C&C - Wolf's Rain - "Soul's Whereabouts" [9/25]

[The Landstander]

Uh, this is either OAV or a clip show.

Some help? =(

edit: nevermind got it

[Solitude1]

....why do I have the feeling that these OAV's are going to make me sad....like the Kikaider OAV's did...:(

[Demonic Raven]

Halfway through, and one major comment: Ahh! Pops! :eek:

Really great in terms of emotion for this episode so far. Poor pops. Blue is going to take this one hard, of course. :(

[PaQ]

I already forgotten how last week ended. lol, so the beginning got me a little lost.

Poor Pops. He seriously got his ass ran over by that car. :eek:

[Killtacular]

So the point of this series is...

to...


I dunno.

Never live for your dreams because then you'll die like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.

No seriously. The point of this OVA.. it's to piss the fans off by killing everyone, yes? I'm not so sure but I think I've got the gist.

[Demonic Raven]

Wow.

Even more and better emotion now. Holy crap though..feel bad for that dude. Only two seconds or so more and she would have lived. :(

Great episode though.

[FlyByNite77]

Ugh, they killed Cher? I liked her. How come Hige didn't die? He had all these wounds and I swear he was impaled thru his chest, then you see him at the start of the episode and he's got a wound to his shoulder.

[Strollymonster]

I really didn't see Cher's death coming...one second, she hands off Cheza, the next, the ice cracks and the self collapses...

A really emotional continuance, I hope the next episode keeps it up...

[Captain Zechs]

Wow this is such a sad episode :( :( :( Poor cher i really liked her to *crys* she was importan (i suppose) to.Hubb the idiot didnt even both to get her out he just stodd there!!!!

Ummm i missed what made the ground crack anyone wanna explain?

Good things:
-Advancement with the story
-Reunion
-Hige didnt die
-Pops and Blue still together

Bad things:
-Cher died
-Hubb lived (god i hate how his face has a huge line on it now, it never used to!?!?)
-Hottie Jagura is gone forever (i think) :(
-Cheza is like ummm dying? or maybe transforming??:sweat:
-Good character development between pops and blue and also with hubb.

Still this was a sad episode.

[Wounded_Dragon]

:mad: Of course they kill Cher before any of the annoying wolves. Just not my week...

Oh, anyone know how long these are supposed to run minus intro? My VCR counter only got to 19:28 without commercials.

[RD!]

I really, really hate this show. So far two of the three only likable characters in the show have died RANDOMLY. Yet with so much death, the episode still managed to be slow and dull as hell.

[Mog]

He was just wounded in the shoulder, and I guess Cheza helped keep him alive.

But man. That was sad. I never even saw it coming. One second things were fine, and then bam. Cher's dead. And how. Falling off of a cliff the size of a skyscraper in an armored car? That's got to suck. I'm surprised she didn't come out of it looking like meatwad.

[Steiner]

I can agree in that I didn't see that coming (Cher's death). A depressing episode in the end.

[Wolfie~Giri]

I remember two weeks ago me and my friend were talking about who would survive in wolf's rain and when i mentioned Hubb and Cher she replied they'd both make it through...so when Cher died I cried twice as hard....

Very emotional got to me easy..

they better find paradise...

no more deaths...I hope..

A+

[Artimus Gigan]

FYI the Cher thing was a rip-off of Final fantasy 7...Cloud did the same thign with Aeris

only the FF version had senseble emotion and was played out better

[Dark Soul]

Doesn't that piss you off. I mean whats the point of the OVAS if your just gonna snuff the characters one by one. Cher's gone I mean thats just wrong. And Quent got run over some stupid futuristic truck/car. Jeez man that was a bad/emotional episode 6/10.

[Solitude1]

....damn it.

Well, I should have known that the whole world be gone to hell in a handbasket now that Jagura is dead. Those soldiers....bastards....

Blue and Pops conversation was nice...before that thing happened....as soon as I saw the truck, I knew someone would get hit. I just didn't think Pops would push her out of the way.

