Is it possible to create a perfect world?

[Washington]

I plan to create a perfect world of peace and prosperity Do you belive it is possible?

[Artimus Gigan]

No, there are too many crazy people who have strange opinions on serious matters...


therefore one must strive to make the majority happy

[Fresh V]

I plan to create a perfect world of peace and prosperity Do you belive it is possible?
Wait, you plan on making a world of peace and prosperity?..... Ok then, carry on.

[Washington]

Does any one else think it's possible?

[Chris Wood]

Sure, just elect me supreme dictator. The streets will run with the blood of the nonbelievers... er, I mean free health care for all!

[Jasmine_G.]

I'm reading this book in school called " The Giver. " It's accually based on what a perfect world would be like.
And when you got it, I'm sure that no one would like it. Because everyone would have to be the same. There would be no racism, so everyones skin would have to be the same color. Accually in the book, the people can't even see color!
They can't choose thier own jobs, or even thier own spouses! To eliminate the possiblility that they would choose wrong. ( Like for example: You married someone that you hated. )

So first you have to ask yourself... Would you really want it?:confused:

[Metroid_spy]

I plan to create a perfect world of peace and prosperity Do you belive it is possible? No not really. There are too many people in the world who could rebel against the dictator for life.

Everybody would be exactly the same. No differences. It'll be all perfect where no one would make mistakes and no more terrorism or anything. But what would be the fun in life then? You gotta think about it....

[ShadowOfAGhost]

If you can do it, I will not stand in your way. :)

all I have to say on the subject is that in theory, communisim is the ideal government, BUT human nature prevents it from working to it's full potential. that is why the only institution that could work efficiently is anarchy, the absense of a government. But I'm sure that wouldn't be the best of ideas. Until then, go America.

(the red scare is over right?)

[Romanesque]

First, you'd have to define what a "perfect world" is. All too many problems stem from disagreements on what a "perfect world" would be.

--Romey

[Stewie]

My questions are these:
Does the manner in which Washington has posed this question give the impression that this is a serious attempt to discuss the issue of creating a perfect world? Does he think the best way to pose it is as a "Yes or No" question?
Or is he just trying to get attention? I wish I had my own poll.

[Delthayre]

Well, if history has taught us anything, it's that creating utopia requires killing a lot of people and shipping most of the surivors off to prison camps with some really fantastically dramatic name.

[Washington]

My questions are these:
Does the manner in which Washington has posed this question give the impression that this is a serious attempt to discuss the issue of creating a perfect world? Yes that is what I to create, a perfeact world where everyone is happy all the time.

[Yash]

No.

[Chris Wood]

My questions are these:
Does the manner in which Washington has posed this question give the impression that this is a serious attempt to discuss the issue of creating a perfect world? Does he think the best way to pose it is as a "Yes or No" question?
Or is he just trying to get attention? I wish I had my own poll.

HaHa!!! Funny stuff.

[SuperLuigiBros]

I've heard of having dreams before, but this guy needs help. I once had the same dream, I got help, and now look at me. I'm just another bum.

[Stewie]

Yes that is what I to create, a perfeact world where everyone is happy all the time.I can't figure out if you are intentionally or unintentionally hilarious.

But you shouldn't worry about me. This thread has already far surpassed my expectations.

[Anyone00]

The song "Imagine" sends shivers down my spine.


Always remember, a peace has its paths to and conditions of, always be wary in the extreme of people who say they are 'of peace'.

[Fresh V]

I can't figure out if you are intentionally or unintentionally hilarious.
I think he's serious(as hard as that may seem to grasp). But Washington, how the heck would you do that?

I don't think it's possible. Like M_s said, everyone would be the same. Now that would be pretty boring, don't ya thinK?

[90'sCartoonMan]

I plan to create a perfect world of peace and prosperity Do you belive it is possible?
Not if you're creating it, Flamebait. Even if you are a decendent of George Washington.

