C&C - Fullmetal Alchemist - "Red Glow" [4/2]

[The Landstander]

Another alchemy adventure, another thread.

[Demonic Raven]

Hey there, Scar! Fancy seeing you here. :p

Who is that guy that just got released?

There goes one of the brothers...the other brother seems surprisingly unphased.

[Animeforever'04]

crap this is one screwed up episode!:o
very disturbing and killer!:)

[Juu-kuchi]

I don't dig the rather raspy voice they gave Chimera Tucker, but the rest of this episode is quite shocking and still excellent.

[Timmay]

I don't dig the rather raspy voice they gave Chimera Tucker, but the rest of this episode is quite shocking and still excellent.
That's how it was in the original.. he's got his head upside down I think that causes problems.

[PearlRose86]

So many revalations in this episode.... wow.

Great episode, and I'm still trying to take all of it in. The Scar backstory was quite nice.



-Maggie

[Sandoz]

I didn't think it was possible for Tucker to be any creepier...Jeez, I never expected to see him again. And poor Nina still can't rest in peace, can she? :(

Very creepy and interesting episode. The plot continues to thicken.

[Scythemantis]

Plenty of the creepy, creaturey stuff I like. Love Chimera Tucker. A lot happened in this ep, and the scope is getting much more epic and surreal.

[NickWhiz1]

Holy crap, a lot of stuff happened in this episode. Scar's backstory was really interesting, although I'm sure there's probably more to it than that.

Tucker's back, and ironically enough, he is a chimera as well.

Looks like next week we get a big fight between Ed/Al, Scar, and Lust/Gluttony/Envy. Oh man, this series freakin' rules.

[Demonic Raven]

I thought chimeras were gross before, but chimera Tucker takes the prize!

So...Ed is now really close to making the philosophers stone. My question is...will he actually do it? Consider this...that liquid stuff had to have been made from dead humans in mass numbers. I know I wouldn't make it..it's just wrong.

That or he still needs to do some mass killing for it to be complete. In which Ed still won't go through with it.

Anyway....8/10

[Strollymonster]

WOW.

Crazy revalations.

-Younger brother suicide...

- Al struggling with his concept of self.

- Scar and Al team up?!

- Hey, it's that one explosion dude that was in Ishbala...

- Who is Greed and why don't the other Homunculi like him?

-TUCKER'S STILL ALIVE?!??!?! He looks like a sweater wrapped around a faceless bear's neck...

-And he can't let Nina be...

-Scar's history...wow.

- Crazy naked dude that also tried human alchemy...but how'd Scar get...the scar?

-Loads of "red water".

-And it looks like we're going to see some good fighting next time.

[Juu-kuchi]

That's how it was in the original.. he's got his head upside down I think that causes problems. Oh okay. It's decent, but it's a bit too raspy for my tastes.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

So, Scar's brother presumably tried the same thing Al and Ed did with their mom on his dead girlfriend, but with better results, creating Lust? That's what it seems to be hinting at.

Shou Tucker being alive was a huge "WTF?" moment. That guy deserves an ass kicking for what he did to Nina.

This episode was chock full of revelations, and it was cool to see Al and Scar sort of working together.

[Razor]

Forget Tucker. WHAT THE HECK WAS GRAN DOING THERE?!

*runs around screaming*

[poncho]

Forget Tucker. WHAT THE HECK WAS GRAN DOING THERE?!

*runs around screaming* That was Envy. He turned into Gran in order to go free all those prisoners. (This isn't a spoiler or anything, Lust mentions this).

Although why Gran, I don't quite understand myself. ;)

[One Radical Dude]

A kick-butt episode. Scar's past was intriguing, and whoa, I did not expect Scar and Al to team up. It was nice to hear more about Tucker (and Nina). There are more questions that need to be answered.

Rating: A-

[Razor]

... Gee, thanks poncho.

MARK SPOILERS NEXT TIME.

[poncho]

... Gee, thanks poncho.

MARK SPOILERS NEXT TIME. :sweat:
Let me repeat, (This isn't a spoiler or anything, Lust mentions in this very episode, while Gran is out rounding up the prisoners, that "all that's left is for Envy to bring in the prisoners").

[livingfruitvirus]

Forget Tucker. WHAT THE HECK WAS GRAN DOING THERE?!

*runs around screaming*That confused me too. At first I thought it was another flashback, because this show has an awkward way of not indicating when a flashback occurs.

[Razor]

:sweat:
Let me repeat, (This isn't a spoiler or anything, Lust mentions in this very episode, while Gran is out rounding up the prisoners, that "all that's left is for Envy to bring in the prisoners").
There's still the possibility that someone didn't put all that together. x_x

[poncho]

There's still the possibility that someone didn't put all that together. x_x Then I'm merely bringing said someone up to the level of understanding the rest of us have. :p

[LiquidXIR]

Then it's not a spoiler, jeez, don't blame him for your inattentiveness.


Good episode, alot of reprecussions

[Razor]

It is too a spoiler, unless Lust said Envy was posing as that person blatantly..

[poncho]

It is too a spoiler, unless Lust said Envy was posing as that person blatantly.. Okay, I'm sorry, I won't answer any more questions. :shrug:

[LiquidXIR]

It absolutely was not, because you would never find out later on in the series, the writers didnt want to insult anyones intelligence in having to outright state that when everyone knows Basque Gran was very dead and that Envy's power as stated multiple times previously that his ability is to shapeshift. You are supposed to naturally reason that the person strolling around is not a dead guy whose head we see explode but infact a shapeshift who was specifically mentioned to be walked around the compound. Jeez

[Strollymonster]

It is too a spoiler, unless Lust said Envy was posing as that person blatantly..
If it was mentioned/revealed in the current episode, it's not a spoiler. It would have to reveal/mention something in a future episode to qualify. If you watched last week's episode and didn't listen when he was revealed to be Barry the Chopper, you couldn't accuse those in the talkback of spoiling it for you.

[Razor]

fine... I apologize...

[shoujoaifan]

KICK. ASS. That was great! Plenty of drama and plot development abound. That's about it.

I had no problem with figuring out that the Gran look alike was Envy since they said "Envy was rounding them up" as a voiceover in the very scene where he's as Gran. You would have to have watched the scene and and had not paid attention or had the volume off not to catch it.

[Vagrant]

I'm beginning to loathe this show so much I don't pay attention to half of what's going on. Contrived scenarios, contrived pseudo-science, contrived characters and contrived scenes inserted for shock value. If this sliding bore doesn't congeal itself into something that makes me care about these characters, I'll have another half-hour a week to play with.

[Hakuhatsu]

(Sits in chair hugging self, muttering "WTF" over and over to himself)

Um, yeah.

Quite the philosophical quandries presented tonight; Al's question of existence and whether or not he's real or the product of Ed's alchemy; the two brothers presenting Ed with the question of the constitution of humanity and how they can't be considered "human" while living in the armor and how they'd be put to death if they were returned to flesh and blood; the younger brother choosing death rather than coninuing to exist as he was and finally, the problem of the unconcentrated red liquid to create a philosopher's stone (IT'S MADE OUT OF PEOPLE!!!!!!!) and Ed having the ethical dilema of choosing to purify the liquid and create a philosopher's stone or not.

Yes, Chimera-Tucker was unsettling to say the least.

Lust, lust, lust... given a choice of which sin to die by, I'd take Lust.

[PickHut]

Twist, after twist, after twist. I thought I'd be shocked by all of them, but surprisingly, I wasn't. I guess it's hard to when there always seems to be a shocker in almost every episode. Besides that, it was a good episode. I was surprised, though, at how calmly Scar was around Al. Sure, he's not an alchemist, but you'd think he would be more cautious around him.

I give Red Glow a B.

[Mr. Pedro]

Very good episode. Nice exchange between Al, Barry and Scar. Nice to see some of Scar's background. Really surprised to see Tucker return..............and looking like that. Good for shock value, I suppose.

Now I really want to see where this is all heading.

[TnAdct1]

Who is that guy that just got released?


- Who is Greed and why don't the other Homunculi like him? All I can say is that these two questions end up answering each other. Speaking of Greed, I can tell you one thing: anything he can do, Envy can do better. (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?vid_id=48434) :anime:

Finally, after reading the spoilers and noticing what Scar's brother tried to do, I have to ask, "Did someone actually try to bring a bald, fat male back to life?"

