Anti-Disney screed

[Maxie Zeus]

Whoa. Check out this spittle-emitting denunciation (http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2001/12/01/do0101.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2001/12/01/ixop.html) of all that is Disney. Sample quote:

There is something loathsome about the homogenised, sanitised, reductive sentimentality that is the Disney vision. He has invaded the whole world, commandeered its great myths and turned them into stereotyped, saccharine schlock, and then forced them back on us in their new, soulless form.

I gotta say: I'm definitely on the same wavelength as this writer.

[Karkull]

Damn. And I thought that I had problems with Disney. Sure, the Walt Disney Company has made some crappy films, but people go to see them. What does that say about us?

Actually, some of the "great myths" that Disney has commandeered turned out okay. No story is above being tinkered with for dramatic effect, just so long as people remember that there are earlier versions of them. For example, there are over 900 versions of Cinderella--the earliest (that we know of) dating back to 9th century China.

But, yes, Disney has committed some sins. Like Ray Kroc ("founder" of McDonalds), Disney has obscured the fact that Mickey Mouse was co-created by a man named Ub Iwerks. He also reportedly did very un-Disney like things, like naming names before the House Un-American Activity Committee. His remaining empire is proto-fascist--complete with a secret police (MO5 I believe they're called) patrolling the parks. One of their greatest hits--The Lion King--was ripped off of a Japanese anime film (I forget the name, but the lion cub was named Kimba). And Atlantis sucked.

[joker]

Originally posted by Karkull
. And it's pretty evident that they stole the idea for The Lion King from Japanese anime.
actually if you look at it, lion king is kind of a take on hamlet.

[Twilight]

Yeah, I agree with joker and see The Lion King paralleled to Shakespeare's Hamlet if anything, and simba means lion in Swahili.

[don Jaime]

That would be Kimba the White Lion, sir. And Atlantis was another anime called Nadia. It's hard to ridicule Disney's writing when you consider that they have yet produce to make a 100% original script (Pixar excepted, of course).

[Nightflower]

Originally posted by Karkull
Damn. And I thought that I had problems with Disney. Sure, the Walt Disney Company has made some crappy films, but people go to see them. What does that say about us?


Ahahaha! Who's the bigger idiot now? The idiot who makes the movies or the idiot who sees them?

I didn't know Charlotte's Web (the movie) was made by Disney...

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Nightflower


I didn't know Charlotte's Web (the movie) was made by Disney...

It wasn't. It was by Hanna-Barbera.

Whoopsie on the author's part.

[Nightflower]

Originally posted by Joe Tully


It wasn't. It was by Hanna-Barbera.

Whoopsie on the author's part.

Foolish monkey!

[Danielle]

The author needs to think a bit. He's saying stuff like Disney takes away the imagination of the stories. Now, who remembers Warner Brothers doing that with Harry Potter? I KNOW he said that other studios do that, but he's only picking on Disney. I don't like Disney so much, but the whole "saccharinly-sentimental characters" thing appears in movies other than Disney. (Anastasia is two for two....the goofy love-glances between them was sickening and totally unhuman, and who said Anastasia was ever found?!) The author must realize that if there's a problem with animation, he shouldn't dump it on one studio.

G-d bless anyone who read that whole thing. ;)

[Ricochet]

I draw the line at old, old, old Mickey cartoons, Pepper Ann, and Winnie the Pooh. Any other Disney toon is a mental fishy in a saccahrine sea! :p

[Stinky Cat]

hehe thats funny!

[Karkull]

Originally posted by Ricochet
I draw the line at old, old, old Mickey cartoons, Pepper Ann, and Winnie the Pooh. Any other Disney toon is a mental fishy in a saccahrine sea! :p

Hey, you forgot Gargoyles!

Originally posted by Nightflower
Ahahaha! Who's the bigger idiot now? The idiot who makes the movies or the idiot who sees them?

Well, I've seen my fair share, but I'll bet that you have too. I'll bet that you've even [gasp] liked some of them!

[Stinky Cat]

where do you people find the new archives? like this one and the anti-animie one with the jesus on the pictures?

