Case not closed on Conan?

[Swordfish_II]

Nope. Rumor spread by one forum post that spread to other forums without other attendees, who went to the Dragon Con panel, posting on forums to verify the claim.

Verified on our end. Case Closed is not in trouble.

I guess "that" case is closed.

[pun intended...tip your wait staff, especially if they are part of a Nielsen family]

I'm still not getting my hopes up until Adult Swim announces further episodes, though.

[James Bester]

with all the 9-14 and 12-17 ratings i thought adult swim was gonna drop conan. some people even think that it might go to toonami like yyh(personally i think its a bad idea. how would they even br able to edit the first episode without dramatically changing the plot?). hopefully the show can go on animax(if it comes to america).

[KuwabaraTheMan]

with all the 9-14 and 12-17 ratings i thought adult swim was gonna drop conan. some people even think that it might go to toonami like yyh(personally i think its a bad idea. how would they even br able to edit the first episode without dramatically changing the plot?). hopefully the show can go on animax(if it comes to america).
Family Guy, Futurama, and Inuyasha get good 12-17 ratings too. They don't care about them as a plus or a minus, and Case Closed can never fly on Toonami if they can't even handle guns properly.

But I'm very glad to hear that Case Closed has more chance for renewal than initially thought, although I remain doubtful until it is announced.

[William C. Maune]

and Case Closed can never fly on Toonami if they can't even handle guns properly.

I'm not advocating Conan on Toonami, but I wanted to say I don't think guns would be an issue. In most of the episodes the people are already dead when found, no one actually shoots anyone on screen.

Anyway, regardless of this news, the case was never closed on Conan. At the panel something along the lines of renewal not looking good was said, but they never said it wouldn't happen.

[Killtacular]

Nope. Rumor spread by one forum post that spread to other forums without other attendees, who went to the Dragon Con panel, posting on forums to verify the claim.

Verified on our end. Case Closed is not in trouble.

I guess "that" case is closed.

[pun intended...tip your wait staff, especially if they are part of a Nielsen family]
That's cute. So you're calling LFV a liar. He was at Dragon Con. Where were you? And also, like Maune said, people took the news way more exaggeratively than they should have.

[lheiskell]

That's cute. So you're calling LFV a liar. He was at Dragon Con. Where were you? And also, like Maune said, people took the news way more exaggeratively than they should have. The American Heritage dictionary defines rumor as "Unverified information received from another"

A good reporter verifies rumors with good fact checking by getting other firsthand and secondhand accounts and if possible, direct source quotes.

The Truth is Out There.

Wait, where have I heard that before?

[Artimus Gigan]

The Truth is Out There.

Wait, where have I heard that before?X-files

If conan is renewed for another season then we have a long trek to the last episode, if it's not, meh somthing equaly good shall replace it....

It's not an end all series, it's like the Simpsons or gobstoppers, it's long lasting....

[MeggieMay]

I'm not advocating Conan on Toonami, but I wanted to say I don't think guns would be an issue. In most of the episodes the people are already dead when found, no one actually shoots anyone on screen.No, the trouble with Conan isn't guns but episodes like the "Mountain Villa Murder" two parter, where the murder kills the victim during the episode, dismembers them, then the show not only shows the dismembered body but the murderer is later found with the victums head stuffed under his shirt (this was also the episode where the murder almost broke Conan's leg, while trying make Rachel his next victim) (if you're skipping the spoiler, lets just say this got into TV14 territory for live action shows) :eek:.

So while Case Closed is usually not all that violent, there are a number of episodes that are flat out TV14 in it and it is really beyond Toonami's standards to show CC without skipping episodes (some of which I think may be important to the overall plot) :( .

[William C. Maune]

There are definitely a few episodes, such as the one you mentioned that would be much much trickier. However, that's the only episode I remember with dismemberment. Most episodes weren't nearly that graphic. As for skipping episodes, it would stink to an extent, but I think there have really only been 5 out of about 50 episodes so far that have actually been important to the plot: The first two, the one where we meet Jimmy's parents and the last two-parter that premiered. Everything else is stand alone or minor details that don't really affect the overall plot.

[Nobuyuki sama]

Just wanted to give Lance a Toon Zone "Welcome!" :cool:

[Pepperidge]

OH MY GOD! IT'S LANCE! *faints*

[Riza Hawkeye]

OH MY GOD! IT'S LANCE! *faints* I second that *joins Pepperidge on the floor*

EDIT:
*gets up off the floor* By the way, I like the Eclair avatar *faints again*

[MeggieMay]

Wow, missed that was Lance up there while I was doing my reply earlier :o.

Of course, someone should probably explain just who Lance is, for those who don't get around to half a dozen anime BBS's a day :anime:

[Sampo]

I'm not advocating Conan on Toonami, but I wanted to say I don't think guns would be an issue. In most of the episodes the people are already dead when found, no one actually shoots anyone on screen.
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I agree that guns wouldn't be much of an issue if Case Closed were to air on Toonami and wouldn't affect the over all plot... Although I have to also disagree that the show would be suitable for Toonami even with guns removed. Most of the episodes deal with recreating the crime, a majority of them are violent murders via knives, poison, etc. The viewers at home watch Conan/Richard either go over the crimes via black and white stills or re-create them:

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/CCGuns2.jpg

Also sometimes the "clues" Conan finds are bloodied weapons/fixtures/etc. If they were to remove the blood from the window in the above shot, which is a big clue to how the murder was commited, then they would have to be creative to find an alternate way.

"In most of the episodes the people are already dead when found, no one actually shoots anyone on screen." I can't seem to recall any scene that showed someone murdering his/her victim on screen with a gun. But here is one example of Conan getting shot at on screen.

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/CCGuns1.jpg



No, the trouble with Conan isn't guns but episodes like the "Mountain Villa Murder" two parter, where the murder kills the victim during the episode, dismembers them, then the show not only shows the dismembered body but

the murderer is later found with the victums head stuffed under his shirt (this was also the episode where the murder almost broke Conan's leg, while trying make Rachel his next victim)

(if you're skipping the spoiler, lets just say this got into TV14 territory for live action shows) .

So while Case Closed is usually not all that violent, there are a number of episodes that are flat out TV14 in it and it is really beyond Toonami's standards to show CC without skipping episodes (some of which I think may be important to the overall plot) .

There are definitely a few episodes, such as the one you mentioned that would be much much trickier. However, that's the only episode I remember with dismemberment. Most episodes weren't nearly that graphic. As for skipping episodes, it would stink to an extent, but I think there have really only been 5 out of about 50 episodes so far that have actually been important to the plot: The first two, the one where we meet Jimmy's parents and the last two-parter that premiered. Everything else is stand alone or minor details that don't really affect the overall plot.


