People are Scum

[SilverKnight]

Taken from the BBC News Website:

Puppy was treated as a football

A passer-by walking near Temple Park leisure centre, South Shields, rescued her when he saw her being thrown about.
He took the six to eight-week-old Labrador cross to St Francis Animal Rescue, in South Shields.

Vets found out she had suffered brain damage and been blinded and decided it was kindest to put her down.

The man took the puppy home where it kept falling over and would not eat and so on Monday he took her to St Francis Animal Rescue.
The puppy, who was called Maddy by animal rescue workers, was put on a drip and given injections but then started having fits every 10 minutes and vets advised the kindest thing would be to put her down.

'Learn lesson'

Ms Mercer, who has worked with St Francis Animal Rescue for 15 years, said she had been devastated by the incident.

She said: "It was the most dreadful thing I have seen in all my rescue time, and I have seen some terrible things.

"This was a tiny baby that hadn't even had a life. It will stay with me for a long time.

"I want people to see what has been done. I would like to think someone will learn a lesson from this."

St Francis Animal Rescue was set up around 25 years ago and cares for and rehomes homeless animals and helps people in the community by offering a neutering service, to reduce the number of unwanted animals.

It is run by volunteers and relies on donations.

Northumbria Police said they were trying to find out what happened to the dog and were making inquiries in the park.

They are appealing for anyone with information and the puppy's owner to contact them.The original link can be found here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tyne/wear/3659090.stm).

This is so fricken wrong. So very wrong. That's just...>shakes head< It's things like this that remind me of my general dislike of humanity. :mad:

[ToOn~g@l]

That is just terrible, completely and utterly terrible. What is this world coming to? Why would someone want to kill a puppy any way, they are just too sweet and innocent, but I guess many people in this world don't seem to care about that. Those people deserve spending the rest of their life in jail.:mad:

[TimTwoFace]

I concurr. Animal cruelty/murder/etc when NOT for the sake of feeding yourself should be something that should be charged with more than just a ban. Seriously, that should mean jail time for these people.

Sick and disgusting.

-Tim

[ZorBrak]

That is just terrible, completely and utterly terrible. What is this world coming to? Why would someone want to kill a puppy any way, they are just too sweet and innocent, but I guess many people in this world don't seem to care about that. Those people deserve spending the rest of their life in jail.:mad:Punishment for such crimes should be terminaton. Jail is insufficient for the wicked.

[Pyro]

That is horrible. I can't imagine anyone doing something like that. Poor doggy. If I had a puppy I would hug it and squeeze it and love it forever. Sorry for the Elmyra moment but it's true.

[Mek]

I hate being a human. :mad:

[cross blues]

how morbid... the thought of something like that makes me sick to my stomach. I think the proper punishment would be heavy fines and maybe jail time. And things like this should be included on a permanent criminal record, because the behavior is possibly psychotic and, in my opinion, a person who would abuse a defenseless animal for amusement could be a danger to society. If they would do something like that for fun, who's to know what other sick things they might try.

[Czar Gato]

Humanity is a strange thing indeed. We are the most altruistic, intelligent, rationally-thinking species on Earth, yet some of us take joy in needlessly hurting other animals- both of other species and our fellow man. Perplexing. :sad:

[Fone Bone]

THIS is how serial killers are born.

I agree, there needs to be a stiffer punishment for animal cruelty. Aside from it being a reprehensible act it is also an indicator that the person will be hurting people next. Whoever does something like this needs to be kept off the streets.

I wouldn't mind permanently.

[Borg4of3]

I hate being a human. :mad:Okay, I'll tackle a different angle here. Why do we say stuff like this? Why do we say, "Humanity sucks," when we see bad things happen? I don't think any of you are completely serious, but its still aggravating to see. What about the woman who took the puppy in? What about the vets who did what they could to help? I hate when all humanity is insulted due to the actions of a few. Whatever - I can't articulate my frustration at seeing these types of comments.

And maybe I'm just a bit forgiving, or maybe overly idealistic, but... Termination? Life Imprisonment? Overboard much?

[sun]

Humanity is a strange thing indeed. We are the most altruistic, intelligent, rationally-thinking species on Earth, yet some of us take joy in needlessly hurting other animals- both of other species and our fellow man. Perplexing. :sad: We can be the best, and the worst, think with kindess, and hurt, I am with Czar Gata, how can one species be so good and yet so bad, not just to animals, as described in the link but to our own children, as described in so many unbelieveable stories is the last few years...Perplexing is correct, very perplexing:sad: Stuart

[randomguy]

And maybe I'm just a bit forgiving, or maybe overly idealistic, but... Termination? Life Imprisonment? Overboard much?
Thank you.