Even though I hated him in the beginning, I've grown to like his character. Though honestly....I don't see what purpose he has now...still, I was sad to see that happen to him.

I was actually happy when everyone was united. Blue and Hige's reunion brought a smile to my face.

I like Kiba's quote of humans always looking to the sky even though we can't fly. Doing what you can with what you have is definately a fact.

And just as everything is ok....the car wrecks. I think ok, lets hope everyone is alright.

I see Cher hand Cheza to Hubb...and then I see the ice break. I didn't start crying til they started talking for the last time...

Damn it. Stupid shows getting me attached to fictional characters.:(

Just like Hubb and the wolfs, I'm going to keep going and keep watching this show.

Just damn it.

[Dark Soul]

FYI the Cher thing was a rip-off of Final fantasy 7...Cloud did the same thign with Aeris

only the FF version had senseble emotion and was played out betterExcept Aeris and Cloud were never married or divorced.

[Artimus Gigan]

Except Aeris and Cloud were never married or divorced.Minor difference

I'm talking about the burial scene

[Youko Recca]

So far two of the three only likable characters in the show have died RANDOMLY.
You liked that stupid kid who fell from the large height at the beggining of the series? Okay...but all he did was freak out and, well,....die. But I commend you for remembering him.

[Dark Soul]

Minor difference

I'm talking about the burial sceneTrue silly WR trying to rip off a scene from FF7.

[RD!]

You liked that stupid kid who fell from the large height at the beggining of the series? Okay...but all he did was freak out and, well,....die. But I commend you for remembering him.
It's funny because that annoying kid with the... hammer... was still less annoying than any of the wolves or enemies.

[Wounded_Dragon]

Minor difference

I'm talking about the burial scene
Cleansing by water in death isn't exactly a new concept...

Beisdes, who cares how she was buried. That plot twist is almost mean-spirited in nature.

[Captain Zechs]

i think i remem,ber that kid...anyone know what happened to that girl toeboy met in the beggining i thought she was a cool character and then she well...dissappeared lol

[Demonic Raven]

This episode definetly got to me. When Cher was falling I just remembered back to when Hubb was talking about all the stuff they were going to do (living together, getting a dog etc). Then he began doing that again when she was dying with the whole white bird deal.

Kiba's quote about humans flying was true. Very.

[Botman]

Ok, this episode confirms what I've been speculating since day one.

This entire series is just like the last 2 episodes of Blue Gender.

Just anti-human, nature-loving, pure CRAP, that I shouldn't have bothered with in the first place.


Seriously, it's one thing to make humans nothing more than pawns in your series, but to have them actually accept the fact that they're worthless? And to just roll over and accept death?

Evidently, in Wolf's Rain land, virtues such as "pride" and "dignity" are only available to the almighty wolf/god race...

God, those damn wolves make me sick...

[JetMaster5]

Oh that's just peachy. Kill off any characters that keeps this show interesting. This show is going to the toilet dump fast.

[Youko Recca]

I wonder what's hated on more...this or Sealab? As for the episode itself...not bad, her death came out of nowhere. But it's no Alchemist.

[Dark Soul]

And it was pretty stupid to kill off Cher. Hubb and her were gonna have a life together. The terminator buzzer says Cher you have been snuffed bing bing.

[PickHut]

More wandering scenes + deaths of people that actually kept the show interesting = wtf. If this is what we're gonna go through with the next 3 ovas, they should've just ended it at episode 26.

[Artimus Gigan]

If you people want good nature loving crap watch Arjuna

Ya know they had a good concept but really way too much mindscrew was added...stuff just doesn't add up...and the plotting that could have really sued some work, it's just for an ill attempt at shockvalue

[Botman]

And it was pretty stupid to kill off Cher. Hubb and her were gonna have a life together. The terminator buzzer says Cher you have been snuffed bing bing.
No. You got it wrong.

See, Cher and Hub are human.

And, according to this show, all humans are worthless pieces of garbage.

Only the wolves, our true lords and masters, are allowed to feel joy.

:mad:

[Beat]

Kikaider 01 was about a million times better. Because in context, their deaths had meaning.