Gah yup, they can skip episodes. But if they were to air the episode that introduces us to Jimmy's parents, they would have to edit out a gun scene. That would seriously dampen Conan's dire predicament during that car ride. Also in the very first episode, someone gets decapitated and Jimmy recreates how the victim was killed.

[Riza Hawkeye]

I think I've recovered now.

"In most of the episodes the people are already dead when found, no one actually shoots anyone on screen." I can't seem to recall any scene that showed someone murdering his/her victim on screen with a gun. But here is one example of Conan getting shot at on screen. There is one case that I remember where someone is shot in the head on screen. I think it's episode 9, "Festival Fiasco". It had something to do with the one guy stealing the other guy's book/writings and publishing it himself and winning awards because of it. The murder had a watch tan line on his wrist and the clue for the episode was disposable camera

[William C. Maune]

Most of the episodes deal with recreating the crime, a majority of them are violent murders via knives, poison, etc.

However, we often don't see the person murdered with the knife or dying from the poison. Even when we do, it isn't ususally all that important a part of the episode. The cause of death is rarely as important as who killed them and why. During the recreations, even if you snip out the final part of the recreation where it happens, the rest should be enough. We already know they are dead, thus we just need to find out how it happened, not see it happen.

Also sometimes the "clues" Conan finds are bloodied weapons/fixtures/etc. If they were to remove the blood from the window in the above shot, which is a big clue to how the murder was commited, then they would have to be creative to find an alternate way.

It would make some of the clues harder and I think the blood would be cleaned up, but I don't think all of the blood would need to be removed. The general rule in shows such as DBZ and YYH seems to be that small amounts of blood are ok as long as they aren't moving. That scene had a ton of blood on the window. Potentially, most of it could be cleaned up with enough remaining in the right spots to leave the clue intact.

I can't seem to recall any scene that showed someone murdering his/her victim on screen with a gun. But here is one example of Conan getting shot at on screen.

I don't deny that there wouldn't be edits in a Toonami run and that would likely be one of them. However, I don't know if changes to that scene would render the episode unwatchable. If I recall correctly, by that point Conan had figured things out, which is the main part of the show, and that was just some suspense at the end that would get toned down.

Gah yup, they can skip episodes. But if they were to air the episode that introduces us to Jimmy's parents, they would have to edit out a gun scene. That would seriously dampen Conan's dire predicament during that car ride.

While I don't know if it would "seriously" dampen things, it would deampen things to an extent. Overall though, I dunno if the episode really hinges on that. Also, I wonder to what extent they could get away with Conan being in more danger since he definitely is not a normal kid in any sense. As good as he is with his kicking accuracy he is almost more of a Teen Titans level kid as opposed to a regular ole defenseless kid.

Also in the very first episode, someone gets decapitated and Jimmy recreates how the victim was killed.

Similarly to what I noted earlier, I don't think there is a problem with Jimmy recreating how the victim was killed as long as they don't actually show him being killed. We already know he dies, thus they could show all of the recreation right up until that point without losing much impact.

[Sampo]

However, we often don't see the person murdered with the knife or dying from the poison. Even when we do, it isn't ususally all that important a part of the episode. The cause of death is rarely as important as who killed them and why. During the recreations, even if you snip out the final part of the recreation where it happens, the rest should be enough. We already know they are dead, thus we just need to find out how it happened, not see it happen.
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Hmm, I guess the way I watch the show differs from what you typed in the above quote and throughout the rest of the post you made. I agree that the important part is who killed them and why. But for me, watching how the murderer killed their victim is just as important and the fun part of Case Closed. Why have two parters filled with tid bits of clues so the audience at home can figure out how the murder is commited and who had the oppornunity to kill that person (with most of these episodes, a motive is not declared in the first half so we cannot figure out why a person was killed or who did it).

Sure the gruesome scenes can be removed, but in most of these cases the person is dead. They are not robots, they not going to be resurrected by Dragon Balls, they are modern day people who end up dead. Based on the current line up for Toonami, I don't think they can air Case Closed because people are murdered. IMO, if Jimmy/Conan audibly explains that

the person died because of a wound which was plunged into his back by knife frozen in a block of ice . Or the murder looped some piano wire around the victim's neck in order to cause decapitation. Or how a person was tied up and slowly drowned in a bad tub to give the killer an alibi.

is pretty much the same thing as visually seeing the action taking place or showing stills of someone being killed. I really do not think they can air Case Closed on Toonami because of the crime recreations.


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It would make some of the clues harder and I think the blood would be cleaned up, but I don't think all of the blood would need to be removed. The general rule in shows such as DBZ and YYH seems to be that small amounts of blood are ok as long as they aren't moving. That scene had a ton of blood on the window. Potentially, most of it could be cleaned up with enough remaining in the right spots to leave the clue intact.
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Hmm, good point. But there are other bloodly clues that have to remain intact, such as when a victim scribbled his murder's name in blood, which is then altered to implicate someone else. In this case, is would be difficult to get the clue across to the viewer at home.


While I don't know if it would "seriously" dampen things, it would deampen things to an extent. Overall though, I dunno if the episode really hinges on that. Also, I wonder to what extent they could get away with Conan being in more danger since he definitely is not a normal kid in any sense. As good as he is with his kicking accuracy he is almost more of a Teen Titans level kid as opposed to a regular ole defenseless kid.


IMO, I have to disagree. Although I shouldn't have used the word "seriously". :sweat: When I first watched that episode on Adult Swim.

I had a strong feeling that it was his mother wearing a disguse since that woman knew so much about Conan and his secret. Then she pulls out a gun and points it to his head... That threw my brain for a loop, why would his own mom threaten Conan with a gun. Anyway, this act freaked out Conan and caused him to step on the gas of the car they were traveling in. So his mother quickly regains control of the car, but this action allows Conan to temporarly escape. If they were to edit out the gun, it would make that scene awkward.


Gah brain starting to fog up. :sweat: I need sleep. Later.

[Mysteryinfoman]

Well I guess that's cool, maybe the guys at that panel has mis-information or something happended from that point to now, good thing is CC has a chance or is coming back.

[kaine23]

Good to hear it wasn't cancelled.

[True Noir]

Wow.... How did I not know this was coming? Well, this is definately good to hear. Maybe, now I can start watching it more often and those complaints will fade away.

[Demonic Raven]

Yeah, this was really rumors to begin with. Conan hasn't even finished it's second run, and it's possible they are purchasing episodes as we speak!

And you know what they say...one truth prevails. :p

[Anime Freak]

I figured they probably wouldn't drop Conan with the amount of spots its been getting in the top 30 lists, while Wolfs Rain and other comedy shows haven't even gotten. Still, Lance is right, rumor doesn't equal liar.

[Artimus Gigan]

I figured they probably wouldn't drop Conan with the amount of spots its been getting in the top 30 lists, while Wolfs Rain and other comedy shows haven't even gotten. Still, Lance is right, rumor doesn't equal liar.Wolf's Rain has had the number 3 and number 2 spot for saturdays on AS a fewe times

[Meson]

The rumor could of been an WS joke that may have went to far.

