C&C - Detective Conan/Case Closed [7/19 - 7/22]

[Matthew Williams]

More 1am new episode fun fun fun!

[lostrune]

Watch out for several mysteries: ;)

1. Who is Rachel going out with? :anime:

2. Who is the culprit? :evil:

3. Are they one and the same? :eek:

4. What's the one thing in the world Conan is afraid of? :o

5. How could the great Detective Richard Moore make an even more memorable appearance for Conan and ruin his life? :D

[Nin-Nin69]

Why hasn't Rachel made it back yet? Did she run about 5 miles away to get some cake? Jesus alteast an hour or two must've passed and she hasn't returned yet.:shrug:

[lostrune]

Why hasn't Rachel made it back yet? Did she run about 5 miles away to get some cake? Jesus alteast an hour or two must've passed and she hasn't returned yet.:shrug:

She made it back but wasn't allowed beyond the yellow police tape into the crime area.

[Chuquita]

WOW! Rachel's mom?! :eek:
I was sorta wondering what happened to her mom; so she's a lawyer, huh?
Heh, poor Conan at the end :D

[Nin-Nin69]

Well I must've missed that scene. The cable kinda fuzzed out at one point and during that scene and the part when Richard was on the TV.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Well, her being Rachel's mom was fairly obvious, but it made for an enjoyable episode, especially since the case was handled quite well. Man, she's even scarier than Rachel though.:eek:

[Duke]

I admit it, the whole "Rachel's Mom is the suspect" angle they were going for in the first half threw me off, so I didn't suspect it until Conan pointed out the bandage.

Wow, so that's Rachel's mom. Coolness! I thought she was dead. Nice to see not everyone in Japan has a dead mother/father. Oh, and I loved the final scene, with the Mom warning Rachel about Jimmy.

We DO see Rachel's mom again, right? A simple yes or no will do.

[RedBoot]

Does Rachel's mom make any repeat appearances? She was quite interesting...

Nice to see that Conan isn't afraid to solve a mystery when nobody who might think he is Jimmy is around.

[Eddie G.]

I thought that Rachel's mom might have been someone else, I was figuring she would be made into some rogue for Conan in the future. Although the fact that she recognizes that Conan is at least as smart as Jimmy makes her dangerous.

Anyway the episode was pretty good, I had figured out the side story about Rachel. But the main mystery and the indentity of the lady who scares the hell out of Conan I wasn't able to get, and was pretty good in retrospect.

[Happy]

A solid mistery and a great end scene.

[Eddy]

Cool! We got to see Rachel's mom for the first time ever! I was wondering where she was this whole time. I wonder if we'll be seeing more of her in the future? I hope so. She's cool.

[TnAdct1]

For those people asking about whether Rachel's mother will appear again or not: I can confirm that she will indeed make an another appearance (as she does appear in the second movie).


Interesting enough, even though I have seen the second film, the fact that Conan's main suspect was Rachel's mom took me totally by surprise.

[Yash]

Cool! We got to see Rachel's mom for the first time ever! I was wondering where she was this whole time. I wonder if we'll be seeing more of her in the future? I hope so. She's cool.
You'll notice that her Judou styles are the exact same as Richard's.

Eva was her name right? And I see she used the cliché "ring's stuck on the finger". I thought, since the moment I saw her, she'd become a main character. It was too obvious.

[Wounded_Dragon]

I thought that Rachel's mom might have been someone else, I was figuring she would be made into some rogue for Conan in the future. Although the fact that she recognizes that Conan is at least as smart as Jimmy makes her dangerous.
Very. Highly intelligent *and* observant. Combine those with "mom" instincts and Conan's secret would be out fairly quickly if she stuck around...

I liked how it seemed like a race between who would solve it first, her or Conan. I wonder if she was Richard's partner before becoming a lawyer.

[Ashara]

Rachel's mom, eh? *drools*

Well, I really liked this episode. Lots of thinking on Conan's part. I still wonder why she lied about seeing Jimmy.

[tucsoncoyote]

After seeing Murder at the Local Diner, I have to say that I was a bit freaked at that lawyer..

but what freaked me out more.. what that

HOLY CRACKERS! she's RACHEL'S MOM????:eek: :eek: :eek:

maybe Conan should rethink and go talk to Amy..

with a mother like that.. I shudder to think about this..

but all in all this wasn't much of a Brainteaser but it sure kept me laughing..

so you could say this one gets an A- for the laughs..

Shakes head* I pity you Jimmy Kudo, I really do...

BTW sampo Shots of Rachel's Mom PUHLEAASASE!

:coyote:

[KaitouKappei]

Hi,

So what is Kisaki Eri's (last, first), Rachel's mom, name in the dub please?
Eri and Richard were in the same Judo club at school (university).
She became a lawyer, Richard is an ex-police detective (that hasn't been said in the dub?). So they never worked together solving cases.

Eri won't see again until ep96 and then in ep 114/115 as well as some other higher episodes.

[Sketch]

Wow that was Rachel's mom? Cool.

[lostrune]

Heheheh, so we now have our unexpected person. :)

1. Talk about a scary (would-be) mother-in-law! The one thing Jimmy fears - she often scolded them as kids (not just that one time in the dub). That's why Jimmy developed an unconscious reflexive complex about her (like just from the look of her eyes). And she's as smart as Jimmy, so Jimmy can't put anything over her. :eek:

1a. And I won't even go into the pseudo-Oedipus Rex complex with Jimmy thinking she's a knockout. CN already has enough incest thing going lately. :D

2. Now the changes:

a. The victim Ivonne originally gave out another clue that was changed out. When she pretended not to know where the restroom was, she slipped up that she already knew it was unisex - which Conan noted. (As Conan said, that was just her signal to meet up in the restroom.)

b. That "Rachel's date" guy Steve originally bragged that about an innocent girl ("Rachel"): "When I make a girl mine, I do what I want with her." And that he has other girls too. :eek: :evil:
That's why Conan really wanted to hurt that guy... and pinched the guy's cheek when he had the chance in the restroom. :o :D

c. Stupid FUNi and their pronouns that could've been worked around! :mad:
Originally, Rachel never specified the gender of her "date." That's why the viewers could keep guessing from all 4 suspects + 1 victim.

d. Originally, Ran's mom didn't specify meeting a "relative" neither, just "someone." Though I guess it doesn't matter if viewers still couldn't figure it out, but it's supposed to leave viewers vague on what she has to do with Rachel... till the very end. :shrug:

e. Originally, Ran's mom's one-arm judo throw also reminded Conan of just "someone" (presumably Richard, not Rachel (as in the dub) since Rachel does karate, not judo). :sad:

f. Originally, Ran's mom's first thing to say to Rachel was scolding Rachel for wearing such a short skirt (though ironically, she herself was wearing seemingly a short skirt as well :anime: ). Then Rachel complained to stop being treated like a kid. :sweat:

g. OK, here's the big one: originally according to Ran's mom, she only keeps the ring on because it keeps away "other dirty men," and she only married Richard because they were childhood friends. And guess who is another childhood friend that became a detective? ;)
That's right! That's why she warned Rachel about him! And why Conan/Jimmy got pissed off at Richard's latest pervy stunt. Jimmy and Richard are more similar than they'd like to think! (Gotta love that side-by-side scene of their faces in the end.) :D



We DO see Rachel's mom again, right? A simple yes or no will do.

Yes.



Well, I really liked this episode. Lots of thinking on Conan's part. I still wonder why she lied about seeing Jimmy.

Rachel really didn't want her father to find out whom she visited, even worse than dating Jimmy. :D



So what is Kisaki Eri's (last, first), Rachel's mom, name in the dub please?

Kisaki Eri = Eva Kaden

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM1.jpghttp://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM2.jpg


Conan's curiousity leads him to a diner where he meets a bunch of people. One of them seems to give him the goosebumps for some strange reason. A murder then occurs in the Unisex restroom, so Conan works with Eva Kaden to solve this crime together.

Funny, the first mystery about who was Rachel meeting up drew my attention away from the murder and what order everyone went into the restroom. Boy that threw me off. :sweat:

Not much to comment on the murder, although that was yet another unique way to kill someone. As for Rachel's mom... Dang, I can't believe Richard kept on womanizing when he had a wife like that.

Oh yeah, here are a couple of shots (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/eva.jpg) of Eva (Rachel's Mom). Heheh. Cute wink she has there.

Favorite scenes. Jimmy recalling how they would get into trouble when they were kids and getting scolded by Eva. Those are some big lumps on their heads! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/trouble.jpg) Also the look on Serena's face when she found out what a big jerk her new date was. Run for the hills... (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/serena.jpg):)


...
b. That "Rachel's date" guy Steve originally bragged that about an innocent girl ("Rachel"): "When I make a girl mine, I do what I want with her." And that he has other girls too. :eek: :evil:
That's why Conan really wanted to hurt that guy... and pinched the guy's cheek when he had the chance in the restroom. :o :D
...
Ouch, k. I was wondering why Conan was so POed. That guy had the same type of laugh Richard has. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/jerk.jpg)


...
c. Stupid FUNi and their pronouns that could've been worked around! :mad:
Originally, Rachel never specified the gender of her "date." That's why the viewers could keep guessing from all 4 suspects + 1 victim.
...
Aye. Oh well. :(


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e. Originally, Ran's mom's one-arm judo throw also reminded Conan of just "someone" (presumably Richard, not Rachel (as in the dub) since Rachel does karate, not judo). :sad:
...
Yeah I had the same thought too, Richard performed the almost exact same move on that big guy (Craig). Oh well, she can kick some serious butt (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/judothrow.jpg).

Later.

[see201]

Wow, so that's Rachel's mom. Coolness! I thought she was dead. Nice to see not everyone in Japan has a dead mother/father.
What is really cool is that Detective Conan is one of the very few Japanese TV shows I know where the parents are separated/divorced. Family unity is still a very important concept in Japan, to the point where it looks quite bad if a couple does separate. So it's a really big statment that one of the most popular programs on TV has two parents that are separated, and yet each lives honourably (for the most part ;) ) anyway.

Later on, it even touches on how hard it is for Ran/Rachel to have separated parents, and on how much she wants them to get back together. It's a comedy/mystery show that makes social statments too! :anime:

[Dark Soul]

Great episode. No Richard in sight except his ugly laugh at the end. Well Rachel's mom very cool. Jimmy remembering when Rachel and him got in trouble and was scolded by Rachel's mom. It was good case I never thought it would be the big guy. I rate it an A

[Nftnat]

WOW! WOW! WOW! I was overwhelmed, overcome, overwrought, reduced to a fetal position at this episode. It was well into Lupin and I was still shaking and jibbering all over. Let's get into it, shall we?
Rachel's pulling out all the stops, as Conan says, getting set for her date with Jimmy. Conan's happy for her and- wait! HE'S Jimmy! What the-? Why would Rachel lie about a date with Jimmy, and why doesn't she want her father to know? Oh yeah, Richard's jealous of Jimmy, but still. Well, what's it to him if she's seeing someone else? What does he care?
Now you just know he's going to be at her side very next scene. I just love it when anime puts in these toony touches, in moderation. Anyway, she's going to a nearby bakery to get him some cake in an attempt to bribe him away from the area er sum junk. I guess the diner doesn't have any desserts to compare with bakery cakes, with icing that's inches thick. Well, who does?
And then, the suspects come in: the b----, the nervous college student, the female attorney who - while not as b----y as the above - is no fool and takes no crap from anyone (she makes Conan nervous and reminds him of something), the regular guy who knows the owner, and the womanizer who apparently is the suspect, the one meeting Rachel. Funny, I don't remember him from that tv studio episode. Nevertheless, he's just penciled himself in for a meeting with Conan's special shoes.
Time passes, everyone eventually hits the head, among a call from Rachel explaining her absence. And then, the requisite murder happens. From 5 suspects for Rachel's date, we now have a dead body and 4 suspects for murder.
Inspector Maguire / Magure is johnny-on-the-spot, and is about to have his people search the outside, when Conan starts to notice things as usual and he's about to point things out as usual when... what's this? That lawyer - Eva Kagen / Kisaki Eri - is beating him to the punch at noticing things! And she seems to know the inspector, and not quite on friendly terms. Who IS this lady? She said she was meeting a relative and, hmm. Whoever she is, she and Conan seem to be thinking in the same direction, coming to the same conclusions.
The way things are shaking out she seems to be the prime suspect. But why would she have painted herself into that corner? The inspector was set to go off in another direction; why would she commit murder and then point out all the signs pointing to her? And where did that blood on top of the stall come from? Why didn't Conan notice it when he jumped before?
So the guilty party turns out to be the first one to have been disqualified. I didn't think it was that college student and dismissed him out of hand; a dangerous habit to get into I admit. I'm not clear on just how he could have stabbed her and not gotten any blood on himself other than that string around his finger. How would there be sufficient force or dexterity to wield the knife, holding onto it by a string? And was she strangled first, or stabbed first? I don't understand.
And it turns out the wolf wasn't there for Rachel, but for 'Serena', another person from that tv studio episode. Funny, I don't remember her either. Well, if Rachel doesn't remember him, maybe they were not with them, just in the audience, crowd scenes, kind of. I'll have to go back and look at that one, if I have it. How long until reruns start? And that flameage vis a vis Serena is an anime tradition. Remember Kagome and Sango had something like that going in that IY episode with Koharu? ("YOU'D BETTER TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS!") Well, enough about that.
But if he was there for someone else, who was Rachel / Ran there for? The lawyer?!? HER MOTHER?!?!?!? I must admit I was wondering how she was related to Rachel and Richard, and I'd seen her in a fanfic or two, but, well, it was at this time that I kind of lost it.
So, so, so she was married to Richard, are they divorced, or just separated? I admit after 10 years that's kind of a stupid question. That would have happened before Jimmy was 7. He'd get Rachel into trouble and they'd both get lumps on their heads, and her mother would scold them. And she wasn't dressed like a lawyer in the flashback. She knows judo, was she in that judo club with Richard back in college? Maybe she was in one of those pictures they were looking at in that class reunion episode; I'll have to go back and look at that again. And with both of her parents into judo, why did Rachel opt for karate? And seeing that Richard used to be on the force, that would explain how she knows the inspector. I wonder if she went into law after the separation / divorce. I was thinking she and the inspector had crossed paths before in court.
Rachel wants her parents to get back together; completely natural. I guess Richard's being so full of himself, hitting the bottle, womanizing, drove Eva away. And this explains why Rachel didn't want Richard to know. But what set Richard down that path? We know that he still has the skills; what made him get so full of himself? Obviously, if Rachel hadn't been there to care for him, he'd be on skid row by now, which is probably why Rachel lives with him and not her mother, who can take care of herself. Of course Conan causing him to improve in the eyes of the public hasn't hurt things any.
From how she looks at Richard on tv at first, am I the only one who thinks there's still something there? Then he had to open his big fat mouth, oh, why did the tv station have to air that particular clip? And then with Eva's judgment of childhood friends, especially if they grow up to be detectives, which implicates Jimmy Kudo especially. He thinks he'll never turn into Richard, but if y'all will remember the first episode, he was full of himself, laughing, even noticing the occasional pretty face. Well, maybe being a kid will be good for him, make him more of a man, so to speak. But above all, one thing he must always keep in mind: stay on Rachel's mother's good side. And don't ever try to put anything over on her; it just won't work.
Well, until tonight's episode...