By the way, Jas, I read the Giver a while ago. Scarey being assigned your job and all that. Read the short story "Harrison Bergeron". I'm going to have to agree that there's no such thing as a perfect world because not everyone will agree with/be happy/be satisfied/have free will or whatever. A perfect world is imperfect, and thus not perfect. And a world full of peace wouldn't be prosperous since we wouldn't get anything done (we'd turn lazy).

[Phantasm]

Of course. Anyone with the right resources can create a perfect world for themselves. As a whole, however, this world will never be 'perfect' in the sense that it will never be perfect in the eyes of all that inhabit it. Molding the world such so that it is perfect for everyone would be an excruciatingly daunting, if not an impossible task.

[Daikun]

I don't believe in perfection. I believe it's one of the biggest deceptions ever conceived. Everything has at least one weakness, and even weaknesses themselves have weaknesses, and if you somehow managed to get rid of those weaknesses, that would basically be giving the body a complete makeover, therefore causing a weakness to become present elsewhere.

I do believe in improvement, where something can become better, but perfection is an impossibility.

[PressureCooker]

No. Plain and simple. Here is one reason why:

What you think of as perfect may not be what I think of as perfect. This leads to rebellion, which leads to civil war, which in turn leads to slaughter.
A perfect world is nice to think about, but it will never happen. Mankind is destined to live and die in conflict.

On a final note: Delthayre said it first and he was right. Adolf Hitler tried to create the perfect world, and we all know how that turned out.:sad:

[cross blues]

I've heard of having dreams before, but this guy needs help. I once had the same dream, I got help, and now look at me. I'm just another bum. careful... what if Washington is really God (come to ask for advice via TZ) and you just mocked him?

a perfect world would mean free will for humans, or at least the illusion of it like we have now (let's not get into THAT whole debate...) but with free will comes the possibility for either good or evil. it is not possible for all humans to be perfect and innocent and pure and to resist all evil, therefore it is not possible to create a perfect world.

[Jave]

I think Charmed proved pretty well that it is not possible.

[Gatomon41]

Kari dreams of a purfect world. Vash dreams of a perfect world. But they know it might not be possible.

I dream of a perfect world, but frankly it's not possible. Oh, sure, things might get better, but the problem is human nature. It's our nature (greed, sin, etc.) that keeps the world in such a sad state. I want a perfect world here, but we can never reach it. Man can never achieve an unacheivable dream.

Oh, I suggest reading "The Leathe of Heaven" by Ursla Le Guin. Good book on showing how perfect worlds are impossible.

Also, check out the short stories of Cordwainer Smith. He'll show you how mankind recovers from a perfect world.

As for material prosperity,maybe. There's not enough resources on Earth, so we need to head out into space if even reach material prosperity. Plus we need alot of educated people. So maybe it could be possible if we had enough resources.

[Ajax]

I plan to create a perfect world of peace and prosperity Do you belive it is possible? I remember my first grade teacher asking me the same question but she added "and how would you do it".
Anyways it took me a couple minutes to figure out if this post was seriously or not especially with simplicity it's stated in. But seeing as most people our giving somewhat serious responses, I'll give mine.

Let me start by saying that in my eyes it's immpossible to create a perfect world for many reason (a lot which have been already said)

And even if it were possibly to create a perfect world, I'd be against it, for the simply reason that life would be to boring.
I'd give a deeper reason for why I'm against it but I'm way to lazy to type right now:yawn:

[Cogliostro]

Is it possible to create a perfect world? Perhaps in dreams.

In reality, I don't think it would be possible.

[Shark]

In order to create a perfect world, every living soul would have to agree on ever issue. There could not be any disagreements, no grudges, and no one wanting to desire more for themselves. Since no two people think exactly alike, a perfect world on earth is just not possible. Of course, that won't stop people from trying.

[Czar Gato]

Short answer? No.

Long answer? Well, I could get really into detail and example, so here's the Cliff's Notes Version: Humanity is too diverse for that to ever occur. While it has been said that all people are the same inside and have the same goals, wants, etc., the extent of those goals, how they think it should be acheived, and so on vary from one person to the next as widely as the stars in the sky or the fish in the sea. That's why we have different nations and cultures and religions. You would never reach a consensus as to what defines a perfect world in the first place, so how could you go about in creating it?

