Too much GOOZ

[Sketch]

Miguzi is airing 7 days a week now and all at the same time. Quite honestly... That's just too much. If this was a block that had something special and exclusive then it wouldn't be so bad. But this block lacks that factor heavily. Code Lyoko is the only show to premiere on the block. TMNT only airs on Miguzi and soon Rave Master will too. But Static Shock, Teen Titans and Totally Spies air a lot durring the general schedule. Thankfully they cut back on TS but replacing it with Mucha Lucha was actually... worse (IMO at least).

So much wasted potential here.

Miguzi's two best performers don't even premiere episodes on the block. Miguzi obviously needs a premiere night and with Saturday being the same as the rest of the week (san Rave instead of Teen Titans) and Sunday being a marathon day... You'd think they could use either Saturday or Friday (or both) to effectively premiere Miguzi shows. Even once a week premieres of TMNT would be a plus. But they don't do any of that.

Miguzi is becoming a huge eye soar to me. I didn't mind it take Toonami's place (TMNT all week makes me happy of course). I didn't care when they made a marathon day. But the combination of all these little things is adding up to a big pain in the neck.

[James Bester]

youre just mad about the saturday miguzi. arent you?

Well, it used to be just a full hour of mucha lucha in that slot and Id prefer anything over that.

[Zach Williams]

youre just mad about the saturday miguzi. arent you?

Well, it used to be just a full hour of mucha lucha in that slot and Id prefer anything over that.
Yeah, but they should have been putting premieres od Duck Dodgers and !Mucha Lucha! there instead. TS, TMNT, SS, AND RM, are all GREAT lead-ins to Toonami, I'm just happy that its Rave Master!! :D

But, this is a bit too much.

[STARTOUNZ]

Well I don't watch Miguzi that much, mostly because I'm at work when it airs. About the only show in the bunch I like is Static Shock. What I don't like are the way they do the end credits, which is similar to what a lot of the other networks do with the shrunken creds and the overpromotion of the Miguzi block. This is worse with the fact that particularly with SS, they use the same exact same end credits from the pilot episode all the time. I prefer the prime time airings at 10:30 since I can actually see them up close for the first time. On the WB, they did the same compressed creds/overpromotion as well. :mad:

[CNfan]

When kids see credits, it's a signal to turn the channel....that's why CN (and pretty much all networks now) squeezes credits with other types of content.

[Sketch]

youre just mad about the saturday miguzi. arent you?

Well, it used to be just a full hour of mucha lucha in that slot and Id prefer anything over that.
Well it's better than Mucha Lucha without a doubt...

But the whole block has grown a lot but hasn't changed much. It's just the same crap all the time and most of it airs outside of Miguzi as well. Which pretty much makes the block's existance pointless IMO. But ratings say otherwise I suppose.

[Kury Wagner]

Yeah, I think they're going overboard too. It's just too much. :shrug:

[CookieS]

I've heard rumors of the network considering Megas XLR in the weekday slot, once they get enough episodes.

[KnightusMaximus]

I don't think Sunday Miguzi will be used to show marathons anymore.

According to the Toon Zone listings after the Saturday block comes in (1/22/05) the Sunday block will move to 5-7PM and show the exact same shows they show on weekdays. I wonder what they'll do with its old Sunday timeslot.

[JohnCrichton]

It's just be nice if CN shared the love instead of pushing with overload on GOOZ.

[Demonic Raven]

Well, it used to be just a full hour of mucha lucha in that slot and Id prefer anything over that. Sure, but it's not that.

Miguzi is still young in my eyes. It still needs to grow and acquire more shows for the block. CN needs to realize that before they....uh...whats the word....go Gooz spamming? Eh, close enough.

Toonami needs more slots. ALOT more than Miguzi needs em. Especially with their lack of shows and Toonami's general surplus of rerunables(one day= bad for reruns..especially for the longer shows).

[Blue]

It's just be nice if CN shared the love instead of pushing with overload on GOOZ. If they wanted to share the love we'd get a one hour toonami block on weeknights:sweat:

Meh...We do have to much of it, maybe if it wasn't as long or just plain boring there might be something better to it. But at this point its really got nothing good.