This is a terrible act, to be sure, but both of those punishments are absurdly over-reaching.

[Emmanuel Cruz]

Man, what this jerk did makes me super disturbed. My beloved dog Princess had to be put asleep because of her age and respiratory problems, but to see an adorable puppy be put asleep for the effects of that cruelty is heartbreaking.:(

Maybe we should kick the guy who did this a bit around, then see how it is. I'm not an advocate against animal cruelty, but stuff like this makes me think otherwise.

Sadly, this pup had its life so short. But now it can be friends with my dog up there.:)

-Emmanuel:bosko:

[Cartman]

If someone did something like that to any of my pets, I'd probably do the same to them.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Caffeine King]

That's terrible!

I hope that somebody beats who ever did that to that poor puppy around! :mad:

That's so terible to know that there are cruel a******* like that in the world! :mad:

I agree, Cartman...if I ever saw somebody try to hit my dog, or hurt him in any way...I dunno what I'd do... :mad: (I know I wouldn't let them get away with it...:mad: )

[Evil & Lovin It]

WTF!?!?!:mad: :mad: :mad:

What a ****ing ****head. If I ever found that person, or someone like them doing that to an animal I would beat the living **** out of them with my bare hands! :mad:

:mad: :mad: :mad:
Okay, I'll tackle a different angle here. Why do we say stuff like this? Why do we say, "Humanity sucks," when we see bad things happen? I don't think any of you are completely serious, but its still aggravating to see. What about the woman who took the puppy in? What about the vets who did what they could to help? I hate when all humanity is insulted due to the actions of a few. Whatever - I can't articulate my frustration at seeing these types of comments.

And maybe I'm just a bit forgiving, or maybe overly idealistic, but... Termination? Life Imprisonment? Overboard much?Yeah you do have a point there. Some people tend to concentrate on the bad side of something more when they are angry. It's just one of the many stange things humans do.
We can be the best, and the worst, think with kindess, and hurt, I am with Czar Gata, how can one species be so good and yet so bad, not just to animals, as described in the link but to our own children, as described in so many unbelieveable stories is the last few years...Perplexing is correct, very perplexing:sad: StuartYep. It seems as though fickleness and hypocrisy are woven into our very nature, we are rational, yet so very ridiculous, wise, yet so very ignorant, proud of everything we do, yet so very self-hating. :shrug:

[Fone Bone]

Thank you.

This is a terrible act, to be sure, but both of those punishments are absurdly over-reaching.
I'm of two minds of this. Yeah, the death penalty is way too much but a long time behind bars (even life) doesn't sound so far-fetched to me. I'm not sure I'd like the idea of punishing people for crimes they haven't commited yet, but torturing animals is a sign of someone hurting people next. The penalty HAS to be stiff.

I wouldn't want to live near someone who did that to a dog. They could be unhinged and dangerous.

[Cartman]

Here is a website that tells you about all sorts of animal cruelty in the world.

http://www.wspa.org.uk/index.php?ilocale=2

[Chris Wood]

That's bad, but check out the current news story about the guys who filmed themselves skinning and disemboweling a live cat for "art."

TORONTO (Reuters) - Protesters urged ticket-holders outside a Toronto cinema on Tuesday to boycott a documentary about a vicious animal cruelty case in which three friends filmed the skinning of a live cat as an alleged art project.

Freedom for Animals, a Toronto group, has organized daily protests at the Toronto International Film Festival. Nearly 100 animal lovers went to Tuesday's demonstration when "Casuistry: The Art of Killing a Cat" made its world premiere.


The 91-minute documentary contains interviews with the three cat killers -- Jesse Power, Anthony Wennekers and Matt Kaczorowski -- as well as animal activists, artists, police and journalists. It does not show the cat's mutilation and death.


Power enlisted Wennekers and Kaczorowski in May 2001 to make a video that Power, an ex-vegetarian, said was an artistic statement about the suffering of animals used for meat.


They filmed a cat as they tempted it with a mouse, then skinned and decapitated and disemboweled it, and left its body dangling from the ceiling. Power intended to eat the cat, but never got the chance. The skinned cat was found in the beer fridge of the house where he lived.

Sick bastards.

[SilverKnight]

Oh, ewwww. That's just...ew. Skinning a live cat? That's terrible! :mad:

[tucsoncoyote]

well after reading this... and thinking.. Killing an animal or torturing it is just as bad.. but I think what is worse, is when Humanity dumps on itself...

case in point (and yes this was in the news a few days ago.. even got onto CNN)



Man Tosses Baby Out of Moving Car



Green Bay, WI (AP- Sep 14) A man being chased by Green Bay police slowed down and tossed his fiancee's eight-month-old daughter out of the moving car on Tuesday, while she was still strapped into her car seat.

