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Tienshin
07-24-2004, 11:58 PM
Oh hey, Sesshomaru and Koga! I remember those guys.

Nin-Nin69
07-25-2004, 12:15 AM
What was the whole point of Inuyasha showing off his human form to Koga's goons, then telling them to keep it secret? Wasn't he fine until he pulled that stunt? I bet this stupid act will come into play in a future episode. :rolleyes:

PaQ
07-25-2004, 12:15 AM
I always enjoy the interaction between Inuyasha and Koga when it comes to Kagome..

It always gets interesting when Inuyasha goes human.. so this should be the same I hope.

Fatneck
07-25-2004, 12:18 AM
What was the whole point of Inuyasha showing off his human form to Kagura's goons, then telling them to keep it secret? Wasn't he fine until he pulled that stunt? I bet this stupid act will come into play in a future episode. :rolleyes:
Well they're Koga's goons and the reason that happened was because Inuyasha busted through the door without knowing they were there. It's kind of funny how lame his goons are seeing as how Inuyasha beat them up in his human form.

Nin-Nin69
07-25-2004, 12:19 AM
I just fixed that before you posted. Sorry. :sweat:

AND WHY DID HE JUST COME OUT OF HIDING?! INUYASHA IS SO WRECKLESS!! :shrug:

randi
07-25-2004, 12:27 AM
Well this was a pretty good epsoide. I wonder what is with the barrier thing going out like a night light. Heh "I don't thing I'm your type.". It looks like everyone is getting on on Inuyasha's little secret. THis one makes you wonder if Sessy can beat Narky. Sess Vs Nark. Who will win. Whoa Naraku looks like he was a plant in the next epsoide.

Happy
07-25-2004, 12:28 AM
I loved Koga getting hurt and the Kagura plot seems intresting as well. Also I was able to predict the fact that was spoiled in the preveiw for next episode.

Freedom Fighter
07-25-2004, 12:28 AM
Eh... something tells me the episode I missed last week was a whole lot better.

Good: We get to see Sesshomaru, Koga, Rin, and even Kanna again, all of whom have been missing for quite awhile. It also strikes me weird as how Kagura is rising up against the person she was created from. Did she get a conscience by chance, or has she discovered that she's better off as her own person, rather than part of Naraku.

Bad: It seems we just did a Inuyasha-turns-human-for-one-night episode, and here we are with another one. Even worse still, he reveals it to Koga and his boys (and almost to Kagura... or did she see him, as the preview for next week hints to). Just what is that boy thinking?

"Naraku's Barrier, Kagura's Decision" gets 2.5 out of 4.

Nin-Nin69
07-25-2004, 12:32 AM
After watching the preview, I'll take a wild guess on the plot for the next couple of episodes. Kagura is defeated by Naruko somehow. Kagura is going to tell Naruko Inuyasha's weakness, but she is vanquished. Just like Sailor Moon/ Ganbare Goemon. ;)

KuwabaraTheMan
07-25-2004, 12:33 AM
Well, the reason it seems like that is the last Inuyasha turns human story happened a lot earlier in the manga, but got pushed back.


I like this 2 parter we have here, as a lot of important things happen in it, next episode is better than this one. Its also nice seeing every faction appear in one story.

TnAdct1
07-25-2004, 12:57 AM
Also I was able to predict the fact that was spoiled in the preveiw for next episode.
No big loss there, since there's going to be quite a few people (including me) who won't be watching it next week due to Otakon.

Pimmelmann
07-25-2004, 01:18 AM
Poor Kagura. She never gets hit on like all the other female characters. :anime: :shrug:

If she's made from Naraku's essence...or whatever, and is part of him...or whatever, wouldn't killing him destroy her as well? Or something?