[Timmay]

I'm beginning to loathe this show so much I don't pay attention to half of what's going on. Contrived scenarios, contrived pseudo-science, contrived characters and contrived scenes inserted for shock value. If this sliding bore doesn't congeal itself into something that makes me care about these characters, I'll have another half-hour a week to play with. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=contrived are you sure you used the right word?

Every anime, television show, anything, is contrived. How can you call it contrived(which is kind of a good thing anyway) when everything else is? And hate it when everything else is.

Just wondering.

[Vagrant]

'Obviously planned or calculated; not spontaneous or natural; labored: a novel with a contrived ending.'

Yeah, I used it correctly.

[Timmay]

'Obviously planned or calculated; not spontaneous or natural; labored: a novel with a contrived ending.'

Yeah, I used it correctly.
Maybe you'll like the second half better seeing as they caught up to the manga and decided to keep on with a different storyline than the manga.

[NewLib]

Maybe you'll like the second half better seeing as they caught up to the manga and decided to keep on with a different storyline than the manga.Or maybe he just wont like it?

I mean I have heard complaints about GITS slowness from FMA and its doesnt compute. This show has so much just filler (being both in plot and actual people standing around doing nothing). I seriously think they could of sped it up and we could be at this point in the anime at Episode 11. DBZ syndrome says I.

But saying all that. I liked this episode. The series actually seems to be gaining some sort of direction.

[Perfect Cell]

Stupid daylight savings time made me loose the replay. So i missed it today :crying: Oh well ill watch it thursday

[shoujoaifan]

Finally, after reading the spoilers and noticing what Scar's brother tried to do, I have to ask, "Did someone actually try to bring a bald, fat male back to life?"Beauty is in the, well, inside, as corny as that is. Also if someone loves them enough and is willing to bring them back to life, they're not going to care if they're on the chunky side, or just plain out fat. Of course, we could both be wrong and him being fat could be a recent thing. One too many humans before bed?

Now that I think about it, I guess getting into the 20's and finally getting answers (well, earlier when meeting Dr. Marcoh in the teen's) is kinda slow.

I just never noticed. I've been entertained by all of it, and aside from a few episodes where the only connection to the storyline is a cameo by the Homunculai or a clue given by a minor character in the end of an episode, nearly all of it has been adding to the storyline, and the same with character development.

I gotta hand it to the anime writers, I know the manga and anime split off soon, and there has been both subtle and major changes already, but alot of this really surprised me since I thought I could see it coming. Silly, pleasantly wrong me :p

[Timmay]

Or maybe he just wont like it?

I mean I have heard complaints about GITS slowness from FMA and its doesnt compute. This show has so much just filler (being both in plot and actual people standing around doing nothing). I seriously think they could of sped it up and we could be at this point in the anime at Episode 11. DBZ syndrome says I.

But saying all that. I liked this episode. The series actually seems to be gaining some sort of direction.
Me being an instant fan of this show when I first watched it, has a hard time understanding what's bad about it. This show isn't filled with action at all times, but that doesn't make it bad, there aren't many fillers like you seem to think. While just about every STAND ALONE episode of GITS is "filler."

Every episode of FMA has some sort of plot advancement or character.. minus one episode.

[Demonic Raven]

That's one of my main complaints about GitS. In the beginning, it was all fine and dandy no matter what type of episode it was. Later on, I got tired of all of the Stand Alones, and stopped watching unless it was a Complex. Complex ones actually stuck to one specific storyline and followed it through with each ep. Though I will admit, some of the Stand Alones are really good.

With FMA, every episode has been contributing to the central story with only one episode that doesn't matter. That was the one with Psiren, which rocked anyway. :p

[Riza Hawkeye]

Well, I still haven't seen the episode and because of Daylight Savings time I have to wait until Thrusday, which kind of annoys me...sigh...I'll post some pics of moments from the episode though:

Greed is free! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap181.jpg) ok, this isn't really a spoiler but, he's my favorite sin (by far)
More Greed (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap179.jpg)
I wonder who they (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap180.jpg) are? :p
Al protects Scar? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap182.jpg)
Bye Bye (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap183.jpg), half of 48
Someone asked about him (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap186.jpg), right? He was already shown before, but this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap185.jpg) should tell you enough about him, if you go back to my post in the previous FMA episode talkback.
Tucker's (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap187.jpg)as messed up as ever.

Scar's past 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap188.jpg) 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap189.jpg) (his reaction to his brother = 2) 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap190.jpg) 4 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap191.jpg) 5 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap192.jpg) 6 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap193.jpg) 7 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap194.jpg) 8 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap195.jpg)(did Scar's brother realize something = 3-8) 9 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap196.jpg) 10 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap197.jpg) And yes, I did just devote 10 pictures to Scar's flashback, because not only is it important I want to see is some people can realize what I did after watching this scene for the first time all those months ago.

Ed's reaction (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap198.jpg) to the 'room'
The 'room' (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap199.jpg)
The 'room' (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap200.jpg) from above.
Tucker's reaction (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap201.jpg) to Ed's statement about not being a normal alchemist. Note, I don't know if the dub kept that line the same, I'm going by the original. What really sucks is how awesome the full preview is and everyone misses out on here. I won't post pics from it, but it gives a lot away about the upcoming episode.

Damn, I haven't posted that many pics from one episode in a long time. Since I won't see this episode for a little bit, can someone who has seen the original and tonight's episode tell me you Greed's VAs compare?

LFV, you asked about why Gran would be used by Envy, right? Remember two episodes ago it was revealed that Gran was in charge of the 5th Lab.

[Sketch]

Whoa... Tucker... Yikes. Though he almost looks cuddly if not psycho.

Nina :crying:

Scar's past... Wow. No wonder he's so screwed up and hates State Alchemistists with a passion.

Greed was awesome in that scene. I think he's voiced by another ADV regular. He was Kai Kudo on E's Otherwise and Eiji on Gravion.

:eek: At the preview...

Ed you fool, don't tamper with these things of pure evil!!!

[Riza Hawkeye]

Greed was awesome in that scene. I think he's voiced by another ADV regular. He was Kai Kudo on E's Otherwise and Eiji on Gravion.
What I know Chris Patton from is Joshua in Chrono Crusade, did he do Greed well? Was he cocky enough?

[Timmay]

Zero complaints about Greed, but he only had like 6 lines.. We'll see how he does the other episodes.

[Sketch]

What I know Chris Patton from is Joshua in Chrono Crusade, did he do Greed well? Was he cocky enough?
Yeah I think that was him. Not exactly sure though. It wasn't a FUNi regular, that much I'm sure of. I know I've heard the voice in ADV animes before and I'm pretty sure it was Patton (who has worked on FUNi dubs a bit in recently).

He seemed cocky enough to me... But I've never heard Greed in Japanese.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Good to hear there are no complaints, FUNimation is really doing a good job hear in cast the roles overall.

Hyper, well I checked up at ANN and he's listed as Greed and the roles you mentioned, so it has to be Chris. I heard about a month ago he would have some role in FMA. I guess I was right when I asked Lance about him being Greed's VA, that's likely why he avoided answering me.

[qwert]

I normally just lurk, but I thought Greed's voice was fairly dandy, it did lack a certain something that the original had though. He did sound plenty cocky, he just lacked maybe a raw edge the orginal had, this one might have been a touch too refined for this perticular homculi.

Also I love Glut's voice. Pure Love.

[Riza Hawkeye]

For me, I like Gluttony's dub VA but like the original more. My favorites are Vic as Ed, Chris as Alex, Laura as Lust, and Dameon as Scar.

[ShadowGUN]

Wow sick episode. Man , when I saw Chimera-Tucker I was "WTF is that?". So Scar brother try to pull an that same crazy stunt Ed pull. From this episode I gather that Greed is more powerfull that Lust and others. Guess Michael Douglas was right "Greed is good" :evil: .

[shadowstrain]

Does some sort of history exist between Scar's brother and what now classifies as Lust?

[Vallen Valiant]

Does some sort of history exist between Scar's brother and what now classifies as Lust?
You know, no one who has the answer is going to answer that, or they'll risk getting smacked up the head.:evil:

Why don't you offer your own theories for the supposed connection? I know the truth, but it's more fun for everybody to hear the theories from people who don't know the future...