[Edd]

The fact that the actual murder, as very detailed as it was, wasn't the main focus of the episode made it an interesting change of pace, concentrating more on the mystery of Rachel's mother. A good mystery and character depth made for a wonderful episode. :D :D :D

[Elve]

Yay, its the Eri/Eva episode! :D Eri's relationship with Kogorou/Richard is interesting... on the surface she always blatantly denies any love for him... she calls him names and acts like a b*tch around him... but you'll notice she always wears the wedding ring... in future episodes she remembers their anniversary and stuff... the second movie really concentrates on exactly why she and Kogorou/Richard separated (they did not divorce). :)

Funny how Conan can't even walk into a coffee shop without someone being knifed in the bathroom...

Manga snip of the day:

<---read this way
http://www.mledesign.com/alice/mom.jpg


Anyone want to request any particular scene? o_o;

[Ashara]

Anyone notice how it kinda looked like the big guy in that episode with the beanie(forgot his name) always looked like he had dip in his mouth? It kinda looked that way to me, but that's just me.

PS: That 'KISS' Tounge laugh is just about the funniest laugh i have EVER seen in an animated TV show.

[KaitouKappei]

She knows judo, was she in that judo club with Richard back in college?
***Yes.

And with both of her parents into judo, why did Rachel opt for karate?
***No idea when it'll air but find out in episode 68-70 (first 3 part story).

And seeing that Richard used to be on the force, that would explain how she knows the inspector. I wonder if she went into law after the separation / divorce. ***Separation only. No, she was already a lawyer.

I was thinking she and the inspector had crossed paths before in court.
***No, they hadn't seen each other in years which is why (at least in the Japanese, I don't know how the scene went in the dub) he didn't recognize her RIGHT away.

[Homesick_Alien]

Ya know what i thought....i think that Rachaels mom (Eva) looks like the chick that gave him that pillzilla. Just my thought, cause he was like "she looks familiar somehow...." i thought it might be her, but im prolly wrong, but oh well. cause after that he it ended up being her mom so maybe it is and maybe it isnt.
:bosko:

[PickHut]

I agree with Sampo, I was more focused on who Rachel was seeing rather then the case:p , I also found it funny that no one was freaking out at how high Conan was jumping. I was surprised at the end that Eva was Rachel's mother, I figured she was related to her, but not like that. And everyone in Rachel's family seems to know judo, that's one family you don't wanna mess with in a hand to hand fight:sweat: . Even though Conan was after the wrong person the whole time (Rachel's meeting, not the murder), he still got screwed over in the end, heh.

Anyway, good episode, I give Murder at the Local Diner Murder an A-.

[jeffrey 228]

And I can sure say that this first episode was pretty good, including Conan getting real upset about Rachel going out with a man of some sort, wich he wanted to kick someones butt badily, but I can say that this was a pretty good episode so I'll give it a 9.2.

[JetMaster5]

...One of the best single episode DC/CC cases ever, and we're introduced to Eri Kasaki/Eva Kanon, Rachel's mom. Me (and everyone else) always wondered what happened to Richard's wife, and here she is!:) Man, that was some entrance by her. Great episode.

[SamCurt]

She knows judo, was she in that judo club with Richard back in college?
***Yes.
Wrong. Eva had her major and law school in Harvard, and it's 2 years early.

[shogunthethird]

well if someone were to show up Conan, I had a feeling it'd be Rachel's mom...although I just thought she was just a really talented detective or something, although in retrospect it made perfect sense seeing it now, especially when she flipped that one guy (and the fact Rachel said "her" and mentioned the ponytail I had a feeling it was the lawyer, although when I found out it was her mom that knocked me for a loop)

[Sampo]

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So the guilty party turns out to be the first one to have been disqualified. I didn't think it was that college student and dismissed him out of hand; a dangerous habit to get into I admit. I'm not clear on just how he could have stabbed her and not gotten any blood on himself other than that string around his finger. How would there be sufficient force or dexterity to wield the knife, holding onto it by a string? And was she strangled first, or stabbed first? I don't understand.
...

*Sampo puts on his Detective Conan Bowtie*

The victim was first strangled till she went unconscious. Then the big guy stabbed her with the knife (holding it normally by the handle) and quickly heaved her over the restroom stall door. When her body hit the floor, he yanked hard on bandage/rope attached to the knife causing all the blood to spray out. After that, blood started pouring out of her wound till she died.

[the Amanda]

Sampo, thanks for clarifying the bit about stabbing the victim with the knife on the string. I thought that they were saying that the killer somehow stabbed the victim by throwing the knife on a string over the stall door, which didn't make sense.

[Fatneck]

Ya know what i thought....i think that Rachaels mom (Eva) looks like the chick that gave him that pillzilla. Just my thought, cause he was like "she looks familiar somehow...." i thought it might be her, but im prolly wrong, but oh well. cause after that he it ended up being her mom so maybe it is and maybe it isnt.
:bosko:
Nah, the person who slipped Conan that pill was a long haired man.

[Samurai Karasu]

tonights episode seems like one of those "why did these obvious culprits commit the crime. Which I hate :(

[Captin "Hank" Murphy]

George-"Hey Conan, I found a rock with 'P' on it"
Conan-"That's Great George"

There's a good joke involving urine here, but I don't know what that joke is. :P

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Wow, what started out looking like an episode with the kids, wound up being that but also having some nice brainteasers and a very emotional and high quality ending. Man I love this show, can't wait for the two-parter that starts tomorow, looks awesome.

[Eddie G.]

Eh, soom good gags and a payoff at the end, but I didn't really enjoy this episode. To be fair I think the JDL is something the show could have don without, so I'm a tad bias.

[Kinel Ozoa]

*watches next episode preveiw then gasps* Shishio!! :eek: Sorry...couldn't resist.

I liked this episode, but the whole book at the end thing came outa nowhere if you ask me. Where are Jimmys parents anyway? Wasn't it mentioned in episode 2 or something?

[Nin-Nin69]

What was with the 50's music? Were they were going to do the twist?

Tomorrow's episode looks promising. Plus the killer looks like something straight out of the Clock Tower universe.

[Spidey2099]

*Woo* An episode without murders in it.

The "real treasure" was way too corny an ending...until Conan found out it was from his father, which luckily made things more interesting.

Next episode's case: Rachel vs. Hooded Shishio---who will wins?

[William C. Maune]

It may have been a JDL episode, but this show plays to a wide audience in Japan. Plus, we haven't really had many JDL episodes for quite awhile. Great ending, I wonder if it is senting anything up for the future.

[shogunthethird]

some random thoughts from this episode

"polaris...the north star" great now where's the man with seven scars?


Jimmy Kudo, human Batcomputer

a treasure chest? a map? IT'S DIRECTIONS TO GOLD ROGER'S TREASURE!


prieview.....HOLY CRAP! what's schwartzvald doing there?


still I do love a good brainteaser, shame we didn't have any deathtraps

although the Jimmy father thing was kinda cool (although nowhere near as cool as if the old paper really WAS a map to the grand line)

[CaptainRed]

I think last night's is my favorite episode thus far, and I'm really enjoying the series.

*Sampo puts on his Detective Conan Bowtie*

The victim was first strangled till she went unconscious. Then the big guy stabbed her with the knife (holding it normally by the handle) and quickly heaved her over the restroom stall door. When her body hit the floor, he yanked hard on bandage/rope attached to the knife causing all the blood to spray out. After that, blood started pouring out of her wound till she died.

Furthermore, on the "no blood on himself" point, the knife wasn't removed from the victim until after the body was thrown over the door. The presence of the knife in the wound would block a lot of the bleeding, and the victim's clothing would probably catch the rest. Thus, the murderer would've had a minute or two to open the window(if necessary), close the door, and push the victim's body over it(fairly quickly, as Sampo said).


I think one of the things I really liked about this episode was that the perpetraitor didn't break down and admit when he was found out. Oh, and the fact that he didn't break down into a pool of remorse was nice too. The episode overall was great, but these two points were icing on the cake for me.

Now onto tonight's episode!

*honks hugs and whatever else*
Cappy Red

[Juu-kuchi]

Good episode. We need these kinds of episodes once in a while. Yeah, the ending was rather sappy in some sense, but when Conan found out it was from his father well... that made it more interesting.

[Spidey2099]

*watches next episode preveiw then gasps* Shishio!! :eek: Sorry...couldn't resist.Dang it. I thought I had that one...:sweat:

[PickHut]

I enjoyed it because we didn't had a Junior Detective League episode in a long time, even though it was quite similar to that other map searching episode (Fish Marks the Spot, I think). I figured the real "treasure" at the end wasn't anything like jewel or stuff, it had a nice twist at the end, though.

I give A Hunting We Will Go a B+.

[lostrune]

1. Let's start off with the map. In order of appearance, the places are:

White Bone Tree

London Bridge --> That's why the kids were scared originally. With a name like that, who can't help but think of falling down. :D

Devil's Hand; Go through the small path --> Of course, the devil's hand is the left hand in some cultures (like Arabs, that's why they never eat with your the hand). Incidentally, the sumo winner is always supposed to accept the prize with his right hand (controversy: it's currently being violated....).

Spotted String --> the cliff with a snake symbol
Walton's Riverbank
Thief's Balance Beam --> the narrow ledges on a cliff
Wise Mueller's Valley --> the tree rope
Double-Headed Arrow
Bosporus' Tree
The Chief's House --> teepee
Big Bear and Small Bear's Hill --> destination

2. How could Conan et. al. pass on the adventure to their future kids when they already broke the bridge and the tree rope? (Gotta fix it some time.) :o

3. Some changes:

a. Amy's "flame of passion" was originally calling Conan "a bag of wise grandma's knowledge," to which Conan would've just preferred "survival knowledge." :sweat:

b. Booker Kudo <-- Yusaku Kudo

4. A little FUNi mistake: the writing at the front cover of the manuscript originally has the dad's name (Yusaku Kudo), not "To Jimmy" in the dub. That's in the foreword page (nobody writes a dedication in the cover page, after all). :shrug:

5. A little stuff the dub left out about Conan's dad's stolen manuscript:
The guy who stole it just died but not before hiding the stolen jewels there. Obviously, he couldn't publish a stolen script, so it was left unpublished for 18 years.

"peeping" :cool:



Ouch, k. I was wondering why Conan was so POed. That guy had the same type of laugh Richard has. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/jerk.jpg)

Well, they're both kinda womanizers. :D


well if someone were to show up Conan, I had a feeling it'd be Rachel's mom...although I just thought she was just a really talented detective or something,

Oh, don't worry. There would be more characters who can show up Conan. Even the M.I.B. agents are quite competent. And there's a "kid" thief whom Conan only managed to draw several times (no, it's not Lupn III). :)



I liked this episode, but the whole book at the end thing came outa nowhere if you ask me. Where are Jimmys parents anyway?