If Kouga becomes super powered from sticking shards in his limbs, why are Our Heroes not doing this? Sango could sure use a few; despite being a very likable female character, she is written into ineffectiveness during all the battles.

shogunthethird
07-25-2004, 01:23 AM
wow, Koga gets his shards jacked, Inuyasha turns human and Naraku's barrier lowers and we find out he's only an insanely powerful half-demon, we're getting all kinds of weaknesses revealed here and I say if anyone should snuff Naraku Shippo should do it...I mean no one would see it coming, although you have to wonder who among them most deserves to reunite that guy with his ancestors...and not all the factions were there....where the heck was Kikyo? she deserves a crack at 'im as well, whatever he's got a lot of crimes to answer for and I can't wait to see that (kinda makes you wonder if he's vulnerable to Tokijin though, I mean it's a sword forged from the teeth of one of his demonic incarnations)

jeffrey 228
07-25-2004, 01:44 AM
Well I can say this episode was full of pickles and beets tonight, regards of Sessy, Koga, Kagura, Kanna, and even Inu Yasha transformaing back to a human again, and Naraku in the middle of getting into his second Demon form too, and with this, I say that this episode gives my approval of a 9.7 for tonight.

Warrior Kitana
07-25-2004, 01:49 AM
I enjoyed this episode, mostly because of Kagura. I've always had a bit of a fondness for female villians and it's not so often we see one. It was nice to see Kouga, Sesshoumaru, Kanna, and Rin back into the series again. It's been quite a while since we've last seen them. Why did InuYasha reveal himself to Kouga and his clan while he was human. That was pretty foolish on his part. But still, I can't wait until the next episode. They left off this week with such a nasty cliffhanger. I'm curious to see what happens.

Master Moron
07-25-2004, 02:09 AM
You know, am I the only one who has a hard time buying Koga as a love sick puppy dog when he used to be a cold blooded killer? I mean, he did slaughter Rin's village to get the jewel shard. And even AFTER he got the jewel shard he slaughtered one guy just for fun. I guess true love brings out the best in people...or something...

Anyway, I actually never really liked Kagura as a villain. But, with her siding with Shessoumaru I may grow to like her.

herbkir
07-25-2004, 02:11 AM
It certainly seemed like "family reunion" night on Inuyasha with the return of characters we haven't seen in a while, especially Rin and Kouga. Yes, Inu was foolish for revealing his weakness to Kouga, but I wonder if the shardless Kouga and the human Inuyasha would be an even match. It's always interesting to see the interactions when Kouga plays up to Kagome. And I'm wondering how Kouga will get his jewel shards back.

Kagura has always been my favorite of the IY villains. She's got a complex personality and inner clashes because of her unwillling captivity by Naraku. And now she seeks Sesshoumaru as her champion.

Anyway, I liked this episode a lot, but now I have to wait a whole week to see how this all comes out.

As to why the others don't power up with jewel shards like Kouga, I think the power boost only works on demons or part demons, not pure humans. Inu dosn't want them because he sees that they bring only grief to any demon that tries to use the shards. Shippo doesn't want them because he's only a kid who has no use for their powers. (^_*)

EDIT: I stand corrected on the point of jewel shards not working on humans. I was reminded that the villain in the Togenkyo Night 2-parter was a human who got powered up by jewel shards.

JetMaster5
07-25-2004, 02:31 AM
.....Hopefully the next episode is better. Since this is just a setup episode, I shouldn't have expected to be entertained that much, but just coming off from last week's comedy episode, this one was a thumbs down for me.

PaQ
07-25-2004, 03:13 AM
An interesting episode, we see a return to more of the Naraku-verse, with Kagura, Konna(sp?), Naraku plus the other Inuyasha semi-regulars: Sesshomaru and Koga.

Another Inuyasha has turned human episodes, usually they become very interesting as it's a closer than usual fight, but Inuyasha has now revealed this to Koga and his crew, but I suspect it's because Inuyasha doesn't see this as a weakness.
Kagura takes Naraku's moment of weakness and is attempting to break away, using the jewel shards that she took from Koga to deal with Sesshi.. Should be interesting to see what happens with this, and the previews hinted she may see human Inuyasha as well.
I give "Naraku's Barrier - Kagura's Decision" a B+.