[shadowstrain]

Why don't you offer your own theories for the supposed connection? I know the truth, but it's more fun for everybody to hear the theories from people who don't know the future...
I pondered her as possibly Scar's brother's wife that he failed to bring back to life through human transmutation. Maybe he somehow got the idea to turn her into a humunculi during his trip towards insanity.

[True Noir]

Good episode. I liked the flashback into Scar's past. Told a lot about how he was before and how different he is now. It was cool to see him working (sort of) together with Al to try and defeat Lust. As for Tucker, omg, he looked so disgusting in that episode. Gah. And Nina, if I was Ed, I would have been ten times as pissed as he was if I found out that Tucker was trying to bring her back or more like make a copy. That's just so wrong.

5/5

[O-chan]

All I can say is that I'm so glad I got DVD#2 before coming across this episode (I didn't start watching the show regularly until Episode #8) since it goes back to a lot of the events that occured in episode #7.

Scar's past is just...I hope there's more to it. I mean where did all that blood come from. I can assume alchemy, but from who?

I was half expecting (spoilers for those of you who have not seen Neon Genesis Evangelion) half nekkid Rei'sto be floating around in the "red" room. It just reminded me of that specific scene in that anime.

I think Ed's voice actor did an excellent job in this episode. In the first episode I thought he sounded a little too cocky but since then I have come to think of Vic Micgona IS Edward Elric. I also think in these episode Arron Dismuke's performance as Al has improved dramatically. In the first couple of episodes he actually sounded very "standard" in other word not bad but he didn't seem to emote his voice too much. But it the last 3 or 4 episodes the shakiness in his voice when faced with a startling revelation is nothing short of amazing.

Awesome all around, can't wait for next weeks.

O-chan

[Paul_Cousins]

This episode ROCKED!! 10 out of 10 stars from beinginning to end. :cool:

Since everyone has mentions most of the good parts in the episode, I just say that Scar was the one to steal the show in thie episode.

At the beginning of the episode, Barry said, "...I kill, therefore I am." He then rushes at Scar with his cleaver, yelling, "Whether I am real or human doesn't matter! I'm a killer and that's all I need to know!

Scar blocks Berry attack by grabbing and holding Barry's right arm. Scar then replies, "You're right. There is no need for you to prove you exist because very soon you won't."

But to give Berry credit, he know that to face someone like Scar, you need to use explosives. :zim:

No wonder, Scar hates alchemy. It's against his religion. State alchemists destroy his home town and his older brother went crazy trying use alchemy to bring his love back from the dead.

It took Scar's brother a few years to go crazy, but when he did, he went totally fruit loops. Walking out into the open in the buff, tattoos all over his body, with look a total insanity in his eyes, while he was rambling like the madman he was.

On some level you have to feel for Scar, he maybe a religious fanatic, but we can see why.

It seemed that AL was starting to talk some reason in Scar, to bad Lust and Gluttony showed up to ruin it.

And what's worried be at the end of the episode it that Ed had that same look in his eyes as Scar's brother did when he went crazy. :sweat:

[David Lucas]

"Oh, you fool. Don't you know how homoculi are born?"

Sorry, that doesn't really classify as a spoiler, but you'll hear it a lot in the show.

Riza, I totally agree on Gluttony's voice. I don't like his dub VA. The Gluttony of the original had kind of a sinister little kid feel to him. This american voice just sounds sinister. Every time I hear it I get mad, because its the only voice I don't like. A scary fat guy who sounds creepy and eats people? Weird. A scary fat guy who sounds like a creepy lil child and eats people? Awesome.
Seeing all of Full Metal earlier than the 7 months it takes each DVD to come out? Priceless.

As for Gu-ri-do (Sorry, I LOVE calling him that!), I got no overall complaints with his voice, it's just a lil too high pitched. I wholeheartedly concur that Greed was the best homoculi, damn near the best character period. His voice had a lot to do with it though. Everytime he sees someone and just calmly in almost a surfer dude type japanese accent says, ".........yo." I got all "Hell yeah!"

I'll give this new guy a chance though, I gave Ed's VA a chance and I haven't been disappointed yet. And Barry's is really starting to grown on me.

I'm EXSTATIC that they made Shou's voice all raspy like the original, and I forgot this episode really introduces Kimblee. We're certainly moving along. Ya know, it's weird, but everytime I watch one of these new episodes in English, all I think through the really cool parts is, "Damn, the mofos at Toonzone must be flipping out right now."

I love you guys.

[Captain Zechs]

Incredible episode, it just gets better and better and I have an idea of what Ed was going to tell Al, keep in mind it is just a thought:

I think he was going to tell him that Scar killed Nina

I mean really, it sounds possible! Al didn't even try to harm Scar in this episode he even protected him, he would have never done that if he had known he killed Nina, so i think that is what he was going to say.

No I have not read ahead and know what happens, although because of my lousy friend (eh shes not lousy but hey) she told me what hapens in ep25, so thats what I think Ed wanted to tell Al.

[Captain Zechs]

Wow sick episode. Man , when I saw Chimera-Tucker I was "WTF is that?". So Scar brother try to pull an that same crazy stunt Ed pull. From this episode I gather that Greed is more powerfull that Lust and others. Guess Michael Douglas was right "Greed is good" :evil: .
So thats...lets see 4 of them, can't wait to see the rest ;)

I believe Greed was that one guy who like broke out and stuff ya know, when berry pressed the explosion, not sure though there may need some clarification...

Oh I agree, Tucker freaked me out, I was like WTF as well, sent chills down my spine, it wouldn't have been so bad if his facve was the right way...

[Funkatron]

Whats wierd about Tucker now is that his bags under his eyes look like eyebrows now :p Always thought that was neat.

Great translation once again. Love all the voices. I didn't even realise Greed showed up so early. I didn't remember seeing him the first time around last year.

I agree about Gluttony. He lost his pycho childlike quality and is now just psycho. I used to love his simple "can I eat him?". Now, he just seems too...smart :p

[MiltonBradley]

Near the end of the episode, Ed asked Tucker-Chimera a question:

"What alchemist has that kind of skill? Dr. Marcoh? Basque Gran? Or is it someone else? Answer me, Tucker. Who the hell's runnin' this place?"

Was that question actually answered, and I just didn't pick up on it, or is it something that we're going to wait until next week to learn?

[Demonic Raven]

Alright, so we have 3 sins left to go....Sloth, Wrath, and Pride. If I had to guess, Wrath is going to be kickass. But that's pure guess, I have no clue. :p

[TsuiTsui]

This appearance of the "Chimera-Tucker" is pretty disturbing ... :sweat:

I liked the little drama between Ed and those two serial-killer brothers who shared the same suit of armor. I thought their discussions about their reluctance to continue living, even after returning to their human bodies, were pretty touching.

[Artimus Gigan]

I think a bigger question has been posed

How can Chimera Tucker walk? His eyes are literaly in the back of his head, not to mention he would view every thing upsidedown(he must have eternal neck pain)

Also how does he go to the bathroom, I mean are there two ways to go number 1 and number 2 now? Or does he not go to the bathroom at all, and therefore he doesn't eat...

[LiquidXIR]

We should all be thankful those questions are never answered

[Timmay]

Great thing about this show is that just about every character has some sort of connection to every other character.

[Dark Soul]

That was one screwed up episode but it was great. Tucker what the hell do you do to yourself. The preview of the next episode spoiled a lot. I give the episode a 9/10.

[PaQ]

Aye, the psychotic Tucker has shown his face once again.. Can't seem to let go of Nina, stupid guy shouldn't have experimented on her in the first place. :mad:

[Freedom Fighter]

Okay, here's a question that probably does have an answer (a spoiler-rific one): We saw Scar's brother be inspired by the power of the attacking State Alchemists to try and bring back his dead girlfriend/wife from the dead. We know what it resulted in. Present day... we know Scar himself has at least some of those same markings that his brother did and also knows how to use alchemy. Did Scar himself make an attempt to bring back the people of Ishbal (or at the very least, his own brother) to life?

Tucker's a chimera, and still insane! I'm surprised Ed hasn't killed him... oh wait, that's against his character, especially considering his reaction to half of 48 committing suicide by rubbing out his own 'life circle' in the same episode. I still think Tucker needs to die, though. But not until he answers Ed's question... who is running this show anyway?

8 out of 10 for "Red Glow." Next week... a lot of fighting, a lot more revelations, and maybe... Ed and Al decide whether making a Philosopher's Stone truly is still worth it?