The seat, with the baby in it, tumbled across the highway but she was not seriously injured. The 23-year-old driver was killed when the car crashed into an unoccupied police car and rolled over.

(This is just one (http://www.cfra.com/headlines/index.asp?cat=2&nid=19426)of the articles I found. There are others out there but you get the idea.)

So what do I think of this? Well I being a lover of animals can understand and empathize about what the vets had to do in the first case.. but in this instance.. What gives a 23 year old man the right to toss his own Duaghter to be out of a moving car? I mean has humanity become so lowly and Depreaved that all we are, are thinking animals who can make illogical irrational judgements and Kill or Torture other people/Animals? if that's the case.. the why doesn't an asteroid that is 5 miles wide come along and just wipe out humanity? If't that's the case.. then bring it on..

That's all I really have to say.

:coyote:

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

i was a jerk when i posted this ignore it

[Master Moron]

You know, this thread brung up a bad memory for me, something I have regretted for over a decade. When I was very young, maybe 7 or 8, some kids were putting one of the neighbor's cats in a bag and throwing it in the air. They thought it was funny to watch it run away in fright when the bag landed. And well, I was probably the youngest kid there and I suppose I didn't know any better so I participated in throwing the kitten in the air. I still feel terrible about it even to this day.

Of course, the kitten wasn't injured, and I recieved a tongue lashing from the owner of the cat. But, the worst part of it wasn't what that poor cat went through, but the fact that as a young kid I was completely willing to go along with what those other kids were doing. Luckily, I've grown and changed, and I'm thankful that the cat didn't get hurt. But, still, I hate the fact that I did something like that. The fact that I was so willing to go along with peer pressure makes me wonder what other things I would have done at a young age. I so wish I could go back in time and pick up the cat and bring him to the owner and tell him what those kids were doing, instead of being one of the bad guys and being a willing participant in what can only be considered an act of cruelty to an animal.

You know, now that I think about it. I think this may have been a defining event in my life. Because later in my life, I never went along with peer pressure. It almost seems like I went from one extreme to the other. I think this event scarred me for life.

[Nick K.]

And why is this THAT bad again?

I think 5 monthes is enough time in prison. Maybe the dog was annoying. I hate when people get stuff like this overblown. They act like doing this to a puppy is like a holocaust.

WTH? The puppy was annoying so torture it? That's just foolish.

Call people scum is going overboard, as well. I never hurt an animal in my life... or a person. I am a person, as well. Why am I scum?

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

i was a jerk here too

[Caffeine King]

If the puppy is "annoying" in my meaning of the word, it nips at you, craps on things it knows not to, barks at people it's become acquanited to, keeps you up at night and makes an overall jack*** of itself I would get rid of it as in bring it to a shelter for the next fool that wants it, but not torture it.

If you haven't noticed...all puppies nip, crap, and bark at people...

It's called not being housebroken.

So if you'd buy a puppy and put it in a shelter the next day then maybe you're not responsible enough for a puppy or need to learn some patience... :shrug:

Or maybe you're just not a dog person, I dunno... :sweat:

[Fieryone]

That's a pretty sad story.:(

[Frank Castle]

Too bad vigilantism is against the law. If it wasn't I'd hunt down those pieces of crap and blow them full of holes.

[randomguy]

Too bad vigilantism is against the law. If it wasn't I'd hunt down those pieces of crap and blow them full of holes.
Oh, please. This is real-life, not a friggin' Marvel comic book. Get over yourself.

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

i was a jerk here too

[Frank Castle]

Oh, please. This is real-life, not a friggin' Marvel comic book. Get over yourself.I didn't mean it literally.:rolleyes:

[Caffeine King]

I never said anything about buying a puppy and returning it the next day, did I?

Sorry, I read it wrong...

When you said "the next fool..." I thought you said "the next day..." :sweat:

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

It's fine, don't worry about it.

[The Detective]

It's really disturbing that there are people out there that could do something like that. Of course it's disturbing that there's anyone out there that could murder a human being. So yeah, there's a whole lotta sickos running around.

At the same time, calling people and humanity in general "scum" and stuff like that is overkill. As is giving someone life in prison for this. Some prison time, yeah. Life? Waaaaay overkill.

[Kurtman]

Dislike/Hate of the entire human race is a tad bit genocidal,don't you think? Many people out there care for animals but I do agree with you that the puppy was treated like crap. That innocent puppy did not deserve that at all.

[randomguy]

I didn't mean it literally.:rolleyes:
Then you need to use some smilies or work on conveying tone in your text.