Heh, if you think Rachel's mom is something.... ;)

[jeffrey 228]

Well this episode proves to be quite interesting, regards of somthing, a bit more comedy in this episode and hardly any violance in this, and not all, it also learned a few lessions and thus for a short review tonight I can give this episide an 8.9.

[Ashara]

Finally, a fun episode sans bloody murder. Conan did some great solving and we get to see Dr. Agasa again. I give "A Hunting We Will Go" an A-

[Tapout]

In the first episode didn't they say Jimmy's parents were in the US? I don't remember the reason, or if there was even one given, but I think I remember it being said that's where they are.

I was thinking Schwartzvald, but Shishio works as well. What is it with anime and psuedo-mummies?

[SamCurt]

b. Booker Kudo <-- Yusaku Kudo
"Booker"? :eek: Not exactly tasteful for a person like him and could be mistaken as a bookie...

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM3.jpghttp://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM4.jpg


Dr. Agasa finds a old treasure map and gives it to the Junior Detective League (JDL) to figure out while he gets some fishing done. Well, the little treasure hunt turned out more exciting than they expected as the JDL faced many dangerous perils. They crossed a rickety bridge while collapsed right after they crossed it, falling into a shallow stream (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/stream.jpg) because a snake spooked the big oaf George, next being crushed by the mini ogre (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/victory.jpg) when the tree swing broke, and finally run into some thugs who were searching for their own loot. After a long day of crime busting and treasure hunting, they make their way back to the camp...

Those were some pretty neat tricks Conan came up with while watching this episode. Although I don't fully understand that one about the sun's position, the watch, and the angles. :confused: Fun episode with the JDL and I also agree that real treasure Conan found was a nice touch.

Humorous scene for me, watching Amy go gah gah (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/cuteamy.jpg) over the little detective as he figured various things out. :D Watch out Conan.

1. Let's start off with the map. In order of appearance, the places are:

White Bone Tree

London Bridge --> That's why the kids were scared originally. With a name like that, who can't help but think of falling down. :D

Devil's Hand; Go through the small path --> Of course, the devil's hand is the left hand in some cultures (like Arabs, that's why they never eat with your the hand). Incidentally, the sumo winner is always supposed to accept the prize with his right hand (controversy: it's currently being violated....).

Spotted String --> the cliff with a snake symbol
Walton's Riverbank
Thief's Balance Beam --> the narrow ledges on a cliff
Wise Mueller's Valley --> the tree rope
Double-Headed Arrow
Bosporus' Tree
The Chief's House --> teepee
Big Bear and Small Bear's Hill --> destination
...
A partial Map with subtitles (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/map.jpg) courtesy of Sampo technology and of course lostrune's translations!


...
2. How could Conan et. al. pass on the adventure to their future kids when they already broke the bridge and the tree rope? (Gotta fix it some time.) :o
...
Ah why fix them. Let Jimmy's kid(s) figure out how to get past those obstacles, much more challenging that way!! :evil: Heheh, just kidding.

*watches next episode preveiw then gasps* Shishio!! :eek: Sorry...couldn't resist.
...
LOL, same thought here.

[Duke]

Just like everyone else, I immediately thought Shishio when I saw the preview. If only he was voiced by Steven Blum.

Anyway, a really nice episode today. I was planning to ask last week if we were going to get any more JDL episodes soon. One thing I like about the JDL episodes is that they are usually pure adventure, with very little actual action, so they end up being pretty fun. But that bag of jewels must've weighed a LOT, so Conan's shoe must've been working over time on that one.

[see201]

In the first episode didn't they say Jimmy's parents were in the US? I don't remember the reason, or if there was even one given, but I think I remember it being said that's where they are.
Yup, they're in the states now. His dad is a famous detective novel author, and he works out of the states. (It's probably to avoid being harassed for his next publication)

b. Booker Kudo <-- Yusaku KudoBooker?!? They called him BOOKER!?! (Not that I have anything against Bookers, in fact I have a friend named Booker, but still....)

Heh, if you think Rachel's mom is something.... ;):D ROTFLMAO!!!

I'm looking forward to hearing everyone's theories after tonight's part 1! Don't miss it, it's a good one!

[Mr. Pedro]

Not the best, but an entertaining episode. I really dug the JDL's treasure hunting hi-jinx. Touching moment at the end, though the whole "Booker Kudo" thing made it drag on a bit.

Grade: B

[Meson]

Finally a good JDL episode. THis show just gets better every day.

[Master Moron]

I really enjoyed this episode's plot...the first time I saw it back on episode 3.

[Prince Valmont]

I accidentally fell asleep earlier then woke up at 3:30 AM, right as Lupin came on, so I missed both airings. From what I can gather from the other posts on here:

There is a treasure hunt that the JDL carries out.
>>Are there any bad guys in this episode?

At the end, they receive something
>>Is this "something" from Jimmy's Parents? Grand-parents? What is it? Is it a 2-parter? Does it involve important information for future episodes?

And as for the preview and next Conan's hint:
>>what happened in the preview? What is this Shishio? Why should good ol' Steve Blum dub the voice? Is this a character from another anime? What was the hint?

Thank you, and sorry I missed Conan... it won't happen again.
sorry sorry!!

[Sampo]

I accidentally fell asleep earlier then woke up at 3:30 AM, right as Lupin came on, so I missed both airings. From what I can gather from the other posts on here:

There is a treasure hunt that the JDL carries out.
>>Are there any bad guys in this episode?
...
Yup there were two thugs (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/goons.jpg) wearing business suits looking for a stash of stolen jewels that their boss (?) hid away.


At the end, they receive something
>>Is this "something" from Jimmy's Parents? Grand-parents? What is it? Is it a 2-parter? Does it involve important information for future episodes?
The original treasure they found was a note (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/note.jpg) from Jimmy's (Conan) dad that explained the adventure they had while on this treasure hunt was just as valuable as any gold or priceless jewlery. Also later on Dr. Agasa was able to recover a stolen manuscript which his father wrote. The doctor gave this unpublished manuscript to Conan.

The next episode is a two parter though.


...
And as for the preview and next Conan's hint:
>>what happened in the preview? What is this Shishio? Why should good ol' Steve Blum dub the voice? Is this a character from another anime? What was the hint?
...
There was this person wrapped up in bandages (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/shishio.jpg) so that person resembled Shishio and appeared to be after Rachel.

As for the hint...
Whee Whoo Weee Whoo

Someone looking through a keyhole while Conan said Sneak a Peek.


I'll have some images linked up to some of the above a little later. Currently the computer that has the video is busy doing a task which would be bad to interrupt. :sweat:

[Elve]

Booker Kudo? Booker? T_T; And he's an author... what a horrible pun...

If you thought Ran/Rachel's mom made quite the entrance, wait until you meet Conan's parents... ^_^;; I believe the episode they appear in is airing soon, maybe next week... look forward to that, because it's one of the best in the series. :)

Ooo, and the upcoming two parter is brutally violent. :D Almost as bad as the museum episode where that guy gets pinned to the wall with a sword through his throat... I think this gentle, murder-less JDL episode is... ah... preparation. :)

[KaitouKappei]

If you thought Ran/Rachel's mom made quite the entrance, wait until you meet Conan's parents... ^_^;; I believe the episode they appear in is airing soon, maybe next week... look forward to that, because it's one of the best in the series.

***It's episode 43 so 2 more weeks after this coming Thursday.

[the Amanda]

Ooh, I can't wait to see Conan's parents! I'm sure they must be... interesting, to say the least. :D

[KaitouKappei]

Well, that takes the cake in the name change department so far - in poor taste that is. BOOKER Kudo. Can't wait to see what Yukiko Kudo gets altered to or a certain famous high school detective come episode 48... :eek:

[KuwabaraTheMan]

If only TMS wouldn't have forced Funimation to change the names for the dub.

[the Amanda]

I don't understand why it's okay for Inuyasha to have names that are impossible to pronounce or remember, like Sesshoshamaru or whatever, but Conan couldn't keep names like "Ran" and "Kogoro" and "Shinichi."

[Ashara]

I don't understand why it's okay for Inuyasha to have names that are impossible to pronounce or remember, like Sesshoshamaru or whatever, but Conan couldn't keep names like "Ran" and "Kogoro" and "Shinichi."
Remember, most of InuYasha takes place in Feudal Japan, with demons. Sesshomaru(sp?) is more of a demon name than a human.

[Nftnat]

Besides, they have changed some things in the dub, like renaming attacks including 'kaze no kizu' or 'bakuryuha'. (I'm not sure I'm spelling those correctly. That, and removing the occasional 'u' (Kouga - Koga, Shippou - Shippo, etc.). But we're drifting here.

[Freedom Fighter]

Man, the whole 1 AM grind is finally wearing me down. Or maybe it's the episodes. Last Tuesday's ep was a drag, missed Wednesday's, Thursday's was better, and I'm kicking myself for missing the awesome ep from Monday.

So after missing two of the last three, the first eps I've missed in the show's run, onto my review of last night's episode...

Tuesday - "A Hunting We Will Go" (3.5 out of 4)
The JDL has been in and out, but this is the first actual 'JDL-centric' episode in awhile. Amy looked cute in that hat... if Conan is never able to change back to his normal age, at least he's got an alternative to Rachel!

Ahem... anyway, I agree with Conan in not wanting to see the whole treasure hunt, but the adventure was well worth it! And the few twists at the end made it the more sweeter. But for the life of me, a good amount of the field-related stuff (this episode's theme of choice: astrology!) flies right over my head. I can understand why some people are jealous of his talent (including Richard, remembering back to the start of the series). After all, with a detective like Conan/Jimmy around, who else would you consider hiring?

Oh, and kudos (ha, Kudos! :D ) to Dr. Agasa doing more than giving Conan a new invention to help in solving cases. And here's hoping to being able to be up the night Jimmy's parents appear (and their reaction to learning of Jimmy's 'disappearing act.')

[Spidey2099]

But we're drifting here.Don't worry. Less than three hours, fifteen minutes 'till... (http://www.angelfire.com/film/spidey2099animatedhq/images/RanShishtemplate)

[the Amanda]

Remember, most of InuYasha takes place in Feudal Japan, with demons. Sesshomaru(sp?) is more of a demon name than a human.
... yes, I know that the name is for a demon from the feudal era. I'm just saying it's ironic that Conan's perfectly reasonable names were changed, even though Inuyasha got to keep its hard-to-pronounce names.

[Daizaburo Estes]

I really don't see what's so difficult about pronouncing Inu-Yasha's character names. It's really simple:

HIGURASHI KAGOME
(HEE-guuh-rah-shee KAH-goh-meh)

INU-YASHA
(EE-nuuh YAH-shah)

SESSHOUMARU
(SESS-sho-mah-ruuh)

SHIPPOU
(SHEE-poh)

MIROKU
(MEE-roh-kuuh)

Maybe that's just me...

And I really don't get just what's so "unappealing" to TMS about "Shinichi" or "Mouri Ran/Kogorou" either. So what...?! They're JAPANESE names. Whoooooooo, MY GOD!! THE HORROR OF IT ALL!! HOW WILL WE EVER SURVIVE?!?! WAHHHHHHHHH!

...C'mon! -_-

[Sampo]

Don't worry. Less than three hours, fifteen minutes 'till... (http://www.angelfire.com/film/spidey2099animatedhq/images/RanShishtemplate)
LOL, nice piece of work there. :D

[Anime Freak]

Don't worry. Less than three hours, fifteen minutes 'till... (http://www.angelfire.com/film/spidey2099animatedhq/images/RanShishtemplate)
ROFL. My favorite part of that pic was "Who will Wins?" :D

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I'm guessing as the producers of the Japanese show TMS isn't scared of Japanese names.


The reason they made Funimation make these changes was they felt it would make Conan a bigger success over here, and they wouldn't be reasoned with.

[Spidey2099]

LOL, nice piece of work there. :DROFL. My favorite part of that pic was "Who will Wins?" :DThanks. I wish I could've animated the background to have that animated swoosh effect as seen on most fighting games (CN's Teen Titans web game is a perfect example). I was also wanting to make a mock game clip of both characters fighting for a few seconds, but I ran out of time. Well...there is still about an hour and a half left until the episode comes on...*Spidey2099 ponders*....

It took me way too long to find these images, BTW. :sweat:

[Daizaburo Estes]

I'm guessing as the producers of the Japanese show TMS isn't scared of Japanese names.


The reason they made Funimation make these changes was they felt it would make Conan a bigger success over here, and they wouldn't be reasoned with.
*sigh* That's not what I meant. What I'm saying is, THEY belived WE AMERICANS just couldn't take the originals and forced FUNI into changing, despite the sheer IDIOCY that is that decision. There.

[Youko Recca]

Ugh...who took a **** on the OP? Why does it do that?

[Rabi~en~Rose]

gross!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

this is the worst murder yet! :(

[Youko Recca]

This is turning out to be the best murder in a short while. Finally a serial killer....

[Rabi~en~Rose]

after that freaky murder :( the cuteness of Conan not being able to think with Racheal in bed next to him calmed me down :) until the mummy psycho showed up again :eek: :( :(

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Woah, that was some messed up ****. Seriously, this killer is a friggin' lunatic, and he must be some sort of genius as everyone has a solid alibi(saw him running off). Unless it was some sort of illusion, and the murder happened earlier, but that's hard to believe.