[David Lucas]

No I have not read ahead and know what happens, although because of my lousy friend (eh shes not lousy but hey) she told me what hapens in ep25, so thats what I think Ed wanted to tell Al.
In all honesty, based on that statement, it sounds like you DON'T know what happens in Episode 25. I hope you don't cause it's just so much better if you don't have it ruined for you. But if you DO know, no, that's not what Ed wants to tell Al. Why would he?

It hasn't happened yet.

PM me if you have any questions, do not post a spoiler about 25 in here.

[Timmay]

Okay, here's a question that probably does have an answer (a spoiler-rific one): We saw Scar's brother be inspired by the power of the attacking State Alchemists to try and bring back his dead girlfriend/wife from the dead. We know what it resulted in. Present day... we know Scar himself has at least some of those same markings that his brother did and also knows how to use alchemy. Did Scar himself make an attempt to bring back the people of Ishbal (or at the very least, his own brother) to life?
You'll find out more about him in.. uh.. I forget what episodes.. His arm has a huge backstory.

[G1Ravage]

I WANT THE DAMN FMA DVD STARTER BOX!!!!!

But it's sold out everywhere I go. :(

[Vallen Valiant]

Now that one of the Slasher brothers commited suicide, and the other spoke his mind concerning his existance in limbo, what do people feel about these people?

In the previous episode, I described my view that the Slashers might not be serial killers at all, but soldiers who became fall-guys after commiting war-crimes under orders.

One such reason was how the brothers actually describe themselves as guilty, evil people. People who don't even deserve another chance in life.

Now that you all know as much about them as you ever will be, what are your views concerning the past identities of the Slasher brothers?

Are they really serial killers?
Or do they blame themselves for crimes that aren't directly their fault? Perhaps acting under orders? Or did nothing while a crime took place in front of their eyes?

From Chosen Raven in the previous CC FMA thread:

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The slicer brothers have already been taken out. Barry is the only one left.


I mean taken out in a more permanent way. I can't abide serial killers.
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In particular, Chosen Raven, could you update your views on the Slicer brothers for me?

It's fine if your views remained unchanged, but I am interested in your and anyone elses views on the mentality of the brothers, and who they once were... Knowing what you know now, did they redeem themselves?

[MiltonBradley]

GREAT episode, from beginning to end. But one minor complaint: No Mustang/Hawkeye posse. Three straight weeks now.

[Funkatron]

Okay, here's a question that probably does have an answer (a spoiler-rific one): We saw Scar's brother be inspired by the power of the attacking State Alchemists to try and bring back his dead girlfriend/wife from the dead. We know what it resulted in. Present day... we know Scar himself has at least some of those same markings that his brother did and also knows how to use alchemy. Did Scar himself make an attempt to bring back the people of Ishbal (or at the very least, his own brother) to life?

Tucker's a chimera, and still insane! I'm surprised Ed hasn't killed him... oh wait, that's against his character, especially considering his reaction to half of 48 committing suicide by rubbing out his own 'life circle' in the same episode. I still think Tucker needs to die, though. But not until he answers Ed's question... who is running this show anyway?

8 out of 10 for "Red Glow." Next week... a lot of fighting, a lot more revelations, and maybe... Ed and Al decide whether making a Philosopher's Stone truly is still worth it? Once you find out how got his tatoos, you'll flip. Twice. He's already hinted at it an ep or 2 back. I suggest you rewatch the ep he is in the Ishbal camp :)

[Chosen Raven]

In particular, Chosen Raven, could you update your views on the Slicer brothers for me?

I admit, I now feel a tiny bit of pity for the Slicer brothers. But still, they pretty much admit to being serial-killers. If they were once military, the show probably would have hinted at it in some way(like what was done with Roy). When Ed tried to connect the older Slicer brother with the younger, the younger freaked out. So I think he killed himself because he was too afraid to go on living, not because he believed he needed to die because of what he'd done. The Slicer brothers seem more grounded than Barry. In a way that makes them worse. Even though Barry's unquestionably evil, you could at least say he's not in his right mind. The Slicer brothers seem quite sane(the older more so than the younger).

Still hoping someone takes care of Barry.

What Ed was trying to do in this episode says something about his character(and not something good I'm afraid). He was actually going to let the Slicer brothers go free. He was going to let admited serial-killers, serial-killers who obviously hadn't kicked the habit, walk the streets. If he didn't want to kill them, he could have used his alchemy to imprison them in some way.

[Captain Zechs]

In all honesty, based on that statement, it sounds like you DON'T know what happens in Episode 25. I hope you don't cause it's just so much better if you don't have it ruined for you. But if you DO know, no, that's not what Ed wants to tell Al. Why would he?

It hasn't happened yet.

PM me if you have any questions, do not post a spoiler about 25 in here.
Pardon me but, what the frikin hell are you talking about?!?!?! read my whole post...now its time for a Napolean moment...GOSH FRIKIN IDIOT :p

[poncho]

What Ed was trying to do in this episode says something about his character(and not something good I'm afraid). He was actually going to let the Slicer brothers go free. He was going to let admited serial-killers, serial-killers who obviously hadn't kicked the habit, walk the streets. If he didn't want to kill them, he could have used his alchemy to imprison them in some way. They preferred death to continuing their imprisonment in the laboratory; those were really the only options. Yeah, Ed wanted them to go free. It's just another reminder that he's still only a child, and has a lot of trouble thinking outside of his own wants and needs. This has always been a problem for him, if you haven't noticed. :p

[NewLib]

Me being an instant fan of this show when I first watched it, has a hard time understanding what's bad about it. This show isn't filled with action at all times, but that doesn't make it bad, there aren't many fillers like you seem to think. While just about every STAND ALONE episode of GITS is "filler."

Every episode of FMA has some sort of plot advancement or character.. minus one episode.
Not true about GITS. Its like Bebop in the fact that the Stand Alone episodes all advance the characters in some way. I can think of ONE episode where we didnt learn a lot about a characters action and motives.

As for FMA, its not an episode by episode thing. Maybe every episode has plot advancement, but its a small part of so many episodes. I wont say any episode is 100% filler, but I say every episode is 50% filler. I dont have any problem focusing on character advancement, but when people are literally standing around doing nothing and reactionary shots which just fill time.

[poncho]

As for FMA, its not an episode by episode thing. Maybe every episode has plot advancement, but its a small part of so many episodes. I wont say any episode is 100% filler, but I say every episode is 50% filler. I dont have any problem focusing on character advancement, but when people are literally standing around doing nothing and reactionary shots which just fill time. That's a very odd thing to say about this particular show. I find it applies to the vast majority of shows on TV, but if nothing else, I'd say that FMA is very tightly written. I really don't see what you're talking about, unless you consider anything other than people bashing each other's brains out "filler". :D Nearly all the dialogue is somehow plot-related, and very little of it is redundant.

[NewLib]

That's a very odd thing to say about this particular show. I find it applies to the vast majority of shows on TV, but if nothing else, I'd say that FMA is very tightly written. I really don't see what you're talking about, unless you consider anything other than people bashing each other's brains out "filler". :D Nearly all the dialogue is somehow plot-related, and very little of it is redundant.Its not odd at all. There are too many silences and there are too many dialogues moments that just are there. A lot of it just comes off as psuedo-intellectual filler, which at its heart is still FILLER. Its like going to one of those websites and typing in a topic and it writes 5 pages of filler on it. Just because they dont repeat themselves and just because it was a connection to the plot, doesnt mean it isnt filler. Well-written filler? Yes. But filler is filler in my eyes.

Edit: GITS is guilty of this same sin.

[poncho]

Its not odd at all. There are too many silences and there are too many dialogues moments that just are there. A lot of it just comes off as psuedo-intellectual filler, which at its heart is still FILLER. Its like going to one of those websites and typing in a topic and it writes 5 pages of filler on it. Just because they dont repeat themselves and just because it was a connection to the plot, doesnt mean it isnt filler. Well-written filler? Yes. But filler is filler in my eyes.

