C&C - Ghost in the Shell - "Missing Hearts" [1/1]

[The Landstander]

<3

[snooze]

Yay! I like this episode a lot.

[snooze]

Mass naked child events!

[PaQ]

haha, what's up with that president of that company. He sure is one weird guy, being in that tiny body and then having that accent that may or may not be fake.. I wonder what the resolution to this case is going to be.

[SirLemming]

Geeze, what's with all the body-choppin' tonight?

A fine episode, just like all the rest. Now everybody sing it with me:
Sheeeee's so cold and huuuu-man
Who you gonna call? Ghost-- err... in the Shell

[Fresh V]

Wait, did she really kill him?!:eek:

[Mr. Pedro]

Another good episode tonight.

I too, noticed something of a theme with tonight's shows and body chopping (although different since FMA dealt with the Norman Bates wannabe and GITS's was more about selling parts for profit). I seriously thought that the Major was gonna go "Psycho" on that poor slob.

Also enjoyed the little bits of weirdness with the man in the can (their words, not mine) and Batou knocking himself out.

[SirLemming]

Wait, did she really kill him?!:eek:No, she stuck the knife in a pipe right above his head. He was perfectly fine in the car with the other guys afterwards.

[Duke]

I couldn't help but laugh from the part where the Major went to get the last perp until the end credits. The way she played with the student's mind and everything, plus the end where she beat Batou (Of course, any scene with Batou in it gets extra points in and of itself), it was friggin awesome. Loved how the Major left the Tachikoma stuck in the metal hallway. :D

Also, I enjoyed the scene where Togusa and the Tachikoma were playing their chess-like game. I like little touches like that.

The only thing I didn't like about the episode was that it seemed as if the Major was drawn weirdly all throughout the episode.

[comstar]

Yup dig this ep. as well. The way she plays with the student is great. Then she wraps it up by hacking Bauto.:D What's not to like. The last bit I'll leave, but I am fond of it.

[Juu-kuchi]

A good episode tonight. We get to see a bit of the Major's personality and nature, and the show continues to entertain. And hey, any episode with Tachikomas is good enough for me. Heh, if past experience with dub voices when it comes to anime characters from the Kansai district is not mistaken, I bet that cube's southern voice may allude to him speaking in a Kansai dialect in the sub. But that's just me.

[PickHut]

The animation in this episode seemed kinda odd at times, Motoko looked really fat in some scenes as she was moving:eek: . I thought it was a decent stand alone episode, most of it just consisted of chasing the guys. Though, it was pretty humorous as to how they handled it. And the ending was funny.

I give Missing Hearts a B.

[Kryptonian]

This case seemed pretty simple for them, as they were able to have a little fun with them. I never saw that coming, when Motoko made Batou punch himself, I thought it was just going to be some short sparring.

And the President being a robot, I was just as shocked as Togusa when he went to shake who he thought was the Presidents hand. Very fun episode A++

[lostrune]

Happy New Year! Please, standalone.

1. Awww... was the little Major actually reminiscing about her kiddie robot past? :o

2. Wow, sure can't miss those big bar codes on those pigs. I wonder how they do those do-it-yourself price-checks? :sweat:

3. Major butt shot! :anime:

4. Heheh, poor, stuck Tachikoma. The Tachikomas are always the butt of the jokes. :D

5. Major vs. Bateau: did the Major hack into Bateau's control system, or did Bateau intentionally hit himself after seeing a rare smile (a common femme cheat tactic) from the Major? ;)


Mass naked child events!
Indeed! The chief said there were lots of that in this ep. :)

[SirLemming]

Motoko looked really fat in some scenes as she was moving:eek: .You're absolutely insane.

[True Noir]

That was a pretty funny episode. Like the major said, those med students were absolute morons if they thought they wouldn't get caught. My favorite part was at the end when Motoko and Batou were going to start fighting. That was pretty cool how she "entered" his mind like that. I never saw that coming. Hm.... now that I think about it. Motoko like women. So that girl at the hospital was obviously a lesbian. So if Motoko changed her female model into a male one, those women wouldn't like her, because she's would be a he. I wonder what would happen then. Yeh, it was just a weird thought that came to mind.