[Artimus Gigan]

The rumor could of been an WS joke that may have went to far.Large groups of People openly booed CC at Dragon-Con...

or some kind of major convention

I mean you would think that they would be the prime target audiance

[Master Moron]

Hmmm...I'm not sure Comic Convention panelists are really the majority of Adult Swim's audience. Adult Swim is pretty mainstream now. Honestly, I really don't know how most people react to Case Closed, as I've never actually watched it with anyone else, I mean, it's on at freakin 1 in the morning! Of course, I wouldn't doubt that the show might get boos from people, but I have to ask, what other clips were shown? Were any Wolf's Rain or Lupin clips shown? What about Oblongs or Sealab or Witch Hunter Robin?

I have never been to a comic convention so I really don't know the mentality of the people there. I really can't imagine myself booing a clip just cause I don't like it. There are several shows on AS that I don't like, but I don't imagine I'd boo them. But, I guess if one person boos then the natural reaction would be to join them in booing...

[Cheesecake]

I'm not advocating Conan on Toonami, but I wanted to say I don't think guns would be an issue.
Theres only one thing wrong with that statement, its bollocks.

We know Toonami cant handle Murder on conans scale, they cant even handle saying the word "kill" in SEED recently, or have a shot of a knife.

So why kids being threatened with real guns would magically be acceptable again is an obvious false hope unless Toonami editing stops being decided by a half baked chimp.

[JetMaster5]

:looks at first post:

....phew....glad DC/CC still has a good chance...

[William C. Maune]

Theres only one thing wrong with that statement, its bollocks.

We know Toonami cant handle Murder on conans scale, they cant even handle saying the word "kill" in SEED recently, or have a shot of a knife.

So why kids being threatened with real guns would magically be acceptable again is an obvious false hope unless Toonami editing stops being decided by a half baked chimp.

Bollocks, eh? There is a differnce between people being murdered and people who already have been murdered.

The word "kill" is tossed around plenty on Toonami. Just because it isn't used in every instance doesn't mean it can't be used. Sometimes the word wasn't even used in the first place. It can get monotonous to use the word "kill" every single time. As for the knife, a few of the knife shots were edited out, but many were also left in. I never said that kids being threatened with real guns would magically be acceptable. However, while those scenes exist, it isn't like they are in every, or even most episodes.

[livingfruitvirus]

Yeah, this was really rumors to begin with.
::clears throat::

[Killtacular]

Bollocks, eh? There is a differnce between people being murdered and people who already have been murdered.As SEED has shown us, people who have -already- been murdered are digitally removed. Big difference.

And the context of a corpse in war is actually much more likely to show up on Toonami than a corpse in the context of murder of heated passion/revenge. Domestic death, in the household. Far closer to home than a dead body on a battlefield.

[William C. Maune]

As SEED has shown us, people who have -already- been murdered are digitally removed. Big difference.

That does happen, but those are usually dead folks that aren't really important to the overall plot. Just "extras" in a sense. When it is something that is very relevant to the plot it seems to be more likely that it will be left in. I.e. the death of that guy in the desert militia.

And the context of a corpse in war is actually much more likely to show up on Toonami than a corpse in the context of murder of heated passion/revenge. Domestic death, in the household. Far closer to home than a dead body on a battlefield.

That could be true, I don't think it is something that has really been tested. At least I can't think of any examples.

[Killtacular]

That does happen, but those are usually dead folks that aren't really important to the overall plot. Just "extras" in a sense. When it is something that is very relevant to the plot it seems to be more likely that it will be left in. I.e. the death of that guy in the desert militia.
But in every episode though? Especially the two parters where there are multiple deaths? Domestic murders, no less?

[William C. Maune]

But in every episode though? Especially the two parters where there are multiple deaths? Domestic murders, no less?

Maybe so, maybe not. The episodes with multiple murders would definitely be more of an issue. In a sense, an explained situation may be more acceptable than just a bunch of dead bodies lying around. With the random dead bodies no one pays for their actions. The Conan episodes are all about bringing people to justice for the wrongness of their actions. While in some episodes there is a sense among some folks that the person killed deserved to die, ultimately there is a lot stronger tone of right vs. wrong in Conan, as opposed to a show like SEED where they purposefully make it so that neither side is all that good. That difference in context could make things easier as there is ultimately usually little question of who was right and wrong in the end and Conan is never wrong in the end*

Also, Conan may be able to get away with more than the usual show since there are no marketing tie-ins involving kids. For now the DVDs are only merchandise available. The show isn't dependant on action figure sales to the 6-11 crowd. Not having to answer for marketing products to X demographic based on a show with content suitable for Y demographic could maybe loosen things up a little.

* There was the episode where he thought the people who were actually actors were killers, but that was more of a joke ending.

[Killtacular]

Also, Conan may be able to get away with more than the usual show since there are no marketing tie-ins involving kids. For now the DVDs are only merchandise available.
There wasn't any merchandise available for YYH either until FUNimation had the show moved to Toonami. The same week YYH's Toonami move was discovered, was the week they announced action figures, collectible card games....

If the show were to be refitted for another demographic, FUNimation (or CN) would just boot it for 6-11 year olds because of Conan's age and the Junior Detective League.

[William C. Maune]

A CCG perhaps, but I can't really see Conan action figures. Most action figures aimed at kids are based on characters who physically battle and such. I don't know if kids would want action figures of a kid looking for clues.

Edit: I did some checking and it wasn't within a week, it was still pretty close though. YYH's move to Toonami was known by February 4th, the merchandising info was announced February 18th.

[Killtacular]

A CCG perhaps, but I can't really see Conan action figures. Most action figures aimed at kids are based on characters who physically battle and such. I don't know if kids would want action figures of a kid looking for clues.
I don't think that'd stop them if they felt Conan could become a big hit. Plus Conan does hyperkick soccer balls. Then there's kung-fu Rachael.

[Master Moron]

There wasn't any merchandise available for YYH either until FUNimation had the show moved to Toonami. The same week YYH's Toonami move was discovered, was the week they announced action figures, collectible card games....


That can't be true. There's an advertisement for Yu Yu Hakusho figures on the Return of Cooler DVD and that came out before Yu Yu Hakusho moved to Toonami. Though, I suppose those figures were more geared towards collectors rather than kids...

[Mog]

And don't forget Richard with his "child abusing vertical punch" action. Kids would love that.

I really do hope that CC gets another set of episodes. Compaired to some other shows like Reign, WHR, and probably even WR, it's not that half bad. Sadly, if it's not getting the ratings then there isn't much they can do. They're trying to make money, not lose it.

