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lostrune

07-27-2004, 02:00 AM

1a. Not sure exactly how it was in the dub, but originally, the dentist was deep-down hoping there was somebody who's smart enough to solve her - someone who she wished was there too 26 years ago to solve her brother's kidnap-murderer.

1b. And that's probably partly why she didn't kill Conan. And Conan knew that, or that maybe he would remind her of her brother too. Conan didn't also tell nobody where he was going neither. :)

2a. This was a simple case. Be glad that FUNi changed the preview for this episode - the original preview told you right at the bat who is the killer (that would've made this episode even more simpl-er). And if ya guys would've remembered the preview, you would've immediately known there's a hole with Richard's theory because the preview had Rachel showing that there's no VCR. :p

2b. And what's up with FUNi's generic OP, with Conan saying there are a lot of suspects. There's really only one in this ep. :shrug:

3a. Talking about previews, FUNi also changed the preview here - at least from the broadcast version. But FUNi didn't cut - they added. The preview here is actually longer, with the 2nd half being the same as the original. :confused:

3b. And Conan says "the next episode is a bit sad." And the original Conan's hint: portrait.

Alien #2

07-27-2004, 02:07 AM

(First time posting, be nice. :sweat: )

To answer your question, lostrune, I believe the dentist said something when she was talking to Conan (after he exposed her) about wanting to be caught.

Anyway, I was stumped throughout the episode (as I am with just about every episode.) but all in all, it was O.K.

I'd give it an C+

RedBoot

07-27-2004, 02:15 AM

Be glad that FUNi changed the preview for this episode - the original preview told you right at the bat who is the killer (that would've made this episode even more simpl-er).
Even if they'd kept it like that, it wouldn't have made much of a difference. This episode was kinda like the one with the fashion mogul, it's not about who did it, since it's obvious, it's more about how they did it.

jeffrey 228

07-27-2004, 03:05 AM

Nice episode. Richard's seemed really smart....until there was no VHS. I never ever solve anything before Conan does. I'd rather see the end. But it seemed so obvious who did it.

The reason why I didn't post for one whole week was that I was at a music camp. They had no TV's there in the cabins except for the staff lounge, and I had to sleep early, which is why I didn't see the two parter I wanted to see. It was fun though. :anime: . I think someone there liked me. :D :anime: :sweat:You know somthing, I was almost amased myself that he almost got it right, untill the VCR thing, but the real trick in this mystry was the Swichroo with the room, and as a result Detective more was wrong once again, as aways, but then this case was a bit too easy to begin with, regards of hte main door locked and there was a back door that seemed very strange and that is what solved this case mainly.

Also tonights episode deserves a 9.1 regarding this was an easy case but lack in comedy relef.

Gruntling

07-27-2004, 04:44 AM

Quite the enjoyable episode this was. Judging from her looks, Dr. Karen Keeler didn't seem the type of person who would kill somebody. But reviewing her past that the condominium manager murdered her brother several years ago, it seemed that it was her after all. With the eventual clues, it all added up. I suppose the tire marks and the curtains gave it away the most. While not the hardest case for Detective Conan, I thought this episode was pretty decent.

I give Wrong Place at the Wrong Time a B+.

JDNobodi

07-27-2004, 04:59 AM

This case was too easy. Even I figure it out before Conan.:yawn: The deck of cards seemed to stand out as an obvious clue for a room switch.

I do admit I first thought a VCR was somehow involved, but as more clues were revealed, the room switch was the only way the crime was done.

Happy

07-27-2004, 05:57 AM

Man, I was tricked into Richard's theory early on but it did fool me at the end.+

tucsoncoyote

07-27-2004, 07:41 AM

After seeing the Episode this was indeed a very enjoyable show. and Wrong Place at the Wrong time, shows that you can never fool Conan.

The Case in itself was simplistic, but the thing that really slipped up the Doctor ere two simple decks of Playing cards. And in fact it was Amy who was the Magician in this trick, giving Conan the tip he needed to crack this case wide open.

The doctor really did have the perfect Alibi, and had she known that Amy had stuck the card in her pocket, perhaps, this could have been a Clean kill, but she didn't and that is what finally did her in.

The Motive in itself was really simplistic too. Killing someone who killed her brother some 26 years earlier.. and then to top it all off at least the one thing that will save her from all this is of course Amy..

I think Wrong Place at the wrong Time, even though it lacks the brain power, deserves a top notch grade, even from this amateur armchair detective, After all The Doctor wasn't really to blame, and perhaps if there wasn't Amy there for her, well she would be looking at a death scentence rather then just some time in prison.

Wrong Place at the Wrong Time gets a Solid A, for it's compasssionate story. After all, had Conan been there 26 years ago, perhaps this murder wouldn't have happened.

:coyote:

randi

07-27-2004, 08:30 AM

If any of you are wondering why I didn't make a single post at the last Conan Talkback it is because I missed each and everyone of them. Lucky tonight I had a stoke of good luck. I fell asleep at 9:30 and woke up at 3:00 that time Conan was on. Heh"Next time on Masked Vabia:He gets in a arm lock and gets his butt kicked.". I still didn't figure it out. Swiching the rooms back and fourth. That is a good plan.

Wee woo wee woo
Sketchy Memory

Daizaburo Estes

07-27-2004, 10:00 AM

I CAN'T believe nobody noticed this: Dr. KEELER. Hmm? Hmmmmm? Yeah, nice pun, FUNI. :rolleyes:

Meh, this ep. wasn't even CLOSE to being as brain-busting as some in the past. Sure, I wasn't able to figure it out mehself, but I wasn't even paying ATTENTION. Shows how much I listen... :D

Heheh..."Masked Yaiber"...

C

bigddan11

07-27-2004, 12:15 PM

Mr. Pedro

07-27-2004, 01:19 PM

A good episode. Richard had me going there for a bit too, but alas, wrong again.

The room switch was a bit unexpected, but it all made sense.

Not sure what went on in the preview, but it looks interesting.

Grade: B

trunkschan90

07-27-2004, 01:47 PM

Hmm.....

is it just me or does that person in the sketchy memory Conan hint looks like one of the men in black that gave Jimmy the drug

Sampo

07-27-2004, 03:58 PM

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Amy holds her favorite card close to her heart to watch over her during her dentist appointment. Awww... Unknown to the sleepy Amy, she was being used as an alibi so the Dr. Keeler can attempt some heart surgery on a murderer who killed her brother 25 years ago. So its up to Conan to deep six Dr. Keeler's alibi.

Seriously, I was thinking what Richard came up with. It had something to do with a VCR and messing with the clocks. Then the cute Keeler shot down his theory pretty quickly... Ouch, Richard got burned! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/Richard%20gets%20burned.jpg) After the comercial break when Conan noticed the fresh tire tracks, then I figured it out before he pointed out the curtains. Nice laid out plan to create a solid alibi.

That was a nice little scene they had at the end. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/helping%20a%20little%20girl.jpg) I guess it gave the doc peace of mind that someone was smart enough to stop her.

I actually enjoyed just watching this episode unfold more instead of trying to find all the clues.

man, wish my dentist was that hot....killer or otherwise
...
Yup, if I had a dentist who looked like that. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/cute%20doc.jpg) I wouldn't mind going to have my checkup.

Even if they'd kept it like that, it wouldn't have made much of a difference. This episode was kinda like the one with the fashion mogul, it's not about who did it, since it's obvious, it's more about how they did it.Aye I agree. Also it's about finding enough evidence to make their alibi blow up in their face. She looked pretty POed (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/upset.jpg) when Conan figured it out. :sweat:

PaQ

07-27-2004, 07:06 PM

i thought it was sweet that Amy kept her favorite card close to her, to protect her as she went in for the dental visit.

The whole plan was pretty ingenious, and she almost got away with it, if it wasn't for Amy and Conan. I'm actually glad that guy got what was coming to him, it's terrible to think that he got away with a murder like that. Poor woman, that must've been a terrible experience for her, losing a brother like that, witnessing him get taken and not being able to put the guy to justice.

Cute dentist.. while I haven't had any like that, lately the assistants when I've come by have been cute. :)

"Wrong Place at the Wrong Time" gets a B+.

Chuquita

07-27-2004, 09:46 PM

A good episode of Case Closed overall, but it wasn't anywhere near as goos as last week. I think Conan should have stayed outside the dentist office and kept watch out for Amy. I give it a B+ overall. Here was the additional cast for the episode:

Kent Williams
Scarlett McAlister
Nathanael Harrison
Justin Cook
Daniel Katsuk
Chris Cason
Kyle Hebert

I knew I recognized Yaiber's narrator!
It was Saiyaman :D

I liked how Richard came up with a good theory this episode; even though he was wrong, at least he put some effort into it.

Wow, that Doctor must've done a lot of work to get both rooms to look exactly the same. :eek:
Enjoyed how Conan figured out the cards. :)

Ultra8

07-27-2004, 11:32 PM

A cool episode. I had the same idea as Richard about the vcr but then I remebered the preview. I figured the deck of cards looked a little different when they went to her office.

A++:D :cool:

The Wolverine

07-28-2004, 12:06 AM

I figured it out once I saw the two decks of cards. They looked different, and I found out why at the very end. Easy to figure out who did it, but how it was done was clever.

lostrune

07-28-2004, 12:48 AM

If ya guys don't have a cheezy bone in your body, you may not enjoy it too much. :D

KuwabaraTheMan

07-28-2004, 01:26 AM

Decent episode, no real mystery, but it had a nice story. Next episode looks really good though, I can't wait to see that one.