Overall: A

[PickHut]

You're absolutely insane.Well, it's not like I'm going out of my way to make this stuff up:sweat: . It was like a scene or two towards the beginning.

[Tapout]

Hm.... now that I think about it. Motoko like women. So that girl at the hospital was obviously a lesbian. So if Motoko changed her female model into a male one, those women wouldn't like her, because she's would be a he. I wonder what would happen then. Yeh, it was just a weird thought that came to mind.I got the feeling from that exchange that Motoko actually is (was?) a guy in a female model.

[Kagetsu]

Heh, if past experience with dub voices when it comes to anime characters from the Kansai district is not mistaken, I bet that cube's southern voice may allude to him speaking in a Kansai dialect in the sub. But that's just me. I was thinking Osaka, but I haven't any idea how many accents there are across Japan.

It was cute, but how did the Major hack Batou's cyberbrain? he's Section 9, his attack barriers should be top rate.

If the "Jerri's were obsolete, that box had to be an antique.

So that girl at the hospital was obviously a lesbian. I'm fairly sure that was one of the girls se was with in the Laughing man show.
I got the feeling from that exchange that Motoko actually is (was?) a guy in a female model. She played with dolls as a "child"

[Sampo]

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It was cute, but how did the Major hack Batou's cyberbrain? he's Section 9, his attack barriers should be top rate.
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The Major didn't have to hack into his brain... Would you punch a lady with a smile like this? :anime:

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/cute.jpg

I was kinda amazed how Batou could deck himself like that... Ouch. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/ow.jpg)

More stuff up later today, hopefully.

[Kagetsu]

(those were two I was going to be looking for :D)
I was thinking that too, she was just being too cute to hit then suckerpunch him when he dropped his guard. But I'm sure that was a hack, no one hits themselves that hard.

[Artimus Gigan]

I wonder though, how could that "Metal Box Man" well...

do what two people do best?

Seriously a robot body would be cool and all, but really if you can't feel anything, wouldn't that be counter-productive?

[Wilco911]

I wonder though, how could that "Metal Box Man" well...

do what two people do best?

Seriously a robot body would be cool and all, but really if you can't feel anything, wouldn't that be counter-productive?
I bet if he wanted to he could switch bodies with his android assistant, like that exec and the robot Geishas in the first(?) episode.

[comstar]

I got the feeling from that exchange that Motoko actually is (was?) a guy in a female model. If you wan't to know for sure but it may ruin some of the fun. (Scrached at the back of my brain on ocasion for a long time.)She was female, confiremed in GITS:SAC 2nd Gig. But what is the diffrence in the end when your a full cyborg? Only the mentalilty.;)

[BigFire]

If you wan't to know for sure but it may ruin some of the fun. (Scrached at the back of my brain on ocasion for a long time.)She was female, confiremed in GITS:SAC 2nd Gig. But what is the diffrence in the end when your a full cyborg? Only the mentalilty.;)
Also, as confirmed in this episode, when you lose your body at such young age to full cyborg conversion, your psyche doesn't develope normally. That would explain her dressing habit, when the rest of your body is a machine, modesty isn't too much of an issue. (It also helps that she works for someone who prizes results above all else).

[Deadly Messiah]

You know, it was funny. I decided to watch the first movie on Starz on Demand while it was up last night, and I heavily enjoyed it a lot more than I did the first time I saw it (the ending made more sense after seeing Innocence), but Mokoto's and Togusa's voices are definitely no where near as good as the voices in the series. I do like how Batou's and the chief's voices are the same though.

[oranthal]

The only thing I didn't like about the episode was that it seemed as if the Major was drawn weirdly all throughout the episode.I noticed that also. She seemed kind of "chunky" in one scene. But the...
3. Major butt shot! :anime:...more than made up for it. ;)

Jeez, even the nurse at the beginning was well stacked.

[Pepperidge]

Wasn't the nurse one of Motoko's... uhh, friends from the other episode?

[comstar]

That would explain her dressing habit,I figured I'll link to what I thought was a good discussion on the Major's "Fashion Sense" next week or just try and start it up here.