[Patches]

... Crap. Usually my favorite character in a series never dies, since I'm always drawn to the comic characters for some reason, and comic relief never dies, but... this show doesn't really HAVE much comic relief in it, so that pretty much means everyone's screwed.

But... gah. I really hate this "random death" thing. I know people have tendencies to die without warning in real life, but usually for the sake of storytelling, there's at least some sort of foreshadowing. But, no, it's just all of a sudden out of nowhere.... *BAM* car. *BAM* crumbling ice. And *BAM* there they go.

Usually it's not a good idea to kill off characters unless the character's death will spur other characters on to do something important, the death was made to prove the villain is a total jerkhole, or the character had nothing left to live for and it was more of a liberation.

I do not believe Cher fell into any of those categories. Unless the villain of the series is the writers, in which case, congratulations, they picked door number 2.

[Wolfie~Giri]

You liked that stupid kid who fell from the large height at the beggining of the series? Okay...but all he did was freak out and, well,....die. But I commend you for remembering him.
My guess Tsume was the cause of his death when he bit his neck to lift him up then in shock of the bite the kid fell....somehow..

you see the wolf..the bitting..the dropping..

[bluedeucedodge]

So far, many of you have said that Cher's death was pointless. Indeed it was unexpected, her death inspired Hubb to continue on. That proves that even with Cher dead, he still loves her enough to follow through with her wishes. After Cher's burial, he began to try to flip the vehicle over so that they could continue on their way. Her death showed Hubb's true character. I thought that it was a pretty good episode. It was sad to see Cher die, but it was also good to see that the pack is willing to continue on in search of paridise. I honestly don't think that they will achieve paridise, but I will tune in to see how the show ends.

[Beat]

I really hope the wolves don't make it to paradise. They've proven to be unlikable, and they're now even MORE unlikable.

[Solitude1]

I have to ask one question: Why are the wolfs dislikeable to any of you? And you give me good reasons damn it.

They are wolfs....not humans. Heh, I find it kinda ironic that most humans hate wolfs in the show and they are equally hated by most of the people here...

[Wounded_Dragon]

I have to ask one question: Why are the wolfs dislikeable to any of you? And you give me good reasons damn it.

They are wolfs....not humans. Heh, I find it kinda ironic that most humans hate wolfs in the show and they are equally hated by most of the people here...
1. They have unclear goals. We can't really sympathize with the righteoussness or lack thereof regarding their goals because they're never made clear. "They're searching for paradise" is too vague. What kind of paradise? Who's it for? Why does it exist?

2. They're not special. Since there's no special goal, all we're left with is them struggling through life wandering from place to place. We call those bums in real life.

3. They rarely have any standalone episodes that are interesting. Hard to enjoy a plot driven show if the plot tends to not go anywhere.

4. The show doesn't answer questions until the very last minute. They *finally* started to explain the WR universe a little bit around episode *13*. Jagura is explained and dealt with in two episodes. You can't get into the story if the best parts just fly by and you're left watching the pretty stuff.

5. Because the wolves *are* the star of the show, they catch the flak for all the flaws in the show.

[dawnyoshi]

ahem...a letter.

Dear Mr. Minami

In concern of episode 26 and it's big twist and ending...

**** you.

Sincerely,
Mike (Dawn Yoshi)

=/

I think that's all that needs to be said.

[Vu Man]

That was an interesting move from Pops, especially what he said right before about how he'll never start liking wolves. Blue has to be incredibly strong to be able to carry his body around like that.

I was very saddened by Cher's death. I agree with Matt about the reason behind her death was to traumitize us as viewers however I believe the series Saikano is even more nefarious in doing such things.

I liked Bob Bucholz's performance at the end. He is a very good actor and made the scene come to life. Also despite the end of episode 26, I'm glad Hubb reacted the way he did by going on with the journey. I was worried he'd become a vegetable but thank goodness he's not like that.

[Batsy]

Well, then... that's a *****. I knew what was going to happen since I've been spoiled, but it it still sucked. I liked Cher a lot, but I guess it didn't effect me as bad as it might've if I didn't know. I can't seem to get to worked up over anything on this show, except for the fact that the writers are real jerkoffs.