[Sketch]

Miguzi doen't have enough fresh material to be shoved down the viewers throats like this.

Toonami once had many blocks but I assure you they each had something special about them.

TMR always had DBZ but it also usually had something you couldn't find on the afternoon block.

Super Saturdays had .hack//SIGN amoung the many DB/DBZ reruns...

And The Rising Sun had a great mix of programing that wasn't getting much play.

Miguzi only credits 6 shows... What about X-Men: Evolution, Jackie Chan Adventures, Astroboy, SD Gundam, Transformers: Energon (it could work on Saturday Miguzi at least), Atomic Betty (action oriented enough I guess), Mega Man NT Warrior, Shaman King, Sonic X, and any number of other shows CN could be airing if they so desired (though they don't have Sonic X yet and we don't know the status on Mega Man or Shaman King).

What a waste. That's all there is to it.

Toonami doesn't even get rerun slots for the Dragonball franchise. They could at least put some DB on sometimes 10-11PM or 6-7AM.

[Zyzzybalubah]

I've heard rumors of the network considering Megas XLR in the weekday slot, once they get enough episodes.
I'd take Megas on weekdays, but on Miguzi? That'd be very weird. Nonetheless I'd still watch it.

[Obi]

Miguzi Saturday looks like it's going to be booooring. Yet more rernus of Totally Spies, TMNT, and Static Shock. At least they have something different in Rave Master.


It SHOULD have been

5 - Code: Lyoko
5.5 - Shaman King or Megaman NT Warrior
6 - Transformers: Energon
6.5 - Rave Master

[James Bester]

Miguzi is eventually gonna fall. It may take months(or even another year), but the way things are going, the kids are gonna eventually get sick of all this rerun crap.


And btw, CN shouldve done something smart with miguzi and replaced teen titans with d.i.c.e. It sounds like it fits miguzi much more. CN just doesnt do anything right these days!

[Magick]

Hey! I like Teen Titans. (It's better than most of the other crap on Miguzi.) I think that they should have a set theme for Migizu, like Toonami was packed with anime cartoons. Maybe they can turn Miguzi into something worth watching, and move TT to a block of all superhero shows. Ah, heck, what do I know?

[Donald Duck 12]

Weekdays
4:00 TS
4:30 TMNT
5:00 Pokemon Indigo League
5:30 TT

Fridays
4:00 Movie
5:30 Cubix

Saturdays
4:00 Rave Master
4:30 Code: LYOKO
5:00 Transformers Energon
5:30 Static Shock

Sundays
4:00 The Batman
4:30 TMNT from yesterday on Fox Box
5:00 Ultimate Muscle
5:30 Astro Boy

Same shows seven days is too much. Like everything these days, need more variety.

[Wanted]

Seven days a week? Where do you see that?

[Red]

Seven days a week? Where do you see that?
On the Miguzi schedule on this very site.

[Zach Williams]

Seven days a week? Where do you see that?
Wasnt that what the whole thread about? 7Days of Miguzi being tooooooooooo much! ANyway, Obi, I love your Saturday idea, as long as it would be new episodes of the shows, it would be great.

[Discloner]

It always amuses me when people are surprised networks take a successful show or franchise and use it all over the place, which is exactly what's happening here.

I've got no problems with Miguzi, in fact...I think it adds some great diversity to Cartoon Network in terms of what the block is specifically targeting. The content of which isn't as exclusive...but I rarely watch it, so it doesn't bug me all that much.

Regardless, I do think Miguzi's days are numbered the more CN overexposes it, that is...if are even considering it a block of programming or just programming slots as is. Back in the day when the Toonami brand was mighty and popular, CN tended to throw around that franchise a bit too, with midnight, Saturday, and Sunday blocks. I mean...even WB got in on that franchise action...but look at Toonami now. Some days it needs an IV, others it seems to be doing better...but its obvious the block itself isn't as great as it once used to be.

What's to say if CN continues down the current path, that Miguzi wouldn't wind up the same way in 3-5 years?

[Sketch]

I guess it's safe to say Miguzi will be doing well as long as kids like Totally Spies and Teen Titans. Which could be a very long time. Especially in TT's case.