[PaQ]

Wow. That's terrible to hear what happened to the poor puppy, to get abused like that. Hard to imagine someone would mistreat an animal like that, but sadly that goes on. It would be nice if they could catch whoever did it, but it sounds like it would be pretty hard to do that.

[Nick K.]

No it isn't.

If the puppy is "annoying" in my meaning of the word, it nips at you, craps on things it knows not to, barks at people it's become acquanited to, keeps you up at night and makes an overall jack*** of itself I would get rid of it as in bring it to a shelter for the next fool that wants it, but not torture it.

Okay, well when you first responded you asked why it was bad... you didn't refer to what. Some would assume the current conversation/ topic of this thread. Maybe you could be clearer next time. And, people are annoying too but you can't give up on them.

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

Alright, sorry Master. I don't get any food tonight, right? :p

Well, you see, if I didn't know the dog or see the dog, then I wouldn't care. If it was for somebody nearby that I could help I would care.

[Nick K.]

Notice how I said could. =]

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

well after reading this... and thinking.. Killing an animal or torturing it is just as bad
I see nothing wrong with killing an animal. I see some wrong with torturing them, though.

[Elven Moon]

That poor puppy. It makes me think of my own little dog and wonder how people can be so cruel.

[Caffeine King]

I see nothing wrong with killing an animal. I see some wrong with torturing them, though.
So if you saw someone come up to my dog, or any other innocent dog for that matter, and they killed it you wouldn't see anything wrong with that? :shrug:

If there was a rabid dog trying to hurt or kill me (or anyone else) then I wouldn't see anything wrong with killing it (you'd be putting it out of it's misery...)

But killing a random, innocent dog or cat or whatever I think is wrong... :shrug:

[LightShadow1890]

Okay, hurting a puppy just for fun is just sick. I have a dog, and i care for it deeply. I would totally go berserk when someone hurts it.

Okay....skinning and disembowling a kitten....FOR ART? What are you, kidding me? That's just...[bows out of view to vomit].

It reminded me of what my biology teacher said once. He said, to summarize, that humans are just the smallest things in the universe, but our ego doesn't say so.

Capt. Jim, what's with your posts? He's just a dog...sometimes my dog craps where he isn't supposed to crap. Oh yes, barking....that mean's the dog's saying something, like "Play with me!" or "Give me food!".

LightShadow1890

[MahouShoujo13]

Aww...c'mon, treat a puppy just because it was "annoying"? I have dog, and if I ever see someone harm him I'd beat the person up.

Okay...skin a cat and disbowel it...for art? That is just...sickening. *throws up*
I'd be scared of my Biology teacher if someone steals his cat and skins and disembowls it and he found out. *shudders*

And now...throwing a baby out of a car into the highway. How can the person have the nerve just to throw his own daughter out of the window. She could've been hurt and maybe even dead when the baby impacted on the road.

God, where has the world gone? :(

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

But killing a random, innocent dog or cat or whatever I think is wrong... :shrug:
I'm retarded. I meant (But did not type:sweat: ) I saw nothing wrong with killing a Rabid or Non-Domestic animal.

Oh, LightShadow, I don't have a dog, I was referring to the "Dog from Hell" my sister had. She loves animals but said this one was annoying as hell.

And MahouShoujo, what do you mean by "Treat a puppy"? Be more specific.

[SilverKnight]

Pardon me for overreacting a tad in my initial post. I know not all people are scum. Maybe I should've written, "SOME people are scum", which those little punks that kicked the puppy to death are. Maybe I'm just too sensitive for my own good, but I find that a bunch of teens kicking a few-week old puppy to an inch of its life and then leaving it for dead skews a little to the "wrong" side of the law, and common human decency, while we're at it. And since the subject has been brought up, the possibility of the puppy being 'annoying' is entirely a moot point. Annoying or not, that puppy was harmless, and it couldn't have done anything to have deserved getting turned into a hackey sack for a bunch of thugs. Thus my outrage.

As far as the guy throwing his infant out of the car, well...some people are scum. I'll leave it at that.

[guinaevere]

The two stories here of animal abuse are sick. The people who commited these acts are perverted. I recall an article some time back about those who do such masochistic acts on animals often progress over time to having no guilt over hurting people. So potentially, we have the makings of psychotics. And I'll agree with everyone who believes that these people are scum.

As far as the guy throwing his infant out of the car, well...some people are scum. I'll leave it at that.I'm sure I'll be scorned for considering this, but my take on the guy letting the kid out (granted, of a slow moving car), was doing so out of charity. After all he had just done, and the high speed chase progressing, it seems he wanted to be sure the kid didn't die.

