Could Lupin come back? [Archive]

William C. Maune

08-02-2004, 01:55 AM

I may be one of the few Lupin fans here but I'm curious. If Lupin was to do well in it's current spot, would we have a chance of getting more Lupin the 3rd?

It would likely depend on a few factors. Lupin does better than other shows, but at the time the decision was made, it wasn't doing well enough to warrant ordering more. That all being the case, it is probably closer to being able to be picked up than other shows. Considering it has now been playing, with only 26 episodes, off and on for a year and a half it's numbers must not be dropping much. Any show that can maintain an audience over time (i.e. Cowboy Bebop) definitely has something in its favor. The other thing that would be helpful is if it has been able to grow an audience over time. Without ratings numbers we don't know if it has or not, but I would think it would pretty much have to it more episodes were to be ordered. The final factor is what kind of deal Geneon is willing to offer. If the deal is cheap enough then it could be worth a pick up, even just for 1 or 1:30. This wouldn't be unprecedented, as we've seen with Case Closed. While we really don't have any idea how that went down, I'd guess Funimation cut Adult Swim a pretty good deal to get them to pick up 52 episodes right from the start.

Nin-Nin69

08-02-2004, 02:08 AM

Air the movies/TV specials that Funi/Pioneer own. That and show "To Be or Nazi Be", but pimp it out so people will tune in to watch a banned episode.

Zach Williams

08-02-2004, 08:53 AM

I would suspect it gets good ratings, but I doubt that any company will order more episodes of. If they do, they could start off with Lupin III TV 1, which is the first 26 episodes. I hope they get new episodes of Lupin.:D

Killtacular

08-02-2004, 11:31 AM

From what I've glanced at, Pioneer's TRIED to sell more Lupin episodes but AS continues not to purchase.

Iridium128

08-02-2004, 11:56 AM

I was under the impression that modern anime is cheap to buy, so I doubt an older show like Lupin would cost much. This all made much more sense months ago after Lupin was no longer airing on Adult Swim when we assumed that is was a colossal bomb, but the fact that it has been brought back for at least another run, plus the fact that the show is being well advertised doesn't make much sense.

talibancity

08-02-2004, 01:51 PM

Beat

08-02-2004, 02:02 PM

Watch the reruns, and buy the DVD's.

With enough support, you never know.

Mysteryinfoman

08-02-2004, 03:17 PM

At the Geneon panel at Comic Con, a fan asked about that and the guys from Geneon sounded like they wanted more episodes on CN but they said it was up to CN to decide, so yeah it needs good ratings I guess for CN to order more. It might have a chance, no one thought Lupin would be returning for re-runs around in Jan and Feb, and then it came back now, I say have a little hope.

Paul_Cousins

08-02-2004, 03:19 PM

This is referring to the promo w/ the girls shooting at each other. What I want to know is, how can AS use that clip, which is from a future episode that as far as we know they have not bought? I don't think they could use those clips unless they had the rights to that episode, right? So, does that mean that they do have new episodes?Actually, the clips are from an episode that aired, not sure of the title, but it was in the one with the age/old-making poison-gas.

I think the new commercials are a sign that more episodes of Lupin might air in on CN in the future.

Homesick_Alien

08-02-2004, 03:27 PM

i think it would be awesome, lupins the only anime on that besides bebop that i actually like alot, the others are ok, but that and bebop are the best (even though bebop almost makes me sick now because of how many times ive seen it, glad that they took it off the week AS and its only on the saturday one now.)

But that promo is hallarious! The look on lupins face when he turns his head half way through makes me laugh every time, i pointed it out to a friend of mine and he never noticed how funny it was. Truly Brilliant.

