I love you" to a woman first, and the average guy is so dense he either misreads signals and sees what isn't there or, conversely, she practically has to dance naked two inches from his nose before she sees she's having feelings for him. I suppose I'm what Ash'll be in 15 years or so....http://www.3dpcgames.com/cwm/s/otn/shocked/Voskl1.gif

Now that I think of it, how'd Mihoshi react[to a skin flick]? For some reason, I think back to the Simpsons flashback where a teenage Homer asked a zookeeper why the monkeys were killing each other.
I can see her with her hands over her eyes, sobbing, "Eew, she's biting him--make it stop--make it stop!" Kijone grits her teeth and promises to tell her when it's over, now stop whining. Every two minutes Ryoko's like, "I've done that...and that...oh, and that. Oh, she's faking. No way you can hold your breath that long. Hmmm....I bet I could do that if I stretched first." Aiaka gets onto her for lying about her prowess, and Ryoko dumps a can of beer on the princess' head.

[Lonestarr]

To answer the original question, it's only a matter of time. Melody was flirting with Ash, and Misty wasn't too happy about that. Maybe she DOES have real feelings for him, or maybe she's one of those touched-in-the-head, few-bricks-missing-from-her-building, Helga G. Pataki, obssessive "I don't want you, but I don't want anyone else to have you"- types. Ya gotta be careful of those girls. Once again, it's only a matter of time.

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Lonestarr29
To answer the original question, it's only a matter of time. Melody was flirting with Ash, and Misty wasn't too happy about that. Maybe she DOES have real feelings for him, or maybe she's one of those touched-in-the-head, few-bricks-missing-from-her-building, Helga G. Pataki, obssessive "I don't want you, but I don't want anyone else to have you"- types. Ya gotta be careful of those girls. Once again, it's only a matter of time.

I really think the whole Orange League has to be taken into context, though. It seems to me that "Misty" was considering "Ash" very seriously _at that point_. But given how she immediately picked up on pulling "Brock" away from other girls as soon as he started that up again... "Ash" had some chance, he was clueless and/or not interested. Barring that, the "Jigglypuff vs. Articuno" ep gave me the impression that Pokemon 2 is either in a separate continuity or our heroes conviently forgot meeting the legendary bird. The latter which seems unlikely. It's not some common pokemon at all.

Going back to the whole "Mr. Ketchum" bit... I figure he's most likely "Oak" or "Giovanni" too. But obviously it's not both. I prefer Redshipping to ShiShi, though.