[livingfruitvirus]

That can't be true. There's an advertisement for Yu Yu Hakusho figures on the Return of Cooler DVD and that came out before Yu Yu Hakusho moved to Toonami. Though, I suppose those figures were more geared towards collectors rather than kids...
They had YYH collectible figures made by IF Labs during the AS days. I'll admit they looked pretty good too. Also some shirts and stuff. No action figures or play things though.

[LightShadow1890]

Yo Sampo, long time no see.

I don't see how CC can get on Toonami. A Pokemon episode wasn't even shown on KWB due to the fact that a guy was firing a gun at kids on it. Just imagine CN.

It's gonna be realy tricky though. Kids as young as 7 can stumble across Toonami. If parents find out about this show on Toonami....Turner would shut CN down. Even though CC is actually the 14-17 demographic, what about the moms?

Just hoping AS would give CC it's old 12:30 timeslot back. Enough to hit across my big vacations (Thanksgiving, Christmas, Winter, Spring [which starts in March and ends in April]...then Summer).

LightShadow1890

[William C. Maune]

I don't see how CC can get on Toonami. A Pokemon episode wasn't even shown on KWB due to the fact that a guy was firing a gun at kids on it. Just imagine CN.

Yet Pokemon itself still airs. I think the whole gun thing is being blown way out of proportion. Yes, it happens in a few episodes and that might very well be changed to an extent, but the series isn't about people pointing guns at kids.

[Killtacular]

I don't want to play a role here, but look, the S&P is no doubt stubborn and unchanging, and their concept of some of the issues may be a little clouded, so let me play them for a second. You would have to seriously convince me that, beyond a shadow of a doubt, there is an exact, perfect solution to get around the following:

- Domestic violence and references to such are inappropriate for 6-11 year olds to see. Toonami sells ad space to 6-11 sponsors and they will drop us if there are complaints. The program must be fitted to be appropriate for this demographic.
- Noone may be killed with a gun or knife. These weapons are too real and in the context of domesticism are weapons kids could find in their very own house. You will have to come up with an alternate weapon, which will require you to rewrite explanations for murders, and rewrite clues. This will require not only the full presence of FUNimation's dub cast and writers, but you will have to send scenes out to TMS to be reanimated in several scenarios to animate recreations in order to make up for footage that would be severely cut out in explanation scenes, scenes that are necessary for kids to understand the solution to the mystery. This will cost roughly $20,000-$40,000 an episode, depending on how much of the strategy of the murder has to be changed, split between the animation studio, the dub actors, and the translators.
- Richard Moore cannot 'hit' Conan. This is child abuse, clear and simple.
- Conan will have to become an adult some other way than alchahol. Have fun coming up with a scientific explanation for whatever you replace it with.
- Conan cannot be portrayed as being in serious danger. He cannot be roughed up. He can injure himself but he cannot be injured by anyone else. We do not condone violence to minors, under any circumstance.
- You are going to have to fix Richard Moore's drinking and womanizing problems. As a pseudo father figure, Richard Moore must be a more presentable role model.
- You must get rid of the romantic tension between Conan and Rachael. Conan is a little boy. This borders on pedophilism.
- These two part episodes, where a killer's on the loose. You're going to have to lose these. There are multiple victims and a killer is always close to killing another person with every twist and turn. This is too scary for kids. For an adult program, horror/suspense is no problem, but the only horror we allow in our programs is either silly and comedic, or is revealed to be a prank, joke, or misunderstanding at the end of the episode. We do not want to get letters from parents about their children having nightmares and losing sleep because of our programs. The last thing we need is potential lawsuits over trauma. Hoy.

[Pepperidge]

Will, I'm afraid you'll have to admit defeat - some shows just won't work on Toonami. Even if they did manage to get Conan on the block, I don't think anybody on the viewing or production side would be satisfied with the results.

[guinaevere]

Yet Pokemon itself still airs. I think the whole gun thing is being blown way out of proportion. Yes, it happens in a few episodes and that might very well be changed to an extent, but the series isn't about people pointing guns at kids.But that was one episode out of how many? Conan deals with kids in some form of jeopardy quite often. We're talking redoing the majority of episodes to some small extent, all the way towards rewriting the entire story and re-animating entire scenes at a time.

It isn't just a gun, a knife, blood, dismemberment, et cetera. It isn't just that it's an active murder seen on screen, or described in detail at a later disclosure. It's that a child is involved in all of this. Yes William, we all know he's actually a teenager in the body of a little boy. But that doesn't change appearances.

Personally, I'd rather see Conan on toonami than YYH which has demons out and about fighting, trying to kill the heroes; in my mind, that would be much more disturbing to a young audience. But that's just me.

Back to the issue at hand, does anyone have definitive evidence one way or another as to whether Conan is done on AS? I think being able to read an official line that we're going to get futher episodes would make my next couple of weeks.

[William C. Maune]

You make some good points, but I think some of them go too far.

- Noone may be killed with a gun or knife. These weapons are too real and in the context of domesticism are weapons kids could find in their very own house. You will have to come up with an alternate weapon, which will require you to rewrite explanations for murders, and rewrite clues. This will require not only the full presence of FUNimation's dub cast and writers, but you will have to send scenes out to TMS to be reanimated in several scenarios to animate recreations in order to make up for footage that would be severely cut out in explanation scenes, scenes that are necessary for kids to understand the solution to the mystery. This will cost roughly $20,000-$40,000 an episode, depending on how much of the strategy of the murder has to be changed, split between the animation studio, the dub actors, and the translators.

This rule does apply many times, but there are exceptions. While some of the deaths were heavily edited, people did die by way of guns and swords in Kenshin. There is a lot of context to consider also. Seeing someone die on screen would be worse than them already being dead. Most people on Conan are already dead when found.

- Conan will have to become an adult some other way than alchahol. Have fun coming up with a scientific explanation for whatever you replace it with.

I hear tea can have some strange effects on the body... :p

- Conan cannot be portrayed as being in serious danger. He cannot be roughed up. He can injure himself but he cannot be injured by anyone else. We do not condone violence to minors, under any circumstance.

There are plenty of exceptions here (If violence to minors wasn't condoned then Teen Titans wouldn't be on the air, not to mention many other series), the question is whether Conan falls under any of them. While I would say the rule definitely applies to normal kids, Conan isn't normal. He is basically an adult, except stuck in a child's body. Plus, he has several abilities most normal kids don't have thanks to the doctor's gadgets. Another example of an adult in a child's body would be Washu from Tenchi Muyo! She may have been even smarter than Conan, but she still didn't have much more than her brain to rely on.

- You must get rid of the romantic tension between Conan and Rachael. Conan is a little boy. This borders on pedophilism.

I have never noticed much of a problem with romantic tension on Cartoon Network, even odd romantic tension (Tenchi and Ayeka?). Besdies that even, I don't think there is anywhere near enough romantic tension to cause a problem.