[Killtacular]

I guess it's safe to say Miguzi will be doing well as long as kids like Totally Spies and Teen Titans. Which could be a very long time. Especially in TT's case.
Don't forget the new episodes of TMNT in January that kids will probably tune into.

[Sketch]

"New" TMNT? What's this now? Didn't know about that. HOORAY!!!

EDIT:

So it starts mid January... They play The Big Brawl, Space Invaiders, Worlds Collide and Touch and Go. Two big arcs and one extra episode (which is a lot of good times Mr. Touch and Mr. Go)

But of course they had to ruin this for me... You have to watch not just Monday - Friday but also Saturday and Sunday to see them all on Miguzi. Nice to have TMNT 7 days a week (8 times a week with the Fox Box) but that sure isn't easy to follow.

[ktoriyama]

NOTE: When I say boy or girl, I mean by what society and for all intents and purposes marketers define them as. For example somewho likes DBZ is a boy, and will like boy toys more as opposed to girl toys, ie GIJoe as opposed to Barbie. Please don't post I am a girl and I like DBZ as a reply

Miguzi only credits 6 shows... What about X-Men: Evolution, Jackie Chan Adventures, Astroboy, SD Gundam, Transformers: Energon (it could work on Saturday Miguzi at least), Atomic Betty (action oriented enough I guess), Mega Man NT Warrior, Shaman King, Sonic X, and any number of other shows CN could be airing if they so desired (though they don't have Sonic X yet and we don't know the status on Mega Man or Shaman King).
Most of your shows here are overwhelmingly for boys, with the only notable exception being Atomic Betty, but that is flat out crap. This is especially true for the DB/DBZ series, where solely boys. This is true for most of CN, and was especially true for Toonami. The result of having most of your shows being geared for mostly boys, either extremly like DBZ or somewhat like Teen Titans, is that there are only a limited number of boy toys to sell. Girl toy makers feel left out, and only buy advertising spots, if they are offered at discounted prices, because off the limited number of girls who will be watching and might be persuaded to watch, which is only fair. Otherwise the girl toy distributors would go to Nick and Disney for better demographics. I am also guessing that CN fell on some desperate times and had to discount some of its advertising slots period, just to get them moving. If I remember correctly some slots use to have "groovies" and other shorts.

Miguzi is attempt to appeal to both boys and girls, so to encourage girl toy makers to advertise on CN, instead of Nick or Disney. They have the boy demographics down, all they need are the girls. So they create a new afternoon block, with a girl lead instead of a boy-appealing robot who lives in an undersea place filled with adorable sea creatures instead of a cold and dark ship in space. They also show more girl appealing shows (Totally spies) then neutral (TMNT, then Static Shock, esp later on with Shebang) then not too girl offending (TT) so they might stay and watch.

The general idea I feel is that they are trying to get the top (and richest) boy toy manufacturers, ie BANDAI and game makers, with AS and the new Toonami and the top ( and richest) girl toy manufacturers, ie Mattel, for maximized profit, instead of having to sell discount slots to third rate no name manufacturers.

They seem to be fearful about the success of appealing to girls, as this is solidly Nick's and Disney's territory, as Nick and Disney should fear of trying the opposite. So now that Miguzi seems to be doing well, it is now the banner of this crusade for girls viewers. It will be like a keyword saying, girls watch here. I think that CN might soon and Miguzi to the no name premiers of AB and TS air Sun @ 8.

I will end this by stating that with this hopeful increase in money, we might see better shows for both sexes being developed with the increase in profits that they are trying to attain. And please don't point out spelling or grammar mistakes, I am tired.

[Sketch]

Shaman King has Anna (and nobody messes with Anna).

Jackie Chan has Jade.

Mega Man NT has Roll and Malu as well as some adult females characters with good roles.

Sonic X has Amy, Cream, and that annoying girl who is Chris friend.

X-Men: Evolution has plenty of great female characters and easily more so than Teen Titans, Static Shock, and Ninja Turtles.

Honestly who are they trying to fool? Since Code Lyoko left for only special event showing... Miguzi is practically boy dominated. The only thing that sets it apart from Toonami at this point is Totally Spies and the packaging. As long as the packaging is there as well as Totally Spies or another show specifically for girls they'll always have a balance. It's more general 6-11 ratings I think. X-Men: Evolution did very well with the older viewers before Adult Swim for one thing.