I like the show, but it's pretty damn pointless. The animation and music are great, but the characters I actually like, Cher, Hubb, Quent, and Blue are unimportant to the story. They can dream about going to paradise all they want to, but of course they won't get there.

[CaptainRed]

So the point of this series is...

to...


I dunno.

Never live for your dreams because then you'll die like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.

No seriously. The point of this OVA.. it's to piss the fans off by killing everyone, yes? I'm not so sure but I think I've got the gist.

Heh.

I'm not even sure what to say to that... I don't like this series enough to rally at its defense, and a part of me thinks you may be right. I'm not used to agreeing with your cynicism and misanthropy. ;¬)

I really, really hate this show. So far two of the three only likable characters in the show have died RANDOMLY. Yet with so much death, the episode still managed to be slow and dull as hell.

Two? Who was the other one?

... the kid from the beginning? Really?

Sheesh... I'd almost totally forgotten about him. I thought he was alright, but nothing special. So who's your third pick?

I'd say they miraged out one of my favorites, and another just suffered severe head trauma. Hubb I got rather attached to, and I hope he remains interesting. Darcia finally managed to become interesting, but I'm betting two-to-one he isn't coming back(the one being if my suspicion about where all this is going is true). Blue is the only "real" four legged character that's interesting to me at all. And... none of these characters have a very large share off the series. They're all in it just enough to keep me watching.

FYI the Cher thing was a rip-off of Final fantasy 7...Cloud did the same thign with Aeris

only the FF version had senseble emotion and was played out better

Aeris died?!?!!!!1


;¬)

Cleansing by water in death isn't exactly a new concept...

Beisdes, who cares how she was buried. That plot twist is almost mean-spirited in nature.

It's close. It's not quite up to Futurama levels of audience punishment, but it was a respectable effort nonetheless.

This episode definetly got to me. When Cher was falling I just remembered back to when Hubb was talking about all the stuff they were going to do (living together, getting a dog etc). Then he began doing that again when she was dying with the whole white bird deal.

Kiba's quote about humans flying was true. Very.

When you put it like that, the scene is far more cliched than it felt. It's the "too much to be happy for" law of movies: Any character who reveals that he has a large family, longs for more time with his or her spouse/fiancee, or is about to come into some long awaited good fortune will inevitably be killed. Exceptions would include cases like Hubb's, where his imminent death might ease some of his suffering.

And the Kiba quote is not as profound as a few of you seem to be implying. It's sophistry at best...

But, if you'd like a slightly misused quote in return: "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars."(Oscar Wilde)

Kikaider 01 was about a million times better. Because in context, their deaths had meaning.

Kikaider 01 was a million times worse, because it (semi)extended that piece of crap series...

Further, it is now pretty much up to Hubb to determine whether Cher's death meaning.

Technically, that's the way it is in all stories -- what others do and what happens thereafter.

(I really need to get over my hatred for Kikaider... the series I really want to focus my hatred on is Blue Gender. Then again, I think I have enough to go around)

I have to ask one question: Why are the wolfs dislikeable to any of you? And you give me good reasons damn it.

They are wolfs....not humans. Heh, I find it kinda ironic that most humans hate wolfs in the show and they are equally hated by most of the people here...

Or else what?

... oh, wait, you didn't say, "or else." Crap. Wait -- that's good! Hahah! I can give you a mediocre or a bad reason if I so choose, with no consequences! Yes!

(eee... after starting a bit of this, I read further and saw Wounded Dragon's post. He pretty much nailed it. I'll see if I can come up with anything else.)

I don't think I actually dislike the wolves... I just find them unsympathetic. They strive for a generality. Like Wounded Dragon said, the vagueness of the goal prevents us from finding attachment in it.