Pimmelmann
07-25-2004, 03:25 AM
You know, am I the only one who has a hard time buying Koga as a love sick puppy dog when he used to be a cold blooded killer? I mean, he did slaughter Rin's village to get the jewel shard. And even AFTER he got the jewel shard he slaughtered one guy just for fun. I guess true love brings out the best in people...or something...

I had forgotten about this. There wasn't any mitigating circumstance introduced later, in typical anime style? He really slaughtered all the people? Can anyone refresh my memory on this?

Also, I forgot to say: having Kagura say "yo" is not the dub's finest moment. Defensible, yes. Good, no.

Rin got a few lines! :)

lostrune
07-25-2004, 03:30 AM
1. That remnds me, why haven't Inuyasha and company used their knowledge of Naraku also being a half-demon to their advantage? :shrug:

2. If Sesshy was really serious, he could use that knowledge against Inuyasha too.


After watching the preview, I'll take a wild guess on the plot for the next couple of episodes. Kagura is defeated by Naruko somehow. Kagura is going to tell Naruko Inuyasha's weakness, but she is vanquished. Just like Sailor Moon/ Ganbare Goemon. ;)

Do you really believe someone playing between Naraku's and Sesshy's pants would get killed so easily? (Well, besides by the hordes of Sesshy fangrrrrrls, that is.) :D


Poor Kagura. She never gets hit on like all the other female characters. :anime: :shrug:

Could you even imagine her reacting any differently besides her usual boring kill-em-all attitude? :p



If Kouga becomes super powered from sticking shards in his limbs, why are Our Heroes not doing this?

That remnds me. What would Neighbor Carl do? :D



Also, I forgot to say: having Kagura say "yo" is not the dub's finest moment. Defensible, yes. Good, no.

Yeah, that was weird, like they've been long-time buddies or something. :D

And Kagome's "medicine from my country" line too. Yo! It's their same country too, or at least it would be. :D

ArboACHG
07-25-2004, 03:31 AM
she actually says "yo kouga" in the original. i cant remember if she greets sess the same way.

Wounded_Dragon
07-25-2004, 04:06 AM
You know, am I the only one who has a hard time buying Koga as a love sick puppy dog when he used to be a cold blooded killer? I mean, he did slaughter Rin's village to get the jewel shard. And even AFTER he got the jewel shard he slaughtered one guy just for fun. I guess true love brings out the best in people...or something...

Anyway, I actually never really liked Kagura as a villain. But, with her siding with Shessoumaru I may grow to like her.
You're not the only one. However, I think more of the problem is the fact that the *fans* seem to proclaim him a love-sick puppy. He wants Kagome and is doing his best to gently woo her.

Unfortunately, naive little Kagome doesn't seem to grasp what exactly Kouga is and neither do a lot of viewers.

raykremer
07-25-2004, 04:34 AM
There's something odd about having one of the Koga episodes on right before Wolf's Rain.

Patches
07-25-2004, 11:04 AM
she actually says "yo kouga" in the original. i cant remember if she greets sess the same way.Yup, she does. To which Jaken originally replied, "'Yo'?! That's no way to greet my Lord!"

If Kouga becomes super powered from sticking shards in his limbs, why are Our Heroes not doing this?Inuyasha does try once. It does a very not-good thing to him.

Strangely, although the Sessho/Kagura relationship is initially set up here, it isn't visited again for almost another hundred episodes, at which point it comes back with a vengeance.

But, man, Naraku was creepy in the one shot we got of him. All dismembered and oozy and glowy-eyed. "Dammit, Kagura.... I'd go kick your ass if I wasn't currently on my period..."

Kagura: "Hey, Sesshoumaru, are you gripping your sword for fun, or are you just happy to see me?"