Man, that was really scary near the end too. But damn Jimmy's a lucky bastard. But if Rachel knew the truth she'd kill him(if she hadn't already for the washing each other's backs thing).

I have to say I have nothing in the way of suspects, this is the best episode yet.

Curiously, it looks like Richard's only appearance this week will have been a repeated clip in Monday's episode.

[Tapout]

If it weren't for the connection to Rachel which I can't figure out, I'd say the fat guy did it. They said something about him putting on 50 pounds. I'm guessing that's fake so he looks to big to be the murderer.

[Eddie G.]

"She's supposed to like Jimmy."
"Exactly."
"I'm going to have to go out with Jimmy."
"Not exactly."

Pretty good episode overall, although I'm 99% sure I already solved the mystery. And bravo on the timing of the bedroom gag, it was an obvious joke but Conan not freaking out the second Rachel got in bed with him but just losing his train of thought looking at her made it the highlight of tonight.

[Prince Valmont]

Ok, I'm stumped.. I thought it was Felix, the fat guy, cause of the matching eyes as the killer, yet when the killer ran through the front of the house, it threw us off.

OOOK! Speculation time!!
Please be aware this is all theory and not the actual event. Plus, we've only got 24 hours to crack this one, unlike the 3-day period we got for the Class reunion.

I still believe it's Felix, controlling a "dummy" to pass by the window where everyone would be. He was outside on a stepladder fixing something from the roof. It's possible he could construct a mechanism of that killer to make a dummy. Besides, we've seen him haul ass throughout this episode... well no.. it's not prostetic fat--Rachel saw the guy naked...

Could it possibly be Emily, the previously-believed-to-be dead girl taken to revenge? No.. How and why would Rachel be involved?

The victim tonight. I highly doubt she's the killer. Perhaps she snuck out because the letter she received threatened blackmail. Blackmail for the murder of Emily. If you remember the flashback (Sampo, do you have a capture of this) of Emily's hanging corpse, I think that girl (the dismembered victim) was the only one missing from the flashback of the death scene.

And we can rule out Serena, well because yeah! Shes a secondary character. But is her sister completely innocent?

OOH! So shady....

Ok people, speculate! Theory!

[Anime Freak]

Damn,that was the best Conan eppy yet! I loved it! Now if only the rest of the Conan eppys could have mad axe men who attacked Rachel and Conan every chance they got.I guess now we see why Conan can't be on Primetime or Toonami.

[Spidey2099]

Who was the VA for the guy with the green headband? He sounded waay too much like David Lucas (even though that's not Shishio's VA, but still)...

Anyways, my thoughts on the murder:

Her death was staged. The sound effects made it sound like the body was really light and hollow, like it was a mannequin, especially when the head fell off the body and hit the ground. For what reason she staged her death, I don't know, but it was very obvious after Conan figured out that she snuck out the back to avoid attention, and when he wondered why the killer wanted to show the body to everyone.

[PaQ]

My 2 favorite moments of tonight's episode were..

Rachel continually walking in on the guys changing in their rooms, which leads Conan to think to himself that Rachel should try knocking next time..

And then when Rachel gets in bed with Conan.. Lucky Jimmy, the advantages to having been shrunk.. I can see how he could get lost in thought too.. :anime:

[Youko Recca]

I wonder what Jimmy's gonna do about that ankle...that honestly looked painful. Then him trying to get up again. In a way it was funny. Funny.

[Sampo]

Just dropped by to make a quick post about this silly image I just made.

Oh yeah, read right to left.

[edit changed link, now at This Link with ads. (http://www.angelfire.com/anime5/sampo/Conan_vs_Shishio.htm) Also includes Rachel VS Shishio]

Sorry about the fonts, it looked good at first. But when I resized the image the fonts became a little hard to read :sweat: I will fix it later and most likely move the image to another website cuz its pretty big...

Later :)

[TnAdct1]

My main suspects are Felix and the victim herself, Jessica (with me currently leaning towards Felix).

For Felix, it's apparent that the "Shishio" that was seen at the window with Jessica was a fake, and considering how he's been busy working on the roof all this time, he could have been up there setting up the dummy "Shishio" and Jessica (with Jessica already being dead for some time). In fact, it's possible that the body of Jessica that was found in the woods could be a fake, and that Felix killed her in a different way.

For Jessica, she could have staged her own fake murder using a dummy of herself, which she then chops up once she reached the woods.

P.S. The whole Conan/Shishio thing is quickly becoming this year's "Kentaro (aka Ruroni Hamtaro)".

[KuwabaraTheMan]

That was great Sampo. Hilarious.

[Spidey2099]

Just dropped by to make a quick post about this silly image I just made.

Oh yeah, read right to left.

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgre...Conan/comic.jpg

Nice!

Man, I hope they have more Kenshin-type characters in future episodes. This is fun. :D

[RD!]

It's all a practical joke.

[PickHut]

Heh, Rachel carelessly walking into every room was pretty humorous. I guess after the first room, she couldn't think straight:D . Interesting episode, this one is kinda hard, just due to the fact that I have no idea why he/she's going after Rachel:shrug: . It could be Michel, if that's the case, but I somehow doubt it. I'm guessing it could be Felix......but, then, there's the whole Rachel thing....I'm almost clueless. As for Conan, man, he got screwed there in the end, he won't be able to move around quickly like he always does.

Anyway, I give Mountain Villa Murder Part 1 an A-.

Nice Shishio gags, btw. :D

[FutureMan]

Wow. I've got to say tonight's episode definately had me on the edge of my seat, especially towards the end there :eek:.

I'll give it *****

[jeffrey 228]

Well, I can say that this episode is getting better and bett and I say Jessie is getting revenge against Rachel, so tonights episode gets a 9.6, thank you.

And Sampo, get those images up, so I can see more hints of this episode.

[Chuquita]

Wow, the way she was killed was a shock. This is the first time the killer's actually choped limbs off the victim :eek:

Serena's sister seems to be one of those characters who always keeps her eyes shut (sorta like Mrs. Briefs...) I don't think she's the murderer, but the eye thing being the clue sorta made me wonder...

I think I'm leaning towards the set-designer guy or the camera-man. Set-designer guy because he was the one who pointed out many of the strange events--and in an ecstatic way, or camera-man guy cuz he's the one who originally left the house with the victim. He also looks strong enough to cut the ropes on the bridge.

[PickHut]

Ah, wait, the clue in the previous episode. When Rachel was walking in on everyone, maybe the person thought she saw something important, and that's why he's trying to kill her. Now I'm really starting to think it's Felix....Maybe he found out it was Jessica that drove Emily to kill herself and wanted her dead.

[Perfect Cell]

Whats with these class reunions and the murders... anyways i thought it might be the girl who commited suicide, in vengance for the classmates treating her wrongly...

Doubt its the fat kid though.

[lostrune]

I know what you did last summer, er, 2 years ago! :eek:
Ah, and it started out so light-hearted too: ladies-in-waiting and eligible bachelors, Conan couldn't take a hint (when he's not invited :D ), Rachel getting macked upon, Serena thinking retaliation, etc. :cool:
Who knew it'd turn out so grim... or is it really? :p

1. Originally, while taking a walk with Rachel, Michel wanted to teach Rachel what "adult love" is all about! :o :sweat:

2. Ah, the days before Japan became cellphone haven, when even gradeschoolers have their own cellphones. I'd bet they can even get a signal in the mountains nowadays. :D

3. Geez, they're breaking all the rules of a scary movie. First, don't sleep! Second, don't get separated! Everybody should group together in the living room by the fire and wait for daylight. With such a grizzly murderer, how could anybody sleep so casually (in pajamas even - keep your clothes on, so you're ready to run any time). Sometimes, these people don't act realistically. :rolleyes:

4. Ah, too bad the killer interrupted; otherwise, somebody would've had such a woody in the morning. :anime:
BTW, Rachel wasn't drugged - just that once she's asleep, coma time. Conan knows that all along, so he could've taken advantage of her lips, and she wouldn't know any better. :o :evil:

pronouns! ;)

6. Now, for some things to think about:

a. Michel and his "Slade/Schwartzvald" one-eyed look at Rachel in the forest. ;)

b. Randall, walking with Jessica, disappearing at the most inopportune moment. BTW, I think the dub conveniently left out somebody commenting that Randall and Jessica "look like gonna split up soon." ;)

c. Have you guys ever considered that the "body" may just be a puppet? ;)

d. Have you guys also noticed that they're all film-makers and a camera? ;)

7. As for the next episode, Rachel may get a chance to play detective, Conan-style. ;)
And remember both hints - you'll need it! :D



Those were some pretty neat tricks Conan came up with while watching this episode. Although I don't fully understand that one about the sun's position, the watch, and the angles. :confused:

OK, in the northern hemisphere beyond the tropics (the sun only "moves" between the latitudes of Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn), the sun will always be just a bit south (never exactly east, west, or above/apex). So, in the afternoon (when the map assumes the treasure-hunter will reach the Double-Headed Arrow), the sun would be about South-West. Thus, if you make 3 o'clock SW, then South would be about 1:30. And you can figure out the rest.



As for the hint...
Whee Whoo Weee Whoo
Nexto Conan HiNto!

Actually, believe it or not, in the original Japanese, the announcer tries to say that line in proper English (albeit with an accent). Ergo, "Next Conan Hiiiiint!" :D


Wow, the way she was killed was a shock. This is the first time the killer's actually choped limbs off the victim :eek:

Are you positively sure that's her? ;) :D

[Tapout]

Besides, we've seen him haul ass throughout this episode... well no.. it's not prostetic fat--Rachel saw the guy naked...
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I should go fill the holes in my memory with bullets.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

I kept looking at the eyes and thought Felix right away but he's not the right build and has a rounded nose, the killer DEFINETLY has a pointed nose.

Funny thing about the eye thing too is that I keep seeing everyones eyes on this show turn blue and small like that when wide open. Rachael's eyes did it as she prepared to scream. The killer has his/her eyes wide open all the time.

I dunno. This is tough cause it's hard to place someone, I want to say that the writer lady is still alive but I think I need more clues to back up what I have in mind. It does make sense anyway. Ahhh My head.:confused:

[Nin-Nin69]

Well it's easy to narrow it down to who the killer is.

1) The killer has a rounded face.

2) The killer has a pointed nose

3) The killer has blue eyes.

Three people fit that descripton. The actor, Jessica, and........Serena's sister? We don't know just yet, but the entire time I suspected her since she and fatty were the only people that didn't run out of the house earlier in the show. Since the villan isn't a fatso, it must be her.

Take a screenshot of the villan and all three of the people I just listed and we can find a resemblence. Better yet take a picture w/ all three standing next to each other, and another of the killer standing next to Rachel. That would narrow it down pretty quick.

[Gruntling]

Murder at the Local Diner was a pretty interesting episode. I was surprised to find out that it was the large man that killed Ivonne. I don't know where I was, but I didn't figure it out until the end. But I suppose the biggest surprise I got out of this episode, was that Eva was actually Rachel's mom! I had presumed she was dead considering that she wasn't ever mentioned in any of the previous episodes. It's good to know that Eva actually isn't dead and, its just that Rachel's parents are seperated. Hopefully Eva will appear in future sessions.


I give Murder at the Local Diner an A.

The next episode this week was A Hunting We Will Go. I usually don't like Junior Detective League episodes, mostly because of George, but this episode was actually pretty cool. Dr. Agasa's relationship with Conan and the kids is pretty comical and kind of sentimental at the end. It's also kind of coincidental that at the end, Jimmy finds that the treasure is a letter from his dad, and that the previous episode had something to do with an unseen parent as well.

I give A Hunting We Will Go an A-.

Finally I arrive at tonight's episode, The Mountain Villa Case Part I. By far this episode is certainly the most gruesome murder we've seen yet. Jessica's limbs were cut off! The episode was actually kind of freaky how a psychotic murderer is out in the pitch-black woods at night lurking to search for another victim. First of all, I don't think Felix is the murderer. His body type and everything else don't match the killer's features. And I'm also ruling out all of the girls. I seriously doubt they were involved. I think that the murderer is Michel. He seems overly-confident about the whole situation and has a "carefree" attitude that sort of puts the finger on him. As a second choice, Randall may have been the killer too. He went back to get an umbrella for Jessica when it started raining so to me he just seems very suspicious.

Anyway I give The Mountain Villa Case Part I top honors with an A+.

[William C. Maune]

Hypothesis Time:

I forget who, but I remember someone mentioning that they were a makeup artist. A make-up artist should be able to make something look like a dead body. Plus, the suspect was moving pretty fast for someone carrying all that dead weight. I think the bandaged person is actually the writer-director lady. If she gets herself out of the picture then she can't be a suspect. However, for this hypothesis to work she would have to be working with the make-up artist lady and I don't know if they would have two people be guilty.

[Prince Valmont]

pronouns! ;)
Ok, so this obviously states the killer (if previously mentioned as 'him') could easily be female.