Alien #2

07-28-2004, 01:28 AM

I enjoyed this episode, mainly because I solved the entire thing out before Conan did. I don't have anything else to say, so I'll just say that Prickly Past gets a B+ as far as I'm concerned. :sweat:

SirLemming

07-28-2004, 01:31 AM

Good episode. I totally dug the flashback sequence (with the dubbed song).
Come to think of it, this episode had a lot of interesting music and a different "feel" in general. It almost seemed like one of the two-parters in its tone. Does anyone know if this was originally a season premiere or finale or something?
The mystery was nothing special, but the storytelling was more interesting. Tomorrow's episode also looks unusual and interesting.

All in all, I'm glad the thunderstorm died down JUST as the title card music was finishing. That was a close one!

EDIT: Looking back... wow, what a strange coincidence, how so many people couldn't do talkback last week. I was on vacation in Florida, myself. Still have to watch the tape.

Mr. Unspeakable

07-28-2004, 01:40 AM

This was a pretty good episode, I liked the idea of stopping a murder instead of finding the culprit of one.

Mog

07-28-2004, 02:22 AM

She shoulda torched them. I would have laughed.

A-

lostrune

07-28-2004, 02:24 AM

1. Heh, how's that for yet another new shortened OP. :)

2. Heh, nowadays, people would just use that der... inter...web... to find other people. :D

3. Next day?! Try next week! (At least originally - yeah, the great Det. Moore had a hard time.) :sweat:

4. Geez, a doctor just right out gives away personal info to any kid who claims to be the great Det. Moore's assistant. :eek:

5. Not sure what it was exactly in the dub, but the Xmas cactus was a "shacoba" cactus.

6. Another reason the red car driver would be difficult to prosecute was because Terry was also speeding, at least originally. Notice in the flashback, he put the pedal to the metal at the curve. :o

7. Aw, they took out the double entendre joke in the preview. :D
Originally, before Conan kicked that thing:
Richard: "The person who proved his alibi was ME!"
Rachel: "You, dad!"
Conan kicks it (supposedly to Richard): "I'll smash that stupid head of yours OFF!" :D

8. Oops, here's an edit - they even changed the picture! :eek:
"wet shirt"
"left-handed"
Hmmm... I wonder how that difference would affect the guessing game here? ;)

9. But this "nightly detective" won't find out because I bid adieu for a fortnight. If anyone needs me, I'm off to the Sunshine State.
Sampo, I'd greatly appreciate it if you save all those cool audio samples from Case Closed, if any. :)

PickHut

07-28-2004, 02:33 AM

Geez, Rachel has a short attention span. She went from stopping a woman from burning people, to admiring a cactus. What I found so funny about that scene, was that the woman was still trying to kill them at that point :sweat: . It was an okay episode, it was a nice change from the usual episodes. I just went along with it, figured out why she was really after the guy when you found out her boyfriend died.

I give Prickly Past a B.

Frank15

07-28-2004, 03:15 AM

I find a bit of the human psychology interesting here. Namely, the two... um... damn. Can't think of the word I want to call them. Jerks is just too nice a word. Anyway, the creeps recognized Nora instantly, but were oddly claiming that it wasn't their fault for Terry's death. Of course, once they realize that she's intending to burn them to death, then they suddenly decide "Oh wait, it is our fault, we're sorry!" What nice people. Aside from the dead guy from yesterday, and maybe a couple others, these had to be among the show's least-likable "victims." Or in today's case, would-be victims.

Dare I say that yesterday's episode was kinda' "feel good." Kinda' odd for a murder case I guess, but of all the murders we've seen so far, her's was likely the most understandable. And caught or not, she did what she felt she had to do, which is perhaps a frighteningly understandable situation.

And why did Conan confront Keeler by himself? Probably because he felt that she would not hurt him. He's got good intuition. Knowing how she particularly liked kids, and knowing why she killed the guy, he figured going alone was safe.

jeffrey 228

07-28-2004, 03:47 AM

Well I can say tonights episode was pretty interesting, only to know it was another episode for revenge and in this case Ms. Odel decited to put gas on them so that Ms. Odel and the other 2 would be killed in this accendent that had been caused by the crazy drivers, but again Conan saved her when he show her the cactus, now that is a good feeling inside she will not kill anymore but it could have been worst, so tonights episodes get a healthy 9.0 .

randi

07-28-2004, 04:26 AM

Well if anyone is wondering again I feel asleep and woke up at Conan time. Heh "Do you have a girl friend?" Yeah one thats 11 years old them him. Heh "No Thanks to the phone book.". Lol "To you know what this means!" "That she's single.". Hum. I have a feeling Conan has to use his shoes. Man she is crazy. He had a pot on his head. Doesn't it need to be like flat or not round for that. Still no shoes. Damn it. The next epsoide looks interesting. "No one uses out for a crime!".

Wee woo wee woo
Wet shirt

Gruntling

07-28-2004, 05:44 AM

Christmas Cacti live a really long time! My uncle has a Christmas Cactus from 1976, and its the size a freakin' table! LOL :D Anyway, tonight's episode was good. Remembering her fiancee's passion of plants, the cactus uplifted Nora and made her realize that what she was doing was wrong. She knew Terry would have never wanted her to do such a thing. The message of tonight's episode reminded me of another plant story involving my family. In my old neighborhood some years ago, our neighbor gave us a strange plant with very long leaves. It was a sign of our friendship, and we became close. Sadly she passed away a few months later from cancer, but every year around the time of her death, the plant blooms. It's kind of eery, but at the same time its comforting and, it reminds me of the warmth she always offered to us.

I give Prickly Past an A.

Sampo

07-28-2004, 07:16 AM

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Nora experiences a traumatic experience, watching her fiance being burned alive in a horrible car accident. This enrages her as she hunts down the two responsible, dump gasoline on them, and attempts to light them on fire. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/lighter.jpg) Luckily Conan walks in carrying a hand full of Cacti that Nora's deceased boyfriend had cherished.

Wow, just one of those episodes you just sit back an watch the show unfold infront of you. Not much of a mystery that Nora wanted to kill that guy in the red sports car. But that was a nice story to watch, also I liked the ending but I felt sad too. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/sad%20ending.jpg)

Two more shots here. One of Conan admiring Terry's cacti (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/cacti.jpg) and the other of George about to swim with the dolphins (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/dolphins.jpg).

That's a nice post you wrote Gruntling. Thanks for sharing!

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9. But this "nightly detective" won't find out because I bid adieu for a fortnight. If anyone needs me, I'm off to the Sunshine State.
Sampo, I'd greatly appreciate it if you save all those cool audio samples from Case Closed, if any. :)
Aww, take care lostrune. Don't get into trouble down there :D

tucsoncoyote

07-28-2004, 07:37 AM

My initial thoughts on Prickly Past was the fact that this was a simple "Find the Person" case that almost turned into a Murder-suicide.

Frankly this is another what I call "Compassion" story (Wrong Place at the Wrong Time is the other), but you got to Admit, that it took Conan's little known detail on how the human mind thought, else it would have been like I said a Murder-suicide.

The person I really feel sorry for is Nora.. Losing a boyfriend like that is really rough on her, but what was really shocking is that Conan figured out that it was her hate for the other driver who killed her boyfriend/fiancee) that made him realize. that the best way to stop a lunatic from killing someone is to give them a rememberence of Flowers..

Frankly for the idea, the Plot out and out Flunks, but Just like the Compassion story last night this one Deserves some honorable mention so I give it a Grade of B-.. Sadly this is yet another one of the tear jerker moments as I like to call it. but as for a case in itself, well Let's just say there was no case..

Case Closed.
:coyote:

tucsoncoyote

07-28-2004, 07:43 AM

Wow, just one of those episodes you just sit back an watch the show unfold infront of you. Not much of a mystery that Nora wanted to kill that guy in the red sports car. But that was a nice story to watch, also I liked the ending but I felt sad too. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/sad%20ending.jpg)
Excuse me there sampo, I feel sad too, :( after all this is one of the more "Compassionate Detectives" who knows what it is like, to see someone go through something that rough.. At least Maye she can get on with her life.. *Sniff* <Excuse me I got Something in my eye...>

:coyote:

Sanwich

07-28-2004, 11:37 AM

This week's episodes have been interesting and enjoyable - not my favorites, but still definitely worth watching. I don't have much to add about last night's case, save a couple of random observations. First off, I wonder if those creeps had another job besides artists... Because how could they afford a sports-car when their sculptures were so darn ugly? ;) Also, I was kinda wincing when the woman was hugging the cactus there at the end. But it was a serious moment, so I'll let it pass. o_-

Dark Soul

07-28-2004, 01:45 PM

First two episodes of the week not bad. Mondays episode was an easy one to figure out.

1) No other suspects
2) It was easy to figure out how the murderer did it.

Last nights episode was different but it was very emotional. Its always good to have change. It was sad from the start and sad til the end. I feel bad for her losing her fiancee. Wasn't Justin Cook the docter.

I give Prickly Past an A

trunkschan90

07-28-2004, 01:53 PM

Last nights episode was different but it was very emotional. Its always good to have change. It was sad from the start and sad til the end. I feel bad for her losing her fiancee. Wasn't Justin Cook the docter.