[Beguiled]

Hmm, I don't think that's possible. To create a 'perfect' world, everyone would have to see perfect the same way and it's an understatement to say we don't.

Yes that is what I to create, a perfeact world where everyone is happy all the time.
That just wouldn't work. If no one is every angry or sad (or any other emotion)then how would you know you were happy? You can't have happiness without sadness, anger or hard times. :shrug: Besides, in this 'perfect' world, you want everybody to be happy? Well so what? It's impossible to make EVERYBODY happy all the time. What makes some people happy makes other sad or angry. *sigh* I wouldn't want everything to be perfect anyway. It'd just be boring.

[RD!]

Well, if history has taught us anything, it's that creating utopia requires killing a lot of people and shipping most of the surivors off to prison camps with some really fantastically dramatic name.Yeah but once you're done with the unpleasantness of that who knows. Best place to start is with a clean slate.

[Washington]

Here is my plan, first I plan getting elected president, then I will unite the nations of world under one goverment ruled by me. It's a brillant plan yes?

[ToOn~g@l]

Here is my plan, first I plan getting elected president, then I will unite the nations of world under one goverment ruled by me. It's a brillant plan yes?
No!! Because many nations aren't even friends with us. They would totally stay away from the idea and the only way to get them to listen to you is by bombing them which is definitly not a peaceful or perfect way. It just wont work.

[TimTwoFace]

As human beings, I don't we have the mental capacity to achieve perfection - or appreciate it if we do attain this lofty goal. We need the imperfections in life to make ourselves feel better, because our situation is better than that of someone else. It's all subconscious - I don't think people are feeding off the misery of others, but by the same notion, the only way to know what perfection is (or should be) is to also see what it isn't. You need the two sides to be present in order for us to better appreciate this perfection.

I believe that heaven is perfection, and try as we might for perfect goals (re: World Peace), it will never happen and this ideal will never be realized until after death. Then we'll all achieve the clearer, purer, more advanced state of mind that will allow us to achieve and appreciate this perfection.

That sounded preachy and all, but I believe that this is the case with most people - myself included.

-Tim

[Washington]

No!! Because many nations aren't even friends with us. They would totally stay away from the idea and the only way to get them to listen to you is by bombing them which is definitly not a peaceful or perfect way. It just wont work. Well then I'll just take them over by force, after all the USA has the greatest army, navy and air force in the world so therefor we can't not be stop.

[PressureCooker]

You, my dear friend... are what we call on fark "a Troll"


So I invite the rest of us here to "Not Feed The Trolls" and would someone please delete his account and block his IP? We don't need this crap here.

[randomguy]

Well then I'll just take them over by force, after all the USA has the greatest army, navy and air force in the world so therefor we can't not be stop.
Though we do have the greatest military force in the world, we're still not well-equipped enough to take over the entire planet. We're stretched too thin as it is. That, and by the time you're old enough to be President, it's likely that other countries will have increased their military capabilities.

You'd also have to get Congress to authorize your "take over the world" plan, which wouldn't be easy. And, of course, you'll have to get elected by the American people on a platform of taking over the world. Also not easy. Finally, you'll have to have win the primaries of one of the two major political parties, neither one of which is currently interested in the prospect of invading every country on the face of the Earth.

Sorry, kid, but you might want to re-think your plans a little. I recommend IT training. That's a growing field.

Anyhow, to answer the question, I think we can all probably come to the general consensus that humankind is too inherently flawed to create a perfect society. Not that we shouldn't try, of course, but I wouldn't count on it happening.

[Delthayre]

Well then I'll just take them over by force, after all the USA has the greatest army, navy and air force in the world so therefor we can't not be stop. I think it's now pretty clear that you're either a bad joke or addled in the head.

Besides, you fail to take into account that despite it's technological advantage and general superior training, the US army is far from the largest, has suprisingly few actual general infantry, and isn't properly prepared for unconventional warfare. There is all so no consideration of the inevitable anti-war uproar, and with a stated goal of world conquest I don't think you'll see the kind of support that one generaly needs to exercise and sustain military force.