[SilverKnight]

I'm sure I'll be scorned for considering this, but my take on the guy letting the kid out (granted, of a slow moving car), was doing so out of charity. After all he had just done, and the high speed chase progressing, it seems he wanted to be sure the kid didn't die.I also considered that as well, but it doesn't say much about the guy's intelligence when he starts a police chase with his kid in the car in the first place, ya know?

[guinaevere]

That's true.

I just assumed he ran into whatever car (his or his girlfriends) was there, and it's possible that the girlfriend had put the kid into whichever car, without him realizing it. As he gets into the car, he thinks, "oh drat. there is a child in this car. well, no time to get him/her out now. I must drive fast. NOW!"

I'm probably wrong, and as the guy is dead, it's going to be hard to find out for sure.

[sun]

The two stories here of animal abuse are sick. The people who commited these acts are perverted. I recall an article some time back about those who do such masochistic acts on animals often progress over time to having no guilt over hurting people. So potentially, we have the makings of psychotics. And I'll agree with everyone who believes that these people are scum.

I'm sure I'll be scorned for considering this, but my take on the guy letting the kid out (granted, of a slow moving car), was doing so out of charity. After all he had just done, and the high speed chase progressing, it seems he wanted to be sure the kid didn't die.Guinaevere is correct, many of these scumballs graduate to child abuse, spouse and rape, (even abuse of the elderly) .of the "worst kind immaginable", how to stop them, catch them and change them is a project that our coujntry needs to make a top priority, we need to treat each other, as well as our animal friends with dignity and respect..Thanks Stuart

[Daredevil_2003]

What the hell? That's just sick. :sad: :sad: :sad: I really hate people, at times, but I try not to lose faith. There are a lot of *******s out there, but not everybody is that way, and now I leave after stating extremely obvious fact #34596658. :p

[Jade_GL]

I myself think that both cases here about animal abuse are sick. I don't like hearing about animals being harmed just for the seeming amusement of whoever is comitting the act.

But again, I have to pipe up and say that it is a little overboard when you say that the people deserve death or long prison terms too. They need to be held accountable, and get therapy for whatever is making them take pleasure in torturing animals, but they don't deserve death or long prison terms. We barely give that kind of stuff out for crimes on HUMANS like rape and child killing, why would we for a puppy? I'd first like to see the same type of outrage over a rapist only getting a few years in prison, or a child molestor getting a slap on the wrist, not an animal abuser.

Yes, animal abuse can lead to other crimes, but we'd be going all Minority Report on people if we say that kicking a dog necessarily means killing or raping humans next. And, as one poster already said, the act of tormenting an animal actually made them not want to do things like this, so it could go either way, hence the need for fair punishment and therapy, among possible medications, etc.

Oh, and in that state I live, and probably in other states, it is legal to euthenize your own animals. Some cases in Maine arise from people trying to shoot their dogs (because they are seen as a threat, biting a child, etc) but not killing them. They shoot them, leave them for dead, but the pet is not killed. The point being you have to kill them immediately and not torture or cause undue pain in the animal.

Still, I believe that the laws could be strengthened, I believe in Maine you get fined, I forget what kind of crime it's considered. I can see making them stronger, maybe with manditory counseling or some amount of prison time. But I still think there are more laws that could be strengthened before animal abuse laws. I mean, when people can abuse a kid and get barely any prison time in some cases... That's where our priorities should be.

[sun]

The kind of abuse we have discussed, is the most disgusting and abominable kinds, those are the people who have been proven to turn to child abuse etc...It is what to do that bothers me.?:rolleyes:

[Jade_GL]

The kind of abuse we have discussed, is the most disgusting and abominable kinds, those are the people who have been proven to turn to child abuse etc...It is what to do that bothers me.?:rolleyes:

Proven? So we should just get rid of them now before they do anything else?

That's Minority Report stuff. You can help people by getting to the root of why they are doing stuff. You can give them adequate prison time, hefty fines, and mandatory counseling. You don't have to advocate vigilante justice.

My brother shot a cardinal with a BB gun once and killed it. Pretty mean right? Then he cut of it's head. Now, is he a killer now?

No, he's a well adjusted wine salesman who has a fiance and has only been in trouble with the law once, and that was because of a party he held at my parent's house.

Not everyone who does something deplorable to an animal in their lives will be a serial killer.

Of course, these cases are extreme, and I said in my post that they were just absolutely sickening. Oh look, I used the word sick, I certainly know that these people need some sort of punishment.

But please, don't throw everyone in the same pot. And don't think that people should get horrible things done to them because of animal abuse. I wasn't making light of what these people did, because it's almost unbelievable to someone like me, but you have to have laws that make sense. My point being you need to have strong laws to protect humans first, and in some ways, we just don't.