I give Prickly Past an AActually the doctor was voiced by Eric Vale (Trunks, Yuji)

bigddan11

07-28-2004, 02:24 PM

Last nights episode was a good episode, but it wasn't as good as last weeks. I don't even think it was as good as Monday's. I like the emotional struggle, but the lady should have seemed more psycho at the beginning. I give it a B. Here's last nights additional VA's:

Lucy Small
Eric Vale
Bob Carter
Jeremy Inman
Jerome 57
Rebecca Paige
Daniel Katsuk
Kyle Hebert
Chris Cason
Z Chailes Belton
Nathanael Harrison

The Wolverine

07-28-2004, 02:43 PM

I didn't pay much attention to this episode, mainly because my brother was torturing me. Oh well...

Next Conan's hint
wet shirt

Dark Soul

07-28-2004, 03:04 PM

Actually the doctor was voiced by Eric Vale (Trunks, Yuji)Sometimes I get confused with those two. But at first I thought Eric Vale but then I thought Justin Cook oh well.

Freedom Fighter

07-28-2004, 06:05 PM

Tuesday - Prickly Past (3 out of 4)
Another out-of-the-ordinary episode, as the creators continue to find ways to keep the series fresh. In a twisted kinda way, this episode also revolves around the whole 'failed romance begats evil revenge' theme that's been prevalent in numerous mysteries in this show. It's also another hybrid Moore/JDL episode, with more focus on the Moores, but a whole lot more on just Conan alone.

Conan's good... carrying all of those cacti up those stairs, without pricking himself once! Don't think many people here could ever confess to that, huh?

Gee... not much else to say this time around. These 1 am shows are killing me.

LightShadow1890

07-28-2004, 07:05 PM

Nice episode. I felt bad for Nora. I mean, who wants to see a loved one burn to death because of some stupid idiots kept on fooling around? I wouldn't blame them. They should at least get a summon. That'll teach them to look at the road next time they drive.

Pretty odd how Conan got Richard to the two idiot's address. He should have been like "Conan, what are you talking about?" He's a bit too stubborn to follow Conan around since Conan's 7 and Richard's like, in his 30's.

Conan's got strength.

Can't wait for tonight's episode. I was just lucky I got to see Monday's and last night's since my mom slept early. This time I won't be so lucky. :sad:

The Wolverine

07-28-2004, 07:21 PM

Conan's good... carrying all of those cacti up those stairs, without pricking himself once! Don't think many people here could ever confess to that, huh?

Yeah... he's very strong. I'm twice his age and I can't even carry one of those, let alone five.

the Amanda

07-28-2004, 10:07 PM

I like that this episode was different, in that it was about stopping a murder rather than solving one. :)

PaQ

07-29-2004, 12:48 AM

I almost forgot to talk about last night's episode.

I find it interesting how Conan just mentioning Richard's name got the doctor to start opening up to him. How far times have gone, with Conan around Richard has gone from loser to best detective around. Seems Jimmy is starting to fade into the shadows. :sad:

For another episode in a row the target/victim is a person who got away with killing the suspect's significant other. It's a shame that they couldn't pin anything on that guy, and that she was going to resort to harm to get even. Reckless people..

Good pics as always Sampo. :)

SamCurt

07-29-2004, 01:03 AM

8. Oops, here's an edit - they even changed the picture! :eek:
"wet shirt"
"left-handed"
Hmmm... I wonder how that difference would affect the guessing game here? ;)

I think FUNi put the wrong hint. "wet shirt" is the hint of Ep 41.

Yash

07-29-2004, 01:05 AM

Thank you Case Closed... I just flamed someone thanks to your introduction thingy...

I noticed how they had the "I locked away my tears..." bit in the OP this time, as well as including the logo.

Rabi~en~Rose

07-29-2004, 01:12 AM

I'm going to say Richards been following a look-alike around and that the real guy was dead for awhile!

Youko Recca

07-29-2004, 01:24 AM

Yes! Finally somebody actually tries to kill Conan when he discovers them, hope it happens more often.

Rabi~en~Rose

07-29-2004, 01:26 AM

weeow!! yay! only one rabbit prevails and thats me! :) :) I got it right right right!

Behonkiss

07-29-2004, 01:27 AM

Nice ending. I thought the murderer's nonstop laid-back and cheerful attitude was annoying, then at the end he wetn totally insane and things got insane.

And another 2-parter that we'll have to wait half a week for the conclusion. Hurrah.

KuwabaraTheMan

07-29-2004, 01:28 AM

Wow, another good episode. Nice to see a murderer who lashes out and tries to kill Conan when he's revealed, a good change. Plus, Richard continues to notice the strange coincidinces that happen when Conan is around.

And tommorow's episode looks great, first part of a two-parter.

PickHut

07-29-2004, 01:29 AM

My cable went out after the commerical break. Lemme try to guess this one, the guy Richard was following was actually the guy that hired him in disguise. That's how he had a solid alibi and thought he could get away with murdering him, Conan then saves the day, yadda yadda yadda. Now, I hope the cable comes back on before it's second airing to see if I'm right or not.

PaQ

07-29-2004, 01:29 AM

Hahaha. Finally the revealed suspect attacks Conan! It had been way too many cases without that happening, I'm glad to see some realism with odds. I bet getting hit by that tire hurt a lot.. :eek:

Behonkiss

07-29-2004, 01:30 AM

Not to mention getting thrown into the back of a pickup.

RedBoot

07-29-2004, 01:34 AM

Good episode, but...

Why didn't they rewind the tape recorder to right before the murderer's statement, where they would have heard Conan talking?

Unless Conan didn't start recording til after he spoke, but still...

Anime Freak

07-29-2004, 01:39 AM

Best eppy so far this week and we see yet again why this show can only be on Adult Swim. Plus, tomorrow's eppy definetly looks way too dangerous for toonami fanbase. Still,the ending scene kicked ass, but I still gotta wonder why Conan didn't get knocked unconcious when he hit that truck. :rolleyes:

Youko Recca

07-29-2004, 01:41 AM

but I still gotta wonder why Conan didn't get knocked unconcious when he hit that truck. :rolleyes:
Would you?

Eddie G.

07-29-2004, 01:43 AM

Hahaha. Finally the revealed suspect attacks Conan! It had been way too many cases without that happening, I'm glad to see some realism with odds. I bet getting hit by that tire hurt a lot.. :eek:I'm glad to see someone who doesn't just go, "Hey you figured it out! Okay I lose, game over... now let me explain myself." Anyway this was a pretty good episode although I thought Richard was going to save Conan instead of Conan using the hyper kick. I also solved the mystery pretty easily.

Mr. Pedro

07-29-2004, 01:45 AM

Quite an engaging episode. I figured someone else had to stand in for Yancy. The encounter in the airport parking lot had a nice amount of suspense, and it's good to see Richard begining to notice that there may be more to Conan than he first suspected.

Grade: B

Another two-parter. No complaints (about the actual episode, at least) here.

Spidey2099

07-29-2004, 01:49 AM

Getting hit by a tire at supersonic speed...ouch.

And I never realized how much Inspector Meguire and Det. Moore look like Mario and Luigi when they stand together in a scene...:sweat:

Frank15

07-29-2004, 03:10 AM

I'm glad to see someone who doesn't just go, "Hey you figured it out! Okay I lose, game over... now let me explain myself."Well, you have to keep in mind that most of the murderers are not completely evil: heck, I'd have been surprised if Nora had tried to kill Conan on Monday's show, simply because of who she was. Considering today's villain's reason for murder, and his obviously phony attitude, I'd have been surprised if he didn't go ballistic.

I don't see what's wrong with not all the villains trying to kill Conan. Just like people are different, so are murderers. The reason they killed the person, and for that matter, their entire "being" has naturally to do with whether or not they'd try to kill Conan.

Actually, the completely unsympathetic villain probably explains why I didn't find this to be one of the better episodes.

Two-parters are nice, but I'd prefer for them not to start on a Thursday.

shogunthethird

07-29-2004, 03:50 AM

McGuire and Moore look like Mario and Luigi.....great now I'm going to have the image of conan going "the murderer is.....in another castle" stuck in my head for weeks, THANKS A LOT! still, this was clearly a case of "he doth protest too much" the dude when so far out of his way to prove the alibi that he incriminated himself, and to think he would've gotten away with it if it wasn't for....oh screw it

Gruntling

07-29-2004, 04:42 AM

Tonight's ep. was awesome! There was a lot of action at the end and the overlaying story of Jimmy and the men in black continues to develop. I'm glad that Richard is starting to notice Conan's uncanny ability to give away important clues. And the scene where the old lady noticed Conan's voice changes was hilarious!

I give this episode (which I can't remember the title) an A.

And I never realized how much Inspector Meguire and Det. Moore look like Mario and Luigi when they stand together in a scene...:sweat:
LOL... That's pretty good. :D

Sampo

07-29-2004, 05:51 AM

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM5.jpghttp://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM6.jpg

The great detective Richard Moore gets really POed when he finds out that the person he was tailing for the past couple of days ends up dead. What makes matters worse is that Richard becomes Newman's witness and helps with his alibi. So Conan again takes matters into his own hands (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/whatRUdoing.jpg)... Unlike the lovely Dentist from Monday's episode, Newman goes psychotic and tries to strangle the young detective. Luckily, Conan gets free from his grasp and sends a huge tire flying into his face. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/facefulloftire.jpg)

I am also glad this episode didn't turn out into a "I'm guess I did something wrong young detective, so I should turn myself in" type of deal. Although that was insane though watching Newman strangle poor Conan. I thought the episode with the two-faced brother was bad for him. :sweat:

I knew that the person Richard was tailing wasn't the real Yancey and that he must have been already dead. But, I didn't think about Newman hiring a body double though till Conan pointed it out.