I wouldn't expect to see JL/JLU, Dragonball GT, Yu Yu Hakusho, Megas XLR, Gundam (other than possibly SD), or Kenshin on Miguzi but D.I.C.E. has plenty of female characters and if Rave and Transformers: Energon are any indication it's all about merchandise. Ah so that's it... Other than Static, every show on Miguzi has some merchandise to sell TMNT and Teen Titans especially. I guess that rules out Shaman King but certainly no Sonic X with all the McDonalds promotions and the steady stream of kid friendly games coming out on the PS2, GCN and Gameboy.

Don't count out the female Dragonball fans. There are plenty out there. It's just not a mainstream popular with female viewers (you kinda have to be an anime lover to like Dragonball if you're a girl I guess... most likely the same folks who love Inuyasha).

There is material out there and if there isn't then they shouldn't push the block so much. Let it be for a while. If nothing else... don't air the weekday schedule on the weekend. Who watches TV at 5-7PM on Saturday? Most kids are out playing or something. The chances of missing an episode are far too high when it comes to weekend afternoons airings.

[Wanted]

You guys are saying 'seven days' like it's already in effect.

[ktoriyama]

Shaman King has Anna (and nobody messes with Anna).

Jackie Chan has Jade.

Mega Man NT has Roll and Malu as well as some adult females characters with good roles.

Sonic X has Amy, Cream, and that annoying girl who is Chris friend.

X-Men: Evolution has plenty of great female characters and easily more so than Teen Titans, Static Shock, and Ninja Turtles.
They have girls. TS has David(I am embarassed that I know this). AB has that annoying brown haired kid. Just because they have girls does not mean it appeals to girls. The main issue is that although there are female sidekicks, there are no female leads. Plus the story, plot and other things, usually don't appeal to girls. Having girls is not enough.

Honestly who are they trying to fool? Since Code Lyoko left for only special event showing... Miguzi is practically boy dominated. The only thing that sets it apart from Toonami at this point is Totally Spies and the packaging. As long as the packaging is there as well as Totally Spies or another show specifically for girls they'll always have a balance. It's more general 6-11 ratings I think. X-Men: Evolution did very well with the older viewers before Adult Swim for one thing.
The packaging matters, and you'd be suprised. I noticed there was a lot of change and I am thinking that they are still experimenting to see what works. Maybe they are trying to get a healthy mix of both.

I wouldn't expect to see JL/JLU, Dragonball GT, Yu Yu Hakusho, Megas XLR, Gundam (other than possibly SD), or Kenshin on Miguzi but D.I.C.E. has plenty of female characters and if Rave and Transformers: Energon are any indication it's all about merchandise. Ah so that's it... Other than Static, every show on Miguzi has some merchandise to sell TMNT and Teen Titans especially. I guess that rules out Shaman King but certainly no Sonic X with all the McDonalds promotions and the steady stream of kid friendly games coming out on the PS2, GCN and Gameboy.
DICE? I don't know what that is, but as I said before having female characters is not enough.

Don't count out the female Dragonball fans. There are plenty out there. It's just not a mainstream popular with female viewers (you kinda have to be an anime lover to like Dragonball if you're a girl I guess... most likely the same folks who love Inuyasha).
As I said in the NOTE in bold, which I hope you read, and very essential to understanding my point. I hoped I made it clear that for marketeers, they are considered boys, or atleast boyish when it comes to what kind of merchandise they buy. So regardless of how many of them there are, or what they have between their legs, the merchandise pushers class them as boys.

There is material out there and if there isn't then they shouldn't push the block so much. Let it be for a while. If nothing else... don't air the weekday schedule on the weekend. Who watches TV at 5-7PM on Saturday? Most kids are out playing or something. The chances of missing an episode are far too high when it comes to weekend afternoons airings.
CN is somewhat desperate to get girl viewers. And you'll never guess what's on one our later on Nick. Snick. Here is how it goes. Miguzi 5-7 to beat Snick 6-7, hour break, TS and AB to beat Snick's best at 8-9. You think its a quicky-dinky?