[Vallen Valiant]

Pepperidge was right...

The nurse was one of Motoko's friends...

If you watch the re-run, listen to the chit-chat:

(rough memory, approx'what they said:)

Nurse: Don't scare me like that.
Motoko: You are the one who called me. Rare of you to do this during the day.
Nurse: You haven't bothered showing up the last few times I invited you over...

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Now, with the right imagination, we could deduct what they meant.
It does appear the nurse organise private 'meetings' regularly, and they all apper to be of an intimate nature. Motoko is often invited, and the visit occurs late at night...

Hey, it's her life. People have needs, cyborg or no cyborg.

[lostrune]

Also, as confirmed in this episode, when you lose your body at such young age to full cyborg conversion, your psyche doesn't develope normally. That would explain her dressing habit, when the rest of your body is a machine, modesty isn't too much of an issue. (It also helps that she works for someone who prizes results above all else).
And she never went through the secondary sexual characteristics, a.k.a. puberty. :nurse:

[Artimus Gigan]

And she never went through the secondary sexual characteristics, a.k.a. puberty. :nurse:According to the manga there's a robot equivelent of that...

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/GitS-SAC/sm1.jpghttp://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/GitS-SAC/sm2.jpg



*Sampo looks at the above pics* CoooOoolll... Anyway, Kurutan (the Major's uh friend) asks her to have Section 9 to investage a strange case with a recent organ transplant. A young girl received a replacement heart, which is great since an artifical one would have cost the family dearly and might have been a risky operation. But was is strange, is that the donor's family did not give consent. The Major and Togusa head off to the local gene spicing organ bank, there they encounter the President of Meditech... A man in a can. After meeting this quirky Texan accent retro cyborg, Section 9 find some clues about what was going on. Thus they quickly head back to the hospital and Togusa almost catches the pre-med students red handed. Section 9 corners the students and do a little roleplay, playing the part of Yakuza hunting the frightened men seaking their bodyparts.

Watching Kusanagi play the part of a Yakuza looking to dice up that guy cracked me up. I really do not think he will try pulling that stunt again... Although when you think about it, they were doing a good thing. They were providing organs that would be normally trashed and sold them to people would needed them and couldn't pay for cybernetic parts. Also this leads to another interesting topic.

Breeding pigs to create replacement organs. It sounds possible with our technology and looking at what happened in GITS, it also appears to be profitable. Give some guys your consent and genes, they spice up a pig with your replacement organs. When the pig life cycle comes to an end or if you decide that you no longer need them, sell em on the market.

In addition to the above, this episode also brings out the negatives about replacing your body with cybernetic parts. Yup you will have great strength and very durable. An example of this is when Batou and the Tachikoma both dropped from that crane. Batou appeared to had no problems landing from that great height. But the process itself sounds like it carries great risk on the body and great costs to maintain over a life time.

Random thoughts and quotes.

I always wondered why those Tachikomas had that nosle place there... Dang that thing packed some punch :sweat:

I noticed that also. She seemed kind of "chunky" in one scene.
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Hmm, I guess it's the jacket. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/GitS-SAC/1030.jpg)


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But the......more than made up for it. ;)
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Heheheh. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/GitS-SAC/1092.jpg)


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Jeez, even the nurse at the beginning was well stacked. YUP! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/GitS-SAC/1019.jpg)



Screencaps located here. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/GitS-SAC.htm) No pans though.

[Artimus Gigan]

Oh yeah and another note

my inital question about cyborg bodies was answered...

yes page 58 of the manga, holy crap


However I find it strange that initial Tachicomans were once called Fuchicomans

[comstar]

Batou appeared to had no problems landing from that great height.
The team in Section 9 all have either military bodies/parts or in the case of the Major highly modified bodies.

[raykremer]

More manga notes:
Pigs grown for organs featured a bit into Man Machine Interface.
Batou being made to punch himself happened in the original manga right after the infamous sailboat scene.