Fun stuff I enjoyed from this episode. The cool time line (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/timeline.jpg) thing they used. Also the Double Noogie (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/doublenoogie.jpg) Richard gave Conan for butting in.

Getting hit by a tire at supersonic speed...ouch.

And I never realized how much Inspector Meguire and Det. Moore look like Mario and Luigi when they stand together in a scene...:sweat:*Sampo shakes his angry fist at Spidey2099 :D *

Arrggg, now I can't get this Super Mario tune out of my head. LOL. Good one.

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/marioNluigi.jpg

Luigi and Mario?

Good episode, but...

Why didn't they rewind the tape recorder to right before the murderer's statement, where they would have heard Conan talking?

Unless Conan didn't start recording til after he spoke, but still...Good point there. The only thing I can think of is that Conan had time after knocking out Newman to alter the tape. So he might have rewound and blank out the part when he spoke. *shrug*

tucsoncoyote

07-29-2004, 07:38 AM

After seeing tonight's Episode what can I say? Best Brain buster of the week.

sure Monday and Tuesday were compassion episodes. but tonight a Real puzzle but it wasn't until the Time Line showed up that I found the hole in that alibi. (and it was where the times overlapped. or more accurately Didn't..

This was one of those times the Murderer almost got away.. (and with a cool 2 Million to boot!) but it was the Left Handed man that gave the whole plot away.

ABe Yancy himself was indeed left handed. and in fact it wasn't until Saturday that we find out the body double was switched in for the now Dead Yancy...

and in fact you guys are right.. Mario and Luigi. (Moore and the Inspector that is!)

but the thing is this would have been no cakewalk, and it took a small hole and a right handed body double that could have let the Suspect slip through their grasp. and in fact I know for a fact that right after Conan Spoke, and he knowingly switched on the recorder.. That the Suspect's goose was cooked. (more like Barbequed.)

now while the last two shows were "Compassion Grades" this one was indeed a brain buster. and this one deserves a A++.

It's not very often that a case like this racks your brain but when it does, look out Conan will definitely crack it before we do.

Case Closed.

:coyote:

and Next Time another 2 Parter! oh yeah time to rack my brains on this next one, odds are i'll nail something down..

bigddan11

07-29-2004, 07:57 AM

Well, I would put this in the August schedule thread, but it's been closed for some reason. If they stay with the current broadcast schedule and the FUNi site with episode titles is correct, then here's episodes 41 through 52's names even though AS is apparently only airing through 48 this time around:

41- Billionaire Birthday Blues Part 2
42- The Victory Flag Vandalism Case
43- The Karaoke Box Murder Case
44- The Conan Edogawa Kidnapping Case
45- The Three Brothers Murder Case
46- The Facial Pack Murder Case
47- The Snowy Mountain Villa Murder Case
48- The Sports Club Murder Case
49- The Diplomat Murder Case Part 1
50- The Diplomat Murder Case Part 2
51- The Library Murder Case
52- The Golf Driving Range Murder Case

Looks like there's a lot of murders in store for us in the future.

We also know that episodes 53 through 55 are as follows from the DVD release:
53- The Mist Goblin Murder Part 1
54- The Mist Goblin Murder Part 2
55- Weapon Of Choice

randi

07-29-2004, 08:45 AM

Okay the winking Conan logo is lame. Really lame. Get rid of it. Heh "What a moron.". The hell is with the big wood pile of flames and something in the flames oddy. Dead body... I was wondering when they'd notice when all the stuff happened when Conan came. Wow the news is good. "A body was found today.". Good lord. Conan was kicking that ball like drums. This seems like another "How the hell did he do it?" epsoides. Heh "Does Conan have a bobo?". They are getting closer and closer to figuring out who Conan is. Man hit in the head with a tire should like break his jaw or something. Hum. When he got hit in the head with the tire the screen shot Sampo has it looks like he has a lot of hair. Next epsoide looks okay. Rachel ish teh dying. Poor thing.

Wee woo wee woo
Power down.

see201

07-29-2004, 10:30 AM

How far times have gone, with Conan around Richard has gone from loser to best detective around. Seems Jimmy is starting to fade into the shadows. :sad:
Don't worry... Jimmy gets to solve one soon. ;)

LightShadow1890

07-29-2004, 10:49 AM

Good thing my mom let me stay up. Good episode. Especially when Newman tried to kill Conan. We don't see that every day. Good idea of how the body was disposed off.

Next episode must be good. The scene that had the killer walking in darkness and Rachel being drowned almost scared me (in preview). Wait...she's dying?:eek:

Wait, when did "wet shirt" apply to last night's episode?

Well, this thread's gonna have lotsa theories after part One (I still remember "Richard's Class Reniunon". ) Can't wait! (I believe my thoery of the blood stain on the wall and the angle of Jamie's shot was turned out right)

The next hint is (drum roll plz!:anime: ):
power outage

Wait...how do you do "Next Conan's Hint" with the spoiler tags?:confused:

Frank15

07-29-2004, 11:53 AM

Because not all murderers have a change of heart when they're discovered. Most likely they would want to do away with the person who catches on to them and flee country.I think you're missing the point. It's not that the murderer necessarily has a change of heart, but that they'd have never killed anyone else in the first place. Like Keeler on Monday's show: we know exactly why she killed that man. Save for that, she was obviously a reasonable, nice person. She never had a change of heart, as she was never truly evil to begin with.

And that's exactly why so many of the murderers don't try to kill Conan: many of them are not bad people, but simply people who've made a mistake. And that's why tonight's villain did try to kill Conan: he was pretty evil to begin with!

SirLemming

07-29-2004, 12:01 PM

Good episode. There was a lot of stuff dealing with the overall plot of the series, like Conan talking about the "men in black" and Richard starting to suspect Conan of helping him. The scene at the end with the murderer trying to kill Conan was very intense.

As for why a lot of criminals don't try to kill Conan, remember that this guy didn't either until he knew Conan recorded the conversation, because he's just a kid and no one would believe him.

Wait, when did "wet shirt" apply to last night's episode?
Yeah, I think they screwed up the hint. It was originally "left-handed", as someone noted a few posts back.

bigddan11

07-29-2004, 12:25 PM

This was probably the best Case Closed episode of the week. Conan got to finally find out what it is like to have someone come after him again, and they finally mentioned then men In Black again. My biggest frustration so far with this series is that those men haven't returned. I give last nights episode an A. Here is the additional cast list:

Tyler Walker
Doug Smith
Shane Ray
Doug Smith (yes, they did have 2 Doug Smith's listed)
Shane Ray
Justin Cook
Brett Weaver
Bill Jenkins
Robert McCollum

Is it just me, or is Rachel the big target in these 2 part episodes. Last time she was the target, and this time around she is as well.

The Wolverine

07-29-2004, 02:31 PM

then here's episodes 41 through 52's names even though AS is apparently only airing through 48 this time around:

AS hasn't updated their main site. They are airing the 52 that they have.

As for the episode... overall a good one.

I found the suspect out the moment he was interviewed by Moore and the inspector. Just had to wait for Conan to find him out to prove I was correct.

Next Conan's hint
power outage

PickHut

07-29-2004, 02:59 PM

Ah, man, almost close, he hired a lookalike. Nice of them to bring up the "two men in black" plot, they went at least 25 episodes without mentioning them:sweat: . It was also cool that the murderer actually attempted to kill Conan, kinda got tired of these people giving up so easy (in some cases, others are understandable). And ouch, getting smacked in the face with a speeding tire must've hurt like hell.

It was a good episode, I give Flames of Confusion an A-.

Sampo

07-29-2004, 03:03 PM

...
The next hint is (drum roll plz!:anime: ):
power outage

Wait...how do you do "Next Conan's Hint" with the spoiler tags?:confused:You mean like this?

the spoiler!

You would type it like this:

[xspoiler*x=Type your text here]
the spoiler!
[/xspoiler*x]

Remove the asterisks "*" to make the above work.

Dark Soul

07-29-2004, 03:09 PM

Pretty good episode. Everyone knew who it was but how to prove was the tough part. Which was very interesting. Rachel and Richard may not be the best detectives but they will figure out Conan is Jimmy. If he wants to keep his identity a secret he better be more careful. It had a good ending but the murderer almost killed Conan.

I rate Flames of Confusion an A

Antiyonder

07-29-2004, 04:05 PM

I think you're missing the point. It's not that the murderer necessarily has a change of heart, but that they'd have never killed anyone else in the first place. Like Keeler on Monday's show: we know exactly why she killed that man. Save for that, she was obviously a reasonable, nice person. She never had a change of heart, as she was never truly evil to begin with.

And that's exactly why so many of the murderers don't try to kill Conan: many of them are not bad people, but simply people who've made a mistake. And that's why tonight's villain did try to kill Conan: he was pretty evil to begin with!
Still, even if a person commits a murder with a good reason, they're more likely to kill someone who catch on to their crime rather than coming to their senses. Just like Felix in The Mountain Villa Murder.

As someone pointed out, this is why Conan needs to watch out when confronting the suspect as himself, Richard or whoever without anyone in the room. No telling if he/she has a loaded weapon to fire.

Spidey2099

07-29-2004, 04:13 PM

McGuire and Moore look like Mario and Luigi.....great now I'm going to have the image of conan going "the murderer is.....in another castle" stuck in my head for weeks, THANKS A LOT!
Muwa Ha Ha HA HA HA...!