- These two part episodes, where a killer's on the loose. You're going to have to lose these. There are multiple victims and a killer is always close to killing another person with every twist and turn. This is too scary for kids. For an adult program, horror/suspense is no problem, but the only horror we allow in our programs is either silly and comedic, or is revealed to be a prank, joke, or misunderstanding at the end of the episode. We do not want to get letters from parents about their children having nightmares and losing sleep because of our programs. The last thing we need is potential lawsuits over trauma. Hoy.

While it might be more of a problem in this series, most Cartoon Network series have at least a kid in them and many of the action series involve bad guys trying to kill the good guys.

Finally, as for the thread in general, I never intended to get started any big discussion over why Conan would or wouldn't work. I was just trying to make the point that the gun play aspect was overblown as a single reason that would keep this show off Toonami altogether.

[William C. Maune]

Personally, I'd rather see Conan on toonami than YYH which has demons out and about fighting, trying to kill the heroes; in my mind, that would be much more disturbing to a young audience. But that's just me.

Considering they do get away with YYH, Conan isn't unforseeable. The YYH characters may not be quite as young as Conan, but they are young, always in danger, in danger of being killed. In most Conan episodes, the person is already dead and no one is in danger. Instead, it's just about figuring out what happened.

Also, as I think I said earlier in this thread, some episodes might even need to be skipped entirely. Some folks definitely would not be happy with that, but at least the vast majority of episodes don't affect the overall plot.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Considering they do get away with YYH, Conan isn't unforseeable. The YYH characters may not be quite as young as Conan, but they are young, always in danger, in danger of being killed. In most Conan episodes, the person is already dead and no one is in danger. Instead, it's just about figuring out what happened.


Big difference. YYH involves demons, humans with special powers, and a guy who came back from the dead. Case Closed involves victims who are burned to death, shot, stabbed, drowned, disembodied, killed in a car crash, hung, and other realistic causes of death.

And Mountain Villa Murder would keep any kid awake all night.

[Killtacular]

This rule does apply many times, but there are exceptions. While some of the deaths were heavily edited, people did die by way of guns and swords in Kenshin.
It is not explained in vivid detail how the characters in Rurouni Kenshin are killed over the span of 5 minutes per episode. I believe, Williams Street, that it was you who said you did not want to edit shows any more than you had to after Kenshin. That you wanted to pick shows that could be run on Toonami with minimal editting. You are certainly contradicting yourselves, but I suppose if you want to overwork yourselves again..

There is a lot of context to consider also. Seeing someone die on screen would be worse than them already being dead. Most people on Conan are already dead when found.
This does not apply at all to what we said. We are not talking about reanimating the discovery of the corpse, we are talking about reanimating the actual murder scene itself; the explanation of how the killer did it; the strategy behind the kill. This scene is crucial to every episode because kids need to have the solution spelled out to them very specifically. Even adults have had trouble piecing together pieces of the puzzle. Beyond that you will need to fix certain clues that solve the puzzle because some of these clues are specifically tied to the murder weapon or are inappropriate themselves.

There are plenty of exceptions here (If violence to minors wasn't condoned then Teen Titans wouldn't be on the air, not to mention many other series),
The Teen Titans are superheroes. Conan is not.

the question is whether Conan falls under any of them. While I would say the rule definitely applies to normal kids, Conan isn't normal. He is basically an adult, except stuck in a child's body.
He is a normal child. Anyone tuning into the show for the first time will think of him as a kid. Any parent watching the show will think of him as a kid. Having an adult mind does not change the fact that he is a little boy.

I have never noticed much of a problem with romantic tension on Cartoon Network, even odd romantic tension (Tenchi and Ayeka?). Besdies that even, I don't think there is anywhere near enough romantic tension to cause a problem.
Pedophilism. Gotta be changed.

While it might be more of a problem in this series, most Cartoon Network series have at least a kid in them and many of the action series involve bad guys trying to kill the good guys.
In silly/comedic ways. Conan is not a silly or comedic show, unless you want to limit the series to 10 episodes total.

[William C. Maune]

It is not explained in vivid detail how the characters in Rurouni Kenshin are killed over the span of 5 minutes per episode. I believe, Williams Street, that it was you who said you did not want to edit shows any more than you had to after Kenshin. That you wanted to pick shows that could be run on Toonami with minimal editting. You are certainly contradicting yourselves, but I suppose if you want to overwork yourselves again..

I don't see how Williams St. has anything to do with this.


This does not apply at all to what we said.

I think it does apply. Most restrictions having to do with killing and death have to do with the danger aspect. If the person is already dead then there is no danger.

He is a normal child. Anyone tuning into the show for the first time will think of him as a kid. Any parent watching the show will think of him as a kid. Having an adult mind does not change the fact that he is a little boy.

Almost every episode refers to the fact that he is Jimmy Kudo trapped in a child's body. We even hear his adult voice all the time. Not to mention that anyone watching the show won't think he is just a little boy when they see him pulling his special kicks that knock out adults with random objects. This is no ordinary kid.

Pedophilism. Gotta be changed.

I must have missed something when watching the show because I didn't notice anything anywhere close to pedophilism on the show.

In silly/comedic ways. Conan is not a silly or comedic show, unless you want to limit the series to 10 episodes total.

Most of the shows that have aired on Toonami do not involve the bad guys trying to kill the good guys in silly/comedic ways.

[Killtacular]

I think it does apply. Most restrictions having to do with killing and death have to do with the danger aspect. If the person is already dead then there is no danger.
However in the recreation they are still alive and the danger is new. However, danger is again not the only factor in editting. The fact that these murders are personal, domestic crimes, with weapons and utilities that families may own in their very own home, is something that cannot be overlooked.

I must have missed something when watching the show because I didn't notice anything anywhere close to pedophilism on the show.
Like I said, the BS&P are not going to be incredibly sharp but they are going to be steadfast and immobile in their decisions.

Most of the shows that have aired on Toonami do not involve the bad guys trying to kill the good guys in silly/comedic ways.
Naturally, because those characters are superheroes/powered. If you want to work in somehow that Conan has superpowers, then be my guest, as absurd as the show would become, but then you'd also have to give everyone else in the two-parters super powers, so that they could avoid being put in danger or killed dramatically. Of course that doesn't change that the killer is not some goofy costumed villain with ridiculous science-fiction powers. The killer is a regular human being, a real, true to life serial killer, the type of which you hear about in the news, the type of which fear both children and their parents. If you think you can compare this kind of killer to an over-the-top villain like Buu or Cinderblock, the likes of which have no ties to reality, you're insane. Children are not going to be scared at night of a cute cuddly marshmellow man who turns people into chocolate. Children will be scared of someone that could actually exist in their neighborhood, or has in the past. You have to know what it's like to grow up in such a neighborhood.