NeueZielZeon
07-25-2004, 11:09 AM
There can be considered a simple explanation as to why Inuyasha and the gang does not use jewel shards to enhance their performance against their enemies. It's sort of a moral issue - if the group is dedicated to returning the shikon no tama to it's complete self, and defeat all enemies using the jewel shards for their own selfish, personal gain, it would be quite questionable if Inuyasha were to use the jewel shards for the same reasons. Also, as shown in some instances, a excess of shards inserted into a demon can result in increased ferocity, something that Inuyasha - after witnessing his full demon transformation - may want to avoid.

kaine23
07-25-2004, 11:32 AM
Nice to see everyone making an apperance. Is this the last time this happens before Naruku turns full demon on that mountain?

Also, how excatly was Kagura created and what was her orginial form?

Seiken Izumi
07-25-2004, 12:10 PM
It certainly seemed like "family reunion" night on Inuyasha with the return of characters we haven't seen in a while, especially Rin and Kouga.It seemed like "family reunion" night on Inuyasha and Wolf's Rain. :D

I'm glad Rin got a few lines, along with Kanna. Kagura "propositioning" Sesshomaru? Didn't see that coming. I mean, WHY would Sesshomaru help her? Lol, I didn't realize that some nights Naraku turns human; can't wait until next week's episode...

Inuyasha showing himself=foolish mutt

Beat
07-25-2004, 12:39 PM
All the regular's show up to make Inu-Yasha feel insecure and start the angst between Sesshy and Kagura.

B.

Happy
07-25-2004, 12:46 PM
As to why the others don't power up with jewel shards like Kouga, I think the power boost only works on demons or part demons, not pure humans. Inu dosn't want them because he sees that they bring only grief to any demon that tries to use the shards. Shippo doesn't want them because he's only a kid who has no use for their powers. (^_*)Really, I thought the fat guy at Togenkyo (or whereever) was human.

TsuiTsui
07-25-2004, 01:20 PM
I always find it hilarious to see Inuyasha and Koga give a each other hard time to over Kagome's attention. :D


she actually says "yo kouga" in the original. i cant remember if she greets sess the same way.Yup, she does. To which Jaken originally replied, "'Yo'?! That's no way to greet my Lord!"
I was also wondering if the "Yo" greeting was really in the Japanese version cuz it seemed abit out-of-place, LOL.

Master Moron
07-25-2004, 01:21 PM
I had forgotten about this. There wasn't any mitigating circumstance introduced later, in typical anime style? He really slaughtered all the people? Can anyone refresh my memory on this?


Yeah, though I suppose one can make the argument that the jewel shards made him more aggressive...but, I think the wolves(the ones that actually look like wolves) eat humans...anyway, the only guy I actually remembered Koga killing was the guy who had the jewel. After getting the jewel and starting to walk away he said "Thank you for sparing me." and then Koga said something along the lines of "Fool. If you had kept your mouth shut I might have forgotten about you." and slit his throat, presumably cutting his head off. I don't know if that line was changed from the original or anything, but I can't think of any reason for Koga to kill the man other than bloodlust.

I think most of the villagers were killed by the other wolves(the ones that look like wolves). And let's not forget that Rin was killed by Koga's wolves. With everyone heading towards Naraku's palace I wonder if Rin will see Koga and the wolves and go ballistic? You know, I was always confused as to why Rin was alone when Sheshoumaru found her. Wouldn't the wolves be eating her body?

By the way, I don't remember Rin speaking in this episode. Wasn't she sleeping the whole time? What did she say?

Anime Otaku
07-25-2004, 03:05 PM
-My rationale for the "medicine from my country" line was that if Kagome had said "from her time", she'd have to do a lot of explaining for Kouga & co..
-I wonder why Sango & Miroku's arrival caused Kagura to leave? I mean, if she can handle a wolf demon tribe...
-Why did Kagura think that Sesshy in particular would help her? I mean, just about anyone would help her for the shards.
-Even in his human form, Inuyasha wanted to fight with Kouga. Sigh.

By the way, I don't remember Rin speaking in this episode. Wasn't she sleeping the whole time? What did she say?She said something like "yes, Lord Sesshomaru"(in response to not falling behind... I think), and made a wish on the shooting star to be with Sesshy forever(awww).