...But still, in case there are those who don't see the resemblance, stare at this for a minute:

http://www.angelfire.com/film/spidey2099animatedhq/images/MarioandLuigi

Sampo

07-29-2004, 04:59 PM

PaQ

07-29-2004, 05:27 PM

loo@marioandluigiresembla.nce

I think a big thing I liked about this episode, was how they were beginning to wonder about Conan a bit more. Why his parents aren't around, or went off right away without him. How he seems to point Richard in the right direction, or how he was dribbling that soccerball. And the guy that talks about the brat, when he was the only one fitting that description. I'm glad they aren't just acting as if it's normal and occasionally become aware of the odd coincidences.

Freedom Fighter

07-29-2004, 05:30 PM

Wednesday - "Flames of Confusion" (3.5 out of 4)

Interesting episode. To think Richard was an accessory to a murder. Man, and it seems that Richard and Rachel are ever getting so close to figuring out Conan's true identity. And that Rich is getting tired of the boy... he questioned where his 'parents' were!

It seems more realistic when the 'culprit' tries to off Conan for exposing their evil plots. No, I don't hate Conan... but this way, it makes the whole thing more realistic. Luckily, Conan was able to escape and kick a big ol' tire into the guy.

Tonight's going to be interesting. What has Rachel gotten into now? And will Conan blow his cover trying to save her?

Spastic Minnow

07-29-2004, 06:00 PM

Tonight's going to be interesting. What has Rachel gotten into now? And will Conan blow his cover trying to save her?
And those questions will be fully answered on... Monday Night!

I wish AS wouldn't run the two parters over a weekend. This is the second or third time they've done that. Oh well, DVRing it tonight, will watch it and the second part next week.

the Amanda

07-29-2004, 07:29 PM

Muwa Ha Ha HA HA HA...!

...But still, in case there are those who don't see the resemblance, stare at this for a minute:

http://www.angelfire.com/film/spidey2099animatedhq/images/MarioandLuigi
That was excellent :D

Good episode. Maybe Conan will be more careful from now on about confronting murderers. :sweat: I really liked Conan gleefully dribbling the soccer ball while fantasizing about Richard's failures.

Frank15

07-29-2004, 07:37 PM

Still, even if a person commits a murder with a good reason, they're more likely to kill someone who catch on to their crime rather than coming to their senses. Just like Felix in The Mountain Villa Murder.Fair enough. I still think it may hang on the particular person, that some people would simply be more likely to lash out regardless. Plus, some of the villains that may have tried to off Conan if he were older may hold back simply because of Conan's being a kid. Or at least, as far as they know, he's a kid. Someone who may kill an adult may not necessarily try to kill a kid.

Certainly, I'll concede that some of the more-restrained villains could have, and perhaps should have, tried to kill Conan. I don't think they all would, or should, though. Monday's show is a good example of a show where I couldn't really imagine the villain killing Conan: I could tell she wasn't going to, even when it looked like she might.

Freedom Fighter

07-29-2004, 11:06 PM

I really liked Conan gleefully dribbling the soccer ball while fantasizing about Richard's failures.
Almost forgot about that. Man, I was just as stunned as Rachel. If that doesn't tip her off to Conan's true identity, I don't know what will.

Phibrizo

07-29-2004, 11:21 PM

I liked this episode muchly. Why?

Richard's catching on! :eek:
Conan "meets his match"
When Conan gets his boo-boo kissed ;)

Originally Posted by Spidey2099
Muwa Ha Ha HA HA HA...!

...But still, in case there are those who don't see the resemblance, stare at this for a minute:

http://www.angelfire.com/film/spide...s/MarioandLuigi (http://www.angelfire.com/film/spide...s/MarioandLuigi)

....:sweat: now that you put it that way...

randi Okay the winking Conan logo is lame. Really lame
To me, it's kind of creepy :sweat: ...Conan shouldn't wink like that.

Originally Posted by AuroraSzalinski
I really liked Conan gleefully dribbling the soccer ball while fantasizing about Richard's failures

Like a friggin' robot nonetheless. And he's all nonchalant about it :eek:

Samurai Karasu

07-29-2004, 11:24 PM

This seems like the kind of episode as Richard's Class Reunion. We have to figure out who it is over the weekend. Good luck all, hopefully this episode is at least as good :P

Spidey2099

07-29-2004, 11:44 PM

I'm beginning to see more resemblances:

http://www.angelfire.com/film/spidey2099animatedhq/images/PeachandToad

:D

SirLemming

07-30-2004, 12:18 AM

I'm beginning to see more resemblances:

http://www.angelfire.com/film/spidey2099animatedhq/images/PeachandToad

:D
Am I the only one who's totally not being able to see these?

Samurai Karasu

07-30-2004, 01:13 AM

We have about six suspects before the first half of the show is even over. Jesus this is gonna be a tough one....

Youko Recca

07-30-2004, 01:15 AM

Ooh, I have a feeling I'm gonna like this one. Good suspects introduced. For fun I'll put my money on Koenma.

Behonkiss

07-30-2004, 01:20 AM

After the sugar scene and her relation to the drowned girl, I'm putting my money on Nonee.

EDIT: Hold it, now someone else has Rachel....Maybe she's in cahoots with someone?

Samurai Karasu

07-30-2004, 01:26 AM

it's not Quentin simply just cause that'd be too obvious. I think it's the guy with the glasses who's always fidgety.

Edit: I friggin KNEW Recca would be done in.

Now I kinda have a theroy between Micheal, captian Klutz, and that one snooty bastard. The whole preview thing shys me away from Nani and I really can't directly decide just yet here. Here's hopin I can narrow it down.

Also, is it just me or do these guys have to piss like racehorses every god-damn minute?

Behonkiss

07-30-2004, 01:27 AM

OK, I thought Reika could've done it too. Now she's dead. Have to wait till Monday.

"HE BURNED MY CHEST HAIRS OFF!" Laughed out loud at that one.

randi

07-30-2004, 01:28 AM

Damn Richard ate very fast. Eh Blue boxes of doom once again. "Little body little blatter.". Okay... Jeez everyone is trying to get that girl in a car. Well well well. Heh,Don't get one of Richard's rent-a-car tires. Well it looks like that "I've got show off hair." guy died. I think it is the pony tail guy because he blames the person and then I'll end up wrong. Hum. Didn't pop Richard's car and then desided to anyway. Man everyone had to use the jon didn't they. Or maybe its the old lady that I should blame. Does anyone notice Conan is also drinking coffee. I mean whats with that. A bell and glass breaking. Hum... Well Rachel saw Jimmy insted of Conan. Whats the difference. Ahahaha. Well the gril everyone was after is dead. Who could it be. I say its it old lady because I don't trust old people.

Wet Shirt again

KuwabaraTheMan

07-30-2004, 01:29 AM

Damn this guys even sicker than Felix was. Going around drowning people, and all. Not sure at all on who did it, this is a real brainteaser.

Kenshirou

07-30-2004, 01:30 AM

I loved this episode. I still don't have a solid guess on the killer... I'm thinking its Quentin because hes straying from the group alot, but then again, the killer is the one you least suspect.

Nin-Nin69

07-30-2004, 01:31 AM

I think we've got a new motto for the show.

"Little Body....Little Bladder."

Youko Recca

07-30-2004, 01:32 AM

Yeah that chest hair thing made me laugh. Obviously anyone who has doused sleeves are the one who did it, and now I have a feeling the one who wanted to go to get the towels is the killer. Plus the drowing of people also probally has to do with how the girl died...damn this is infact a good one so far.

SirLemming

07-30-2004, 01:33 AM

There has been a DEFINITE increase in quality this week. And considering how good this series has always been, that's a very good thing.
It's hard to pinpoint it exactly -- which is probably why it's so good. The show just overall seems even more interesting and exciting than it used to be.
Of course, I still have to watch last week's episodes on tape, so maybe it started then. Although the dentist episode, the first of this week, wasn't so hot.

I have no idea about the killer... at this point it seems like it can't possibly be just one person.

And the hint! What the heck? It was "wet shirt" on Monday's episode, when it was supposed to be "left-handed".

Yash

07-30-2004, 01:33 AM

Quentin's too obvious.

I liked the "ass-kissing" line, simply because I'd never heard the phrase "ass-kissing" in a FUNimation dub, Uncut or otherwise.

No one can be sicker than that Felix bastard... cutting people's heads off...

Whee.

Tash

07-30-2004, 01:34 AM

I blame the Koenma guy, because he told everyone to start checking the other rooms, even though they didn't know she was missing yet.i sure hope that isn't the case, because they used that trick during another 2-parter...

Youko Recca

07-30-2004, 01:37 AM

Edit: I friggin KNEW Recca would be done in.

Say what now?

Samurai Karasu

07-30-2004, 01:47 AM

.....god damn my continious lack of memory about what the peoples names were. I friggin knew REIKA would be done in.

There we go.

HumanoidTyphoon

07-30-2004, 01:54 AM

it's not Quentin simply just cause that'd be too obvious.I don't know with the last few two parters it ended up being the obvious choice. I'll have to watch this again as I really wasn't paying attention.:sweat:

PickHut

07-30-2004, 02:04 AM

I'm guessing Nonee and Quentin are working together. I find it hard to believe one lone person was able to do most of the things in this episode without getting caught......I'll post my usual mini review/thoughts/whatever later.

edit: Eh, why waste another post?

I was starting to get a bit worried about this two parter (still am, actually), I thought it was going to be another Mountain Villa Murder, except it has Richard. The "incident" years back, someone trying to kill Rachel, people running out of windows and into the forest (I was expecting another chopped up body), hell, the manison almost looked like the villa. It was also kinda hard to concentrate because of all those silly voices, I kept of thinking of Terrance & Philip from South Park when some of them talked:sweat: . As for the "who did it?", I still think Nonee and Quentin were working together.