This story has, for a long time, reminded me of "the Musicians of Bremen."(Folktale I remember from when I was very young... it's old enough, you should be able to google for it.) The difference between Rain and Bremen is that Bremen is very short, and does not outlive its storyline. The animals searched for their goal, and then the search ended.(trying not to play spoiler here ;¬)

Jokes can suffer from the same ailment. Have you ever seen a skit that was funny at first, but then seemed to drag? You can only laugh at a man with underwear on his head for so long until it gets old.

Also as WD said, the wolves' characters are flat. Kiba is searching for paradise. That's it... that's pretty much all his character is. Toboe is searching for paradise... and he's the needy one. Tsume is searching for paradise, and he's the gruff one. Oh! And he feels bad for dropping the hammer kid, so he's trying to make up for it by being more patient with Toboe. Then there's Hige. He's... what is he again?

I agree with another one of WD's points, but with an alteration: it isn't the lack of standalone episode per se, but the lack of subordinate and/or separate goals, trials, and challenges. The best episodes of the series have been the ones where something other than the search for paradise takes center stage.

Mmm... I guess a lot of that was just rephrasing WD's points. Nice job, Wounded Dragon. :¬)

(The plural of "wolf" is "wolves" by the way)

*honks hugs and whatever else*
Cappy Red

[Umino]

No seriously. The point of this OVA.. it's to piss the fans off by killing everyone, yes? I'm not so sure but I think I've got the gist.
I've heard rumors Wolf's Rain pulls a Sailor Moon. Everyone dies, and are reborn, and don't remeber each other..

That's just what I heard, I don't know if it's true or not..

[True Noir]

No! Damn it! Why did Cher have to die!!? She was so cool and one of my favorite characters. I feel so bad for Hubb. Damn... that must of sucked really bad for him.

When Blue and HIge reunited was pretty beautiful, too.

This week gets an 4/5. One point taken off because Cher died.

[Master Moron]

Did anyone else get pissed off when Tsume called Blue a half breed? Damn wolf.

Anyway, I thought the music they played when Cher died was way too peaceful and tranquil. Why didn't they play music that actually made the audience feel sad?

[Beat]

Kikaider 01 was a million times worse, because it (semi)extended that piece of crap series...

Further, it is now pretty much up to Hubb to determine whether Cher's death meaning.

Technically, that's the way it is in all stories -- what others do and what happens thereafter.

(I really need to get over my hatred for Kikaider... the series I really want to focus my hatred on is Blue Gender. Then again, I think I have enough to go around)
I'll be the first to admit that, except for the last 5 minutes, Kikaider 01 was horrible. But Wolf's Rain is even worse. No one's likable, there's no emotion other than "Humans are teh suck, wolf's rule!" When Yoko Kanno music can't redeem a show (Remember, her music made Brain Powered watchable) you know it's beyond bad.

[adrchick]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the opening sequence with Darcia's Grandfather (Darcia the First) that AS cut out. It really helps with setting the tone for the last four episodes, as well as explaining what is happening to the planet.

[Demonic Raven]

Did anyone else get pissed off when Tsume called Blue a half breed? Damn wolf.

Anyway, I thought the music they played when Cher died was way too peaceful and tranquil. Why didn't they play music that actually made the audience feel sad? It sounded too much like something coming out of "Inuyasha". Sesshomaru to be exact.:p

The scene was sad enough, and I wasn't really paying attention to the music anyway.

[MiltonBradley]

The fatal flaw in Wolf's Rain is that the villain is an infintely more interesting character than the heroes. Take Cowboy bebop, for example. You might think Vicious is a cool character, but he's basically one-dimensional and there's no question that you're cheering for Spike all the way.

That's not the case with Wolf's Rain. Darcia is a complex, dynamic character, while Kiba and the wolves are one-dimensional and largely unsympathetic. The result is that you end up cheering against them. What hurts the series even more is that Darcia disappears for long periods of time, so the show is left without it's best character.

[Deadly Messiah]

Wow, what a good episode. NOt the best, but hot damn that sucks for Cher. I mean I knew she was going to die (thanks to someone on this board before for ruining it), but I didn't expect her to go like that. Holy &*_)%*@#)_&%#)_*%)_*%()# %( Batman!

Only 3 more weeks of having to stay up until 1am to watch this though, it feels nice.