Greek_Honeybee
07-25-2004, 04:52 PM
-Even in his human form, Inuyasha wanted to fight with Kouga. Sigh.Well, he did beat up Kouga's buddies just fine. Without his shards, we assume Kouga's not much more powerful than them. Inuyasha in his human form is more powerful than your average human, I believe. So it probably would've been an even fight.

Eibhlin
07-25-2004, 07:22 PM
anyway, the only guy I actually remembered Koga killing was the guy who had the jewel. After getting the jewel and starting to walk away he said "Thank you for sparing me." and then Koga said something along the lines of "Fool. If you had kept your mouth shut I might have forgotten about you." and slit his throat, presumably cutting his head off. I don't know if that line was changed from the original or anything, but I can't think of any reason for Koga to kill the man other than bloodlust.
You mean the wolf demon that stole the shard from Kouga and lead him to the village that Rin was living in? Yeah, Kouga killed him. From what I can see, there was alot of tough penalties for stealing in the Fuedal Era of Japan, and I'd think that the wolf demons would be a little tougher on one of their own. he was one of them, he had pointed ears, was wearing a pelt and had little bitty fangs. Not a human. So Kouga killed another demon for theft.

Hell, the villagers themselves beat the living snot out of Rin for stealing a fish from the village Hatchery. They kicked, punched and stomped on a little six or seven year old child, knocking out some teeth and blackening an eye, which was swollen shut. And that's besides the fact that none of these wonderful villagers that everyone stresses over so much even took Rin in after her family was slaughtered by bandits, instead letting this mute child live alone in a lean to, and fend for herself. What a Bunch o' sweethearts!

Do I have sympathy for the villagers? NO. did they deserve to die like they did? probably not. But everyone who hates Kouga seems to gloss over this little act of brutality and failure to care for an orphaned child by the villagers, who probably knew her family.




I think most of the villagers were killed by the other wolves(the ones that look like wolves). And let's not forget that Rin was killed by Koga's wolves. With everyone heading towards Naraku's palace I wonder if Rin will see Koga and the wolves and go ballistic? You know, I was always confused as to why Rin was alone when Sheshoumaru found her. Wouldn't the wolves be eating her body?


Actually, in the manga, they were. Sesshomaru killed them and revived her.

By the way, Kouga's shards never seem to change to black when he uses them...yet when any other demon does, even Inuyasha they do turn dark. Kouga's stay that pinkish/purple color of purity. Why is that? maybe because he isn't EVIL?

can I ask a question of all the Sesshomaru fans out there?

Why is is so hard to believe that Kouga could change because of his affection for Kagome, but everyone seems to think that it was natural for Sesshomaru, a character who openly admits to hating humans, has killed many, makes several attempts to kill his half brother because of his human heritage, to suddenly decide to adopt a human child?

Is that any more believable than Kouga falling for Kagome? I don't think so.

Sampo
07-25-2004, 08:06 PM
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Inu%20Yasha/SM1.jpghttp://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Inu%20Yasha/SM2.jpg


"Hey don't get so close to MY Kagome!" Kouga screams at the couple while various characters meet once again, as they are all drawn to Naraku's castle. Naraku appears to have disappeared, so Kagura decides to go out by herself to retreave the jewel shards that Kouga possesses. After easily defeating the wolf, she heads off and meets up with Sesshomaru to have a little chat. The evil wind fiend wants him to slay Naraku and set her free.

Hmm, interesting epsiode. It is pretty neat to see Kouga, Sesshomaru, Rin, and Jaken again. I also agree that Inu Yasha should be much more careful about sharing his secret to the wolves and attempting to take on Naraku in that form. Although I also forgot that Naraku was a half demon too...

Favorite scenes from this episode. Kouga running into Inu Yasha and company. The really cool scene of Naraku looking POed that Kagura left. Finally that scene between Kagura and Sesshomaru. Kagura saying "YO!", I thought that was funny in an odd way.

Screen caps from this episode. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/Inu%20Yasha.htm) Including one pan of dog boy sniffing the ground with Sango and Miroku standing next to him.