Rabi~en~Rose

08-02-2004, 03:35 PM

AS has a lot of other shows they could put on at 1:30 that might get better ratings then Lupin so I think they might pull Lupin soon and test WHR or Blue Gender at that time and see how they do :confused: but even if they do well Lupin is the only show that they could get new episodes for so if they don't do much much better then it I can see them buying some more new episodes :)

Sketch

08-02-2004, 04:49 PM

I'd like to see Lupin premieres replace Futurama at it's 11:30 slot on Saturday after Venture Bros. but I doubt it would happen. Still... I can dream.

WS seems to want Lupin the be successful this time. Either that or they are just getting a little fun out of it before they bid it farewell forever.

Rurouni Kenshin

08-02-2004, 04:53 PM

I hope not, Lupin is a show with bad animation, its old and has way to much fanservice.

Delthayre

08-02-2004, 05:02 PM

I'd very much like for Williams Street to acquire new episodes of Lupin III, but I'm strongly pessimistic as to the possibility of that happening. It didn't do well enough to justify further episodes when it originally ran, I hardly see how it could find new hope running in a graveyard slot, even with the nifty new promotions.

I hope not, Lupin is a show with bad animation, its old and has way to much fanservice.The animation seldom bothered me and frankly, complaining about the show's age is either petty or redundant depending upon interpertation and the complaint against fanservice I shall pass on and comment only that it is atypical.

Lupin III's appeal, to me, was simply in its simple enjoyability. The show is swift moving and engaging, more importantly, the principal characters struck me as likeable and endearing. As vague and undernuanced an opinion as it is, I can only say that I enjoyed it because it was fun.

livingfruitvirus

08-02-2004, 05:08 PM

It won't come back.

Anime Freak

08-02-2004, 06:15 PM

It won't come back.
Just like Case Closed is bombing on Adult Swim ;) . There's always hope, never give up the fight!

livingfruitvirus

08-02-2004, 07:05 PM

There's always hope, never give up the fight!
I gave up the attitude of the Futurama fan.

PaQ

08-02-2004, 08:14 PM

It's a shame Lupin doesn't get no love from WS, but at least they're showing it. I'd love to see them purchase new episodes.. As long as DVD's are available it won't be a total lost, not ideal, but not the worst situation.

All I know is I'm glad it's on, and that I'd watch it over any old anime that WS has in it's possession.

I gave up the attitude of the Futurama fan.loo@funnyyetsadtr.uth =(

SirLemming

08-02-2004, 10:10 PM

I think the idea of a Lupin movie being shown on Adult Swim is feasible. They might not want to invest in a whole bunch of episodes, but a movie based on one of their series... it's possible. Of course, the movies seem to be licensed by different companies. But I know one of those companies is FUNimation... The voices would be different, though, wouldn't they? That'd be a little weird.

A real coup would be if they got Castle of Cagliostro, which they could hype for its Miyazaki influence. But I feel like that's not gonna happen.

Beat

08-03-2004, 02:34 PM

Caligostro is a whole can of worms waiting to be opened, between the rights, and the dub...

I'm still holding out for more eps, because after watchign Stroker and Hoop, they need it.

William C. Maune

08-03-2004, 03:02 PM

It's a shame Lupin doesn't get no love from WS, but at least they're showing it.

What's this about no love? Aren't they still showing it after a year and a half, unlike other series. Aren't they still making new promos for it after all this time, unlike other series? Lupin gets a lot more love than other action shows.

RedTail

08-03-2004, 04:52 PM

Well, WS does use some images from Cagliostro as they cut away for commercial breaks. Could be a sign of things to come. Who knows...

anime_guru

08-03-2004, 05:27 PM

I will say this
I doubt lupin III won't get new eps based upon what mr. maune comments on
new promos
being aired after a year long hiatus
lupin is getting mad respect, furthermore mike lazzo did comment last year that he does enjoy lupin III
I think that with proper timing (detective power hour, conan, then lupin) the ratings would be good.