6. Now, for some things to think about:

a. Michel and his "Slade/Schwartzvald" one-eyed look at Rachel in the forest. ;)

>>Ok, I've also noticed Randall has made this eye look, and Felix's eyes ALWAYS match those of the killer.

b. Randall, walking with Jessica, disappearing at the most inopportune moment. BTW, I think the dub conveniently left out somebody commenting that Randall and Jessica "look like gonna split up soon." ;)

>>So they have relationship problems... It could easily mean the finger will be pointed at Randall as we call the "Wrongfully Accused" First Suspect.

c. Have you guys ever considered that the "body" may just be a puppet? ;)

>>As a matter of fact, yes. Felix is a set designer, props can easily be made. Wasn't Jessica the make-up artist or the writer? Prosthetic blood & limbs should't be too hard to fake. Perhaps it's a double-job. You know, two people working together (Jess & Felix)

d. Have you guys also noticed that they're all film-makers and a camera? ;)

<<I picked up more on this the second time I viewed it. I took better note of the jobs assigned to each of the staff.

Are you positively sure that's her? ;) :D
Right, now here's my second take on this, theories and all;

THEORY ONE

The body we saw dismembered in the woods was a dummy;fake;prosthetic. The people able to do this beforehand could have been Felix. Everyone thinks he's patching the roof. Perhaps he was busy rigging a mechanism to create a illusion that would appear later, or maybe it's already been constructed, and he places the prosthetic parts in the woods. Before leaving the Villa, he places the strange note under Jessica's door. Perhaps he has confronted her about Jessica's murder of Emily (Hence she wasn't present at the time of the flashback of the hanging). Felix threatens blackmail and arranges for a private meeting between the two. Jessica sneaks out the back, leaving her slippers, which have no mud on them, and runs into the woods for the meeting. She is knocked out and hidden someplace for time constraints (Possibly the room with the propane, and he comes back in through the back ((The muddy carpet after it rained))), as everyone is thinking she is in her room. During dinner, Felix is the only one not included at the dinner table, aside from Jessica. He comes down the ladder from the roof, perhaps activating the mechinism of his stage design. He throws on the "I'm Freakin Out!" act to throw suspicions off of him, then to seal the act, he claims he sees the killer, saying "STOP! GET AWAY FROM HER!", although in the next second, we clearly see what appears to be the killer with a DEAD-LOOKING Jessica head. There is no reason as to why Felix would scream at a murder to get away from "her" when "her" was only a corpse-less head.
Later that night, when everyone's about to go to sleep, Serena's locking up a two-door ...door with the only lock that has a special "peep hole" for the keyhole. This is when Conan goes through the shoe-dresser.
When everyone is asleep, Conan awakes to see the killer standing over them and the window is open. All the doors and windows were locked tight, so the window must have been unlocked from the INSIDE. The killer was Felix, sneaking into Rachel/Conan's room.
Why? Felix thinks Rachel saw something in the woods that she wasn't supposed to when she ran from Michell. Trying to cover the conspiracy of Emily's murder (Felix's crush?).
As of how Felix's figure doesn't match that of the killer, it throws it off. But how long have fat suits been available? Even something to throw Rachel off as she stumbles into the room.

THEORY TWO

Jessica's dismembered body in the woods is a prosthetic dummy, as she staged her own death. The note she receives in her room is real, from Someone as HE holds some information that she doesn't want out. Her figure fits the killer's. I believe she's an expert in make up/design, so fake limbs, fake blood. She couldn't, however, construct a mechanism on the roof, seeing as how Felix comes down FROM the roof. Unless... -- the killer we see running through the window is INDEED Jessica with a prosthetic head. That way, she leads the others into the woods, to find the already planted dummy, as she slips back into the house through the back, (Muddy floors) and hides in her room when everyone locks up. She sneaks into Conan/Rachel's room at night and attempts murder. She unlocks the window and opens it to appear as if he/she came from the outside.

MOTIVE:
Well, perhaps she has a grudge against Richard for a case he could/couldn't solve involving Emily. She could have known about Rachel's invitation ahead of time.

Well that's all I can come up with now... Hope it can lead up to something.

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/suspects.jpg



Wow, a really creapy Case Closed show. We have a psycho craized person out there and it appears that Jessica is now chopped up and dead. But who could have done it will everyone witnessing the abduction of Jessica?

This an interesting case. We have a motive for all the guest there. There was a murder 2 years ago that happened to a collogue. Maybe that's why the killer was after Jessica and stalking the others... But why was the bandage person after Rachel? Also why would the killer bother runing around to the front of the house to show off his handy work?

I was first thinking it was Felix as other posters pointed out that he could have a prosthetic body suit that gives him the appearance that he is fat. Rachel did see him changing clothes, but she only saw him from the back and we didn't see anything on the TV screen. Heh, some fan service for the ladies. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/Racheloopsx3.jpg) I wonder how much of Michel did Rachel see...

The masked person cut down the roped bridge trapping all of them to that house. The odd thing I saw is that the person required a number of swings (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/scar%20marks.jpg) to cut the ropes. If it was a guy, he should have very little trouble with the task. Although if it was a woman, she might have problems swinging the axe precisely and repeatedly to slice through the ropes.

Here is my theory if Jessica is really dead:

Angie and Felix are in it together. Felix should have seen something while on the roof. As for Angie she could be the one dressing up as the killer. The motive is that they believe Jessica had to do something with the death of Emilly (?), so they killed her. Err stealing someone else's idea posted here :sweat: , Felix had lots of time to construct a puppet to look like the masked person and Jessica on the roof. Also Angie does resemble the mummy person. Odd thought, maybe they want Rachel dead is because when Rachel accidently barged into Felix's room she saw something?

after that freaky murder :( the cuteness of Conan not being able to think with Racheal in bed next to him calmed me down :) until the mummy psycho showed up again :eek: :( :(LOL yup I thought that scene was neat. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/wtgconan.jpg)



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The victim tonight. I highly doubt she's the killer. Perhaps she snuck out because the letter she received threatened blackmail. Blackmail for the murder of Emily. If you remember the flashback (Sampo, do you have a capture of this) of Emily's hanging corpse, I think that girl (the dismembered victim) was the only one missing from the flashback of the death scene.
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Yup sure here you go. Small pan of the scene. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/hanging.jpg)

Here is another shot (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/murderer.jpg) of the murderer carrying Jessica away.

Here are various body parts of Jessica (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/bodyparts.jpg) :sweat:

Oh yeah, thanks for the comments on the pic I posted earlier... Hmm, going to try to make another one if I have time tomorrow. Heh.

[Nin-Nin69]

Wait a minute. Then Angie could've easily made up the dummy head and killed Jessica ahead of time. After all Conan never got to inspect the body and it was raining outside. So it was hard to see anything.

Besides, wasn't Angie even in the dining room when the killer ran by? I thought it was just the boys, Rachel, and Serena.:confused:

So far this is the best two-part murder mystery since the Moonlight Sonata.

[Gruntling]

I'm actually really starting to think that Angie is the killer. She's a skilled make-up artist and it makes sense that she could have made prostetics.

BTW, does anyone know what they did with Jessica's body and limbs? Did they just leave her and her body parts outside in the rain?!

[Nin-Nin69]

They left it there of course. Otherwise Conan would've solved the mystery already. Just like the time the Jr Detective League found the cat covered in blood. :rolleyes:

[tucsoncoyote]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/suspects.jpg





After all of this I am really going to shock all of you. and this picture is the proof so I'm already going to start removing suspects faster then a Chicken in a twister...

First off we know it Can't be Felix or Randall. (why?) Well if you remember the Killer He's Thin, (so that already let's out Felix (our FAT Set Desinger) and it's not Radall , as already pointed out by Nin-nin 69 and Chris Sanders MSX that Randall has a Rounded nose)

That leaves just 3 Suspects.. Michel, Jessica (the intended Victim), and Angie.

Now then Let's say that Jessica was Alive... and we included her in the list, sure she could have faked her own death, but let's face facts, unless she had a reason to do so, you can bet that it wasn' because of Emily's Death...

Now let's say that Jessica was indeed Dead (and indeed that was her body (or Like Sampo and Lostrune stated (is it?)

Well if Jessica was dead look at the eyes. Note that the eyes on Jessica Don't match up with the eyes of the killer, and besides she wouldn't kill herself just because of Emily's Death now would she?

(No of course Not..)

Now Michel, might have a motive here and it was well pointed out that He could have killed Jessica for Emily's Death. (that is a Possibility we have to NOT discount perhaps it was the fact that note that Jessica got tonight.. but in fact, this might really come to a shock to everyone.. and I've even got the Motive down here..

The Killer is of course Angie... (that's right, Serena's Sister!)

now what a Sec, you'll say to me, she's not the killer, but look what she is? She's a MAKE up Artist (HELLO! Ring the Bell! wake up pleaase!)

Angie would know how to use even FAKE eye coloring and contact lenses that would give us that Wiild Eye stare.... (and being a Make up artist.. she also would be able to know how to make a Dummy Look very REAL indeed. (Including a duplicate of the supposedly Dead Jessica Starr).

but then you say what is her motive? It's easy.. Revenge...that's right Revenge..

Jessica really didn't write that script that is currently out there.. (Guess who did? The NOw Deceased Emily who hung herself!)

Why then?

That's easy too. Emily was the one who wrote the whole script.. Jessica stole it from her, Emily ends up hanging from a noose, a Shocked Angie Knows the truth.. (again notice who is CALM here..(Angie..) so Angie slips Jessica the note and is going to spill the beans if Jessica doesn't take off and fast. and she could have.. but Like Conan said, Jessica would have used the front door instead of the back.. the only one who could have done it was Angie, (She's the ONLY One who knows of thie back door, as serena would have had folks come in and out of the front door.) and why Kill Rachel?

Again Easy cakewalk..

Rachel's Dad, Richard Moore, 2 years ago was on the case, and he botched it big time, and ruled it a suicide when in actuality it was a MURDER (that's right folks Emily was MURDERED, and guess who did it? You got it.... Jessica..) so watch and Learn, because Sherlock Holmes Said it best..

Eyes and Brains, Watson, Eyes and Brains.

:coyote:

[lostrune]

BTW, does anyone know what they did with Jessica's body and limbs? Did they just leave her and her body parts outside in the rain?!

Oh, the dub forgot to mention that Randall covered it up with his jacket and left it there. ;)

[tucsoncoyote]

After watching the Mountain Villa Murder Mystery Episode a Second Time, I was wondering who else it could have been , and in fact, I'm starting to see something that I might have missed and I could have fingered the wrong person (and in fact Now I'm thinking that maybe just maybe, It's not just one..)

I'm still really going to stick with Angie, but I bet she did have some help..(at least what I would call "An Unwilling Accomplice"..that might have taught the killer a Trick or two..

Now then here's a new Hypothesis and it still involves Angie but the Unwilling acomplice is of course Felix..(as he is a Set Designer and would have known about something like this (and you have to add in one other piece of the puzzle) namely tonight's clue.

Piano Wire

sure the finger still points back to Angie but with a little bit of help from Felix (by using his knowledge of Speical Effects (and tonight's Clue). it could have been rigged so that it LOOKED like Jessica was being Kidnapped by "The Goon" when in reality it was a Double Ruse. (both Jessica and the Goon, were really dummies that were rigged up by Angie..)

Now as to where the body of Jessica Star is? That's also a piece of Cake..(It's in the Ravine! after all Angie was supposedly "In the kitchen the whole time, yet in reality while the boys were out and about looking around for the Supposed Goon that had Kidnapped Jessie, and Serena and Rachel were upstairs locking down the Place and in fact that's when Angie made her move, as she dumped the body out a closet near the back and while the guys were gone finding the dummy body of Jessica, Angie just Dropped Jessica's REAL body into the Ravine.

so I'm sticking to my guns on this one.. Angie's The Killer, The Motive against Jessica was to get back at her for Stealing Emily's Script, and in fact, now we know where the body is..after all it's not that hard to figure out. But why the attacks on Rachel? That also isn't a mystery.. Serena and Rachel are betst Friends and with Rachel out of the Way, Serena would be Easy Picking by her own sister, who is nothing more then a lowly makeup artist while Serena was the star. (ah yes Sibling Rivalires!)

:coyote:

[tucsoncoyote]

The masked person cut down the roped bridge trapping all of them to that house. The odd thing I saw is that the person required a number of swings (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/scar%20marks.jpg) to cut the ropes. If it was a guy, he should have very little trouble with the task. Although if it was a woman, she might have problems swinging the axe precisely and repeatedly to slice through the ropes.
Actually Sampo you just hit the nail on the head, and in fact this now further Implicates Angie..Let me explain

Your clue here is the Dead give away, after all Like you stated, if this indeed was a Man, One Well placed shot and the bridge would have been history. and in fact this is where i give you creidt for Keen Observation.

if this was a woman (and indeed this was) it would have taken a number of Swings to do that deed and taking a swing with an axe that heavy would have been hard just for a Female.

so who are the only females here? Well here's a thought It's Either Angie or Serena.. and I highly doubt It's Serena..

Now there is one other possibility and this is Something that probably No one but Myself could have thought of..(It's crazy I know but it's just a thought..)

Notice the name Michel... could this be the clue we are over looking? Could Michel be a shortened name for Michelle? (a Woman's name?)

that's in itself is an intriguing thought that NO One has really thought about!
no one except maybe myself.