Well, I guess we have another weekend to think about this. I give Billionaire Birthday Blues Part 1 an A-.

Frank15

07-30-2004, 03:09 AM

I'm guessing the killer used the microwaves, of which there seemed to be at least two, to overload the circuits, to bring down the power. Microwaves are funny like that... use almost any other appliance at the same time, and it overloads the circuit. Certainly using multiple microwave ovens at once could do the trick, or even just by putting something in the microwave that shouldn't be in there.

Now why would the killer want to kill Rachel... that makes the case more confusing, since it seems no one would have a reason to want to kill her. Not sure how Rachel's connected in this mess.

Anyway, my guess is that someone's killed the people for revenge, for that girl who died trying to save the stuck-up wench. Possibly a girlfriend, or possibly a sibling. I don't know, really. I'm just betting that someone other than Nonee knew this girl, and that this other person is the one who's doing the killing. I just have no idea who the person is....

...or why (s)he'd try to kill Rachel.

jeffrey 228

07-30-2004, 03:13 AM

Chris Sanders MSX

07-30-2004, 04:21 AM

The guy in the glasses did it! I say it cause he walked in carrying juice while the first murder took place. Everyone else who was alive but Nani and four eyes
was in the room as the murder happened.

Nani is working with him or the each have separate agenda's. Thats my guess.

To be definitive I'll say 4 eyes killed people and Nani is helping.

tucsoncoyote

07-30-2004, 04:38 AM

I'm beginning to see more resemblances:

http://www.angelfire.com/film/spidey2099animatedhq/images/PeachandToad

:Dand if that's true.. maybe Dr. Agassa is King Coopa, if not Warrio.

:coyote:

Sampo

07-30-2004, 04:47 AM

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/suspects.jpg

Alright so who is the suspect out of these people here drowning people. Let's go over some interesting facts.

-All of the eligible bachelors and Reika's car were disabled due to tire damage, yet the other guests including Richard's rental wasn't touched. Until Steve is found dead, then someone slashed the famous detective's tires.

-Before Steve's death, Quentin volunteered to drive Richard, Rachel, and Conan home. Also he doesn't appear to like Reika much.

-A death of a young lady who was Nonee's grand daughter died during a storm out at sea 2 years ago. She went out on a raft to help out Steve and Reika, but she drowned while they lived through the storm.

-All the air con units were fired up to start at 12:30, that's the same time of the blackout. This could have caused the black out.

-Rachel's coffee was drugged, but why would the murderer do that and try to drown her (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/racheldrowning.jpg)?

At first I thought it was lovely but bratty Reika (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/reikamurderer.jpg), but when she turned up dead at the end of the episode that shot my theory down. So after reviewing the episode once more...

I think Donald did it. When they split up into groups, Donald was with Steve and Dirk. So that could give him an opportunity to kill Steve. When the murderer drugged the coffee, it appeared random who would drink from which cup. If you watch everyone drinking their cup, the only one that paused before taking a sip was Donald. Maybe he wanted to make sure someone appeared to become sleepy or he might knock himself out. Lastly, the second time they had a round of coffee, Donald slapped Richard (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/slap.jpg) on the back causing him to spill his hot coffee. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/coffee.jpg) Thus Richard had to run immediately to the bathroom and spotted the dead corpse of Reika.

Couple more images here from the episode. Richard pigging out! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/pig.jpg) I agree, that was a nice Rachel and Conan moment there. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/conanNrachel.jpg) Another shot of rich snob Reika. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/brat.jpg) Richard peering into the microwave (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/microwave.jpg) in search of Reika. I wonder in what way the microwave and the bell sound contribute to the mystery of this case.

As for a motive. Maybe Donald was in love with that Nonee's grand daughter and hated the fact that she died while Reika and Steve survived. Also he might despises the rest of the guys because they allowed the young lady to go out by herself on a raft.

I guess that's all I can think of right now.

Later.

Ashara

07-30-2004, 04:48 AM

I think Nonee did it because Reika is the reason her granddaughter died. I liked that theory of the overload of circuits previously stated. She probably knew about Reika getting married and didn't want her to get married to that particular person. That Conan/Jimmy/Rachel scene was kinda interesting. I can't wait until monday!

PS: MICHAEL = KOENMA

Ultra8

07-30-2004, 05:07 AM

An interesting week, a dentist out for Revenge, missed Tues., a clever body double switch/ bonfire caper, and a perplexing murder part1.
My hunch points to glasses boy though there seems to be a connection with Nanni.:confused: Hmm...
A++ for Mon-Wed
The 2 parter gets rated on Monday.

tucsoncoyote

07-30-2004, 07:58 AM

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/suspects.jpg

Too Little Info, too many suspects, but we'll reduce the number very quickly.

First off Let's analyze this from different aspects

1. Dirk Copeland would be the most trusted of the group (since Reika's dad trusted him the most and usually according to most murders the victim knows the suspect..) so really Dirk would be # 1 in this case but remember he didn't kill Reika as he didn't leave the room before Quentin did.. or did he? I'll get back to this in a moment.

2. Quentin is least likely to be the one because all he was interested in was getting with Reika's dad to do business with him (but what is interesting is the fact that Quentin wasn't with Steve when he was killed but he was out of his room when Reika was found (But that would mean he would have had to kill Steve first then try to off Rachel, the go after Reika.. (I would say no..)

3. Donald seems to be the most likely suspect, he was there when steve got offed, and then possibly did the deed to rachel to try and drown her. (now here is a flaw in this.. (notice that Steve and Reika died in Low positons (a Bathtub and a fountain? While Rachel was nearly drowned in a kitchen sink (Way too high for Nonee to kill her). but perhaps she had help.. More on that as well in a moment

4. Michael is the Least likely suspect but perhaps was the most surprised to find Steve dead.. so he might have motive.

5. Nonee is perhaps the most likely as well but then again we'll get to her in a moment as well and this ties into to the previous statements.

Now then... let's know the facts..

A. Dirk was the most trusted.
B. Both Reika and Steve drowned in Low overhanging basins,
C. Quentin really couldn't have done it..

so where does that leave us..

well here's a good hint.. It's not just 1 person.. it's 2..

That's right 2 murders here.. and lemme tell you why..

First off, Let's start with Reika and Steve.. they were killed in low overhanging basin (Steve in a fountain, Reika in a bathtub.) now the only one who could ahve done this is of course Nonee.. (that's right that little ol woman is really one of the killers...

but then who's the other? Well here ya go..

It's Donald.. or Michael. I haven't figured uut which one yet.. My gut is saying Michael, but my logic is saying Donald..and here is the reason why.

Now Michael is of course the least likely suspect, which would put him on the top of my suspect list. Why? Easy..

The motive is Passion.. Michael, probably Loved Sonya. and Nonee could sense it. and she was of course Sonya's Grandma. but when Sonya Drowned and Reika and Steve survived.. well things changed..

Michael told Nonee about the death, the Old Lady took it hard. and here is what happened.

Nonee Killed both Steve and Reika for their dirty deed. but then perhaps why was Rachel's Life spared? (Nonee gave the key, how Rachel was so much like Sonya..)

so when you remove all of this the real killer here is Michael Stuart. and the reason he killed Reika and Steve is because he swore revenge against them When Sonya Drowned. (and he slipped the drug and unknowingly Rachel got it.. but he figured he's exact some revenge as well but when he saw Rachel and how she was so much like Sonya.. He didn't kill her..(but Steve and Reika he did..

so there ya go.. I'm going to go with Michael.

:coyote:

Samurai Karasu

07-30-2004, 08:30 AM

Too Little Info, too many suspects, but we'll reduce the number very quickly.

First off Let's analyze this from different aspects

1. Dirk Copeland would be the most trusted of the group (since Reika's dad trusted him the most and usually according to most murders the victim knows the suspect..) so really Dirk would be # 1 in this case but remember he didn't kill Reika as he didn't leave the room before Quentin did.. or did he? I'll get back to this in a moment.

2. Quentin is least likely to be the one because all he was interested in was getting with Reika's dad to do business with him (but what is interesting is the fact that Quentin wasn't with Steve when he was killed but he was out of his room when Reika was found (But that would mean he would have had to kill Steve first then try to off Rachel, the go after Reika.. (I would say no..)

3. Donald seems to be the most likely suspect, he was there when steve got offed, and then possibly did the deed to rachel to try and drown her. (now here is a flaw in this.. (notice that Steve and Reika died in Low positons (a Bathtub and a fountain? While Rachel was nearly drowned in a kitchen sink (Way too high for Nonee to kill her). but perhaps she had help.. More on that as well in a moment

4. Michael is the Least likely suspect but perhaps was the most surprised to find Steve dead.. so he might have motive.

5. Nonee is perhaps the most likely as well but then again we'll get to her in a moment as well and this ties into to the previous statements.

Now then... let's know the facts..

A. Dirk was the most trusted.
B. Both Reika and Steve drowned in Low overhanging basins,
C. Quentin really couldn't have done it..

so where does that leave us..

well here's a good hint.. It's not just 1 person.. it's 2..

That's right 2 murders here.. and lemme tell you why..

First off, Let's start with Reika and Steve.. they were killed in low overhanging basin (Steve in a fountain, Reika in a bathtub.) now the only one who could ahve done this is of course Nonee.. (that's right that little ol woman is really one of the killers...

but then who's the other? Well here ya go..