You're not the only one. However, I think more of the problem is the fact that the *fans* seem to proclaim him a love-sick puppy. He wants Kagome and is doing his best to gently woo her.

Unfortunately, naive little Kagome doesn't seem to grasp what exactly Kouga is and neither do a lot of viewers.But with scene like the above pic and this image here (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Inu%20Yasha/1050.jpg), the average viewer at home would get the wrong impression what Kouga really is.


...
-I wonder why Sango & Miroku's arrival caused Kagura to leave? I mean, if she can handle a wolf demon tribe...
...
Kagura could have gotten spooked. If Miroku and Sango around, Inu Yasha and Kagome should be close by. Since Kagura got what she needed from Kouga(Koga), she left.

Gruntling
07-25-2004, 08:43 PM
This was a pretty interesting episode for the series. I knew Kagura would eventually desire freedom, and the partnership, even if brief, with Sesshomaru will make it all more sweet. The appearance of Koga is welcome since an episode involving the Wolf Clan hasn't been seen in awhile. And finding out that Naraku is actually a half-demon was surprising. This episode, however, lacked something that I can't put my finger on...

Anyway I give Naraku's Barrier, Kagura's Decision a B+.

jeffrey 228
07-25-2004, 09:01 PM
The only thing is, that how long will Kagura yill be able to hold on to those shards before Naraku Transforms to his next stage, and will there be a confplct after words.

Patches
07-25-2004, 11:10 PM
I was also wondering if the "Yo" greeting was really in the Japanese version cuz it seemed abit out-of-place, LOL.Yup, it was (http://www.inu-papa.com/random/kagura-66-yo.wav). ^_^

True Noir
07-25-2004, 11:10 PM
I missed the first ten minutes due to some complications, but caught the rest. It was a pretty good episode. Koga vs. Inuyasha: Battle to the Death! Always great to watch. As for Kagura getting Sesshi's help, it isn't going to happen. Sesshi would never help anyone. A-

Happy
07-26-2004, 12:31 AM
COuld someone tell me why Kagome is so against killing Koga? I mean he does act rudely to her and he is competion when it comes to finding the shards.

Tienshin
07-26-2004, 12:39 AM
COuld someone tell me why Kagome is so against killing Koga? I mean he does act rudely to her and he is competion when it comes to finding the shards.

Kagome is a sweetheart, she doesn't want Koga to meet with harm. His behavior is more a symptom of alpha male syndrome towards Inuyasha than it is rudeness towards Kagome. Besides, he could have killed her when he first kidnapped her, but he didn't. I dunno. HE IS A GOOD GUY/COMEDIC FOIL for Inuyasha.

JDNobodi
07-26-2004, 01:32 AM
Yup, it was (http://www.inu-papa.com/random/kagura-66-yo.wav). ^_^
Whhooa, Kagura's Japanase voice actor sound quite sexy, and I only heard one word. Do you have any more voice clips.:anime:

Anyway, by the next epidoe preview, It look like Sesshomaru rejected Kagura's proposal to kill Naraku. Is it because he wants Inuyasha to do it? Or he just says no because he does not like Kagura. I can't wait a week to find out.

Master Moron
07-26-2004, 01:52 AM
You mean the wolf demon that stole the shard from Kouga and lead him to the village that Rin was living in? Yeah, Kouga killed him. From what I can see, there was alot of tough penalties for stealing in the Fuedal Era of Japan, and I'd think that the wolf demons would be a little tougher on one of their own. he was one of them, he had pointed ears, was wearing a pelt and had little bitty fangs. Not a human. So Kouga killed another demon for theft.

Oh, really? I didn't realize that.

Hell, the villagers themselves beat the living snot out of Rin for stealing a fish from the village Hatchery. They kicked, punched and stomped on a little six or seven year old child, knocking out some teeth and blackening an eye, which was swollen shut. And that's besides the fact that none of these wonderful villagers that everyone stresses over so much even took Rin in after her family was slaughtered by bandits, instead letting this mute child live alone in a lean to, and fend for herself. What a Bunch o' sweethearts!