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by Danielle
The author needs to think a bit. He's saying stuff like Disney takes away the imagination of the stories. Now, who remembers Warner Brothers doing that with Harry Potter? I KNOW he said that other studios do that, but he's only picking on Disney. I don't like Disney so much, but the whole "saccharinly-sentimental characters" thing appears in movies other than Disney. (Anastasia is two for two....the goofy love-glances between them was sickening and totally unhuman, and who said Anastasia was ever found?!) The author must realize that if there's a problem with animation, he shouldn't dump it on one studio.

G-d bless anyone who read that whole thing. ;)

Well, if you did, then you would have seen that SHE didn't just blame Disney animation, but other studios as well. And she contends that Disney's influence rubs off on other studios because they want to be JUST LIKE Disney. Disney started it. Others copied it. And she's right, to a degree.

Would have liked to hear what she thinks of anime, though.

Very Pauline Kaelian rant.

[Fish]

...I just wanted to remind people of The little Mermaid in which in the original tale by H.C Anderson the little mermaid fails to kiss the prince and is turned into White Foam on the ocean...

My grandmother was very upset by the Disney happy ending (did anybody else in here notice how crappy the animation was in the very last scene?)...(well my granma didn't notice that *hehehe*)

<>< F I S H ><>

Ps : did this post make any sense at all...oh well...fudge

[Lodoss War Fan]

Originally posted by Fish
...I just wanted to remind people of The little Mermaid in which in the original tale by H.C Anderson the little mermaid fails to kiss the prince and is turned into White Foam on the ocean...

My grandmother was very upset by the Disney happy ending (did anybody else in here notice how crappy the animation was in the very last scene?)...(well my granma didn't notice that *hehehe*)

<>< F I S H ><>

Ps : did this post make any sense at all...oh well...fudge

It's disney! all it's movies has to have happy endings

[RockItShipper]

Yep... I mentioned this some weeks back: The mythological Hercules killed his wife, Megara, and their kids. But the Disney version had them living happily ever after.

[DR. BELCH]

--the witless yammering over the minister's purported priaprism in the ending, even though Ariel at one point is walking around naked from the waist down...made me a bit leery of watching Pocahantas because Lord knows what could be dangling out from under one of those loincloths.... :p

(Don't worry, Fish...I understood perfectly...every post can't be Shakespeare...and I've mentioned the foam thing before myself....)

Maybe Disney's Othello isn't too far behind...though how they'll get around the murder is beyond me. Maybe, thinking Desdemona is cheating on him, he'll just go through a midlife crisis, fool around with blondes half his age, buy a thirty-G sports car, and get a cheap rug. Oh, and they'll have to change Iago's name, so he won't be confused with the parrot in Aladdin....

[Karkull]

Disney's doing an animated version of Othello? Well, now I've heard everything. I'm sure it will suck just as bad as most of Disney's recent animated films.

(I actually liked Hercules, by the way. Sure, they mangled the myth of the character, but many Greek myths contradict each other anyway. I liked how it was kind of an anti-Disney cartoon, where the love interest was a villain (for part of the time) and that the cute birds and kids were really demons, :). And James Woods was a great Hades--he played him like an evil Genie [from Aladdin]).

[DR. BELCH]

Karkull:
Disney's doing an animated version of Othello? Well, now I've heard everything.
No...that was a reference to a joke made in an earlier post. Someone suggested Disney do the O.J. story, and I said they could just readapt Othello to avoid lawsuits from the Simpson or Goldman families. Still, it'd be interesting to see as a novelty..and if they actually do it I can demand royalties, using this board as evidence that it was my idea first...heh heh...sure, it'd be garbage but it'd be paying garbage..... :D

[Karkull]

I thought that it sounded fishy, but it sounded possible--I mean, Disney hasn't been very up front with their upcoming releases. A few years ago they revealed their slate of films up to two or three years in advance. Now, I just know that Return to Neverland is next.

[RockItShipper]

I heard another fairy tale is some way down the road... but for now... There's some variant on Monsters Inc., Treasure Planet (with Glen Keane animating a Long John Silver with CGI trimmings)...