[Sketch]

That is true there aren't many shows with female leads. Too bad Sailor Moon and Card Captors are long gone.

But I'm not saying they should kick off Totally Spies. TS is a vital part of Miguzi. Without it and the packaging (which BTW I never said wasn't important, it is what sets it apart from Toonami if nothing else, you're talking to a HUGE Toonami fanboy... you think I don't understand how important packaging can be?) it wouldn't be anymore girl oriented than Toonami. That's why the TS and the packaging are the deciding factor. You reel the girls in with TS then you keep the shows pretty light hearted but still full of action until you get to TT which has at least two notable female characters (3 if you ever counted Tara).

Static Shock and Ninja Turtles could be replaced (yes I'm saying TMNT could be replaced) and X-Men: Evolution has about as much girl focus as Teen Titans if not more (more girls in X-Men: Evo and a lot of them are very strong characters with good attributes). But I guess it should be noted that X-Men EVO is done and has nothing left to sell.

I understand the advertisers point of view. And I also understand that CN wants to do everything in the their power to beat Nick and Disney.

What I'm saying is that Miguzi could be airing different shows at least between TS and TT (the obvious corner stones of the block) and airing the same stuff you can watch on general CN is often overusing the material. Toonami always had shows you couldn't see elsewhere on CN. Miguzi currently has 1 (TMNT). That's the problem. Miguzi could be great if it had some programing you couldn't find anywhere else (at least on CN).

In the future CN surely should pick up The Winx Club for Miguzi and maybe Mew Mew if it isn't horrible. But that doesn't mean all the programing will be girl centered. Rave Master could be airing on weekday Miguzi (Elie is a VERY important character, the co-hero if you will) if nothing else and D.I.C.E. would be fine to replace Static of TMNT for a while (just to keep that obviously 6-11 show off of the 9-14 Toonami).

But for variety's sake... they could use something that already airs elsewhere on CN but not all that often these days... The Power Puff Girls! If nothing else they could air it on the weekend slots.

And how about some movies? There's gotta be some movies Miguzi could air on Friday, Saturday or Sunday.

I've said it many times. I believe Miguzi has it's place and it has lots of potential but at the moment I feel that potential is wasted.

The obvious responce to that is... The ratings are fine if not fantastic so it's obvious kids don't mind the redundant programing of the block... but I think the ratings would be even better if they had more of a rotation of material going rather than keeping the exact same schedule for a VERY long time and airing it in any time slot possible.

[ktoriyama]

Those are the shows they should be showing, thanks for reminding me, Sailor Moon and Card Captors. But it is not soo much the girl leads but the point of the show. The girl demographic is one that I don't get too much, and I am not sure if anyone here does, especially when it comes to cartooning, they [girls] seem to prefer live action. For Nick and Disney, this is no problem, but for CARTOON Network? They love Raven, they love Lizzy McGuire, can someone fill me in. These allright shows, but not allthat shows. Maybe this is why they did those live action bumpers on CNF? And again when I say girl I mean someone who would rather buy a Barbie over a videogame console. On this point Nick recently aired Barbie's last steaming pile of [fill it in, we all use different words], the Prince and the Pauper (isn't it copyrighted by Disney?) For the love of God, I could not see what was so good about that show, no plot, no action (of course), no character development, not anything at all. My drunken self could do better CGing, especially when the ready made models in Poser look a whole lot better. It was in my opinion a very long commercial and should go to Guiness as such. But the girls ate it up and licked the plate clean. Why? I asked some, (Yes I speak to girls so there), and from the bottom up, tot to teen, they said the cat. Hyper Sensei, do you get that, and does anyone get that. They all loved the cats, especially the one who barked like a dog. I will never understand for the life of why they loved the cats. The show had two male leads, and two female leads. Tenchi has umpteen female leads, but many thought the show was offensive. Let me not bring this up again and again, but it is not the number of female leads, but that actually substance or plot of a show that counts. What is it about, kicking the villians ass or a love story? TT might have female leads, but it can be reduced (a huge generalization) as kicking the other villians ass. TS, is not a serious villian show, it focuses alot on relationships, most episodes have the following format, one of the girls like a guy, mission, mandy makes the move, mission solved in some easy forseeable way, romance resolved goes one way or the other. This is the truly unpredictable part of TS, like the villian fights in TT. I am still waiting for Robin to truly lay the smackdown on Slate one-on-one. But I digress, the point remains clear, girl leads do not matter, actual substance does. Little is know about what girls like in videogames or cartoons so a lot of research is being done. Miguzi is nothing but a petri dish. They take what they have put it in there and see what the girls like without alienating the boys too much. The next time someone pitches an idea to them, they will see what worked in Miguzi, see how similar the pitched idea is, and might be more receptive. Before where they turned down ideas designed to appeal to girls as too big a risk for those that would certainly succeed with the boys, they might now give those ideas a chance. Looks like Carton Network is leading the research on girls and cartoons. Be patient, I am guessing in 3-5 years, no maybe sooner, we will see the real offspring of Miguzi, of all this mix up and experimentation. CN originals, that primarily appeal to girls, but can also appeal to boys, in a manner similar but opposite to Static and TT.