I advocate strengthening my state's animal abuse laws, but I also want other laws strengthened too. And I want people who abuse to get some orm of counseling to get to the root of why they decided to do whatever they did, so then maybe we won't have to execute some animal abusers, we can instead stop them from doing this to other animals and graduating to human beings later in life.

It's much more logical than locking them up and throwing away the key, or killing them.

Oh, and on a completely off topic note. I love the rolly eyes face. Man, that really hits the point home. I wish I could find it in myself to overuse the rolly eyes face.

Wait for it....

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Ok, I feel better now.

(Can anyone tell that I hate the rolly eyes face? Man, it's nothing against the people who use it, but I just don't get it. Then again, I try to use one or two regular smiles, and not to excess, so maybe I'm just not a smily face/rolly eye face person at all... :D)

[sun]

Proven? So we should just get rid of them now before they do anything else?

That's Minority Report stuff. You can help people by getting to the root of why they are doing stuff. You can give them adequate prison time, hefty fines, and mandatory counseling. You don't have to advocate vigilante justice.

My brother shot a cardinal with a BB gun once and killed it. Pretty mean right? Then he cut of it's head. Now, is he a killer now?

No, he's a well adjusted wine salesman who has a fiance and has only been in trouble with the law once, and that was because of a party he held at my parent's house.

Not everyone who does something deplorable to an animal in their lives will be a serial killer.

Of course, these cases are extreme, and I said in my post that they were just absolutely sickening. Oh look, I used the word sick, I certainly know that these people need some sort of punishment.

But please, don't throw everyone in the same pot. And don't think that people should get horrible things done to them because of animal abuse. I wasn't making light of what these people did, because it's almost unbelievable to someone like me, but you have to have laws that make sense. My point being you need to have strong laws to protect humans first, and in some ways, we just don't.

I advocate strengthening my state's animal abuse laws, but I also want other laws strengthened too. And I want people who abuse to get some orm of counseling to get to the root of why they decided to do whatever they did, so then maybe we won't have to execute some animal abusers, we can instead stop them from doing this to other animals and graduating to human beings later in life.

It's much more logical than locking them up and throwing away the key, or killing them.

Oh, and on a completely off topic note. I love the rolly eyes face. Man, that really hits the point home. I wish I could find it in myself to overuse the rolly eyes face.

Wait for it....

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Ok, I feel better now.

(Can anyone tell that I hate the rolly eyes face? Man, it's nothing against the people who use it, but I just don't get it. Then again, I try to use one or two regular smiles, and not to excess, so maybe I'm just not a smily face/rolly eye face person at all... :D)You are right, I was not trying to put every example of animal abuse inthe same pot..But there is often a connection with repeated severe animal abuse, and some severe child abuse. I am very happy that your brother is OK, and doing well..Stuart

[Romanesque]

But I still think there are more laws that could be strengthened before animal abuse laws. I mean, when people can abuse a kid and get barely any prison time in some cases... That's where our priorities should be.

Why stop there? I could say there are "worse" crimes than child abuse, so shouldn't our priorities be focussed elsewhere? If you always ignore lesser crimes in favor of cracking down on greater crimes, the lesser crimes are never going to see justice. Every injustice deserves its own share of attention.

The greater evils will be seen to, but things like this shouldn't be ignored, meanwhile.

EDIT: I realize you're responding to some extreme opinions, but let's try not to jump too far to the opposite extreme in return...

--Romey

[Jade_GL]

Why stop there? I could say there are "worse" crimes than child abuse, so shouldn't our priorities be focussed elsewhere? If you always ignore lesser crimes in favor of cracking down on greater crimes, the lesser crimes are never going to see justice. Every injustice deserves its own share of attention.

The greater evils will be seen to, but things like this shouldn't be ignored, meanwhile.

--Romey

How is it ignoring lesser crimes?

I say fix both at the same time if possible.

Again, I advocate both. I don't see how I am saying *Screw the animals, humans are better !!!!!111111oneoneone*

What ever happened to reading? Or maybe comprehending? I'm sorry, but it seems that whenever someone tries to have a nuanced opinion lately (either about JLU cartoons or real world issues) some people have to jump up and act like you just advocated something horrible.

The real world works in shades of gray, not black and white. Not all people who do things to animals will be future killers, some will learn right away that what they did was wrong through their own set of morals or ethics, and some will be taught. They especially will be taught the wrong they did if they get proper punishment and counseling to get to the root of the problem. Which is what I want, which Maine really doesn't have (I think it's fines and probabation and maybe minor prison time if I recall right), which is the point I have been making over and over, which people seem to think gets negated when I call for laws that are strong across the board.