Edit: GITS is guilty of this same sin. Eh, I don't know. I personally find myself irritated by exactly the kind of thing you're describing, but I see virtually none of it in FMA. I just found it remarkable that you complain about this, because one of the things I liked about it was how generally efficient it was compared to most other anime. YMMV, I guess, but I didn't think it would vary this much. :sweat:

If it were any faster-paced, I'd say it was unpleasantly rushed. ;)

[NewLib]

Eh, I don't know. I personally find myself irritated by exactly the kind of thing you're describing, but I see virtually none of it in FMA. I just found it remarkable that you complain about this, because one of the things I liked about it was how generally efficient it was compared to most other anime. YMMV, I guess, but I didn't think it would vary this much. :sweat:

If it were any faster-paced, I'd say it was unpleasantly rushed. ;)I think one of my problems with FMA is there just is a lot of unnatural talking. Al and Ed talking to all of their enemies for a good length of time. I mean it doesnt make any sense. I mean why did Al listen to a word Tucker said? It doesnt fit his personality at all. He is prone to emotional outbursts and rash thinking and seeing Tucker SHOULD of brough that back out. It didnt. Instead he started talking to him like nothing had happenend in the past between them. That Nina somehow never existed. I know they mentioned her, but you get my gist.

I just find a lot of FMA and GITS for that matter talk for the sake of talking. I think FMA is going to get itself in trouble with its plot being too complicated, because its already weaving a web which has more loose-ends then I can keep track of. How bad is it going to be before the conclusions are finnaly reached? There is a such thing as too much plot.

Edit: I think this comes from a natural bias of mine. I like the plot to be laid down and then the characters fleshed out around it. Not have the plot grow and grow and grow to the point where the characters are only bit players.

[poncho]

I think one of my problems with FMA is there just is a lot of unnatural talking. Al and Ed talking to all of their enemies for a good length of time. I mean it doesnt make any sense. I mean why did Al listen to a word Tucker said? It doesnt fit his personality at all. He is prone to emotional outbursts and rash thinking and seeing Tucker SHOULD of brough that back out. It didnt. Instead he started talking to him like nothing had happenend in the past between them. That Nina somehow never existed. I know they mentioned her, but you get my gist.
I think the thing is that Ed isn't quite himself when veritable tubs of the philosopher's stone are waved in his face. That scene didn't strike me as particularly odd at all, all things considered. There was a hell of a lot of stuff going on in that lab, and Nina or not, Tucker was there to provide him with information. IMO it would take someone far more impulsive than Ed to just go ballistic in such circumstances, over an event severall years past.

Edit: I think this comes from a natural bias of mine. I like the plot to be laid down and then the characters fleshed out around it. Not have the plot grow and grow and grow to the point where the characters are only bit players. Um. Could you provide an example of the first kind of story? That strikes me as a very unusual method, especially for this genre. ;)

[Funkatron]

I think the thing is that Ed isn't quite himself when veritable tubs of the philosopher's stone are waved in his face. That scene didn't strike me as particularly odd at all, all things considered. There was a hell of a lot of stuff going on in that lab, and Nina or not, Tucker was there to provide him with information. IMO it would take someone far more impulsive than Ed to just go ballistic in such circumstances, over an event severall years past.
Um. Could you provide an example of the first kind of story? That strikes me as a very unusual method, especially for this genre. ;) To me, I like the fact that a. The plot does grow, but the character grow with it and b. Everything matters. Things you think aren't important come back and smack you in the face later on. I love it when FMA does this and it does it a lot. Tucker and Barry for example. You'd never expect either to show up and then BAM! there they are, adding to the growing plot. It makes you think twice about everything you see.

[Riza Hawkeye]

I think one of my problems with FMA is there just is a lot of unnatural talking. Al and Ed talking to all of their enemies for a good length of time. I mean it doesnt make any sense. I mean why did Al listen to a word Tucker said? It doesnt fit his personality at all. He is prone to emotional outbursts and rash thinking and seeing Tucker SHOULD of brough that back out. It didnt. Instead he started talking to him like nothing had happenend in the past between them. That Nina somehow never existed. I know they mentioned her, but you get my gist. I think you meant Ed, not Al, but Ed was very close to attacking Tucker, but what would that accomplish? Ed came to the fifth Lab to learn information.

I just find a lot of FMA and GITS for that matter talk for the sake of talking. I think FMA is going to get itself in trouble with its plot being too complicated, because its already weaving a web which has more loose-ends then I can keep track of. How bad is it going to be before the conclusions are finnaly reached? There is a such thing as too much plot.

Edit: I think this comes from a natural bias of mine. I like the plot to be laid down and then the characters fleshed out around it. Not have the plot grow and grow and grow to the point where the characters are only bit players. May I ask what's complicated? You can't say there are loose-ends until the series finishes. True, that there are a lot questions that still need answering at this point, but we're only on episode 21 of a 51 episode series, there's a lot to go.

[Funkatron]

I think you meant Ed, not Al, but Ed was very close to attacking Tucker, but what would that accomplish? Ed came to the fifth Lab to learn information.

May I ask what's complicated? You can't say there are loose-ends until the series finishes. True, that there are a lot questions that still need answering at this point, but we're only on episode 21 of a 51 episode series, there's a lot to go. I sorta see where he is coming from: the plot does have a lot of threads to follow. Whether or not they stay loose is another matter entirely: it'll all come together...more or less...eventually. I think :p(seen up to ep 40)

[Vallen Valiant]

I admit, I now feel a tiny bit of pity for the Slicer brothers. But still, they pretty much admit to being serial-killers. If they were once military, the show probably would have hinted at it in some way(like what was done with Roy). When Ed tried to connect the older Slicer brother with the younger, the younger freaked out. So I think he killed himself because he was too afraid to go on living, not because he believed he needed to die because of what he'd done. The Slicer brothers seem more grounded than Barry. In a way that makes them worse. Even though Barry's unquestionably evil, you could at least say he's not in his right mind. The Slicer brothers seem quite sane(the older more so than the younger).

Still hoping someone takes care of Barry.

What Ed was trying to do in this episode says something about his character(and not something good I'm afraid). He was actually going to let the Slicer brothers go free. He was going to let admited serial-killers, serial-killers who obviously hadn't kicked the habit, walk the streets. If he didn't want to kill them, he could have used his alchemy to imprison them in some way.
Thanks for the reply, Chosen Raven. Though I don't agree with your views, what you believe in is valid.

Although... When did the show suggest the Brothers haven't kicked the habit?
They only attacked Ed because it is their job as the guards of the 5th Lab.
Do you remember what happen after the younger brother suicided? The older brother said (It's been a while since I saw this. It is likely different in the dub. What did the dub version say?) 'Wait for me, bro... I have a promise to keep, then I shall join you...'

The older brother promised Ed that he will guide him around the 5th Laboratory if Ed could defeat them in battle. He keeps his promises, a surprisingly honourable behaviour for a supposed serial killer. Since he plans to die and follow his brother, this is not a choice he made out of fear. There is no sign to suggest either brother actually enjoyed killing. If they did once, the loss of their flesh and years of imprisonment within cold steel might have mellowed them.
................

As for Ed's reasoning for freeing the Brothers, I believe he came to the same conclusion as I did. That whatever the Brothers did, they had suffered enough to have already died once. They also obviously were sorry, and isn't interested in being free. If they haven't killed the habit, as you said, they would have loved the chance to access a full world full of fresh victims.

Up to this point, Ed is still a child mentally. Killing a human intentionally is uncomfortable for him... so far.

He knows the 5th Lab is dodgy, and that the government could not be trusted. In many ways, perhaps he consider the Slicer Brothers safer in society right now than some state alchemists...

Which reminds me. Remember that 'boom!' Alchemist that makes alchemical-explosives out of 'interesting' ingredients? Yup, the former Crimson Alchemist Kimblee is infact with the rest of the inmates DIRECTLY ABOVE the transmutation room for the Ph-stone.

If there is any character you are going to absolutley detest in FMA, Chosen Raven, Kimblee is the one.

By the way, Ed thinks he would only have to make the stone using the red water already present in the room and the one above it. He has no idea there are a few dozen live humans involved too:evil: (They are inmates, but still... would the fact that any number of them are killers make their cruel fate any more palatable for you?)

Are some human lives more valuble than others? Or are they absolutely equal?
Human life is so readily created, is in excessive quantity in the world, and so easily snuffed... Yet each one could not ever be replaced. Few other things are as cheap and priceless in the same time...

[NewLib]

I think you meant Ed, not Al, but Ed was very close to attacking Tucker, but what would that accomplish? Ed came to the fifth Lab to learn information.