PaQ

08-03-2004, 06:02 PM

What's this about no love? Aren't they still showing it after a year and a half, unlike other series. Aren't they still making new promos for it after all this time, unlike other series? Lupin gets a lot more love than other action shows.By that i meant new episodes.. Better time slot than the last part of the block.. I like the show, but most of the time I don't feel like staying up late to watch it. If they wanted the show to be successful, they could find a way.

Getting new episodes would be cheaper than other anime, I would think.. By doing that, and some other moves, they could make AS saturday more attractive, by making it more like Toonami... in only one way.. premieres throughout the whole block.

William C. Maune

08-03-2004, 06:59 PM

By that i meant new episodes.. Better time slot than the last part of the block.. I like the show, but most of the time I don't feel like staying up late to watch it. If they wanted the show to be successful, they could find a way.

I did get multiple tries in earlier time slots and while it may be on late, at least it is on the air, unlike other shows Adult Swim has. Just because they want the show to be successful doesn't mean they can make people watch it. There is no guaranteed way to make a show successful.

Getting new episodes would be cheaper than other anime, I would think.. By doing that, and some other moves, they could make AS saturday more attractive, by making it more like Toonami... in only one way.. premieres throughout the whole block.

I don't see any reason why Lupin would be cheaper than other anime.

kaine23

08-03-2004, 07:10 PM

I'd love to se eit return with new episodes and a new lease on life myself. Pair it up with Conan for a winner!

All-Star 1.5

08-03-2004, 07:14 PM

If I am not mistaken AS first wanted to make AS Saturdays into a sort of movie night and while I don't know if they still want to do that it would be great if they got the Lupin movies and aired them since they don't have alot of AS anime movies.

Pimmelmann

08-04-2004, 04:18 AM

I hope not, Lupin is a show with bad animation, its old and has way to much fanservice. As a fan, I cannot receive too much service.

Long
Live
Lupin

:cool:

Aquadementia

08-04-2004, 11:05 PM

I can't repeat what Kenshin900 wrote.
He dropped the F bomb.
Someone get word to his mother.I probably sound like a prude to most people because I just don't think it's necessary to see brief underwear shots in cartoons.
But with Lupin, he is such a salacious character, and it's handled in a funny way, it would be wrong to have Lupin without perversion.

Lupin the 3rd is one of the two shows I try to watch on adult swim every night, so
yep I want more.

Pairing it with CC was a good idea, except for CC being on too late now.

PaQ

08-05-2004, 02:40 AM

I did get multiple tries in earlier time slots and while it may be on late, at least it is on the air, unlike other shows Adult Swim has. Just because they want the show to be successful doesn't mean they can make people watch it. There is no guaranteed way to make a show successful.While your points are on the money.. Where were these awesome promos before now? If they had made something like the ones they've been doing for this run, it would've helped I think. I just hate seeing the latest lupin promo, and just wonder what could've happened.

There's just something about Lupin III that appeals greatly to me unlike other ASA shows that didn't quite make it.

William C. Maune

08-05-2004, 02:42 AM

While your points are on the money.. Where were these awesome promos before now? If they had made something like the ones they've been doing for this run, it would've helped I think. I just hate seeing the latest lupin promo, and just wonder what could've happened.

While the newest promos are awesome, they, to me at least, come across as being more for those who already know about Lupin. The early promos did a better job of describing the series which I think is more necessary when trying to attract new viewers.

PAT1234

08-05-2004, 04:13 PM

i hope that show comes back. its not looking good though......

Bigdaddy83

08-06-2004, 04:43 PM

i hope that show comes back. its not looking good though......I couldn't agree more. It's a shame because it seems like its getting somewhere in fanbase here in the U.S. as of now(Correct me in case I'm wrong). Still, if the show grinded out good ratings when the episodes were first run, CN would acquire more episodes. The only chance that it seems for now to see new eps is to get Lupin Vol 6: Lupin the Target, and Lupin Vol 7: Royal Scramble and the remaining three volumes that Geneon will be releasing between October(Vol 8 release) and April. Hopefully, Geneon will keep getting more episodes when Vol 10 rolls out. On the same subject, I found out that someone who talked with Richard Epcar(The "Voice" of Jigen as far as I am concerned) heard from him that they may acquire another 50 episodes which would bring the total to 102(currently there are 52 under Geneon's belt, but I'm sure many already knew that). So keep your fingers crossed for that, but for CN, I HIGHLY doubt it.