Looks like I misread your last statement, and apparently that's one thing we have in common. I still hold grudge against Miguzi for kicking Toonami out and shoving it in a corner. Tell ya what if ya have guts, me and you will post a thread on the Nick and Disney boards, asking what do girls like in cartoons. Maybe CN execs might be watching and cut out 6months of Miguzi testing.

P.S. Can anyone tell me what is D.I.C.E.? I have not a clue. This goes to Hyper Sensei especially as he mentioned it twice. Thank you

[Sketch]

D.I.C.E. is a new series by Bandai that is focues on the 6-11 demo. It also a boy show obviously but it's "cute" also... Kinda like SD Gundam and the ladies did like that (the only thing that kept Toonami afloat with the ladies in late 2003 I guess).

That's a splended idea. You post the thread and I'd be happy to put in my input. They do have a way of copying threads. So you could actually have it on the Disney board, the Nick board and the CN board. One big thread connecting to all of them.

That is true, girls like live action a lot more. I guess they are more into realistic situations while boys like to "escape" with their shows.

Yeah a lot of girls like Barbie movies because they relate to the toys. I've had enough female relatives to know that much. They hang on every word... And side kicks are always the higher loved characters (probably because they are the most interesting). In that movie did they change hair colors as well as clothes otherwise it sure would have been easy to figure out there was a switch... but I digress...

Everything you said has nothing to do with what they program between TS and TT. Ninja Turtles and Static Shock could be shuffled out for any number of good shows to add some more variety to the block. Rave Master shouldn't be shown at 10:30PM. Keep that slot Static Shock for now and give Rave Master Static's slot on weekday Miguzi (since they already plan to sheepishly add it to the tail end of Saturday Miguzi rather than airing another episode of Teen Titans - given Toonami airs that as well).

But what it all really comes down to is this... I want 10-11PM to be Toonami. I want my daily YYH and DBZ. And I'm never gonna get that...

I wish CN would just figure it out already. They'll never beat Nickelodeon.

[Wanted]

...in trying to reel in girls, right? Right!

Cartoon Network is a predominantly boys' channel, thanks to Adult Swim and Toonami... and Betty Cohen.

But, that's a good thing.

[Sketch]

Totally Spies is the only "girl" show on Miguzi. It's all the packaging. It's more "girl" friendly than Toonami (obviously). So in turn they could air something else between Totally Spies and Teen Titans and no problems should occur as long as the show is actually good and hopefully something that isn't on at another time on the network.

That's really all I'm saying. Miguzi has a lot of space to toy with but they just go with the "same old, same old".

[ktoriyama]

Before this thread dies, I will convert my rant into simplistic point form.

By now I hope you understand how I think the animation world works. There are two main kinds of advertisers, those who push toys to the masculine and those who push them to other side. In these two main groups, there are those with a lot of money, with a little, and those with insignificant amounts. Logically to make the most money, you need those with the money from both the guy pushers and the gal pushers.

CN has most of the top merchandisers for guys, but practically none for girls. To take up the remain ad time, they sell discounted slots to whoever will take them, which is not good. Notice how years back there use to be "Groovies" and "Shorties"?