[lostrune]

Damn, it's been so long since I read the manga, I hardly even remember. And I don't really like re-reading Shirow because he writes too much. Susanooooo! :D

[Paul_Cousins]

According to the manga there's a robot equivelent of that...I think the Major was joking on page 18 of the original manga because later she later stated in both the manga and the first movie that she could not have children because she lacks the organs to do it.

And it's not like she is a 'third'. :sweat:

By the way, this episode was pretty good, 8 out of 10. I did like the moral dilemma of selling organs that were going to be thrown away anyway. I can understand that and it is not that evil, you're not harvesting organs, but taking what was going to be thrown away anyway. Though was those med students did to the detective was evil.

And I liked the roof scenes with Batou and his Tachikoma.

Finally, about the ending, the Major does play dirty. But one question, was that report she wanted from Batou after the 'punching' scene about his head, or his hand, I could not hear that part of the dialogue real clearly? Other than that I thoroughly enjoyed this episode.

[shoujoaifan]

...Breeding pigs to create replacement organs. It sounds possible with our technology and looking at what happened in GITS, it also appears to be profitable. Give some guys your consent and genes, they spice up a pig with your replacement organs. When the pig life cycle comes to an end or if you decide that you no longer need them, sell em on the market.

Actually, we're already getting there.

The main idea would be to splice either enough human genes into a pig so as to trick the body's immune system. AAAALTHOUGH a person would STILL need drugs to supress rejection like with foreign human organs. Its just that with animals parts its nearly or is entirely IMPOSSIBLE (I forget if its nearly or entirely with today's meds :sweat: )

Another idea thats even further from completion is human/animal chimeras.





Yeah, read that again.

The idea, and it HAS been done in experiments, is to inject human stem cells into a animal's, like a goat, womb when it pregnant and it will be a goat, by all looks, but will have human cells mixed throughout that were accepted by the animal when it was a fetus, as well as human and animals cells that have truly merged, leaving animal cells, human cells, and human/animal cells in the animal's organs. I'll look up more info tomorrow when its not too late :sweat: I forget what effects it had on the animal's brain, IF any, OR if the scientists actually know or not, OR if the human stem cells were already deffereinated into ONE cell type, say liver, and is only in the animal's liver, or if the entire creature is a human/animal hybrid.

Which reminds me of ANOTHER experiment where they have grown FULLY formed HUMAN kidneys (I think. I need sleep :p ) that are MINIATURE, due to being GROWN in a RAT'S body.





Yeah, read THAT again.

I'm not entirely agaisnt animal parts. On the contrary, considering the fact that if we were to make the US donor sytem more effective, or at least adopt one of the European systems, we wouldn't NEED hardly any animal parts, EXCEPT changing policies and systems has NEVER been part of ANY goverenments' strong points (Don't ge me wrong, I love the US in case any of the other US forum members get the wrong idea. I just know that noone's perfect, which applies to goverenments that are made up of imperfect people.)

Hope I'm not being too overbearing Sampo. Advances in organs and stem cells is one of the things that pique my interests :D Once again, great job on the screencaps!

[Inkan1969]

So this is GitS's idea of a comedy episode. :D I laughed all the way through. Particularly at the man in the can, the self-inflicted knockout, and those loser students lamenting over how screwed they were.

3. Major butt shot! :anime:

Remember though that she has a cyborg body. So it's not real. :D

BTW: I don't get what "Mass naked child events!" is in reference to.

[Swordfish_II]

BTW: I don't get what "Mass naked child events!" is in reference to. A particularly infamous fansub translation. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/Swordfish_II/AJ.jpg

[Spidey2099]

I noticed that also. She seemed kind of "chunky" in one scene.
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Hmm, I guess it's the jacket. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/GitS-SAC/1030.jpg)The lesson of this episode: "Straight-hanging jackets are cruel to the curves." :(

[Inkan1969]

Gotta watch out for those lollicon fan fansubbers... :rolleyes:

[Fresh V]

This episode was great. It was very interesting. The second half was when it really speeded up. I loved the part with Batou, and the Major messing around with the last guy was great!:p When I first watched it, I wasn't sure if she actually killed him or not. Of course she didn't. Haha, funny part at the end when the Tachicoma got stuck. Another butt shot!(actually kinda weirdly drawn)

I showed this episode to my bro's friend who is not familiar with anime, and my bro tells him it sucks. He loved it!:D Haha, I watched the whole episode with him at the rerun (that makes 2 viewing for me in a single day!).