May I ask what's complicated? You can't say there are loose-ends until the series finishes. True, that there are a lot questions that still need answering at this point, but we're only on episode 21 of a 51 episode series, there's a lot to go.
Yeah I did mean Ed and it would of accomplished nothing. But that never stopped Ed before.

Uh.. the entire plot is very complicated. I mean I'll give the series a chance to tie up the ends, but I am just finding it unlikely it does so.

As for Poncho, an example of the first. The most perfect example is not an anime but The Godfather (though there are anime examples). The plot is fairly consistant but what changes are the characters. The story is basically a telling of the metamorphisis of Michael Corleone. I think a better way to say it is. I like character driven stories, not so much plot driven stories. Its just a matter of preference.

[Riza Hawkeye]

I sorta see where he is coming from: the plot does have a lot of threads to follow. Whether or not they stay loose is another matter entirely: it'll all come together...more or less...eventually. I think :p(seen up to ep 40) Episode 40? You haven't seen anything yet then, trust me. Having seen the entire series, everything is more or less resolved expect for a few things (that I won't mention here) that will resolved in the movie (from what I know about the movie already).

[shany94a]

The Tucker subplot threw me - I thought that part of Ed's life was definitely over and there was nothing he could do to reconcile it, but will Nina keep coming back to haunt him and Al the rest of this series?

[poncho]

Uh.. the entire plot is very complicated. I mean I'll give the series a chance to tie up the ends, but I am just finding it unlikely it does so.
Yes, the plot is quite complicated, but don't worry, it's not too bad at all by the end. There's only one or two plot threads left dangling, and they appear to have been intentionally left over for the movie.

EDIT: ... and I appear to have just parroted Riza. :D

As for Poncho, an example of the first. The most perfect example is not an anime but The Godfather (though there are anime examples). The plot is fairly consistant but what changes are the characters. The story is basically a telling of the metamorphisis of Michael Corleone. I think a better way to say it is. I like character driven stories, not so much plot driven stories. Its just a matter of preference. I guess it is. :)

[Funkatron]

Episode 40? You haven't seen anything yet then, trust me. Having seen the entire series, everything is more or less resolved expect for a few things (that I won't mention here) that will resolved in the movie (from what I know about the movie already).
Lucky, lucky girl :p
I stopped intentionally at 40 so I can get ready and watch it on R1 DVD. Took amonth for the withdrawal symptoms to dwindle :p

[Riza Hawkeye]

Yeah I did mean Ed and it would of accomplished nothing. But that never stopped Ed before.

Uh.. the entire plot is very complicated. I mean I'll give the series a chance to tie up the ends, but I am just finding it unlikely it does so. I'll break this down then:

Main plot - Ed and Al on the journey to accomplish their goals.
Subplot - The Homonculus. Subplot to the subplot - their connection to the Philosopher's Stone
Subplot - The Military.
Subplot - The Ishbal massacre. Subplot to the subplot - Scar's past.
EDIT: Subplot - Lior
(very) Minor subplot - Tucker

[poncho]

He knows the 5th Lab is dodgy, and that the government could not be trusted. In many ways, perhaps he consider the Slicer Brothers safer in society right now than some state alchemists...
Methinks you're giving Ed far too much credit. His childish self-centeredness is one of his more obvious traits, and while maybe he's just starting to grow out of it at this point, it's still there big time. He just wants to set them free because he now "knows" them, and feels queasy about the idea of their deaths being on his hands. :sad:

[David Lucas]

Pardon me but, what the frikin hell are you talking about?!?!?! read my whole post...now its time for a Napolean moment...GOSH FRIKIN IDIOT :p
I apologize for my misconception, you are correct, I did NOT read the first statement.

I kinda wish that was what he was gonna tell Al, that would have made more sense. Look, I'm not going to ruin the question for any of you, but don't give your hopes up for some super huge revelation.

It was a dumb question that he asked Al, and brought an end to an extremely philisophical debate with next to nothing. Seriously, it's the only gripe I had with this entire series. The. Only. One. I mean, it works, don't get me wrong. But these guys are incredible, I'm just surprised they chose the question to be so anticlimactic.

I almost kinda wish they change what Ed asks Al in the English dub to make something better.

At any rate, sorry for not readin your whole post Zecs. And if anyone feels what I've posted here still kinda gives away too much, let me know and I'll put it in a spoiler box or just edit it.

[Funkatron]

I'll break this down then:

Main plot - Ed and Al on the journey to accomplish their goals.
Subplot - The Homonculus. Subplot to the subplot - their connection to the Philosopher's Stone
SubPlot - The Military.
SubPlot - The Ishbal massacre. Subplot to the subplot - Scar's past.
(very) Minor subplot - Tucker
Tucker could be considered part of the Homonculus subplot

[Riza Hawkeye]

Yes, the plot is quite complicated, but don't worry, it's not too bad at all by the end. There's only one or two plot threads left dangling, and they appear to have been intentionally left over for the movie.

EDIT: ... and I appear to have just parroted Riza. :D You know what they say about great minds ;)

Lucky, lucky girl :p
I stopped intentionally at 40 so I can get ready and watch it on R1 DVD. Took me amonth for the withdrawal symptoms to dwindle :p I know I am :p

And I put Tucker in his own subplot because in reality he could go under the military one or the homonculus because works with Greed for a time, but he ends up getting used by the military again. In my eyes he works as his own subplot because by the end he's around for himself only. You'll see...

[Vallen Valiant]

Yeah I did mean Ed and it would of accomplished nothing. But that never stopped Ed before.

Uh.. the entire plot is very complicated. I mean I'll give the series a chance to tie up the ends, but I am just finding it unlikely it does so.

As for Poncho, an example of the first. The most perfect example is not an anime but The Godfather (though there are anime examples). The plot is fairly consistant but what changes are the characters. The story is basically a telling of the metamorphisis of Michael Corleone. I think a better way to say it is. I like character driven stories, not so much plot driven stories. Its just a matter of preference.
First point: You will be surprised how much 'filler' weren't filler at all in FMA... Other than Psiren, there are NO characters or plots that are thrown away...

2nd: The show has 30 episodes to go, + the Movie... Since there are no actual fillers since Psiren, FMA holds a lot more story in 30 episodes than most shows. Feel free to think they can't succeed in wrapping things up, but remember to gloat about how right you are after this show finishes... In fact, I will be asking your new views then. We will see.

3rd: I think you are worried about how Ed and Al aren't direct involved personally with the people they are conflicting... Trust me, soon you won't be able to tell if the episodes are character-oriented or plot-oriented... They can, and do seamlessly meld together.

The FMA story, like most anime, has its plot sub-divided into 12-13 episode season blocks. You are watching the second season, so don't be surprised if the flow of the story changes dramaticly near ep 25, and again near 37...

Many Anime changes its story telling mode after the 'honeymoon period'. Since the world of FMA is dramaticly different from our own, it takes more time to flesh out the background. (In comparison, The Godfather is more down-to-earth, since it is not scifi-fantasy.)

Rest assured, though I can't promise you that it would be to your personal taste in the end, FMA is a show of the highest quality. You might not love it, but you won't be able to claim it to be a badly made by any stretch of the imagination.

[Funkatron]

You know what they say about great minds ;)

I know I am :p

And I put Tucker in his own subplot because in reality he could go under the military one or the homonculus because works with Greed for a time, but he ends up getting used by the military again. In my eyes he works as his own subplot because by the end he's around for himself only. You'll see...
Good point.

[Timmay]

No matter what you say.. at the end of episode 50 you'll be gasping for breath.

[Riza Hawkeye]

No matter what you say.. at the end of episode 50 you'll be gasping for breath. Even though I would rather not talk about an episode so far in the future...

Note - Do NOT read my comment here without have watched the episode yourself:
My jaw seriously dropped at the end of that episode; I mean I was honestly in shocked. I said, "Oh my God...oh my God...", and that was about all I could manage to say. My parents thought I was crazy.

I went back and edited my small plot outline, as well, after some thinking.

[Taco Addict]

Although... When did the show suggest the Brothers haven't kicked the habit?
They only attacked Ed because it is their job as the guards of the 5th Lab.
Do you remember what happen after the younger brother suicided? The older brother said (It's been a while since I saw this. It is likely different in the dub. What did the dub version say?) 'Wait for me, bro... I have a promise to keep, then I shall join you...' I believe that you could possibly have a point there. However, You seem to think that every single serial killer has to be a complete loose cannon like Barry is. That fact is that when it comes to real serial killers, they are quite often pretty stable and normal. Quite often in the cases the people that were either close to the killer or were the killer's neighbors would often say "They were the last person i expected to do something like this." So quite often a serial killer can appear quite honourable, or calm and collected.