As of right now though, I am still not buying the DVDs.

[True Noir]

Did anyone else get pissed off when Tsume called Blue a half breed? Damn wolf.

Anyway, I thought the music they played when Cher died was way too peaceful and tranquil. Why didn't they play music that actually made the audience feel sad?
Yeh, I did. I thought that just wasn't right. First thing I thought of was Inuyasha and that's probably why I got a little mad.

Cher, the way she died, was the saddest. The slow motion just made me even more sad. When I saw that scene, I kept yelling "No!". Man! I thought she was going to survive some how, but I was wrong.

[Demon Child]

This episode was pretty good. It brought ALL the main characters together, which was something I didnt think could happen.

The moments with Blue and Quent talking were nice. The Blue/Hige reunion was sweet too.

Cher's death was completely unexpected. I did not see that coming. Poor Hubb.

[MiltonBradley]

BTW... spoiler tags, folks. Spoiler tags.

[Wounded_Dragon]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the opening sequence with Darcia's Grandfather (Darcia the First) that AS cut out. It really helps with setting the tone for the last four episodes, as well as explaining what is happening to the planet.
Well, I guess that explains why the episode was only 19:28 or so instead of the usual approx 21.

Between raging at the show for killing Cher and just not knowing that there was a cut besides it being curiously short...

[Pimmelmann]

Can't the writers be charged with something for their senseless murder of Cher?

Why didn't we just have an anvil fall out of the sky and crush her? Oh, she was so purty, too.

[The_Dominion]

Man, if you people hate the characters you like dieing repeatedly, you are going to hate FMA .

[Tapout]

Did anyone else get pissed off when Tsume called Blue a half breed? Damn wolf.It got on my nerves for a different reason. In this show, wolves are thinking, feeling beings, correct? If Blue is a half breed, it would mean that somewhere down the line, a wolf had sex with a dog, which as far as I can tell, is still just a dog in Wolf's Rain. Kinda disturbing.

[Solitude1]

Just in case anyone wants it....I was able to find a summary of the first two mins of last night's ep that was cut.

Darcia I(same voice as the owl, hint hint): *opens the Book of the Moon* [scenes of the towns and landscapes we've seen previously in the series, all in much worse condition, frozen over, and destroyed, are shown] When are we born...? When do we die...? Why are we born...? Why do we die...? This planet is destroyed and revived repeatedly... It was revived as Paradise... up to now... and even in the future... Rutenlinne, this world is Paradise, left open by someone... and this era...is coming to an end. Rather than original nature, I've obtained the way of living... but the time has come for this world to end. I lost hope in a world that's going to end. My destiny has withered away like a flower. And everything is breaking away like a trail of dust... As if everything is being purified, the ice is closing in on this world. In order to return to the beginning of time... Paradise is a world someone left open...
Wow....way to screw people over Williams Street. Man...this and last week's ending being cut. Yet we can always keep Blue at the end of Cowboy Bebop. I just don't get them sometimes.

[Mrs._Tom_Ato]

[OVERBLOWN HYSTERICS]

MAN!!!! This episode ruined my Saturday! Just when the wolves and humans get together...just when Blue reunited with Hige...just when Hubb and Cher committed to stay together, no matter what happens...the writers pull some bull****, and Cher dies! When I saw that car fall down that ice cliff I got so angry I slammed my remote control on the floor! Yes, I know that's my fault for getting so attached to a drawing...but still, it didn't have to happen that way! Hubb, Cher, Quent, Blue, Hige, Tsume, Toboe, Kiba, Cheza...haven't they been through enough? They all already almost got killed in Jagara's city; you'd the producers would give them a frikkin' break! But nooooo!! Damn it, those guys had better find Paradise by the last episode, otherwise I just might go nuts!!!

[/OVERBLOWN HYSTERICS]

[Deadly Messiah]

What was cut from the ending to ep 26?

[Swordfish_II]

What was cut from the ending to ep 26?
Clips of Kiba taking Cheza, Toboe and Tsume helping Hige, Hubb and Cher are reunited, and Quent and Blue look on as Jagura's keep starts to collapse. And the song "Tell me what the rain knows" plays.

