Was 2004 really a bad year for CN?...

[Rover_Wow]

I mean think about it:
- They cancelled fan favorite Samurai Jack.
- They nipped another fan fave in the bud, Party Wagon.
- Their logo of 12 years was relegated to programme endcaps.
- They aired Atomic Betty.
- They started acquiring shows from non-Warner sources, like Spies and Turtles.

Sounds like it... then again, last year did bring us Foster's.

[Wanted]

I mean think about it:
- They cancelled fan favorite Samurai Jack.
- They nipped another fan fave in the bud, Party Wagon.
- Their logo of 12 years was relegated to programme endcaps.
- They aired Atomic Betty.
- They started acquiring shows from non-Warner sources, like Spies and Turtles.

Sounds like it... then again, last year did bring us Foster's.And, you're talking about some of the good things that happened in 2004.

Of course, it's always good to acquire shows from "non-Warner sources," even though they've been doing that for a long while. And, Totally Spies! was acquired in 2003.

Atomic Betty is one of my favorites, so I cannot side with you.

The original logo leaving, well, wasn't such a good thing. It was more versatile, and smaller for screenplay. But, at least we know that the new logo isn't good enough for DVD covers...

Never saw Party Wagon, and missed nearly half of Samurai Jack.

[One Radical Dude]

For the most part, I'm gonna have to say that it wasn't a bad year for Cartoon Network. True, Samurai Jack did end cease production, and I got into the series late. At the same time, however, I've been watching more CN now than I did a year or so ago, and some of the newer shows (even some that aren't Time Warner shows)...I really enjoy. Foster's was introduced last year, and that's a big plus for me. I welcomed the new logo and the new look for the network. So, yeah, some things weren't good, but other things weren't bad, either.

[CookieS]

Ok, let's get this straight...not all change is bad. They needed to change and did so very well. The new logo is well-loved, while some of their programming is debtable, its not garbage. I think the network is just trying some new things and it will eventually even out.

[Red]

Not really.

Everybody basically knew about SJ since 03, just nothing confirmed.

All Party Wagon was, is a pilot. And it just didnt work out. Like most pilots.

The Logo Change was one of the best things that has happened to the network. It was so...unorganized. Now it is. And the bumpers are awesome.

And Spies and Turtles have been good for CN. Especially Spies.

I really dont see how it was a bad year. I thought this was one of its best years with not thinking of classics since thats Boomerang.

[Ultra Mike]

2004 was a big year for Cartoon Network. It's the year when CN realized that the pressures of trying to be different and unique weren't working as much as what the other networks were doing and took a new look to reflect this move. With it's shows in super repeat mode and the 3 Break policy in affect, CN is talking down to the 2-11 year old market, and it's working bigtime. The ratings have never been higher, even though it feels like part of CN's original soul is forever gone.

They cancelled fan favorite Samurai Jack.
Sadly the kid ratings for SJ weren't high enough to be on anymore. Truthfully, it may as well have been cancelled in 2003, since that's when production stopped for the show. It was just offical in 04.

They nipped another fan fave in the bud, Party Wagon.Uh, Party Wagon wasn't really that popular... at all. I mean, for the limited amount of showings it got and how not even much of deal for another movie (not to mention a series) wasn't really considred, it wasn't that big a loss. I did like PW but I think it would of worked best as the one special it got anyway.

Their logo of 12 years was relegated to programme endcaps.As I said before, part of the policy of trying to compete more with the other networks. Which is sad really, but I guess needed.

They aired Atomic Betty.I didn't like it much either, but AB was put on to increase girl ratings for the network, which it helped do. Not to mention that the Totally Atomic Block is a nice counterbalance to Fox's LOL Sunday and the like, at least for the female 2-11 year old bracket at least.

They started acquiring shows from non-Warner sources, like Spies and Turtles.So, it's not like they haven't done that with other shows in the past. Besides, Spies was a ratings hit for CN and the Turtles... well they just weren't up to the "now we're aiming too high" Miguzi standards of ratings sadly enough.

[Batman91]

2004 had it ups and downs

The new logo and bumps helped it fit in with the other networks

SJ is a great show but didn't help in the ratings so it got cancelled

Totally Atomic(which I despise both Atomic Betty and Totally Spies)helped to bring girls to CN and good ratings

Fosters was a huge success and is now a valuble fridays cartoon

So all this helped bring in great ratings for the network

[ktoriyama]

2005 must be craptacular for CN as they have acquired a show far worse that AB, dare I say its name outloud. Yes, but only once, they acquired The Batman, run for cover cause its gonna stink.

Dunno I wouldn't call 2004 a spectacular year, but by no means was it a bad one.

[CyberCartoon]

Hated the new logo and mostly liked the old cartoon network.

[Daikun]

They cancelled fan favorite Samurai Jack.
No. The original deal was 52 episodes from the beginning. CN let it run to the end, and they even premiered the final 4 episodes in a special with fan-favorite Star Wars: Clone Wars. Also, there's that rumor floating around that there might be a movie to conclude the whole series. That is not a bad thing.

They nipped another fan fave in the bud, Party Wagon.
Like everyone else has stated, it's just a pilot. And this is not a bad thing, either. It has been delayed countless times since it was first scheduled for a premiere in 2002, and they finally got around to airing it.

Their logo of 12 years was relegated to programme endcaps.
It's still a checkerboard, though. I really don't see why people make a big deal about this. It's just a logo, people.