So CN probably decided to do something about this. The solution, bring in more girls. How to do this? First scope the competition, ie Nick. CN has to find a way to beat Nick. Second, what do girls want in a cartoon? Lastly, create CN originals to cement it all down.

First, Nick has brand names on its side. Nick, Snick, TeemNick. CN had to combat this. It polished its own brand names, ie CNF and added people with little skits inbetween to make it more like TeenNick. Do you think Whiskers's the kitten who likes fruit was for the guys? PPG cannot appear on Miguzi because of this. It and that Jpop show are the only things aimed at girls, with Foster's and KND having a somewhat universal appeal.

Miguzi is a another brand name they are trying to put out, with a girl in a fantastical underwater palace with magical sea creature friends. Now CHF Fridays obviously only works on Fridays. So guess which one they choose to plaster all over?

To answer the question, what do girls want in a cartoon, the answer is no one knows. I am sure girls prefer live-action, but if your name is Cartoon Network? One thing is certain is that the number of female leads do not matter. To drill it in, female leads does not count. CN execs are trying to figure what do girls want in a cartoon, or better put, how to reel them in. Hyper Sensei, what would be your plan of action. My hypothesis is that they are currently experimenting to find out in Miguzi. Between TS and TT, they try a series of different shows, throwing what they have or already made a deal to purchase and show them.They have shown 5 so far, (Ozzy, Static, Transformers, Lyoko, and TNMT). Then they conduct a survey, through Nielson, asking the teen and tween girls, what they thought about what aired on Miguzi. What they liked, dislike, improvements and so on. This is what I think is one of the true purposes for Miguzi.

Why can't Miguzi show anything new? There are only four shows for girls first. AB, TS, HHPAY, and PPG. PPG, HHPAY and AB reinforce CNF Fridays against Nick's big thingee. They cannot be spared. HHPAY has too few eps for reruns yet, and they will probably rerun on CNF first. AB I don't think is doing to well, but then what do I know. and PPG is in its last season, and clearly in decline. HHPAY is the only fresh blood, but its too young. CN doesn't want to order anything new, because it would be a risk, and risks do not bode well, esp after the risks it is taking with AB, and HHPAY.

To sidestep and show how confusing girl cartoons can be, let's analyze something that Nick showed recently, that Barbie movie last weekend. From a guys perspective, it sucked horribly. No plot, no action, no climax because there was no plot twist, and no resolution because it never went anywhere. Also you could see the ending half way through. But girls loved, and it brought in huge dinero for Nick, as well as Mattel, because that show was the world's longest advert in my opinion. Simply put, girls seem to like romance, no plot, cheesy villians from the 70's, cute animal sidekicks, and romance. CN should take note.

What is the next step, now that CN thanks to its experiments on Miguzi that pissed off Hyper Sensei? With its brand name and the demographics from Miguzi, CN will then premiere its own cartoons, designed just for the girl market. Where normally CN might have turned those who pitched ideas for girls cartoons away as risky, instead going for a guy cartoon.

In conclusion, does anyone here see the whole point for Miguzi? Does anyone realize why it is so critical to get that girl market money? Does anyone realize CN is going to change, slowly but surely. Does anyone realize that Miguzi is only the beginning, and that CN will try to lure more girls in the future?

Quick math: Williams Street provides 40 hours to cartoon network. Toonami-10 (2x5) and AS 30 (6x5). With Toonami gone from weekdays, those 10 hours became another AS block (6) and Toonami got shrunk to (4). There are no lost hours, and I don't think CN wants to pay them for more hours, so no 10-11 Toonami. Buy the DBZ Dvd's.

Hyper Sensei: tell me how to post that copying thing and I am game.

Easy point form.
CN wants girl advertisers with money
Nick has them
CN copies Nick, creates Miguzi as a result
CN tries to create original shows, but has no idea what will sell
Throws a lot of shows on Miguzi between its cornerstones
Follows up with a poll, probably through Nielson, with questions asking girls what they liked, disliked and so on
With the poll results it can then purchase original cartoons primarily for girls
These shows will probably will air on Miguzi, and hopefully advertisers will follow