[TamaNeko]

Why the hell does AS have to cut all these important parts of the show? It's bad enought that they don't show the full OPs or EDs...but, this?

[Swordfish_II]

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Those screenshots come from a poster on the ASMB who put a clip up to download. Click the thumbnail to make it bigger.

[Gruntling]

Had I known that Wolf's Rain was not completely over I would have evaluated last week's episode a little better, but nonetheless I stand close to what I said earlier. As for Saturday night's episode, it was rather solid. I suppose the biggest stand-out was Cher's death, which I'm sure caught quite a few people off guard. Overall I believe her death has had the most emotional bearing on myself. Indeed a likeable character her passing was greatest thus far. Sadly, a happy ending for the couple would not come. As for the other characters, Blue seems very determined to change Quent. Their bonding moments were also quite emotional that I have to note. The wolves, however, I can feel no remorse for. While Paradise is obtainable to them, it is not to the characters who are suffering the most. Anyways outstanding ep. otherwise...

I give Soul's Whereabouts an A+.

[lostrune]

1. Wow, the roads covered with blood-red snow. That Jagara utopia has gone to hell real quick, huh.

2. I wonder how Hubb and Cher and the others managed to find the members of their groups but net each other's groups? :shrug:

3. Wow, yet another talk of half-breed in ASA....

4. Too much mushy stuff. Too bad Cher had to die just to end it. Good riddance. :p


It got on my nerves for a different reason. In this show, wolves are thinking, feeling beings, correct? If Blue is a half breed, it would mean that somewhere down the line, a wolf had sex with a dog, which as far as I can tell, is still just a dog in Wolf's Rain. Kinda disturbing.
Not necessarily. Remember that other mammal who Kiba met in his hallucinations.


Why the hell does AS have to cut all these important parts of the show? It's bad enought that they don't show the full OPs or EDs...but, this?
If CN had kept the original TV ending, the start of the OVAs would've confused you even more. Refer to my #2 above. The TV ending doesn't mean anything.

[herbkir]

It was them cutting out the opening monologue in this first OVA that really stank. That would have added significantly to the overall tone of this episode.

Cher's death was a real bummer. Here, she and Hubb had reconciled and were looking forward to their reunited lives, and then she has to die in a car wreck.

Maybe, though, the fact of their reconciliation was the peak of their story, and anything past that point would have been anticlimax. And her death gives Hubb a motivation for joining the wolves' search for Paradise, which he might not have wanted to do had Cher stayed alive. (^_*)

[Lachesis]

I just wanna say again how fantastic this dub is. The first time I saw this, Hub's reaction left be kinda - meh. The original VA overdid it a little.

This time it hurt.

[lostrune]

A couple people suggested these:

1. For a violent fall, Cher had no blood nor bruises at all. Of course, they gotta keep her body pristine for her Aerith-like death ritual. :D

2. Heck, why waste copying Aerith. Have they ever considered just giving Cher's body for the wolves to eat? Food is scarce. The wolves won't mind - they already ate carcass before (the deer). Think of it as "organ donation" - Cher's organs may just save the lives of others. And it ain't cannibalism neither, for wolves. :D

[ClockStomper]

Having Tsume call Blue a half-breed only makes us hate the one dimensional wolves more. Yeah, insult the only Wolf who is remotley sympathetic. Just die already.

And Hige being alive is craping on continuity. The sword hit him dead center in the heart, and about 75% of his blood spurted out. They're just taking advantage of the fact that we hate it enough not to remember.

[raykremer]

No seriously. The point of this OVA.. it's to piss the fans off by killing everyone, yes? I'm not so sure but I think I've got the gist.
I was really mad when they killed Cher, yes. After that, naw. Quent was old and virtually on his deathbed anyway. With Cher gone, Hubb doesn't have much of an excuse to go on. The wolves I stopped caring about long before, with the exception of Blue. Plus I figured out pretty quickly that killing everyone is exactly what they were going to do. But hey, there's a big finish Kiba/Darcia fight at the end, and Cheza turns into a tree.