[William C. Maune]

If you think you can compare this kind of killer to an over-the-top villain like Buu or Cinderblock, the likes of which have no ties to reality, you're insane.

Insane, eh? Of course you can't compare them to villains like Buu or Cinderblock, but you cite the most over the top villains. Others like Slade, Sensui aren't nearly as cute and cuddly. Heck, there was a whole thread before regarding whether Slade was too much for kids. At least in Conan kids generally aren't the murder victims. There may be some things in Conan that could scare children, but there are already other not so cute and cuddly things that could scare them as well.

Anyway, I don't think the danger is alive and new in a recreation considering we already know the person is going to die and considering its a described recreation usually with a voice over, not a flashback of the minutes leading up to and including the death scene as if we were seeing if for the first time.

[Master Moron]

Well, one solution they could do is everytime a body is shown they could say "Oh no, his spirit was sent to the next dimension!" :anime:

Anyway, concerning the pedophilia, I could have sworn Slade was a pedophile, what was with that line to Beast Boy about Terra? "You can't give her what she needs."

Concerning supervillains versus normal people, isn't Slade a normal person? He doesn't really seem to have any superpowers.

Anyway, my opinion on this matter, is that yes, Conan could go on Toonami but there would have to be numerous scenes and episodes cut completely. In other words, I wouldn't want it to happen.

[William C. Maune]

Anyway, my opinion on this matter, is that yes, Conan could go on Toonami but there would have to be numerous scenes and episodes cut completely. In other words, I wouldn't want it to happen.

This is decently close to my view. For the record, I would much rather Case Closed stay on Adult Swim.

[TacoKid]

Reading every word in this thread = a true love for the show.

I read every word.:)

[Samurai]

So does that mean more new episodes will air on Adult Swim?

[William C. Maune]

So does that mean more new episodes will air on Adult Swim?

There are 3 (I think) unaired episodes that Adult Swim has. As for whether a new season will be ordered, that is unknown at this time.

[nothing]

while i've only skimmed Matt & William's comments, i'll just say that DC could have been the first show to air in Toonami with a PG rating.

if i were a braver person, i'd forward this over to the guy in standards - i'm sure he'd get a kick out of reading it.

[roguebfl]

Concerning supervillains versus normal people, isn't Slade a normal person? He doesn't really seem to have any superpowers.

he is about as "Normal" as Robin is.

[Matt Hazuda]

I the comic anyways, he's a man who has learned to access 90% of his brain's power when humans can only access like 10%, so I think that kinda is a superpower.

[Znath]

I liked the show a lot, at first I had no idea what it wasthen after the first and second episodes I actualy wanted to try and figure out the mystery before the detective suddenly fell asleep looking down with his eyes closed...

In fact, after I saw that show it was the only reason I even bothered with
adult swim for a long time. Now that it's not anything new I'll just stick with
letterman until they decide to air more episodes :sweat:

Airing it on toonami would kind of be stupid as editing would reduce it to
a meager pile of ashes. If little kids want mystery they can watch scooby
Case closed is more of an older people type show anyway. I doubt many of
the toonami croud can figure out something like "the antidote was in the cake"

I know I didn't

[Gary L Thompson]

Hmmm...I'm not sure Comic Convention panelists are really the majority of Adult Swim's audience. Adult Swim is pretty mainstream now. Honestly, I really don't know how most people react to Case Closed, as I've never actually watched it with anyone else, I mean, it's on at freakin 1 in the morning! Of course, I wouldn't doubt that the show might get boos from people, but I have to ask, what other clips were shown? Were any Wolf's Rain or Lupin clips shown? What about Oblongs or Sealab or Witch Hunter Robin?

I have never been to a comic convention so I really don't know the mentality of the people there. I really can't imagine myself booing a clip just cause I don't like it. There are several shows on AS that I don't like, but I don't imagine I'd boo them. But, I guess if one person boos then the natural reaction would be to join them in booing...Back when Detective Conan was in its (way too long) sub days, I saw "Moonlight Sonata" for the first time at an university anime movie fest. And as I recall, it got a pretty decent reception.

Maybe so, maybe not. The episodes with multiple murders would definitely be more of an issue. In a sense, an explained situation may be more acceptable than just a bunch of dead bodies lying around. With the random dead bodies no one pays for their actions. The Conan episodes are all about bringing people to justice for the wrongness of their actions. While in some episodes there is a sense among some folks that the person killed deserved to die, ultimately there is a lot stronger tone of right vs. wrong in Conan, as opposed to a show like SEED where they purposefully make it so that neither side is all that good. That difference in context could make things easier as there is ultimately usually little question of who was right and wrong in the end and Conan is never wrong in the end*

Also, Conan may be able to get away with more than the usual show since there are no marketing tie-ins involving kids. For now the DVDs are only merchandise available. The show isn't dependant on action figure sales to the 6-11 crowd. Not having to answer for marketing products to X demographic based on a show with content suitable for Y demographic could maybe loosen things up a little.

* There was the episode where he thought the people who were actually actors were killers, but that was more of a joke ending.That is a rather important distinction from the casual body count you usually see in action anime. The odd thing, as much as Conan and Detective Moore don't see eye-to-eye on a great many things, in the infrequent episodes where Detective Moore takes a geniunely active role in solving the case, he takes every bit as hard a line against excusing crime as Conan does.

* It may have been a joke, but Conan and the gang still had to own up responsibility for their actions in the end!

And don't forget Richard with his "child abusing vertical punch" action. Kids would love that.

I really do hope that CC gets another set of episodes. Compaired to some other shows like Reign, WHR, and probably even WR, it's not that half bad. Sadly, if it's not getting the ratings then there isn't much they can do. They're trying to make money, not lose it.Well-done detective shows generally draw at least a small following of rabid fans, and in a fringe time period like the wee hours of the morning, I would have thought that would have boosted ratings enough to keep the show on the air. I still believe a later prime-time hour is the more natural home for the show though. If not Toonami, maybe on TNT or WB (too bad "Veronica Mars" is on UPN rather than WB, CC would be a perfect bookend for it).