Whatever. I guess I should just say they should be murdered as they sleep in bed. I mean, why have a thoughtful approach when you could just kill people for what they can, and might, do.

[Romanesque]

How is it ignoring lesser crimes?

I say fix both at the same time if possible.

Again, I advocate both. I don't see how I am saying *Screw the animals, humans are better !!!!!111111oneoneone*


That was in reply to your first post in this thread (the one I quoted), not the second where I realize that you clarified further.

What ever happened to reading? Or maybe comprehending?

I quoted what I objected to before you went on to clarify.

The tension in this thread seems to be rising a bit too rapidly (I know, nature of the subject), so I suggest that people try to calm down a bit.

--Romey

[Jade_GL]

I just have a point that I clarified. I think people are getting way to out of hand in reacting to what I said.

I know that it's not popular to say *animal abuse is bad* and then have a *but* following it, but I think that there are ways to approach the issue without advocating killing people. That's wrong. I hate seeing it in any discussion and I feel that people should look at the issue from other angles. What about the child's (if it is a child doing this) parents, family, friends? Wouldn't it be better for them to get some form of counseling to get to why they would do something so disgusting, not just say that they're a lost cause? I think that if we tackle the issue smartly in our society, we'll fix it. That is, not going overboard by putting them in jail for a long time or making it impossible for them to live after the crime, but also not letting them get away with just a minor slap on the wrist, such as a fine.

Again, laws need work in a lot of places, and this is just one example. But it's not the only thing we should be trying to fix.

[TheRoxy78]

At least that puppy and that kitty are both at the Rainbow Bridge with my kitty Pepper. (She died from some illness in '98.) :crying:

...And now back to people...

While there are a great many nice people out there, sometimes I just cannot STAND humans! In fact, probably my two closest friends are Rufus and Roxy, the cats I have now. The funny thing is, I usually try to avoid watching the news on tv because of my "emotional system". It's like a piece of fabric that tears a little bit more every time somebody does something really bad. But usually, crying makes me feel better. Even though sometimes I just wanna go shatter glass or something! :mad:

So yes, there are definitely some people who are just plain scum!

[tucsoncoyote]

It's funny that this thread would come up about saying that people are 'scum' but then you don't know scum until you watch on television a story that makes you wonder really where the human race is going. and I can tell you this. It's not a pretty sight..

For example this story deals with a human injuring and later having a puppy die from it's injuries due to the fact that some human was cruel and inhuman. We have heard about the stories about this. But then you have to take a look at where this leads to see why this is so wrong.

I was watching MSNBC Today and I saw a story of a Man who was killed, and why was he killed? The answer was simple.. He was being a kind and decent guy and was trying to recover his friends DVD Player..(yes that is correct people get killed for the smallest thing, be it being robbed of $1.18 in change, or a friend's DVD player (The Man in the story was knocked down and kicked unconcious and left to die, all the while the villains and miscreants in this story walked away with a DVD Player).

But then you have to even go deeper... People are even deeper scum than that. Some folks hurt kids, hurt neighbors, even hurt spouses..(Heck Last night as I and my roommate were getting ready to go do some grocery shopping, there was a 'domestic disturbance' going on right next door to our apartment... people yelling and throwing things, and soon you even had some friends of one of the victims coming over to pick up one of the wounded..

but I digress.. what I see today in what Humanity is, is a fact that people just don't care what happens to either persons, or pets. They don't care who's property they're taking or stealing (Already I've heard enough 'Identity Theft' Stories this week to make your hair curl..

and yet the depravity still continues....with no relief in sight.

so the bottom line is this... When is it will humanity make a change in it's depravity and change it's outlook to somethinjg where humans, animals, even kids won't be harmed... I personally think we've passed that limit long ago.. and in fact it's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better... after all there was a great episode of the old 1960's show dragnet which talked about a story like this... a boy kills a bird and watches it die, and it excites him, so then he moves up to larger animals (like cats and dogs) and finally he kills another human... in short the animal abuser you remove from society now may not have a chance to be the next Boston Strangler, or the next Mass Murderer...)

so are people scum? I'll admit this.. humanity is only as scummy as humans preceive.. and in fact I feel humanity has reached the term 'bottom feeder' with these stories in the news... Nuff said...

:coyote:

[Agent S7]

My..it..ugh. I feel sick. :ack: How could someone with a soul be able to do that? :sad:

Punishment for such crimes should be terminaton. Jail is insufficient for the wicked.

On that subject, I disagree. Jail is torture, because you have to stay there with virtually no contact with your relatives, prison rape and abhorrent living conditions. Killing, or your pleasant euphamism "terminaton", simply makes us as terrible as they are. An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind, as they say. And I believe that humanity can be better than that, besides some select incidents.