[Washington]

You, my dear friend... are what we call on fark "a Troll"


So I invite the rest of us here to "Not Feed The Trolls" and would someone please delete his account and block his IP? We don't need this crap here. Now now there's no reason to get angry.

[PressureCooker]

Once again:

"Please Do Not Feed The Trolls"

Thank you, that is all.

[Czar Gato]

Well then I'll just take them over by force, after all the USA has the greatest army, navy and air force in the world so therefor we can't not be stop. Wow. I think my brain just exploded after reading that.

Look, not to be a killjoy or anything, Wash, but it simply can't be done. If you try to take over countries by force, then you'll just create more bloodshed and destruction. Perfection can never be obtained in this world, so you can only do so much before you turn into the very thing you are trying to eradicate.

I think it was T.S. Eliot who wrote that any day in which you cause just one single human being other than yourself to smile and feel good is a day well spent. You can actually accomplish a lot for those around you when you realize that that is as far as the average person's power goes- and trust me, that goes a long way. :)

[Washington]

I think it's now pretty clear that you're either a bad joke or addled in the head. Are you saying that I'm insane, becuse I am not.
I just have great ambition that I need to fullfill.

[ToOn~g@l]

Are you saying that I'm insane, becuse I am not.
I just have great ambition that I need to fullfill.
From now on your name is Brain, now where can I find an imbecile for you.

[Delthayre]

Are you saying that I'm insane, becuse I am not.
I just have great ambition that I need to fullfill.
You're right, you're condition is actually worse than being insane. It's called being an adolescent. Don't worry, you'll grow out of it and start focusing on actually achievable and less comically grandiose goals in about two or three years.

I mean, after all, when I was seventeen I was still a communist.

[Tash]

Take away everyone's free will. Then it will be a perfect world, because there will be no objections.

As long as we're on the subject, has anyone ever seen Equalibrium, that cheesy movie about the future? Something like that. Except in that movie, the terrorist who destroyed the perfect world was portrayed as a hero. He decided that he disliked the way the world worked, so he killed the leader of the government.

So the lesson is: even if you take away everyone's free will, some idiot who dislikes your method will always find a way to screw it up.

[Washington]

I think of myself as a genius and a visionary like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar and Napoleon Bonaparte.

[Fresh V]

I think of myself as a genius and a visionary like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar and Napoleon Bonaparte.
Answer this: How do you plan on getting so much power that you could create a perfect world?

[Washington]

You will see soon enough.

[Metroid_spy]

I think of myself as a genius and a visionary like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar and Napoleon Bonaparte. Aren't you being a little over confident?

Well if thats the way you think of yourself, thats okay. I was just wondering.

[Washington]

Isn't anyone else going to tell me what they think of my plan?

[randomguy]

Isn't anyone else going to tell me what they think of my plan?So long, Jarmyn. It was fun. Nothin' but love for ya.

[Fresh V]

So long, Jarmyn. It was fun. Nothin' but love for ya.
Oh my god. That was Jarmyn?

[Jave]

Oh my god. That was Jarmyn?Yup. Definitely.

[LightShadow1890]

Oh my god. That was Jarmyn?
I dunno. But I haven't seen Jarmyn's posts in a long time, so I wouldn't know.

But seriously, far impossible. I live near a park which is name Utopia, and they list different events where people tried to make a perfect world, more known as a utopia, on the park's description. Each case failed.

Guys, read The Giver. Especially you, Washington.

[RD!]

Guys, read The Giver. Especially you, Washington.
I fail to see how the Giver is supposed to destroy the idea of a Utopia I mean... it worked, everyone was happy. Everyone was ignorant, but they were happy and that's really all that matters isn't it? The only flaw with the Giver is that they didn't expect the impact of their plan on the Reciever.

[zmanjz]

you know...

I'm going to go ahead and close this as a "Thread of the Banned" (that and it served mostly as post count padding for late "Washington")