I don't want to play a role here, but look, the S&P is no doubt stubborn and unchanging, and their concept of some of the issues may be a little clouded, so let me play them for a second. You would have to seriously convince me that, beyond a shadow of a doubt, there is an exact, perfect solution to get around the following:

- Domestic violence and references to such are inappropriate for 6-11 year olds to see. Toonami sells ad space to 6-11 sponsors and they will drop us if there are complaints. The program must be fitted to be appropriate for this demographic.
- Noone may be killed with a gun or knife. These weapons are too real and in the context of domesticism are weapons kids could find in their very own house. You will have to come up with an alternate weapon, which will require you to rewrite explanations for murders, and rewrite clues. This will require not only the full presence of FUNimation's dub cast and writers, but you will have to send scenes out to TMS to be reanimated in several scenarios to animate recreations in order to make up for footage that would be severely cut out in explanation scenes, scenes that are necessary for kids to understand the solution to the mystery. This will cost roughly $20,000-$40,000 an episode, depending on how much of the strategy of the murder has to be changed, split between the animation studio, the dub actors, and the translators.
- Richard Moore cannot 'hit' Conan. This is child abuse, clear and simple.
- Conan will have to become an adult some other way than alchahol. Have fun coming up with a scientific explanation for whatever you replace it with.
- Conan cannot be portrayed as being in serious danger. He cannot be roughed up. He can injure himself but he cannot be injured by anyone else. We do not condone violence to minors, under any circumstance.
- You are going to have to fix Richard Moore's drinking and womanizing problems. As a pseudo father figure, Richard Moore must be a more presentable role model.
- You must get rid of the romantic tension between Conan and Rachael. Conan is a little boy. This borders on pedophilism.
- These two part episodes, where a killer's on the loose. You're going to have to lose these. There are multiple victims and a killer is always close to killing another person with every twist and turn. This is too scary for kids. For an adult program, horror/suspense is no problem, but the only horror we allow in our programs is either silly and comedic, or is revealed to be a prank, joke, or misunderstanding at the end of the episode. We do not want to get letters from parents about their children having nightmares and losing sleep because of our programs. The last thing we need is potential lawsuits over trauma. Hoy.Now you know why this show is so unpopular with a lot of parents in Japan, who have warred on it (unsuccessfully) since its beginning.

The trouble with "Detective Conan" has always been finding a proper category for it. If you put it next to shows like "Murder She Wrote", "Poirot", "Colombo", "Perry Mason", etc., you find a show that's really essentially non-violent by prime-time standards, but dealing in themes that are totally unsuitable for kids blocks, like all the other above shows. Once you associate Conan with a more general audience, a lot of the perceived problems with the show magically clear up.

There wasn't any merchandise available for YYH either until FUNimation had the show moved to Toonami. The same week YYH's Toonami move was discovered, was the week they announced action figures, collectible card games....

If the show were to be refitted for another demographic, FUNimation (or CN) would just boot it for 6-11 year olds because of Conan's age and the Junior Detective League.I liked the show a lot, at first I had no idea what it wasthen after the first and second episodes I actualy wanted to try and figure out the mystery before the detective suddenly fell asleep looking down with his eyes closed...

In fact, after I saw that show it was the only reason I even bothered with
adult swim for a long time. Now that it's not anything new I'll just stick with
letterman until they decide to air more episodes :sweat:

Airing it on toonami would kind of be stupid as editing would reduce it to
a meager pile of ashes. If little kids want mystery they can watch scooby
Case closed is more of an older people type show anyway. I doubt many of
the toonami croud can figure out something like "the antidote was in the cake"

I know I didn'tActually, if CC ever got established as a prime-time hit, what would stop Time-Warner from making its own original spinoff series emphasizing the Junior Detective League, aimed strictly at juveniles? After all, SatAM spinoffs have been done with a whole lot of prime-time hits down through the years.

And you wouldn't even have to dumb it down to Scooby level to make it suitable for a kids block. Though Sherlock Holmes stories had their blood-curdling aspects, at one point Holmes mentioned to his friend Watson that of their last several gripping cases, most did not even involve a crime. Even "Detective Conan" has taken that approach in an isolated episode here and there. To import some authors experienced in writing intelligent mysteries aimed at juvenile would be very doable.

And I do think Conan is a potential merchandizing bonanza for anyone who would take a chance on putting the character in a series directed at younger viewers. "Ghostwriter" earned a hefty chunk of change for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting through that very thing, and that show didn't have Conan's array of gadgets from the professor.

[Duke]

And I do think Conan is a potential merchandizing bonanza for anyone who would take a chance on putting the character in a series directed at younger viewers. "Ghostwriter" earned a hefty chunk of change for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting through that very thing, and that show didn't have Conan's array of gadgets from the professor.


I miss that show. :( THAT would be a good bookend with Conan.

[vegetasyjn5]

Actually, if CC ever got established as a prime-time hit, what would stop Time-Warner from making its own original spinoff series emphasizing the Junior Detective LeagueDose the word copyright infringemnet ring a bell?

It would be a cool idea i'd watch however they would have to deal with the comapny in japan on that matter.

[lostrune]

All these recent talks about Case Closed reminded me of something I gotta do. But I think I'll wait for next week in order to avoid the weekend when nothing happens. :)

[Artimus Gigan]

The whole concept could be the problem. If it just doesn't appeal to a wide audiance, then it just doesn't appeal. I mean it's a little kid solving crimes for a few hundred episodes and sofar no conlcusion or closure has been reached about the incident in the first episode. Some people just don't really find it appealing or don't have the endurance to follow thru with it to the end. If it fails then you got the DVDs and the manga, if it doesn't then you have the DVDs, the manga, and a weekly showing...

however, compared to the success of IY people could just want action, on paper IY does sound better in concept...

Usualy the rule of thumb in cult classics is this,

get whatever mechandise is available and keep it

if it gets big then you're ahead of the game, if it doesn't, well you got everything you could out of it and just enjoy the memories

[KnightusMaximus]

Besides the obvious action-appeal of Inuyasha, I would have to say both of their stories are basically identical on paper; I wouldn't reflexively dismiss Conan's storyline as being a turn-off for all viewers.

Comparison:
-Kagome shatters the jewel. Inuyasha is a half-demon who wants to become a normal demon. Spend entire series collecting jewel so he can become a demon; evil Naraku stands in his way.

-Shinichi/Jimmy swallows poison. Jimmy is stuck in another body and wants to become a normal teenager. Spend entire series searching for antidote of poison so he can become a teenager; evil Black Organization stands in his way.

Throughout the series, both Inuyasha & Jimmy/Shinichi occasionally revert back to the form they want to be in. Both have dilemmas about whether they really want to become what they are trying to become or whether to accept the way they are. (Kagome likes half-demon Inuyasha; Conan realizes 'I'm only young once' when hanging out with the JDL). Ultimately I think their stories have more in common than meets the eye..

[Artimus Gigan]

Besides the obvious action-appeal of Inuyasha, I would have to say both of their stories are basically identical on paper; I wouldn't reflexively dismiss Conan's storyline as being a turn-off for all viewers.

Comparison:
-Kagome shatters the jewel. Inuyasha is a half-demon who wants to become a normal demon. Spend entire series collecting jewel so he can become a demon; evil Naraku stands in his way.

-Shinichi/Jimmy swallows poison. Jimmy is stuck in another body and wants to become a normal teenager. Spend entire series searching for antidote of poison so he can become a teenager; evil Black Organization stands in his way.