They started acquiring shows from non-Warner sources, like Spies and Turtles.
Totally Spies started airing in 2003. Wrong year, pal. And TMNT is one of the few watchable shows on both 4KidsTV and Miguzi.

Also, what's wrong with acquiring shows outside of Time-Warner? CN has been doing that for years, even before T-W acquired Turner. FUNimation, Bandai, Sony... Partnerships give you more programming and content, which translates to good business.

[Batman91]

[QUOTE=ktoriyama]2005 must be craptacular for CN as they have acquired a show far worse that AB, dare I say its name outloud. Yes, but only once, they acquired The Batman, run for cover cause its gonna stink.

Please tell me your kidding because I've seen the Batman and the Batman is ten times better at least than Atomic Betty IMO.

[Fan of Sponge]

Well first off they revaped CN I mean seeing the boring bumpers that were made in the 20th century were starting to get boring. I mean it's the 21st century they needed an upgrade. Atomic Betty, Totally Spies, and Code: Lyoko were great additions to CN. Emphasis on newer toons than classic ones from the 50's to early 90's intensified as most of the old cartoons ended up going on Boomerang (coming to a cable outlet near you...I hope). I mean kids today want something new and edgey like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and Hi Hi PuffyAmiUmi. Billy and Mandy continues to compete with EEnE for being the number one toon as its amination and writing improved Adult Swim got more airtime as it continues to grow and helped make Family Guy get another season on FOX.

However, I was not impressed with overrunning of Static and Ozzy. Toonami being moved to Saturday nights. A lack of Anime in the daytime made me rethink that Anime is right now underground like hip-hop and rap in the 80's. Moving some of the old Cartoon Cartoons was neglection of CN classic days. Oh well there will be things that I object on CN, but still CN is not as bad as Nick which uses all of its resources on Nicktoons and Jamie Spears.

[TheGLIVEN]

Why does everyone like the nex CN logo?

I like ye' old one better.

[CookieS]

Why don't YOU like it? I think its graphically consise and still keeps in the theme of the old logo. Plus I love how it animates (check out the roll-over on the CN homepage. Its virually pops into place).

The shift in 2004 brought a focus strongly into developing CN into a network with great programming. They realized that producing ALL of the programming is something they can't (or don't have to) do. Picking up new shows and using them as a spotlight program works just the same!

I think most people don't like the change the network took because it pulled the rug out from under long-time fans because the network doesn't pay hommage to the classic stuff as it did before. With Boomerang in such limited showings (its your local cable providers' fault, not CN), it has a lot of retro toon geeks up in arms. I can't blame them one bit though.

[One Radical Dude]

Yeah, what's wrong with people that like the new logo? Things change, man, whether you love it or not. I'm not disturbed by folks that love the classic logo.

[Rover_Wow]

All Party Wagon was, is a pilot. And it just didnt work out. Like most pilots.

But on CN, PW is the only CN telefilm not based on, or turned into, a series. And, when it was first announced, PW was announced as a series. Craig got shortchanged, pretty much.

[Jon Hanson]

It had it's ups, it had it's downs, but every decision you listed there ended up helping CN out in the long run, ratings wise.

[rami]

2004 was bad but 2005 will b wxtremely better on toonami atleast with the great anime naruto pic (http://http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:aOpnOKGmGw4J:www.naruto-kun.com/gallery/Calendar%2520Art/Calendar%2520Art/(Naruto-kun.Com)Calendar-7.jpg)

[Wanted]

If you're going to use the same amount of letters, do it right. And, tell us, why was 2004 "bad"? If you can't back your opinion, then it is erroneous.

But, yes, although it took some time to get used to it, the new logo is nice once you get to know it. It epitomizes all of the shows wonderfully, and matches nicely with the on-air bumpers (which, I might add, are awesome).

And, we just have to face the facts now. Cartoon Network is out for ratings. Ratings makes money. And money makes fans happy (if you know what I mean). More chances for the network to get products out to us.

Oh, and welcome, Daikun.

[Jave]

But on CN, PW is the only CN telefilm not based on, or turned into, a series. And, when it was first announced, PW was announced as a series. Craig got shortchanged, pretty much.It wasn't announced as a series, IIRC.

[Fone Bone]

No. The original deal was 52 episodes from the beginning. CN let it run to the end, and they even premiered the final 4 episodes in a special with fan-favorite Star Wars: Clone Wars. Also, there's that rumor floating around that there might be a movie to conclude the whole series. That is not a bad thing.

.Where have you heard this rumor? This is VERY good news if it happens. I keep looking for sources on this but no-one seems to know the answer.

[Jave]

Where have you heard this rumor? This is VERY good news if it happens. I keep looking for sources on this but no-one seems to know the answer.It's what Genndy wanted. Apparently, CN didn't greenlight it.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Its not CN fault Jack did not have an ending, its Gwendy's fault for exepting CN to let him make a movie for a not really popular show.

[ktoriyama]

CN did not give the show a fair chance. I'll bet if they had to settle down and market it right, let Gennedy produce it the way he wanted and give it a permenant timeslot, it would have done alright. Instead it was suppose to be a pre-school, tween, teenager, adult and any other demographic you can think of show. Which didn't work.

[One Radical Dude]

I don't really blame Tartakovsky nor CN. The ratings said it all. Why keep it on the air if the ratings weren't good enough? As for CN giving it a chance, I remember it being aired plenty (especially during weeknights). If that's not giving it a chance, then what is?

[Rover_Wow]

It wasn't announced as a series, IIRC.

But he did plan it to be a series to begin with, and announced it as such (okay, at unofficial Hey Arnold! boards).