~s7

[HeeHaw9]

:( That's really sad....I wish there was more stories about kindness and pleasant things, rather than these horrendous stories of cruelty.

[zmanjz]

over the years, I've killed dozens of mammals, and thousands of insects, but every time there was a valid reason:

I'm hungry. (Cows/Steers, Chickens, Pigs, Deer.)

Keeping farm animals from breaking their legs/dying (the Ground hogs must die, cute though they may be.)

preventing disease/physical harm (Rats/Mice)

and because they're freaky poisonous or maggot infesting things... (insects)


But the idea of kicking around a baby animal for fun just seems cruel to me.

But I'd agree that a term of 120 days minus good behavior time... say.....

serve 60 days county jail, and recieve the balance of time on parole.

that's what I'd like, but I'd accept 90 days home confinement and a 4 year probation sentence.

(I'd rather have the probation so that an eye can be kept on someone like this. If they don't break the law they're fine, but if they do something like this again, they serve the unserved balance of the sentence.)

on a side note....

On that subject, I disagree. Jail is torture, because you have to stay there with virtually no contact with your relatives, prison rape and abhorrent living conditions. Killing, or your pleasant euphamism "terminaton", simply makes us as terrible as they are. An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind, as they say. And I believe that humanity can be better than that, besides some select incidents.

As someone that has sent people to jail, kept them there, and worked on capital cases I disagree. In some cases it is cruel to both the victims, the other prisoners, and the men working to guard the prisoners to keep some of these people alive.

I know a Guard that has contracted HIV from an inmate that made a weapon and covered it in his infected blood. (And I know of other guards with similar stories)

I know of criminals, who, though already in jail, have placed hits out on Prosecutors and police.

I know criminals who are a pox on humanity. People that once released back into society WILL kill, Maim, and rape innocents and destroy the lives cleary outweighing their own.

Now I consider myself a relatively liberal person. I am by far pro-treatment, and for helping people turn away from crime. (I'm sympathetic to the VAST VAST majority of cases that I see. and I pity most defendants for their poor judgement, or lack of self-control. Most are good people that have made stupis mistakes.)

But I've also met THEM. The truly evil men that would kill you in a second if they could. Criminals so dangerous that they do not enter court except while wearing a tazer belt that can take them down in an instant.

Call it an "incurable personality disorder" if you desire. "Evil" is also an applicable term.

But so long as such men exist, I will believe that there is a place for the death penalty.

[mikestorm]

I couldn't bring myself to finish the article. I have a tendency to dwell on stuff like that, and only with considerable effort can I get it out of my head. I wish I could conciously stop myself from going mind numblingly visual, but I can't...leaving me with the only alternative of regulating what I read/see. Something that graphic would haunt me for days.

Heck, when I watched it had difficulty getting through certain scenes from ER.

[Death58]

Yes, I'm one of those people with a general hate for people. This story is an example of why.

[Kaoru]

Every once in a while there is a mad religious woman who kills her babies. I don't think the general public hould get the bad credit for something a few lunatics do.

[RD!]

:( That's really sad....I wish there was more stories about kindness and pleasant things, rather than these horrendous stories of cruelty.There are plenty of stories of good things to be told but apparently no one wants to talk about them for God knows why. Whatever. If people like depressing themselves and be cynical all the damn time and go out of there way to post stories about dead kittens that's great. I'm going to continue enjoying being happy. (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=167590)

[Doop]

And yet people still say Demona and Magneto are wrong.http://www.carrie.cc/images/smileys/shakehead.gif

[Gatomon41]

And yet people still say Demona and Magneto are wrong.http://www.carrie.cc/images/smileys/shakehead.gif

Dude, they are wrong. All they see is the bad side of human life. Most people are decent, and trying to make a living. Sure, were not all saints, but there are only a small amount of sickos.

[g_UnIt_GaNsTa]

And yet people still say Demona and Magneto are wrong.http://www.carrie.cc/images/smileys/shakehead.gif

Haha yeah dude comic books are always right.

[Zinal]

I can't believe someone would do that to a Innocent puppy. :crying: It makes me sick how some people like to torture animals for the fun of it. :mad:

[Dens Maris]

I think hearing about evil done to others ought to make us want to do good instead...but I can sympathize with those who'd like to see all the animal abusers and senseless killers and all those people who through their basest, most remorseless actions just stir up that bloodthirsty rage in our guts get a nasty comeuppance. Feels bad to think that way about other people, but it also feels bad to imagine the pain that poor puppy went through. :sad:

Still, I think I'll spend some extra time petting or playing with my pets. Seems like that's the best response I can think of when I hear about stuff like this.