So far, many of you have said that Cher's death was pointless. Indeed it was unexpected, her death inspired Hubb to continue on. That proves that even with Cher dead, he still loves her enough to follow through with her wishes.
Phhhpt. Hubb keeps going and helps the wolves because he's got nothing better to do what with the world ending and all. With Cher gone he really doesn't have any meaning to his life. Trying to find Cher and get back together with her is what defined his character from the start.

[OmegaX80]

Cartoonnetwork.com says that next week is the last episode... is that right?

[Swordfish_II]

Cartoonnetwork.com says that next week is the last episode... is that right?
They used the show's title to fill in the episode slot.

[raykremer]

Cartoonnetwork.com says that next week is the last episode... is that right?
Okay, one more time.

WR has 30 episodes. 22 normal TV epsiodes plus 4 recap TV epsiodes plus 4 OVA episodes. Pull out the recaps, like CN did, and you've got your typical 26 episode series. Going by that count, this Saturday's ep is number 24.

[PaQ]

I hadn't really been finishing my thoughts on AS shows lately so I thought I'd start now.. Better late than never.

Anyway.. Damn, this episode was really sad, and the OVA's really didn't get off to a good start in my opinion. I can't believe they'd kill Cher, that was so shocking, I certainly didn't like that part. I liked the idea of Hubb and Cher being together after this whole mess, and it was just sad to see her die like that and have his dreams of his paradise with her crushed like that. :mad:

I was fine with Quent possibly kicking the bucket, especially when he got run over by the car, Blue and he made their peace, but he still was stubborn and wouldn't change his attitude towards wolves (I'm guessing he didn't want the years he's spent chasing wolves to be all for naught.) so when he got hit, it was surprising but an acceptable loss. I just can't say the same concerning Cher. :(

I'm not surprised to hear that there were some things cut from 26, because I really was a bit clueless at first when the episode started, wondering how they got together like that.

"Soul's Whereabouts" gets a D.

[MattThomasM2B]

I guess I'm going to have to match the opinions of others on this thread and say that Cher's death was pretty pointless, unless the writers just felt like being jerks. "Is Higei going to die?!? How about the old guy!? They're both bleed really bad!!! NO!!!! Cher dies, totally making everything Hubb went through pointless! Yayyy!!!"

[Mrs._Tom_Ato]

was fine with Quent possibly kicking the bucket, especially when he got run over by the car, Blue and he made their peace, but he still was stubborn and wouldn't change his attitude towards wolves (I'm guessing he didn't want the years he's spent chasing wolves to be all for naught.) so when he got hit, it was surprising but an acceptable loss.Well, Quent should believe what Blue said, but can you blame him? You forget, his entire family was murdered in cold blood. His belief that the wolves killed them, and the possibility of getting even just an iota of revenge, has been the only thing that's kept him alive this long. He NEEDS to believe that wolves killed his family. He couldn't possibly do anything to get back at the soldiers that actually burned his village, but by blaming the wolves and hunting them, he knows he has a shot at killing them and thus avenging his family's death. Also don't forget that Quent knows Blue has the same powers/ shapeshifting capabilities as a wolf, so there's probably some mistrust on his part. Besides, if Quent died, Blue would be as heartbroken about it as Hubb is now heartbroken as Cher, so maybe next time you should think more about a character's motivations before you dismiss them.

[Vagrant]

I guess I'm going to have to match the opinions of others on this thread and say that Cher's death was pretty pointless, unless the writers just felt like being jerks. "Is Higei going to die?!? How about the old guy!? They're both bleed really bad!!! NO!!!! Cher dies, totally making everything Hubb went through pointless! Yayyy!!!"

Humans and wolves, live pointless lives and die pointless deaths.

Humans and wolves, desire for things that are fleeting and meaningless.

But, for humans and wolves, meaningless desires give us the strength to live.

'Paradise', when all of our desires are fulfilled and we want for nothing.

But, what gives us our desire to live but want?

So what is paradise?

Quent understood perfectly.