Also, often a serial killer's problem generally comes from deep mental/emotional scarring, and they generally cant simply "kick the habit" of killing people. They are not killing because they like killing, they are killing because there is some deep rooted problem within them that lead them down the path of murder.

Finally, they went so easily, because they had realized the inevitable. They would either be stuck there for eternity, or be brought back to life only to be killed again. A couple paths that neither I nor I'm sure they would want to move along with.

[Timmay]

Seriously seriously seriously, you don't want to read this if you haven't seen 50. I will not be responsible if you choose to read it anyways.
Spoiler removed! Edit it, we didn't need to discuss the CONTENT of the episode just that it SHOCKED us... and this is a bad start for your 5th post..

[Riza Hawkeye]

See, I said I was leery about talking about an episode so far in the future. It only brings up questions and major spoilers.

wakuchan, a good tip about posting spoilers is even if you post them in a spoiler box and give a warning which you did...there are still people that ignore that and read the spoilers. I do it myself on occasion, so I should know. Some spoilers are too big to post, IMO, even in spoiler boxes.

[silvanoir]

All I can think is those kids are going to need a lot of therapy. While Al is questioning his existance, Ed seems to be heading down a much more dangerous path... I don't like where it's headed. :crying:

I get the feeling Ed's being manipulated. Just from the way the Tucker told him no ordinary alchemist could do this... seems like baiting him. But who wants Ed messing with the philospher's stone and why? I don't know. It's things Lust has hinted at too. Like others, I think Lust was Scar's brother's girlfriend that he tried to bring back after she died but the experiment went very, very wrong.

Hmmm... I wouldn't mess with the stone, from the way it has destroyed lives, cities, poisioned children, needs flesh to make it... those would be big red flags for me to stay away. I know he wants badly to restore his brother, but there has to be some other way. Too bad this show doesn't connect with the show after it (Gits) because then they cold put Al's spirit into a more human looking "shell".

[Paul_Cousins]

All I can think is those kids are going to need a lot of therapy. While Al is questioning his existance, Ed seems to be heading down a much more dangerous path... I don't like where it's headed. :crying:

2. I get the feeling Ed's being manipulated. Just from the way the Tucker told him no ordinary alchemist could do this... seems like baiting him. But who wants Ed messing with the philospher's stone and why? I don't know. It's things Lust has hinted at too.

3. Like others, I think Lust was Scar's brother's girlfriend that he tried to bring back after she died but the experiment went very, very wrong.

Hmmm... I wouldn't mess with the stone, from the way it has destroyed lives, cities, poisioned children, needs flesh to make it... those would be big red flags for me to stay away.

4. I know he wants badly to restore his brother, but there has to be some other way. Too bad this show doesn't connect with the show after it (Gits) because then they cold put Al's spirit into a more human looking "shell".1. I agree.

2. I'm wondering how Scar's right arm will react to that much of the red liquid stones in that room.

We already saw how one of those red stones reacted to Scar's right arm, causing him a LOT of pain and there's like 10,000 times that much in that room.

That's gonna hurt... :sweat:

And this is NOT a spoiler because I have not seem any newer episode of FMA except for what comes on Adult Swim.

3. I think so too. But I think Tucker has reclaimed some of his sanity in the last three years since we saw him.

4. To be honest, that idea has crossed my mind a few times too. It would make a nice fanfic. :cool:

[adoptedBatpuppy]

This episode was hard to handle, it brung up many good points, and old enemies. Which brings me to this question.
Is Lust and Gluttony Chimeras? Fake Humans? :confused: What info is Ed hiding from Al? Is he afraid Al would not be able to handle it.

[Funkatron]

This episode was hard to handle, it brung up many good points, and old enemies. Which brings me to this question.
Is Lust and Gluttony Chimeras? Fake Humans? :confused: What info is Ed hiding from Al? Is he afraid Al would not be able to handle it.
As Scar called them in this ep(and I think a previous one), they are Homuculi

[Malex]

I wonder who they (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap180.jpg) are? :pIt's the guys from the third opening! Well, some of them were in the opening. All this time my brother and I thought they were sins.

Anyways, Mr. Italian Shoes has finally been released. My brother and I call Greed that because "only italian shoes can make a dust cloud as big as Greed made it." It may be stupid, but it's quaint. Well, I guess that Tucker's return was very surprising yet could be seen. Tucker was taken into Gran's custody and was said to have been executed. Convicts were said to be executed while being sent to the 5th Lab run by Gran and everything fits. I liked Scar backstory, but did not like his tattooed, naked brother babbling about the Philosopher's Stone. Well, at least we have seen most of the sins. Thanks to spoilers, I know that there are a few sins who have not shown their sinfulness, but I will not say whom. I'm just waiting the little boy. That's enough I'll say about those guys. Well, I should try to post more often. I think I last time I was here was at Flame vs. Fullmetal. Whatever, peace!

[iXneonXi]

yes, i hope i'm not giving it away.

[Chosen Raven]

Although... When did the show suggest the Brothers haven't kicked the habit?
They only attacked Ed because it is their job as the guards of the 5th Lab.

After watching this episode and the one before it again, I can say with full confidence that the younger Slicer brother was still a serial-killer. The guy was almost as nuts as Barry(almost). If he hasn't changed, his brother probably hasn't either. Remember, they were killing anyone who strayed into the lab. It may have been their jobs as guards, but what was their incentive? I believe it was that this job allowed them to keep feeding their hunger for murder.

The elder slicer brother said they were masked serial killers, so their killings wouldn't have been military. More proof of that is the fact that one of the brothers said the newspapers talked about them. I don't think a military dictatorship would allow their country's papers to portray a military opperation in a bad light.

He has no idea there are a few dozen live humans involved too:evil: (They are inmates, but still... would the fact that any number of them are killers make their cruel fate any more palatable for you?)

I admit, it does make it more palatable. It's harder to have sympathy for someone who knowingly kills innocent people, than for innocent people themselves. Do I think experimenting on them was right? No way in heck.

Are some human lives more valuble than others? Or are they absolutely equal?

It is my belief that, depending on their actions, some lives are more valuble than others. If say, someone like Barry the Chopper was coming at me, butcher knife a waving, I would consider his life worth nil and take him down....y'know, if I had a weapon.

[Artimus Gigan]

Well after watching this episode, I went out and bought FMA Vol.1 Starter Set...I figured 50 episodes, around 10 DVDs...Twelve Kingdoms was 10 volumes



I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY CAPITALISM!!!

[Swordfish_II]

13 DVDs.

[Artimus Gigan]

13 DVDs.How are they going to fit them equaly into boxes then? One will be bigger than the other...

[Ultra8]

So the guy in the pink room was Greed, and from the looks of it the other sins are very afraid of him. Most be powerfull if hard-to-kills like them are worried.:evil:
We see Scar's past, witness the return of Tucker and Nina, Al and Scar VS. Lust and Gluttony, meet that psyco alchemist from the Ishbal Masacre, and bid farewell to the younger Slicer brother.

10/10

So much stuff it's like being in a philosphy class.:D

[Artimus Gigan]

So much stuff it's like being in a philosphy class.:DYou have no idea what an actual philosophy class is like then...

BRAIN MERDER....

Morso all that this episode did is just reveal the BG info on a few characters...I really wished that they'd hurry up and get to Al's reaction when he finds out the truth....

[Swordfish_II]

How are they going to fit them equaly into boxes then? One will be bigger than the other... They'll be two more boxes, each capable of holding four discs.

[lostrune]

1. "I kill, therefore I am" Barry, Barry, that's how you just got yourself in trouble with Scar. :sweat:

2. So, Greed is 130 yrs imprisoned? And even Lust is scared. :ack:

3. So, Kimley the bomber alchemist turned criminal? :shrug:

4. Don't these state prison guards know that Gran is dead? :confused:

5. Whoa, Tucker.... :eek:

6. So, when will Scar finish blurting it all out about Lust and his sister-in-law? :yawn:

7. So, Scar's bro was using the people of Ishbal to bring back his wife, kinda like the Elric bros with their mom? :o

7b. And so, if that fiasco turned into Lust, what did the Elrics' fiasco turn into? ;)

[Riza Hawkeye]

3. So, Kimley the bomber alchemist turned criminal? :shrug:
Don't tell me you didn't see that coming? I don't know what dub had the guards say, but in the original the guard said, "Kimblee...the mad bomber who blew up friend and foe alike..."