(so now we could have it where it's Michel, and in fact now that we look at this it's that NOTE that could hold the key to this mystery (and now the motive could be blackmail..)

I'm still going to say Angie, but now the Secondary suspect Could be Michel(le).. thoughts?

:coyote:

[Happy]

Argh! I slept through this. :( (Stupid sleep inducing InuYasha)

[Sanwich]

Dude, this has been a great week for Conan episodes. :)

I've basically got a lot of observations and not a strong conclusion, and much of it has already been mentioned, but what the hey. Personally, I think Felix is the killer. Yes, there are discrepancies with the killer's appearance and his own, but we've all experienced the fact that things aren't always what they seem. As for a motive, I think that whoever killed Jessica was doing it because of the dead girl, Emily... I mean, otherwise why would they have mentioned it in the story? Perhaps Jessica was really responsible for her death or something, and that note she found could've threatened blackmail and arranged for a meeting outside or something.

I personally don't have all the answers about how certain things could've happened when most of the suspects were all together in a group, but I do know Rachel isn't guilty, Serena isn't, and probably Angie isn't either... If she is, that would pretty much ruin the life of a main character - I'd feel bad for Serena if her sister turned out to be a murderer. c_c That leaves the three guys. And Jessica, but I have a feeling she really is dead. And hopefully I won't be eating my words come tomorrow. ;)

Out of the three guys, I'm just extra suspicious of Felix - he's been out 'fixing the roof' by himself, and even though he doesn't look like the killer, he could be wearing a fat suit or something (yeah, this is bordering on the absurd, but stranger things have happened). I think the killer's after Rachel because he thinks she saw something incriminating when she accidentally burst in on all of the guys at the beginning of the episode. As far as Felix being right there when the killer ran past the window, perhaps it was arranged so he would simply appear to be innocent - I'd agree with other folks that maybe it was a puppet or illusion of some sort. And after all, Felix was the one who drew everyone's attention to the window before the killer even ran by. c_c

There were also a ton of cute moments in the show, making it extra-enjoyable, like the jealousy thing with Serena and Jimmy... As well as the bed and whatnot. ;) Can't wait 'till tonight. o_x

[shoujoaifan]

Great montage Sampo!

And for the CC/DC characters: C'mon. C'MON! There's a deranged axe murderer running amock who killed one of your friends, and you'll saying got to bed?

They need to hide together someplace safe where they have room to ambush and/or fight the murderer and take turns as gaurds and always have more than one guard up at any given time.

And make sure you find anything useful as a weapon.

[see201]

I don't know how effective it is to compare eyes and noses. After all, couldn't someone wear a mask? How about make-up? Or perhaps in this series they don't pay too much attention to matching eyes and noses, as that would make it too easy for people to guess who the killer is, so instead they just make the killer look as creepy as possible...

Something to think about...:D

[Anime 51]

For some reason, I thought the killer might be Emily.:rolleyes:

[the Amanda]

My probably completely wrong theory!

Like Anime 51 just above me, I wonder if the "killer" is Emily.

Note "killer" in quotes. Nobody's been killed. It's all just a "Blair Witch" style horror film they're making, with Rachel, Serena and Conan as unwitting participants. Note how Randall is always taping, even at the dinner table. What's he taping for? The fight at the dinner table, Angie's tale to Conan, all of that was made up and acted. Note how the killer doesn't REALLY try to kill Rachel. He brings down that axe very deliberately, giving her easily enough time to dodge out of the way (or for Conan to knock her out of the way). When she's still sleeping after being kicked out of the way, does the killer immediately get her with the axe? No, he just kind of stands there until Conan wakes her up, then stands there menacingly, then flees when Serena pounds on the door (oh, and hey, it's Serena who's worried, because she's not in on this). Why would the killer flee when he hears Serena pounding on the door? He has more than enough time to kill Rachel AND Conan AND escape... the answer: because it's not real. :D

[Duke]

OK, I'm going to guess the killer is either Emily or Jessica. I figured as soon as I saw the limbs that they were fake. I haven't really come up with a motive (having a cold sucks) yet, but I'm working on it.

Then again, the clue for Part I was "peeking," and the only peeking done was when Rachel accidentally walked in on the boys.

[MeggieMay]

My main question at this point is whether or not Conan broke his ankle or not at the end of the episode. The sound effects sure made it sound like he had but the sound effects people could have simply gotten carried away there :) .

Anyway, if Conan has snapped his ankle and this "murder" is really some sort of Blair Witch style hoax, then the participants have gone a bit far IMO. While the viewers know Conan's really not a kid, the majority of people in the shows universe don't, so I would think at this point those doing the hoax are going to have to start worrying just what sort of trouble they'll be getting into by hurting a small kid (if it's a hoax that is :p ).

[Eddy]

Not sure who the killer is exatly, but I'm thinking Shishio has some sort of connection to Emily and he (or she? :eek: ) wants revenge. And then, for some reason, Shishio is after Rachel.

Well, I guess all questions will be answered by tonight.

[Prince Valmont]

if this was a woman (and indeed this was) it would have taken a number of Swings to do that deed and taking a swing with an axe that heavy would have been hard just for a Female.
>>But don't forget how hard the killer hits when it brings down the axe to it's destination.


Notice the name Michel... could this be the clue we are over looking? Could Michel be a shortened name for Michelle? (a Woman's name?)
>>Didn't Rachel see all of them naked? Unless Michell had a sex change, I think it's a guy. Besides, these are all FUNi dub names.

And by looking back on Sampo's picture of the murderer running with what appears to be Jessie's head, notice we don't see any hands or anything.. It could be simple to say, it's really Jessica's head, still attached to her living body, but she strapped herself to a contraption that creates the illusion of a killer having a hold on her. So when we see the killer run by, we think the person running was the killer, because he's looking at us. The killer's head here could just be the fake, and Jessica's really doing the running, to pass off her death.

Why? You can't accuse the already dead of murder.. Maybe Jessica plans to run away after she kills the planned victim.

[Nftnat]

Another two-part episode. I look forward to these and have been led to expect great things. I have yet to be disappointed.
So, we've had these things on an island, a small cruise ship, and a class reunion; what's next? I know! A house in the country. Which is where we see our first couple of late night anime (with possible exceptions involving InuYasha, but I'll leave that alone). Not that we haven't seen a murder mystery taking place among actors before, with that one about Richard's script.
Rachel got invited somewhere, and Conan invited himself to tag along. Well, Rachel didn't stop him. And it was Serena, from Monday's episode? I guess she and Rachel are friends, although this is only the second time I remember seeing her in this series. So Rachel did know her, just not the guy she was meeting.
*snort* , film people. Oh, behave yourself, Nftnat, there's a number of film people on these boards. I found it interesting that Michel was the only one who was calm at being walked in on by Rachel. I guess being the actor among them, he's used to being seen in any state of undress, and that's all I'm gonna say about that.
Excellent joint flame-age there with Serena and Conan both being jealous of Michel and Rachel.
The motive for going after Rachel would have to date from before this little get-together as Rachel and Conan saw him on arriving.
Hmm, Jessica Star; wonder if she's related to Darren Star. Guess not.
And now we are introduced to the backstory involving Emily. Why? The people at DC / CC don't do anything at random; this must figure in with why the killer is killing. It was said that Jessica wasn't there there when it happened, but she was; I clearly remember everyone being in that flashback scene and it has now been confirmed.
Rachel's scared of lightning? Did Jimmy already know that? I mean, everyone should be scared of lightning, I fear lightning, but I don't freak out when I hear it and go screaming off running.
Eyugh, dismemberment, now that's something I didn't expect to see! Who said this was a kids' show?
Jessica was the one poo-pooing the idea of a boogeyman out there, and look what happened. In the Rugrats All Grown Up movie Interview With a Campfire (yes, I watch that show), Lil said that in the movies, the unbelievers are always the first to go. I guess she was right, although not being into horror movies, I wouldn't know.
It is true that everyone there would know a thing or two about a realistic-looking body, but I would think that if Conan had a chance to examine the body he'd know if it was fake or not. They might be good at makeup, faking stuff, but good enough to fool Conan? Which makes me think he didn't have a chance; he was with the film guys and they probably didn't permit it. Besides, he was as freaked out as everyone else.
Thanks for the answer on what they did with the body. I had wondered that myself, thinking maybe they brought it back in the house. Of course, if they had, and it had been a fake...
Michel was being awfully calm there; cold even. And what were they thinking, dispersing to their rooms to be picked off one by one? If no one else, the scared Felix should have insisted on it. Or Rachel or certainly Conan; they would certainly have enough sense to know about safety in numbers.
Why would Jessica leave her slippers at the house anyway? I know it's Japanese custom to remove the shoes inside the house, but outside? Why go out in her bare feet, in the rain?
That bedroom thing was the epitome of kawaii. At first, Conan and Rachel were in twin beds, kind of a Ricky & Lucy thing going on there if you ask me, but you didn't hear that from me. And then when she came over to his bed, and he was still thinking about the case! I was thinking, um, Conan, Rachel is in bed with you, what are you thinking? Then it finally sunk in with him and, EHHHH?!?!? How DID he get any sleep?
That scene of his ankle twisting / breaking not only sounded real, it looked real. His foot went in a direction in which a foot should not go. It wasn't as bad as Tim Krumrie's broken ankle on the first play of Super Bowl XXII (or was it XXIII?), but still.
The main reason Felix has been dis-counted - when he has been - is that the face is all wrong. I realize that Angie is the make-up artist among them, but they were all in film school together; how hard can it be to learn makeup? How hard could it be to apply rubber, insert special cushions in the mouth to change the contours of the face (I saw it once in Little Orphan Annie), etc.? Besides, who would be the one most likely to work with, well, the clue to tonight's episode? Fat suit? Maybe; Rachel saw him from the back, although that wouldn't factor in as again the killer had been seen from the very beginning, as they were arriving.
It's been said that Randall couldn't be the killer because of the nose. I dunno, it looked to me like he was the only one whose eyes and nose matched that of the killer, other than Jessica.
And speaking of Jessica, compare her eyes with the eyes of 'Jessica' nabbed by the killer. I guess it's possible that when someone's in that situation the eyes widen. All the same, based on that I wouldn't rule out anyone but Michel, even Angie, whose eyes we never really see.
I had considered Angie as a suspect, but had disqualified her, chiefly because she is Serena's sister. Serena coming to be a semi-regular, I just can't see her with a killer sister. Well, not that type of killer, anyway.
Blair Witch-type project, now that you mention it... But I just checked my I Love the '90's index, and that movie didn't come out until '99; wasn't this point in the series 2 or 3 years before that? Well, that's not saying it couldn't happen; maybe someone at BWP is a fan of DC.
About Michel / Michelle being a female, you want to ask Rachel about that? Maybe she saw proof one way or the other; she was in the line of sight so we can't be sure, can we? And he was quite calm; why if he was trying to keep his / her true gender a secret? And wouldn't his friends from film school know? Wait, maybe Emily found out and...
Um, how is Serena the star of the two sisters? She's not even in films at all, is she? Wait, what DOES she do?
* sigh * , that Blair Witch theory is looking better all the time. Do we have conclusive proof that Jessica actually died? Or Emily, for that matter? Why mention Emily at all? Why would the suspects all go off out of the house like that? Why would there be someone straight out of Friday the 13th? Why's Randall filming everything? Why did Jessica point out that 'this isn't the movies'? Why does Felix freak out, and why does he look so much like Flounder? Why do they do what anyone who knows anything about horror movies would know not to do? Could the axe marks be intended to throw us off, making us think that only a woman would have wielded it, when really it could have been a guy intentionally making multiple whacks to make folks think it took more than it actually did? Do we really know how heavy that axe was? Why go after Rachel when she didn't know any of them from Adam (or Eve) before this occasion? And with Serena being the only one to know the lay of the house, could she be in on it? Or is she the only one to know the lay of the house? Is it really her sister's house? * sigh * , that Blair Witch theory is looking better all the time...

[see201]

Um, how is Serena the star of the two sisters? She's not even in films at all, is she? Wait, what DOES she do?
Serena is Rachel's high-school classmate.

[NeueZielZeon]

As intriguing as the idea of Felix wearing a prosthetic fat suit is, I'd have to say this particular hypothesis has already been proven otherwise. If you recall the scene in which Ran walked in on all of the male suspects in their dressing rooms, you'd notice that one of the people she sees dressing was Felix, and (with the assistance of one of Sampo's screencaps) Felix is indeed fat. So there's not really any chance that he can be the killer himself, unless he was in cahoots with the makeup artist (perhaps if she was able able to make him look genuinely fat).

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/Racheloopsx3.jpg

Though I really wish I resisted the urge to look into the Conan review threads until after the episode airs, as I always enjoy figuring out the case for myself much more.

[Daizaburo Estes]

Just dropped by to make a quick post about this silly image I just made.

Oh yeah, read right to left.

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/comic.jpg

Sorry about the fonts, it looked good at first. But when I resized the image the fonts became a little hard to read :sweat: I will fix it later and most likely move the image to another website cuz its pretty big...