It's Donald.. or Michael. I haven't figured uut which one yet.. My gut is saying Michael, but my logic is saying Donald..and here is the reason why.

Now Michael is of course the least likely suspect, which would put him on the top of my suspect list. Why? Easy..

The motive is Passion.. Michael, probably Loved Sonya. and Nonee could sense it. and she was of course Sonya's Grandma. but when Sonya Drowned and Reika and Steve survived.. well things changed..

Michael told Nonee about the death, the Old Lady took it hard. and here is what happened.

Nonee Killed both Steve and Reika for their dirty deed. but then perhaps why was Rachel's Life spared? (Nonee gave the key, how Rachel was so much like Sonya..)

so when you remove all of this the real killer here is Michael Stuart. and the reason he killed Reika and Steve is because he swore revenge against them When Sonya Drowned. (and he slipped the drug and unknowingly Rachel got it.. but he figured he's exact some revenge as well but when he saw Rachel and how she was so much like Sonya.. He didn't kill her..(but Steve and Reika he did..

so there ya go.. I'm going to go with Michael.

:coyote:
Goodness Tuscon, you're certainly sure of yourself. I can only imagine how bad that would suck if you were to get it wrong :(

I have a gut feeling that it's Donald but my logic sense brings to mind the thought that Dirk Copeland is our killer. He could have killed Steve for some stupid reason I don't understand but im quite sure he could get the company from Mr. Gilmore since he was so trustworthy and he seemed to be the closest in line and didn't want to waste time schmoozing with Reika. Also it could be revealed in the next episode that the killer framed Nonee by placing the victims so low down. The Thought of a wirey old woman commiting these murders is tempting to accept though.

see201

07-30-2004, 10:20 AM

Why his parents aren't around, or went off right away without him.
Oh, don't worry... We'll see one of Conan's "parents" soon enough... ;)

As for the current two parter, so far there are lots of theories, but there's something missing that no-one has mentioned yet. :D

Next week has three great episodes, so be sure not to miss it! ... Okay, you can miss the one boring one, but I'm not going to tell you which one that is, so you'll have to watch them all anyway! MWA HA HA HA HA!!! :p

Youko Recca

07-30-2004, 11:21 AM

If Steve got killed by a fragile, decrepit lady like Nonee then his ass must be so damn weak that he should just have been considered last minute practise.

bigddan11

07-30-2004, 11:34 AM

The hint was wet shirt once more. I guess this time they got it correct, but will they go back and correct that on the first episode earlier this week?

As for last nights episode, I enjoyed the fact that Rachel was protected by Conan, and she saw him as Jimmy and admitted she loved him. Of that doesn't make Jimmy want to get to his age more than before, then what will? Nonee couldn't have been the one that tried to kill Rachel, because Nonee was with Richard at that time, and that was a high sink they tried to drown her in. I give this episode an A just because they didn't really give any clues this episode, otherwise it would have been an A+. Heres the additional cast:

James Fields
Jay Moses
Eric Vale
Sean Teague
Rob Bricken
Juli Erickson
Laura Bailey
Justin Cook

The episode writer was once more Christopher Neel. He wrote all this weeks episodes.

Dark Soul

07-30-2004, 12:41 PM

Well good episode of the two parter. Well I definately don't think its Koenma. Well I think its Dirk. Well first off he knows every room of the house. He was also very strange in his room like if he was waiting for something to happen . So he's on my list. I really don't think its Nonee even though wait one sec.

Nonee would have a motive because of her granddaughter dying. And the reason why proves it you see the pattern Steve and Reika died because her granddaughter died because what Nonee thinks is that Reika and Steve left her to die. And trying to kill Rachel because she resembles her granddaughter and can't stand the sight of her.

But I have a feeling its Dirk or Nonee working together.
But Nonee could be framed and Donald old four eyes could be working with Dirk
And I could see Donald killing them. So those are my three.

Next Conan hint
wet shirt

Sanwich

07-30-2004, 03:21 PM

Another week, another two-parter. And yes, that moment between Rachel and Conan/Jimmy was really cute. Or touching. Or whatever. n_n;

As for the murderer, while I wouldn't be surprised if it was the old woman, I'm going to put my money on Dirk instead. This is a case where I'm pretty much throwing caution to the wind and breaking the case-solving 'formula' a bit. Normally, I would suggest that it has to do with revenge and the 'accident' at the island, though it's my opinion that the murderer doesn't really care about that at all. I'm not even sure what Dirk does for a living, but he seemed like a good friend of Reika's father - perhaps he wanted the company for himself? After all, with no daughter to marry off and no possible husband, who would be left to take over?

Also, Dirk was the one who suggested they have coffee in the first place, and he made sure Nonee was the one getting it. He suggested a lot of other things too, which I noticed but totally forget now. o_x I agree with some folks in that Nonee is being framed here - I mean, Rachel reminds her of her grandaughter... Why would she try to kill her? Unless she's just crazy. o_-; Also, she openly discussed with Conan the fact that the lights were out, and acknowledged that it wasn't a normal occurence.

As far as why Rachel was a target, I have no clue. It seems really odd that the drugged coffee could have been intended for any specific target - I mean, everyone grabbed coffee from the tray, so anyone could have gotten that cup. Unless it's one of those things you're not supposed to worry about. ;)

Oh, and notice who was near the broken window when Richard and Conan got there? Dirk was among them. I think he broke the window intentionally to lead everyone outside while Rachel was being 'taken care of'. But that's pretty much all I've got. o_-;

Now I cross my fingers and wait until Monday. ;)

JetMaster5

07-30-2004, 04:10 PM

I wonder....is Quentin Mifune part of the main cast? Or is it the other guy and Quentin has no relation with?

LightShadow1890

07-30-2004, 04:18 PM

It's likely that they isn't just one murderer, unlike "Smooth Sailing" and "Richard's Class Renunion". I'll plug in everyone's theories and add mine.

Reika Gilmore-Well, she was missing for most of the episode, so I wouldn't be so suprised if everyone got fooled, thinking it was her (I thought it was her too). But when Conan and Richard found her dead (either the bathroom where he met Nonnee or the bathroom Conan had to use earlier)...THEORY BUSTED.

Steve Sloan-None. He was found dead (at least first).

Donald Hiblar-Hmmm...I don't think it's him, but I'll add everyone's: Tuscon said he was likely to since he was there when Steve got the kick out of life and could have tried to kill Rachel. Sampo says he could have due to the fact that he was with Steve while looking for Reika. Chris Sanders goes with this suspect cause he was carrying juice (I don't remember seeing that). Jeffery's motive for Donnie doesn't seem right...but I'll put him anyway. Samarai Karasu has him with Dirk.

Quentin Mifune-He strays a lot...and we saw him going for the bathroom. I'll put everyone else who suspected Quentin(I suspected him): PickHut,[solid]snake.

Dirk Copeland-Maybe. He could have tried to drown Rachel...but if Reika was killed during early early morning (Dirk, Mike, and Nonee's bathroom break), he couldn't have possibly done it, since he was in his room the whole time. He's a good suspect for Steve though. Let's see...who suspected him again?

Samurai Karasu
flmaing dragon
Sanwich

Micheal Stewart-Odd. I don't think it's him since he was with some other group. And he was in the room all the time. But the bathroom thing.... Well, don't see him killing Rachel. Tuscon, Yuoko, and some guy named "me" suspects him.

Nonee-It could be revenge. Sonya had to die in the storm trying to save Stevie and Reika, but Steve and Reika were fine all along. She could have killed Reika and Steve for that...but she couldn't have killed Rachel, let alone put the sleeping pills in. She'd have to be very fast in order to do that and go down low to a cupboard. And also, she'd have to push Steve and Reika in. And don't forget, she's pretty darn small. I think she could only kill Steve, or maybe she killed Steve and Reika also, but hid her body. Here's who suspected her (don't forget me!):flaming dragon, Ashara, PickHut and BehonKiss.

Here's the two motives:

1) Revenge for Sonya
2) Taking out the competition (for the remaining bachelors).

Hey, you think a seriel killer did it?

Also:

The part with Conan and Rachel was sweet! I need pictures!

You know, this Mario thing's going a little out of hand. I saw the pictures, and they were really funny. :anime:

Wee woo Wee woo!
wet shirt...finally, they got it right!
Thank you Sampo! :D However's got a wet shirt must have done it. If they all have wet shirts...oh god....

Oh, and Frank: The microwave was not used for the outage. It was mentioned because Conan found it closed when it should have been opened (note that right after Richard left that kitchen, there was a clear shot that microwave was open).

See ya later! ;)

Sampo

07-30-2004, 06:00 PM

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Reika Gilmore-Well, she was missing for most of the episode, so I wouldn't be so suprised if everyone got fooled, thinking it was her (I thought it was her too). But when Conan and Richard found her dead (either the bathroom where he met Nonnee or the bathroom Conan had to use earlier)...THEORY BUSTED.
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It might have been the bathroom Conan first met Nonee, since the main lights were not working.

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Here's the two motives:

1) Revenge for Sonya
2) Taking out the competition (for the remaining bachelors).
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I was going with number 2 at first, but with Reika dead that motive doesn't make much sense. :sweat:

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The part with Conan and Rachel was sweet! I need pictures!

Sure here you go. Updated pics of that Conan and Rachel moment. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/conanNrachel.jpg)

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Oh, and Frank: The microwave was not used for the outage. It was mentioned because Conan found it closed when it should have been opened (note that right after Richard left that kitchen, there was a clear shot that microwave was open).
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After thinking about that, it is possible that the microwave could contribute to the power outage. If you fire up all the electrical appliances at once, it can cause a brownout/blackout.