Throughout the series, both Inuyasha & Jimmy/Shinichi occasionally revert back to the form they want to be in. Both have dilemmas about whether they really want to become what they are trying to become or whether to accept the way they are. (Kagome likes half-demon Inuyasha; Conan realizes 'I'm only young once' when hanging out with the JDL). Ultimately I think their stories have more in common than meets the eye..
But Inu-yasha has a cast of different character personas

while the whole quest is essentialy the same, IY actualy ends...where as DC is well...still going on...

besides there is a lot more action in IY than Conan

[roguebfl]

This just in

Attention Case Closed fans:

We know a lot of you are concerned about if Case Close will be on in November given the new schedule. We spoke with our good friends at [adult swim] about this and they are giving Case Closed a little breather. This has happened to InuYasha and Witch Hunter Robin as well in the past so it's a normal occurence.

[livingfruitvirus]

This just in
A breather? Not even when the 2nd run is finished?

Sure.

[roguebfl]

A breather? Not even when the 2nd run is finished?

Sure.the second run will on fail to air "No immunity fo a Diplomat" it's pritty darn close to finish

Monday 25th Billionaire Birthday blues Pt 1
Tuesday 26th Billionaire Birthday blues Pt 2
Wensday 27th Left In Tatters
Thursday 28th The Karaoke Killinngs

Monday 1st Conan is Kidnapped
Tuesday 2nd Unhappy Birthday
Wensday 3rd Unexpected Vistors
Thursday 4th A game of Murder

leveing the 3 unaired episode and "no immunity for the diploment" left in the season

[Artimus Gigan]

leveing the 3 unaired episode and "no immunity for the diploment" left in the season
and a gajillion other episodes that AS hasn't even picked up....

[Duke]

and a gajillion other episodes that AS hasn't even picked up....
That's not in the first season though.

[Artimus Gigan]

That's not in the first season though.
but the first box they released is box 4 that comes with two DVDs

you know you're in for a long series when a big anime series box comes with two DVDs...and the price isn't even all that expensive either...

yeah season 1 may finish but threads shall be left hanging....and stuff.

the point is that the series will air unfinished on AS

Inu-Yasha is already more than a 1/3 done on AS and is finished in japan.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

but the first box they released is box 4 that comes with two DVDs

you know you're in for a long series when a big anime series box comes with two DVDs...and the price isn't even all that expensive either...

yeah season 1 may finish but threads shall be left hanging....and stuff.

the point is that the series will air unfinished on AS

Inu-Yasha is already more than a 1/3 done on AS and is finished in japan.
But Inuyasha finished before the manga did, it didn't get any ending, if anything fans would be more upset about threads being left hanging in Inuyasha's case.

[William C. Maune]

yeah season 1 may finish but threads shall be left hanging....and stuff.

They could air all of the episodes that have aired so far in Japan and threads would still be left hanging. Currently, there is no way they can avoid leaving threads hanging.

[Gary L Thompson]

Dose the word copyright infringemnet ring a bell?

It would be a cool idea i'd watch however they would have to deal with the comapny in japan on that matter.That goes without saying. However, those types of deals were routinely made on SatAM for decades, so there's no reason to think it couldn't be done now.

The whole concept could be the problem. If it just doesn't appeal to a wide audiance, then it just doesn't appeal. I mean it's a little kid solving crimes for a few hundred episodes and sofar no conlcusion or closure has been reached about the incident in the first episode. Some people just don't really find it appealing or don't have the endurance to follow thru with it to the end. If it fails then you got the DVDs and the manga, if it doesn't then you have the DVDs, the manga, and a weekly showing...

however, compared to the success of IY people could just want action, on paper IY does sound better in concept...

Usualy the rule of thumb in cult classics is this,

get whatever mechandise is available and keep it

if it gets big then you're ahead of the game, if it doesn't, well you got everything you could out of it and just enjoy the memoriesActually, the detective genera traditionally has enjoyed a wider and more consistent audience than anime itself (not to mention other generas). Basically, the main problem has been coming up with good whodunits on a weekly basis, continuing to maintain quality even when the number of episodes outstrip the output of the greatest mystery writers over their lifetimes. Obviously that hasn't been a problem with "Detective Conan", but the main obstacle with getting the show into the American market has always been how to get past the preconceptions of kids shows and anime, and connect it with its natural audience (though I would imagine there must be at least some overlap between mystery and anime fandoms).

Besides the obvious action-appeal of Inuyasha, I would have to say both of their stories are basically identical on paper; I wouldn't reflexively dismiss Conan's storyline as being a turn-off for all viewers.

Comparison:
-Kagome shatters the jewel. Inuyasha is a half-demon who wants to become a normal demon. Spend entire series collecting jewel so he can become a demon; evil Naraku stands in his way.

-Shinichi/Jimmy swallows poison. Jimmy is stuck in another body and wants to become a normal teenager. Spend entire series searching for antidote of poison so he can become a teenager; evil Black Organization stands in his way.

Throughout the series, both Inuyasha & Jimmy/Shinichi occasionally revert back to the form they want to be in. Both have dilemmas about whether they really want to become what they are trying to become or whether to accept the way they are. (Kagome likes half-demon Inuyasha; Conan realizes 'I'm only young once' when hanging out with the JDL). Ultimately I think their stories have more in common than meets the eye..Not to mention they have very problematical relationships with their main squeezes, who alternate between being helpless damsels in need of rescue in one episode, and in the next, turning into raging forces of nature who rush to the rescue of their swains--when they're not intimidating them, that is! Inuyasha is torn between Kagome and Kikyo, while Conan faces the dilemma that it might be more practical to accept one of the two birds in hand (his female admirers in the Junior Detective League) rather than go after the bird in the bush (hoping he can keep Rachel dangling until he grows up....).

But Inu-yasha has a cast of different character personas

while the whole quest is essentialy the same, IY actualy ends...where as DC is well...still going on...

besides there is a lot more action in IY than ConanThere is one way that Conan can finally acheive his quest.....

Stop doing monster TV ratings and manga sales. Otherwise, he may have as much luck turning back to Jimmy as the castaways getting off "Gilligan's Island", Dr. Kimble finding the one-handed man, the Robinsons finding their way back to earth from space, Lum getting Ataru to the altar--you get the idea (not that the fans would necessarily be heartbroken if the show ran forever....).

They could air all of the episodes that have aired so far in Japan and threads would still be left hanging. Currently, there is no way they can avoid leaving threads hanging.There seems to be a general belief, though, that the manga ending will be eventually picked up in future Inuyasha movies.

[detective135]

Starting Nov. 8 funimation is going to stop showin case closed.But starting in the spring new episodes will start

[Beat]

Starting Nov. 8 funimation is going to stop showin case closed.But starting in the spring new episodes will start
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I honestly wouldn't mind if Detective Jimmy went away, never to return.

[Duke]

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Same here.

I honestly wouldn't mind if Detective Jimmy went away, never to return.
You're no fun.