Later :)
GREATEST. POST. EVER. :D

[Dark Soul]

Holy s**t that episode scared the life out of me. No Richard score gone for now about three episodes. That part when they found body parts was scary. For some strange reason I think its Emily if I'm wrong either be Serena's sister .Well I'm not gonna rate the episode until this two parter is over

[tucsoncoyote]

>>Didn't Rachel see all of them naked? Unless Michell had a sex change, I think it's a guy. Besides, these are all FUNi dub names.


That mgiht be True Prince Valmont, but I bet you have never seen Robotech either from the mid 1980's. They had a Character in that show (Lancer who was really a guy, who always played a singer called "Yellow Dancer" and that the guy portrayed a girl.

I am however saying what if Rachel did walk in and indeed saw a Male, but if you look at the shots perhaps at one time he (Michel) could have been a Girl! (Michelle).

Also since the Killer has what I like to call. A nasty Downward swing (in both attacks on Rachel) another possibility could be a rather strong woman. (and sure if you look you have to discount Serena, (who was outside the door at the end of the episode and Jessica (who could be DEAD and in the Ravine..) so who does that leave Hmmmm???
(and I'm still this morning sticking with my guns..It's Angie...)

:coyote:

[Daizaburo Estes]

Wait, lostrune, you positively sure there wasn't a digital edit in last nights ep?

Would you mind checking the very end of the scene in which Rachel, Serena, and Conan discover the slipper? It's like near the last few seconds in which we get a frontal view of Conan, etc. It looked a little bit shakey and...ehh...."digital-ey" to me. Thanks...

[Chris Sanders MSX]

My probably completely wrong theory!

Like Anime 51 just above me, I wonder if the "killer" is Emily.

Note "killer" in quotes. Nobody's been killed. It's all just a "Blair Witch" style horror film they're making, with Rachel, Serena and Conan as unwitting participants. Note how Randall is always taping, even at the dinner table. What's he taping for? The fight at the dinner table, Angie's tale to Conan, all of that was made up and acted. Note how the killer doesn't REALLY try to kill Rachel. He brings down that axe very deliberately, giving her easily enough time to dodge out of the way (or for Conan to knock her out of the way). When she's still sleeping after being kicked out of the way, does the killer immediately get her with the axe? No, he just kind of stands there until Conan wakes her up, then stands there menacingly, then flees when Serena pounds on the door (oh, and hey, it's Serena who's worried, because she's not in on this). Why would the killer flee when he hears Serena pounding on the door? He has more than enough time to kill Rachel AND Conan AND escape... the answer: because it's not real. :D
This could work but it would require the camera guy to be around at the time of the last murder attempt on Rachael.

[Eddy]

I thought also crossed my mind that Jessica isn't really dead and that her death was staged. I can't wait for the conclusion.

Either way, this is certainly a creepy episode of Conan.

[bobcat]

Great episode! My guess is that several of the old gang are in this together to get revenge for the dead girl and that this reunion was somehow a way to get revenge on the person they feel is responsible. My gut instinct says that Jessica really isn't dead and she is directing the whole thing. The reason the bandaged guy is after Rachel is because she saw something incriminating when she walked in on the guys while they were dressing.

[lostrune]

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The victim tonight. I highly doubt she's the killer. Perhaps she snuck out because the letter she received threatened blackmail. Blackmail for the murder of Emily. If you remember the flashback (Sampo, do you have a capture of this) of Emily's hanging corpse, I think that girl (the dismembered victim) was the only one missing from the flashback of the death scene.
Yup sure here you go. Small pan of the scene. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/hanging.jpg)

In the picture, everyone of the film club is there. No one is missing. :p



Here is another shot (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/murderer.jpg) of the murderer carrying Jessica away.

Here are various body parts of Jessica (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/bodyparts.jpg) :sweat:

Psst! Notice the choker! ;)

BTW, Sampo, did you just delete a message?
Anyhow, back to this dining room scene (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/meal.jpg), ever consider in the Love Boat 2-parter, the time-delaying device? And who was left to clean it up? ;)


Wait, lostrune, you positively sure there wasn't a digital edit in last nights ep?

Would you mind checking the very end of the scene in which Rachel, Serena, and Conan discover the slipper? It's like near the last few seconds in which we get a frontal view of Conan, etc. It looked a little bit shakey and...ehh...."digital-ey" to me. Thanks...

I don't remember any, though like I mentioned before, I'm not that meticulous. Besides, I don't think there's anything in that scene that needs editing to solve the mystery. :)



My probably completely wrong theory!

Like Anime 51 just above me, I wonder if the "killer" is Emily.

Note "killer" in quotes. Nobody's been killed. It's all just a "Blair Witch" style horror film they're making, with Rachel, Serena and Conan as unwitting participants. Note how Randall is always taping, even at the dinner table....
Why would the killer flee when he hears Serena pounding on the door? He has more than enough time to kill Rachel AND Conan AND escape... the answer: because it's not real. :D
This could work but it would require the camera guy to be around at the time of the last murder attempt on Rachael.

Ppppppppppppppp................eeping? ;)

[Sampo]

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There were also a ton of cute moments in the show, making it extra-enjoyable, like the jealousy thing with Serena and Jimmy... As well as the bed and whatnot. ;) Can't wait 'till tonight. o_x
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Excellent joint flame-age there with Serena and Conan both being jealous of Michel and Rachel.
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LOL, yeah I especially liked that scene when Conan and Serena were so fired up (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/conan%20and%20serena.jpg) watching Rachel and Michel leave the villa together. :D

I just want to point something out after reading some posts. The room that Rachel and Conan were sleeping in was locked up tight. Here is a shot of Rachel locking the windows (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/locked1.jpg) and here is another of Serena trying to get into (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/locked2.jpg) the room when Rachel screamed. So how did the mummy gain access into the room? Hmm...

I don't know how effective it is to compare eyes and noses. After all, couldn't someone wear a mask? How about make-up? Or perhaps in this series they don't pay too much attention to matching eyes and noses, as that would make it too easy for people to guess who the killer is, so instead they just make the killer look as creepy as possible...

Something to think about...:DAye I thought that Felix would be the one at first using mask or makeup to look different. Although he is a set designer not a make-up artist. So Angie must have something to do with this. *shrug* Hehe dunno. Thanks though, that is something to think about.


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Rachel's scared of lightning? Did Jimmy already know that? I mean, everyone should be scared of lightning, I fear lightning, but I don't freak out when I hear it and go screaming off running.
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I believe that Rachel used the lightning as an excuse to run away from Michel. :)


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Why would Jessica leave her slippers at the house anyway? I know it's Japanese custom to remove the shoes inside the house, but outside? Why go out in her bare feet, in the rain?
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Hmm, Jessica could have carried her shoes from the front entrance to the back door or she might have found another pair of shoes there she could use.


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* sigh * , that Blair Witch theory is looking better all the time. Do we have conclusive proof that Jessica actually died? Or Emily, for that matter? Why mention Emily at all? Why would the suspects all go off out of the house like that? Why would there be someone straight out of Friday the 13th? Why's Randall filming everything? Why did Jessica point out that 'this isn't the movies'?...
Yeah this could be all fake and a big prank. Couple of problems though. That masked guy is really out to get Rachel and that is some serious acting going on there. If Conan didn't kick Rachel out of the way (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/bed.jpg)... During that struggle, Conan did get hurt kinda bad. That was a nasty sound his ankle made. If Randall is filming all this, I don't think he was filming when they found Jessica's body parts.


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OK, in the northern hemisphere beyond the tropics (the sun only "moves" between the latitudes of Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn), the sun will always be just a bit south (never exactly east, west, or above/apex). So, in the afternoon (when the map assumes the treasure-hunter will reach the Double-Headed Arrow), the sun would be about South-West. Thus, if you make 3 o'clock SW, then South would be about 1:30. And you can figure out the rest.
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Actually, believe it or not, in the original Japanese, the announcer tries to say that line in proper English (albeit with an accent). Ergo, "Next Conan Hiiiiint!" :D
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Arg, I forgot to thank you for clearing that thing about the watch and the "Next Conan HIiiiiinnnttt!!" :D

Ok I think I now understand how that watch thing works. So off I go.

*Sampo busts out his trusty digital watch and heads outside trying to head west to get some brunch*


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BTW, Sampo, did you just delete a message?
Anyhow, back to this dining room scene (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/meal.jpg), ever consider in the Love Boat 2-parter, the time-delaying device? And who was left to clean it up? ;)
Yeah it didn't sound right, so I nuked it. :sweat:


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Ppppppppppppppp................eeping? ;)LOL!!! :D

[edit]

Hmm, I just watched the episode again... It's interesting. When that mummy person attack Rachel, once in the woods and the other in the bedroom, the murderer fled when Serena show up.

[Kinel Ozoa]

Don't worry. Less than three hours, fifteen minutes 'till... (http://www.angelfire.com/film/spidey2099animatedhq/images/RanShishtemplate)Between you and Sampo my side REALLY hurts now!

Just dropped by to make a quick post about this silly image I just made.

Oh yeah, read right to left.

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/comic.jpg

Sorry about the fonts, it looked good at first. But when I resized the image the fonts became a little hard to read :sweat: I will fix it later and most likely move the image to another website cuz its pretty big...

Later :)It's funniest to me when I read it in my head and their both talking really really fast! Kinda like that episode of clerks! :D

Onto the episode...I can't seem to get a good grasp on it. Plus anything I do have has been said and repeated, what I get for taping it and watching it at 9 this morning. But what's more repeating hurt anyone?

I got the idea of the whole "blair witch" side but with Conan's injury you'd think it would get to the point where it's just to real. Our Shishio cosplayer WAS the one who threw him after all, if there was no intention to really hurt anyone I assume he/she would have held back and threw him back on the bed or something, not against the bed post.

Something odd to me but probably just a glitch in my mind, I could have sworn the room Jessica went into when she found the note was the one Rechel and Connan resided in, at the end of the hall and all. Like I said, probably just my mistake but what if, just what if that note wasn't for Jessica?

The whole dummy thing doesn't check out to well because of there being parts cut off, I would think it would be easy to tell if it were a fake or not unless someone had ALOT of time on their hands.. or if they had Gein from Rurouni Kenshin make em somethin, but we already have the shishio connection, might as well not make another. :anime:

I love these 2 parters, you get a whole day, or somethimes a whole weekend to just think about it and just let it set in. Really lets you explore all possibilaties.

[JDNobodi]

AAHHGG. This one mystery is bugging me. My main suspect is Angie. After seeing the next ep preview, I know Conan going to use Serena to solve the case which would be really messed up. Angie is going to jail because of her sister.:eek:
After seeing this thread, I think Felix is somehow involved in this mystery because he is a set designer. That takes some susipicion away from Angie. I was thinking Angie because I don't recall seeing her when the killer went by the window with Jessica. I could be wrong. Would be nice to see some scene caps of everyone in the living room when the killer went by, but I won't be able to see the caps till tomorrow.

I hope I'm wrong about Angie.

[Prince Valmont]

In the character titles, I wonder why Jessica is the only one to have a last name featured...

[Elve]

Yay, the nasty brutal horrible violent episode! *^_^*

Here's the ugly ending, manga-style (Chikako = Jessica):

<-- read this way, start on the page to the right
http://www.mledesign.com/alice/eww.jpg

And Ran in her coma-like sleep:
<------ read this way, again
http://www.mledesign.com/alice/ergh.jpg

And is this not the cutest picture ever? ^_^:
http://www.mledesign.com/alice/aww.jpg
Ran giving Conan a piggyback ride because he sprained his ankle! :D

[Arxane]

When I first heard that Case Closed was coming to Adult Swim, I remembered reading this old strip (http://www.tsunamichannel.com/index.php?date=2002-05-22) waaaay back.

Now I can definitely see what they mean. Everywhere Conan goes, there's almost certainly a murder. Going to a photo shoot? A murder. Meeting your mother at a diner? A murder. Having a class reunion? A murder. Going on a cruise? A double murder! There is something very strange going on in Japan...

But anyway...after reading all of your hints and clues and theories and ideas...I've come to two conclusions: either this case is incredibly simple, or it's going to pull something out of nowhere in the second episode to throw us for a curveball. Either way, this will be an interesting episode tonight...

[Alph]

When I first heard that Case Closed was coming to Adult Swim, I remembered reading this old strip (http://www.tsunamichannel.com/index.php?date=2002-05-22) waaaay back.

Now I can definitely see what they mean. Everywhere Conan goes, there's almost certainly a murder. Going to a photo shoot? A murder. Meeting your mother at a diner? A murder. Having a class reunion? A murder. Going on a cruise? A double murder! There is something very strange going on in Japan...

I think that's how it is in all murder mysteries. I mean, My grandma watches "murder she wrote" and I commented on how someone around the main character always dies every episode.


Maybe the main character is in fact the murderer, and uses all these clever situations to throw us off!

[KaitouKappei]

For lostrune ... please delete some PM ^_^

Please remember these episodes originally aired in 1996 and were from 1994 in the manga (comic) before the anime... so Conan isn't copying/borrowing from Kenshin or the Blair Witch project.

Conan wouldn't have much to do if there weren't a murder everywhere he goes ^^ Population in Tokyo alone is ~30 million...