Do I have sympathy for the villagers? NO. did they deserve to die like they did? probably not. But everyone who hates Kouga seems to gloss over this little act of brutality and failure to care for an orphaned child by the villagers, who probably knew her family.


The problem is Koga didn't know any of this. They could have been saints for all he knew. I don't feel sympathy for the villagers, I'm just saying it's hard to buy his sudden change into a good guy when he used to slaughter villages.



can I ask a question of all the Sesshomaru fans out there?

Why is is so hard to believe that Kouga could change because of his affection for Kagome, but everyone seems to think that it was natural for Sesshomaru, a character who openly admits to hating humans, has killed many, makes several attempts to kill his half brother because of his human heritage, to suddenly decide to adopt a human child?

Is that any more believable than Kouga falling for Kagome? I don't think so.

Well, I actually don't ever remember Sheshoumaru killing people on screen. Of course, it's been so long since the series started airing on Adult Swim that I might not remember it if he did. But, anyway, it's not that I have a problem with Koga turning good because of Kagome, but rather I have a problem with the speed in which it happens. I mean, one episode he's slaughtering villages and the next episode he's Kagome's pet. Sheshoumaru met Rin like, maybe 20-30 episodes ago and he's still not a good guy. He hasn't actually shown any emotion toward her. He just lets her follow him. I might expect Sheshoumaru to become a good guy in another 20 episodes or so. The problem with Koga is that his change in character seemed to happen all of the sudden, rather than Sheshoumaru's gradual change.

Riza Hawkeye
07-26-2004, 03:44 AM
Anyway, by the next epidoe preview, It look like Sesshomaru rejected Kagura's proposal to kill Naraku. Is it because he wants Inuyasha to do it? Or he just says no because he does not like Kagura. I can't wait a week to find out. Sesshoumaru's rejection has nothing to do with Inuyasha, he certainly doesn't want Inuyasha to do it. He rejected it because

Kagura will offers him the jewel if he kills Naraku and Sesshoumaru says that he has no interest in the jewel and that she should use the jewel her self to kill Naraku. Kagura asks if he is afraid of Naraku, but Sesshoumaru responds by telling her he has no obligation to rescue her and if she not prepared to free herself she shouldn't betary Naraku. Kagura calls him a coward and leaves.

Sesshoumaru isn't the type that would what other people want him to do, he'll show that when

Rin is kidnapped by Naraku

Pimmelmann
07-26-2004, 04:14 AM
Do I have sympathy for the villagers? NO. did they deserve to die like they did? probably not. But everyone who hates Kouga seems to gloss over this little act of brutality and failure to care for an orphaned child by the villagers, who probably knew her family.

By the way, Kouga's shards never seem to change to black when he uses them...yet when any other demon does, even Inuyasha they do turn dark. Kouga's stay that pinkish/purple color of purity. Why is that? maybe because he isn't EVIL? There is some good InuYasha discussion/analysis in this thread. Thank you for giving me something to think about.

I still find it hard to believe Sesshomaru has a big heart hiding under there, as opposed to someone like Kouga. I always remember Kouga's first appearance and combat with Inuyasha, wherein he actually retreated after proclaiming the fight too dangerous. In too many television shows, comic books and what have you, the bad guys are always cuckoo and willing to just go down with the ship. This struck me as unusual, and I never quite thought of Kouga as a bad guy for this reason.

Sesshomaru is always leading around his parade of hangers-on, and I am never quite sure exactly where he is going or where he has been. Allowing Rin into the group was cute, and of course I have to assume it signals an eventual Vegeta-like redemption, but I'll say this: they are sure taking their sweet time with that bit, if indeed that what's coming. This, combined with Sesshomaru's disturbing lack of expression or inflection, means it's not difficult to keep thinking of him as a "heavy." Except for Rin running around. :sweat:

lostrune
07-26-2004, 05:12 AM
-Why did Kagura think that Sesshy in particular would help her? I mean, just about anyone would help her for the shards.