Thanks for putting everyones comments/theories into one post.:)

Later.

NeueZielZeon

07-30-2004, 06:38 PM

Spidey2099

07-30-2004, 08:07 PM

After thinking about that, it is possible that the microwave could contribute to the power outage. If you fire up all the electrical appliances at once, it can cause a brownout/blackout.I'll have to agree with you on that. My microwave can't be used when other appliances are running because it short circuits. It's very understandable that the killer used all of the remotes to tax the air conditioners, then turned on the microwave to deliver the final blow. Which meant that the person was in the kitchen at the time of the blackout. Hope this tidbit helps someone out, but I wouldn't know because I wasn't really watching.

and if that's true.. maybe Dr. Agassa is King Coopa, if not Warrio.

:coyote:I would say Wario. I haven't given much thought to the other characters, but I'll have to say...George is definately Wart.

Samurai Karasu

07-30-2004, 09:03 PM

I find the microwave closing to be some sort of hint as to the killer being taller then Nonee. But then again since this was when the rachel drowning took place it's not much of a hint :(

Phibrizo

07-30-2004, 11:43 PM

At first I thought it was Nonee...but then Dirk comes to mind. Or it could smack me in the face and end up being Donald. Or Koenma :p

And the Rachel/Conan part...awwwww :anime:

So far so good...can't wait until next week

LightShadow1890

07-31-2004, 01:37 AM

Actually, something said in the first part of this case intrigued me. I believe it was Dirk who stated to Conan that he knows his way around the manor as a result of the numerous get-togethers in the past. It would indeed be a very large advantage for the killer to know his or her way around the house, knowing where to hide, and most importantly, if Dirk knew his way around, he would most likely know the locations of the furnace controllers (which, or course, were all set on timers at the same time to overload the power in the manor).

While I have misinterpreted an amount of whodunnit cases in the past, I believe I really have something here. So, to brush off an old chestnut -

Dirk, the murderer is YOU!

Edit: Not reading the rest of the thread beforehand, it looks like Flaming Dragon has the same idea as I do.If Dirk ment get-togethers, as in the whole group meetings...some of them might know their way around too. Nonee might know also...she seems like a maid there.

What's with the Mountain Villa episode? Was this aired last week? Sorry, I was away at that time.:sad:.Somebody give me a summary of what happened.

Thanks for the pics Sampo! How'd you get them, you got the DVD's? :confused: The microwave thing...yeah...that could happen. When my house short circuited because I had the computer, TV, AC, lights, and hairdryer on. That can apply to the power out. But that doesn't bump out that fact that all the vents were progammed to be all on at the time of the blackout.

I haven't covered the part with Rachel. Why would somebody try to kill Rachel. Nonee couldn't do it. One, its too high, and she needs to carry Rachel. Two, Sonya. It had to be a guy. It's pretty unclear why, and who. Everyone was outside. Reika could have, but she was dead maybe. I tried comparing the build of the characters, but it didn't work.

I wish they didn't air this while on a weekend. I HATE waiting!:sad:

raykremer

07-31-2004, 03:28 AM

Am I the only one who's totally not being able to see these? It seems that when people leave the file extension off the graphic, Netscape (Mozilla too I suppose) doesn't know what to do with it and just displays the ASCII text. IE, forgiving as always to bad webpage coding, displays it fine.

Sampo

07-31-2004, 03:43 AM

If Dirk ment get-togethers, as in the whole group meetings...some of them might know their way around too. Nonee might know also...she seems like a maid there.

What's with the Mountain Villa episode? Was this aired last week? Sorry, I was away at that time.:sad:.Somebody give me a summary of what happened.
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Not-so-good, very brief recap.

A bunch of guys and gals from a Film club get together in a villa. One of them dressed up in black robe with face mask and hacked up one of the female character's arms and limbs off... including her head. While this is happening, the psycho masked guy is also after Rachel. Conan pieces enough of the clues together and finds out Felix, who at first appeared to be chubby, was disgusing his weight. Under his shirt he hid the mask and robes of the killer... Also earlier he had the decapitated head of the young lady under his shirt to. Felix then revealed how that young lady caused a friend to commit suicide.

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Thanks for the pics Sampo! How'd you get them, you got the DVD's? :confused: ...
I use a DVR (digital video recorder) program that came with a video card that I bought a while back for my computer. I DVR the episode, then play it back a little later and take screen captures of various images. It was a great investment, since a lot of people here seem to enjoy the images :sweat:

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I wish they didn't air this while on a weekend. I HATE waiting!:sad:Aye meet too, oh well.:(

Am I the only one who's totally not being able to see these?It seems that when people leave the file extension off the graphic, Netscape (Mozilla too I suppose) doesn't know what to do with it and just displays the ASCII text. IE, forgiving as always to bad webpage coding, displays it fine.Gah that bites. That is a nice pic of Conan (as Toad) and Rachel (as Princess Peach)

If you are using Netscape, right click on the ASCII text and select "save page as". Then add in a ".jpg" extension to the file before saving. Then you should be able to view the pic from your computer.

SirLemming

07-31-2004, 12:47 PM

Gah that bites. That is a nice pic of Conan (as Toad) and Rachel (as Princess Peach)

If you are using Netscape, right click on the ASCII text and select "save page as". Then add in a ".jpg" extension to the file before saving. Then you should be able to view the pic from your computer.
HA! You think I'd trust Netscape? I wouldn't use it at all if it weren't for that IE virus thing I heard about in the newspaper. Anyone hear any updates about that yet?

But I had tried pasting the links and nothing happened. It turns out I actually had to open the FORUM page within IE and click on the link there. And if the link is in a quote, it doesn't work. Odd. But yes, that's a funny GIF.

tenken

07-31-2004, 01:53 PM

This episode confused the hell outta me mostly because a) I was half asleep at the time and b) nearly all the suspects seemed to be rich guys in suits so I kept having trouble telling them apart.

I don't think it's Nonee, mainly because she's so short and (probably) weak.

Meh... I think I need to go back and watch the episode a few more times before I draw any conclusions.

Sampo

07-31-2004, 03:38 PM

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Gah that bites. That is a nice pic of Conan (as Toad) and Rachel (as Princess Peach)

If you are using Netscape, right click on the ASCII text and select "save page as". Then add in a ".jpg" extension to the file before saving. Then you should be able to view the pic from your computer.
HA! You think I'd trust Netscape? I wouldn't use it at all if it weren't for that IE virus thing I heard about in the newspaper. Anyone hear any updates about that yet?

But I had tried pasting the links and nothing happened. It turns out I actually had to open the FORUM page within IE and click on the link there. And if the link is in a quote, it doesn't work. Odd. But yes, that's a funny GIF.[edit out comments I made, since it was a misunderstand on my part]

Sorry about that. :(

SirLemming

07-31-2004, 10:16 PM

Dang, I type up a helpful way to see that pic via Netscape and I get my head bitten off. Cool.

I am sorry that you felt offended when I thought you were using Netscape. Although, the text I highlighted in red reads "If you are using Netscape..." because I wasn't sure what kind of browser you were using.

I had no problems with IE loading that picture via clicking on the link that was posted here in this forum on either computer I have here running XP. So I tried out Netscape and had a stream of ASCII text instead of the picture. Thus I concluded that you had Netscape or that other program... I would test that out as well, but I do not have that loaded on either computer. Also having three web browsing programs installed on a computer is rather silly, IMO.

Again sorry for trying to help out and recommend a way to see that pic instead of just making a blunt statement such as "Too bad, You gotta use IE.".

Later.
Whoa, easy! I wasn't dissing you, I was dissing Netscape. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was just trying to voice my disgust for Netscape and explain that I had tried the picture in IE, but apparently had to do it in a roundabout way that I didn't think about.
Read what I said again. I don't think it was inflammatory. I didn't want to hurt any feelings. I respect you, man! You're frickin' Sampo!

LightShadow1890

07-31-2004, 10:43 PM

Thank you for the brief recap Sampo. I'll try to find it in last week's "Conan" thread.

You know, maybe Nonee was just a pawn. Reika couldn't have been killed by Nonee, she can't bend too low. However killed the two tried killing Rachel. She could also have access to the furnaces, since she's kind of like a maid. Must be the bachelors.

LightShadow1890

Gruntling

08-01-2004, 07:19 AM

Originally in this episode, I thought Nonee was the murderer. She had a good reason to be mad at Reika and Steve and had several motives. But as the case progressed, she was ruled out because various scenes involving Rachel and the killer point out that the psychotic is a man.

I personally think Donald Hiblar is actually the culprit. When the subject of a horrible accident was brought up, he quickly hushed everyone and told them that it was something wasn't supposed to be discussed. It raises my suspicions that he seemed nervous talking about it. Also, not to mention, Donald was with Steve when they went looking for Reika. And as soon as you know it, Steve is dead too.

My second choice would be Dirk Copeland. He says he knows his way around the house very well due to many a meeting. With this knowledge he could have killed Reika and Steve, and attempt to drown Rachel in a very quick manner. Because he is one of the most trusted in the group, also leads me to believe that would make him seem an unlikely murderer and a perfect reason not to blame him.

A distant third choice would be Michael Stewart. As a quiet person, he seems that suspicions would not be put on him. That puts him somewhere. Also, his bathroom break could be a time when he could have killed someone.

Anyway, I give Billionare Birthday Blues Part I an A-.