6. So, when will Scar finish blurting it all out about Lust and his sister-in-law? :yawn: Perhaps he doesn't fully know himself ;)

[Funkatron]

Don't tell me you didn't see that coming? I don't know what dub had the guards say, but in the original the guard said, "Kimblee...the mad bomber who blew up friend and foe alike..."

Perhaps he doesn't fully know himself ;)
They something to line of him blowing up the enemy and some of thiers as well.

[Riza Hawkeye]

They something to line of him blowing up the enemy and some of thiers as well.
Hmm, that seems like a good translation, I guess I'll hear for myself Thrusday night. I really can't wait for the replay; the no replay on Saturday really annoyed me.

[Artimus Gigan]

They'll be two more boxes, each capable of holding four discs.What else do these boxes come with(besides the DVDS?)

are they gonna have the OSTs with them as well?

[Riza Hawkeye]

What else do these boxes come with(besides the DVDS?)

are they gonna have the OSTs with them as well? That's unknown as of yet. We'll probably know in a few months what the second box has as an extra.

[Youko Recca]

The pimp is free. I also didn't realize/remember it happens like this. Yeah alot is done alright, Tucker's back, Envy settings, Lust and Gluttony meeting with Alphonse and Scar, the works. Greed's voice is just another shred of evidence to how succesfull this dub is. Almost a perfect choice. Alright, I've damn near forgotten everything that happens exactly around this time so I'll see.

[Riza Hawkeye]

The pimp is free. I also didn't realize/remember it happens like this. Yeah alot is done alright, Tucker's back, Envy settings, Lust and Gluttony meeting with Alphonse and Scar, the works. Greed's voice is just another shred of evidence to how succesfull this dub is. Almost a perfect choice. Alright, I've damn near forgotten everything that happens exactly around this time so I'll see. Wow, Youko where've you been? Oh, and this episode starts the none-stop goodness of FMA, IMO. Though arguible, that started with the first episode ;)

[Funkatron]

Wow, Youko where've you been? Oh, and this episode starts the none-stop goodness of FMA, IMO. Though arguible, that started with the first episode ;)I agree. This is basiaclly where it really comes on and it doesn't really stop untill the last ep. Though I haven't seen the last 10 eps:p

[Riza Hawkeye]

I finally was able to see this episode. I thought Aaron's (Al's VA) proformace was subpar for this episode, though. He should have been more emotional with Barry at the beginning of the episode. Chris did Greed well, he had his laugh down. I hoped Kimblee would have sounded more crazy, but he did alright. Umm, I think that's it...except I can't wait for the next episode, it has some very good moments, I love the ending.

@Funkatron, you'll love the last ten episodes when you can finally see them, I promise ;)

[Demon Child]

I also have just seen the episode. Too many things are going through my mind....Tucker looks freaky, Greed is free, and Nina. I really want to see Nina's Chimera-look-alike. I wasn't paying close enough attention. Anyone have a screenie?

[Riza Hawkeye]

I also have just seen the episode. Too many things are going through my mind....Tucker looks freaky, Greed is free, and Nina. I really want to see Nina's Chimera-look-alike. I wasn't paying close enough attention. Anyone have a screenie? Her feet (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap203.jpg)
Her body (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap204.jpg) (of a less human looking chimera)
Her head (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap202.jpg) (that goes along with the feet pic)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap202.jpg)

[Demon Child]

Her feet (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap203.jpg)
Her body (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap204.jpg) (of a less human looking chimera)
Her head (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap202.jpg) (that goes along with the feet pic)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap202.jpg) Thankyou so much! Poor Nina...I sorta cried when she was killed. I never expected to see Tucker and her again.

[The Koopinator]

This may be a stretch, but I infer from this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap188.jpg) that Scar's bro lost his... balls? Either way, this was a good episode. The Tuckermera, the room, the Slicer suiciding, Scar's brother's backstory.

Also..
I too, have fallen fate to learning the SUPER SPOILER from episode 25. Well, it was less sad than what I thought it would be.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Also..
I too, have fallen fate to learning the SUPER TRADGEDY in episode 25. Well, it was less sad than what I thought it would be. Anyone who hasn't seen the series needs to stay far away from the GameFAQ forums. (and from reading the rest of this post)
another person *shakes head at poorly monitored forums* I will tell you one thing, knowing about it and seeing it happen are two very different things though. I hope the emotion is conveyed as well in the dub. I can't imagine anyone not sheding a tear by the end of that episode.

[shoujoaifan]

This may be a stretch, but I infer from this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/RizaHawkeye/bscap188.jpg) that Scar's bro lost his... balls?I'll have to rewatch that, but wasn't the alchemical reaction light shining right before Scar reached the building? Would he have had any time to bandage himself up? In ANY case, he's acting pretty calm for a guy who lost part of himself. Even after the horror that it didn't work out, he should be cringing in pain and lack of blood. Oh, silly anime characters and their survivng massive amounts of blood with no death :D

One more day, one more day, one more....

[Trip]

Just thought I'd point something out after rewatching this episode earlier.

When Lust is talking about Envy releasing the prisoners she mentions that he's gathering the ingredients... something I hadn't noticed the first time.

[Vallen Valiant]

Just thought I'd point something out after rewatching this episode earlier.

When Lust is talking about Envy releasing the prisoners she mentions that he's gathering the ingredients... something I hadn't noticed the first time.
And since what Envy actually did was to inspect the prisoners...

I think everyone can put two and two together now.

[Funkatron]

Someone really needs toput the episode numbers in the thread title or something. What episode are we on now? :p

ah, yes, episode 25
Man, what a shock. No, I won't tell you what happens

[Riza Hawkeye]

I'll have to rewatch that, but wasn't the alchemical reaction light shining right before Scar reached the building? No, that wasn't shown. When the flashback started we were given an image of Ishbal from overhead, followed by Scar knocking on the door.

And this would be episode 21, Funkatron ;)

[Funkatron]

No, that wasn't shown. When the flashback started we were given an image of Ishbal from overhead, followed by Scar knocking on the door.

And this would be episode 21, Funkatron ;) Thank you, lovely Riza-chan

4 more eps till "that"

*loves torturing newbies with non-hints :p*

[Riza Hawkeye]

Thank you, lovely Riza-chan You're welcome ;)

4 more eps till "that"

*loves torturing newbies with non-hints :p* Ha, yeah...and I can't wait until the final ten episodes when you'll be in the dark too :p

[Demon Child]

Will adult swim show the whole series?

I think I had the end of the series spoiled for me at another board :crying:

[Artimus Gigan]

Ha, yeah...and I can't wait until the final ten episodes when you'll be in the dark too :pDon't brag to everyone about knowing how it ends and then not telling anyone

because if you won't tell...I will...

:ack:
Hell, I'll even dedicate one entire thread about spoilers (with pictures) to the entire series, much like I've done many moons before...

[Timmay]

It'd make you cry to hear how it ends, because you would be spoiled one of the greatest endings ever.

We do it for your own good!

[Riza Hawkeye]

Don't brag to everyone about knowing how it ends and then not telling anyone

because if you won't tell...I will...

:ack:
Hell, I'll even dedicate one entire thread about spoilers (with pictures) to the entire series, much like I've done many moons before... I wasn't bragging, just about every who comes into this thread knows I've seen the entire thing, and I'm not the only one who has either. I was just teasing Funkatron because I knew he hadn't seen the final ten episodes. :shrug:

[Funkatron]

I wasn't bragging, just about every who comes into this thread knows I've seen the entire thing, and I'm not the only one who has either. I was just teasing Funkatron because I knew he hadn't seen the final ten episodes. :shrug:
Tease :p

[Artimus Gigan]

It'd make you cry to hear how it ends, because you would be spoiled one of the greatest endings ever.

We do it for your own good!I've seen the entire series...

AND I AM PERFECTLY WILLING TO SPOIL

[Perfect Cell]

Dont post spoilers please ;)

btw todays episode rocked, but ive said that pretty much with every episode.

[Riza Hawkeye]

Tease :p Don't be getting too excited over there ;)