Not just anyone - someone powerful enough to take on Naraku, or at least sever his hold on her. She may think Inuyasha and Co. aren't powerful enough or that they'd sooner kill her for some unforgivable deeds she's done to them. :shrug:


Oh, really? I didn't realize that.

Probably wasn't included in the anime. :shrug:



Sesshomaru is always leading around his parade of hangers-on, and I am never quite sure exactly where he is going or where he has been.

Yeah, Sesshy seems lost right now. His goal is still the Tetsaiga sword, but he seems to be drifting how to go about it. He's been walking and walking taking his sweet time who knows where to who knows what without any definite plan, it seems. Before he realizes it, 50 eps have already passed him by. :D

He only happened to be near when he smelled Naraku's scent. And lucky for Kagura too - how'd she know where he is so quickly? :shrug:

ArboACHG
07-26-2004, 07:01 AM
Yo, long time no see Kouga! (http://arboachg.250free.com/yokouga.mp3)

There you go, another Japanese Kagura clip.

Patches
07-26-2004, 11:27 AM
Yo, long time no see Kouga! (http://arboachg.250free.com/yokouga.mp3)

There you go, another Japanese Kagura clip.XD I see your "Yo, Kouga" and raise you a "Yo, Kohaku (http://www.inu-papa.com/random/kagura-158-yo.wav)". ^_^

Regardless, yes, Kagura does tend to say "Yo", even in the original.

JDNobodi
07-26-2004, 01:23 PM
I thank you all for your responses. It sure is stange for Kagura to say modern slang in the feudal era.:confused:

Eibhlin
07-26-2004, 06:31 PM
Probably wasn't included in the anime.
actually, it was...
http://www.rabidkougafangirls.com/pictures/35-01.jpg

True Noir
07-26-2004, 08:27 PM
Kagome is a sweetheart, she doesn't want Koga to meet with harm. His behavior is more a symptom of alpha male syndrome towards Inuyasha than it is rudeness towards Kagome. Besides, he could have killed her when he first kidnapped her, but he didn't. I dunno. HE IS A GOOD GUY/COMEDIC FOIL for Inuyasha.
Yeh and anyway, Kagome's feelings towards Koga are totally well.... she doesn't have any feelings towards him. Seeing Inuyasha jealous and fired up toward Koga is hilarious. If Kagome wasn't like that towards Koga, then we wouldn't have that.

Something kind of off topic from the episode, but as I was watching the scene with Rin and Sesshi, I was wondering what their relationship is going to be like in the future.(Please no spoilers) My friend said she thinks Sesshi heart is going to change and they might end up getting married. I found that a little unusual because Sesshi seems more like a father figure towards Rin.

Riza Hawkeye
07-26-2004, 08:44 PM
Something kind of off topic from the episode, but as I was watching the scene with Rin and Sesshi, I was wondering what their relationship is going to be like in the future.(Please no spoilers) My friend said she thinks Sesshi heart is going to change and they might end up getting married. I found that a little unusual because Sesshi seems more like a father figure towards Rin. Sesshoumaru and Rin's relationship is more like brother and sister. Rin looks up to Sesshoumaru and Sesshoumaru protects Rin (he'll do this on many occasions in the future). With Rin, Sesshoumaru shows that he has a kind side, which something that he didn't appear to have before he met her.

lostrune
07-27-2004, 05:08 AM
I thank you all for your responses. It sure is stange for Kagura to say modern slang in the feudal era.:confused:

Yeah, if people complain about the old lady's "Ye" this "Ye" that or Lupin III using modern references (like Shaq), then shouldn't this be on par with those? :shrug:



Something kind of off topic from the episode, but as I was watching the scene with Rin and Sesshi, I was wondering what their relationship is going to be like in the future.(Please no spoilers) My friend said she thinks Sesshi heart is going to change and they might end up getting married. I found that a little unusual because Sesshi seems more like a father figure towards Rin.

We're not talking Dark Schneider here, matey! :D