Rabi~en~Rose

08-06-2004, 04:51 PM

Bigdaddy83

08-06-2004, 05:11 PM

if Geneon is still wanting to sell CN more episodes after this long don't you think maybe the price would be low enough to buy them up even if its not the super bestest in ratings? having new episodes at the end of the block is evil but a good way to get people to watch most of the way through
I don't think CN would care about the price, it's about RATINGS. It's all about the ratings nowadays. If a show doesn't do good, it gets canned. Still, it's a shame because Lupin is such a great show, and I think having new episodes would probably help in the fanbase. I know one thing, if I was in charge of CN, I'd keep on getting more episodes.

Bigdaddy83

08-07-2004, 01:12 AM

Actually, the clips are from an episode that aired, not sure of the title, but it was in the one with the age/old-making poison-gas.

I think the new commercials are a sign that more episodes of Lupin might air in on CN in the future.That episode was Lupin in Paradise(Perhaps the funniest episode I've seen). Hopefully the promos are pointing towards that general direction, it would be cool if CN acquired more eps off of Geneon, but since I have all of the DVD's at the moment, it really doesn't affect me, but still, new episodes would be nice to broadcast on TV(Especially for viewers who don't want to spend $25 just to see new episodes).

Gruntling

08-07-2004, 04:26 AM

Cartoon Network is not the kind of network to hastily throw away a show if it does bad. So with that said, I believe there is a possibility of Lupin making a return considering its ratings do improve. Unfortunately I do not see the ratings making a noticible leap forward, and if the show continues in the path it treads, I believe new episodes will never see the light of day.

ClockStomper

08-07-2004, 05:07 PM

I do find it funny thay pour money into advertising a show they cancelled while burying Case Closed at 1 am with no new ads. They're repeating history...bet in a couple of months, CC will get a major push a 1:30am after it's cancellation.

SSJPabs

08-07-2004, 05:21 PM

...frankly, complaining about the show's age is either petty or redundant depending upon interpertation and the complaint against fanservice.Actually how it looks is a hugely important factor in determining its popularity whether you like it or not. To dismiss that just because of the following comments or because you can enjoy it despite the dated animation really doesn't add much to discussions about the future of the show.

That said, I personally find the animation charming.

nosaj56

08-07-2004, 07:43 PM

Actually how it looks is a hugely important factor in determining its popularity whether you like it or not. To dismiss that just because of the following comments or because you can enjoy it despite the dated animation really doesn't add much to discussions about the future of the show.

That said, I personally find the animation charming.

Me too. I liked that Old School Anime promo. It's like stepping back into the 80's or early 90's (only because of the animation) and watching G.I. Joe or Captain Planet. Plus it's on at midnight (my time). I love it.

Lupin the Wolf

08-11-2004, 06:43 PM

Well, WS does use some images from Cagliostro as they cut away for commercial breaks. Could be a sign of things to come. Who knows...They do not use images from "The Castle of Cagliostro" during their commercial intermissions. They do, however, use an image from the PlayStation game, "Lupin the Third - The Castle of Cagliostro ~Return~." It was kind of a retrospective of the Cagliostro film that had information about the film and so forth, as well as a story of its own. Or so I understand it; I've never played it, myself. The image they use I have seen on line many a time, which is likely how they got it.

The other Lupin image they show (judging solely from the character design) *seems* to be from the "In Memory of the Walther P-38" TV special/TV movie. But he looks a little funny.... could be from the earlier specials (1989-1992).

Yash

08-11-2004, 06:46 PM