I give GitS: SAC "Missing Hearts" an 8 outta 10.

[Sampo]

A particularly infamous fansub translation. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/Swordfish_II/AJ.jpg OUCH :sweat:

Below is the subtitles from the Bandai/Manga Video release.

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/masskidnappings.jpg



Actually, we're already getting there.

The main idea would be to splice either enough human genes into a pig so as to trick the body's immune system. AAAALTHOUGH a person would STILL need drugs to supress rejection like with foreign human organs. Its just that with animals parts its nearly or is entirely IMPOSSIBLE (I forget if its nearly or entirely with today's meds :sweat: )
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I sorta remember seen something about this on CNN a long time ago...
*Sampo checks the CNN website*
Here you go the article (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/08/23/uk.pigs/index.html) about pigs being a source for human organs. It's an old article though :sweat:


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Another idea thats even further from completion is human/animal chimeras.

Yeah, read that again.

The idea, and it HAS been done in experiments, is to inject human stem cells into a animal's, like a goat, womb when it pregnant and it will be a goat, by all looks, but will have human cells mixed throughout that were accepted by the animal when it was a fetus, as well as human and animals cells that have truly merged, leaving animal cells, human cells, and human/animal cells in the animal's organs. I'll look up more info tomorrow when its not too late :sweat: I forget what effects it had on the animal's brain, IF any, OR if the scientists actually know or not, OR if the human stem cells were already deffereinated into ONE cell type, say liver, and is only in the animal's liver, or if the entire creature is a human/animal hybrid.
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*Sampo head hurts*

Gah :sweat: That sounds interesting. Although, I thought in GITS they used a person's genes to lower the rejection rate when the organ would be used for replacement or maybe in GITS they can actually create human organs that pigs could use? *Sampo then babbles on about random things*




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Which reminds me of ANOTHER experiment where they have grown FULLY formed HUMAN kidneys (I think. I need sleep :p ) that are MINIATURE, due to being GROWN in a RAT'S body.
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I remember an experiment when they grew a human ear on the back of a rat. Dang, I didn't know they were able to do that. Thanks for the info.


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I'm not entirely agaisnt animal parts. On the contrary, considering the fact that if we were to make the US donor sytem more effective, or at least adopt one of the European systems, we wouldn't NEED hardly any animal parts, EXCEPT changing policies and systems has NEVER been part of ANY goverenments' strong points (Don't ge me wrong, I love the US in case any of the other US forum members get the wrong idea. I just know that noone's perfect, which applies to goverenments that are made up of imperfect people.)
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Aye I agree. I don't want to go into detail just because it might offend someone. But, for example, if people just took the time to donate blood. Heck, that would help out immensely (well here in Hawaii anyway).


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Hope I'm not being too overbearing Sampo. Advances in organs and stem cells is one of the things that pique my interests :D Once again, great job on the screencaps! Naw it's cool. Thanks for the info! I'm glad people out there are enjoying the screen caps.

*Sampo walks away to grab some tylenol*

[lostrune]

Gotta watch out for those lollicon fan fansubbers... :rolleyes:
The translator later admitted that he misheard the Japanese word (by one letter) for "kidnapping" instead to be that for "naked kid." :D
(Though logic should've alerted him how the latter doesn't make sense in context.)

[Duke]

*Sampo head hurts*

Gah :sweat: That sounds interesting. Although, I thought in GITS they used a person's genes to lower the rejection rate when the organ would be used for replacement or maybe in GITS they can actually create human organs that pigs could use? *Sampo then babbles on about random things*
Remember that at least 95% of the human race in GitS is cyber-enhanced in some way. If they can make cybernetics that cheap, then it's wholly possible to grow replacement human organs in pigs.

[ClockStomper]

The 3D in this show sucks ass. It's totally distracting. Why do anime companies think bargin basement CG will make the shows cooler? Don't use 3d unless yu're willing to pay for something that dosen't look like crap.