[HumanoidTyphoon]

it was Serena, from Monday's episode? I guess she and Rachel are friends, although this is only the second time I remember seeing her in this series. So Rachel did know her, just not the guy she was meeting.She's been in maybe 4 episodes. Conan darted her in the wedding episode, she was in the Valentine's episode I'm pretty sure there are other's. Seems she shows up to hook Rachel up with guys.

The whole time I was thinking it was a fake but thinking about the last scene with the killer in the room I'm not sure. If the guy picked up the body you think he would be able to tell if it's a dummy. Also I wonder if the killer that went by the window wasn't just a dummy rigged up by Felix. What exactly was he doing on the roof anyway I must of missed that.

[SamCurt]

Serena is Rachel's high-school classmate. I'm being sure that they've been classmates since elementary.

She's been in maybe 4 episodes. Conan darted her in the wedding episode, she was in the Valentine's episode I'm pretty sure there are other's Seems she shows up to hook Rachel up with guys. She again appeared on Monday.

[Patches]

Conan wouldn't have much to do if there weren't a murder everywhere he goes ^^ Population in Tokyo alone is ~30 million...That's another thing that weirds me out. For a nation its size, Japan has a darn low murder rate (something like maybe a couple hundred a year instead of tens of thousands like in the US). So, at this rate, Conan will have solved every single murder in Japan. ::nod nod::

[Wolfie~Giri]

Wayyy to scawwy!

I thought the porky guy would get killed..instead it's much worse and the clues are puzzling too...

1.eye through keywhole
2.piano strings

[Sampo]

Hehe first dumb plug for the second comic... uh thing I put together, this time Rachel VS Shishio. Both pics are located at this site with ads. (http://www.angelfire.com/anime5/sampo/Conan_vs_Shishio.htm)

Yay, the nasty brutal horrible violent episode! *^_^*
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And is this not the cutest picture ever? ^_^:
http://www.mledesign.com/alice/aww.jpg
Ran giving Conan a piggyback ride because he sprained his ankle! :DLOL, thanks for the great pics there Elve! Aye, that pic is cute.


...Also I wonder if the killer that went by the window wasn't just a dummy rigged up by Felix. What exactly was he doing on the roof anyway I must of missed that.Felix claimed that he was fixing the leaky roof.


...I was thinking Angie because I don't recall seeing her when the killer went by the window with Jessica. I could be wrong. Would be nice to see some scene caps of everyone in the living room when the killer went by, but I won't be able to see the caps till tomorrow.
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Eh? There is a screen cap of that and they were linked from lostrune's post. Here you go.


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Anyhow, back to this dining room scene (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/meal.jpg), ever consider in the Love Boat 2-parter, the time-delaying device? And who was left to clean it up? ;)
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Conan time in about 5 hours for me :sweat: Later all.

[lostrune]

But anyway...after reading all of your hints and clues and theories and ideas...I've come to two conclusions: either this case is incredibly simple, or it's going to pull something out of nowhere in the second episode to throw us for a curveball. Either way, this will be an interesting episode tonight...

It's both actually. :p

And I gotta say, since this is vague kinda like saying somebody won the PowerBall lottery without knowing their own numbers yet, a few of youz actually got this mystery correct, down to the who, how, and why. :)


For lostrune ... please delete some PM ^_^

Damn! I knew I'm gonna have to move my lazy ass some day and do some spring cleaning. And I was trying to postpone it as long as I can too! I'll get to it... soon.... :sweat:

[PaQ]

Nice pics Elve.. very cute picture of Conan & Rachel..

Anyway, I missed the part where they discovered Jessica, so I'm a bit behind on the guesswork.. but I was originally leaning towards everyone being in on it, except for Serena, Rachel and Conan.. like they were filming a movie on them, and trying to get realistic reactions.. but now... I'm not sure..
I think an easy guess would be Felix.. but then there has to be something to that friend that got killed 2 years ago, and that paper that Jessica picked up outside her room..
I dunno who the killer is, but I'm betting the guy that hit on Rachel was involved.. It's possible the killer wants him or something, or is jealous, and is knocking off all the women he's involved with?.. Of course that would mean he was with Jessica and the other girl.. because they saw him with Rachel.. Ugh I dunno.. I'm really lost..
It was a good episode nonetheless.. "Mountain Villa Murder Part 1" gets an A.

[CaptainRed]

Gah... I wanted to get in responses before the next episode aired... oh well. Just some theorising then.

I see two major possibilities: murder and no murder.

This is a group of filmmakers. The possibility exists that everything that's gone on is simply part of the movie. I don't particularly hold with this opinion, however, and would be rather pissed at the show if this turns out to be true.

If, as I believe, it is a murder, then my money is on Angie. She knows the house better than anyone, is, as has been said, a make-up artist, and is of the right body type. The clincher for me is that the two times shishio has attacked, he's retreated upon seeing or hearing Cynthia — not Conan, Cynthia. Conan was present at the second attack on Rachel, and busted in on the first one. During the second attack, shishio first looked at Conan and turned to Rachel, and then threw Conan aside and went for Rachel again. Shishio ran off when Cynthia started yelling and banging on the door. During the first attack, Conan leapt into the clearing, but shishio remained. Then Cynthia appeared, and shishio left.

Angie had the most time and opportunity(apart from Felix) leading up to the first attack to get into costume. Michel disappeared after Rachel ran off, giving him very little time to get into costume(bandages being the most time consuming item.

Then there's hair. Michel's hair is long and totally unrestrained. It would take a bit longer to get it tied up well. Angie's is mostly tied up already.

So far as the cadaver goes, I say that Jesse was killed and left in the woods a decent amount of time before the run by the window. Also, I agree with the hypothesis that the run-by was some kind of a setup from up above. It looks to me like there was a balcony up there. My guess is that Angie's room has an exit onto that balcony, so that she could easily set something up to swing by. Furthermore, since she's a makeup artist, she's fairly likely to have some busts amongst her equipment. As nothing more than the heads was seen, my guess is that they were all that there was.

(unless, of course, that little voice in my head is right and the balcony is on the opposite side)

Still, this seems like a somewhat elaborate trick for her. I can see why Felix has so many fans. I wouldn't totally rule out the two of them as a team.


I think my two favorite parts of the episode were with Cynthia and Conan. First with the pan up of the two of them with fire behind, and then with the "exactly... not exactly" bit. The show just seems to keep getting better and better though. :¬)

*honks hugs and whatever else*
Cappy "almost read everything in the thread" Red

[Spidey2099]

Can't talk, show's on. (http://www.angelfire.com/film/spidey2099animatedhq/images/RanvsShishio)

[Chris Sanders MSX]

wow.. How the? But his nose.. and I-I-I !!!:eek:

[Chris Sanders MSX]

Felix is psycho. I mean justice could easily be servered but he chopped up the friggin girls body. Wow.

The nose on the mask didn't fit Felix but this was such a great set of episodes I'll overlook it. ;) Hahaha..

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Best Episode Yet. The ending was hilarious too, with Serena taking credit for everything. The case was tough to crack, I got some parts, but was way off on others. Man Feliz was a freakin' psycho.

A++

[PaQ]

wow.. I really shouldn't have overlooked Felix.. he looked just too obvious, and I figured the only way he'd be the killer was if Rachel had seen that he wasn't actually fat.. and that's what happened!

LOL. Serena seems to be just like Richard, never afraid to get praised... :D

[NeueZielZeon]

Well, the main reason that Felix had cut up the body was for easy transport to the fake crime scene. Though one must wonder how he had created the illusion of being fat before the murder had taken place. As he held the head under his shirt, he most likely had to create the illusion that the victim was hacked to bits if the head was already detatched. The question that remains is how the other body parts were transported to the fake murder scene. The only really applicable explanation is that Felix planted the body parts there earlier, but I can't seem to recall if the victim had left the group for a large amount of time for Felix to have done that.

Anyways, this episode proved exactly why I'm not fit at all to be a detective. :sweat: Going back to my previous post in the thread in which I stated that Felix was indeed fat, I was wrong on so many levels.

Although, my idea of the killer was always Felix to a point, considering he was the only one on the second floor when the dummy killer had flew past the window. I just thought he could have ran off for a second, put on the costume, and climbed down the balcony or something past the window. It completely goes against my "Felix is indeed fat" theory, but it seemed to be the only reasonable hypothesis unless more than a single person was involved in the murder - or it was staged, like many members here had previously thought.

Though one might wonder if it was indeed an animation or continuity error when in the flashback to the suicide, which was two years ago, Felix still looked exactly the same as he did at the present time (ie: being fat). Why would anyone think Felix's weight was strange when he had already been fat for two years? The only other explanation is that he was fat, became skinnier over the course of the two years, and his peers may have found it odd that he became fat again.

[Sanwich]

Whoot! For once, I actually solved the entire case before the airing of Part Two. n_n The only thing I didn't think of was Felix hiding the head under his shirt (ewwww), but otherwise I was pretty on-target. Yay. ;)

Personally, this was my favorite two-parter so far. Not only was there an interesting mystery, but a decent amount of character interaction and cute/funny scenes as well. :)

And it's late, so I'm going to bed. c_c

[Prince Valmont]

... a dummy head... go figure.

But what was up with the first clue? (Peep hole)

HA HA HA HA!! Felix is the culprit! Theory 1 was half correct. It wasn't prosthetic fat, but only the evil costume.

The thing I hate is that sometimes, they just don't give you enough information to solve. Luckily someone got the motive write about the script-stealing..

I seriously cannot wait until the next brain-teaser.. Anyone know when that will be?

And finally: Why is Serena's voice on Conan's bowtie? That's just a tad bit odd.

[JetMaster5]

Crazy. I should've known it was Felix. I was tied between Angie and Felix and I thought it was Angie because of the body weight and her profession, while Felix only had the profession of using piano wires for set-designer. I had no idea that Felix wasn't fat. Darn it! Almost figured it out!:mad:

[Perfect Cell]

Certainly suprised me, i guess the set director thing fits, but his face was still fat, even if his body wasnt... Good episode.

[Anime Freak]

:eek: Never thought of it being Felix mainly because I recall Felix looking the same in the flashback of Emily's death, but still a good eppy. Quite clever of Felix, just too bad that one truth always prevails! By the way, if the phone was down and the bridge was down then how'd they get off?

[Rabi~en~Rose]

detective usada solved the case as soon as Conan said the killer was medium sized weight :) another good two part episode and the end with Serena ripping off Jimmy was to funny!

[PickHut]

Yes! I was right:D ! That was fun to figure out, I figured it could've been him cause all the clues in part 1 kept pointing back to him. This was another great 2 parter, and a very well thought out case. Serena taking Conan's credit at the end was funny, she's just as bad as Richard x_X.

I give Mountain Villa Murder Part 2 an A, and the overall 2 parter an A+.

[tucsoncoyote]

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The thing I hate is that sometimes, they just don't give you enough information to solve. Luckily someone got the motive write about the script-stealing..
Right MO eh? Told ya it was someone Stealing Emily's Script and it was jessie. (now I've not see the case (yet) as it is only 10:40 PM here but I had a Hunch it wwas a case of Emily killing herself because Jessie Stole HER script..go back to my initial post about 3 pages back.. )

so at least the motive I Hypothesized was correct.

so you win some, you lose some.. (it's like a game of Clue.. you don't know the Killer, but you do know the weapon and the room it was done).

[KaitouKappei]

And finally: Why is Serena's voice on Conan's bowtie? That's just a tad bit odd.

No, not really. Conan can mimic ANY voice with the bowtie.

[Yash]

No, not really. Conan can mimic ANY voice with the bowtie.
Yeah, all he has to do is IMPOSSIBLY adjust it right with no mistakes to successfully mimic the person's voice. You know, I hope that in one of his future "knock out Richard, imitate voice" cases, he accidentally switches to a really high-pitched girlish voice :D (but he probably won't, seeing as how he's done it so damn much)

[Prince Valmont]

No, not really. Conan can mimic ANY voice with the bowtie.
I remember several several episodes back, while he was using the bowtie, he mentioned someone's voice (presumably Richard's) on something like #15..
I thought the voices were pre-encoded on this bowtie, which led me to wonder why Serena's was encoded on his bowtie.

[shogunthethird]

wow....Serena's an IDIOT! speaking of which, Ironic isn't it that she steals "one truth previals" when this whole motive was about jealousy? funny how it's almost never the bishonen who's the killer (and yet almost always the victim) still I kind of figured the two grooves were caused by piano wire (thanks to the hint) and I kind of pieced together that piano wire had to be used to hang some kind of special effect when they mentioned it although I though I did suspect the SFX guy with the wire but the whole "girth" thing kind of threw me until they revealed he wasn't really fat (I thought it may have been someone else working with him or some other kind of mechanical gimmick

[Tapout]

Man, I called it any you guys made me doubt myself. Thanks a lot. :)

[Mr. Pedro]

And here I was, convinced that the whole thing was a farce. :rolleyes:

Anywho, a solid two-parter. Some sick stuff, balanced out with some rather funny moments. Serena explaining the whole case feels as natural as a hot-lead colonic, but somebody had to take the dart, and the scene seemed to work really well. Conan was really brutal to Felix near the end, but I suppose the nut deserved it.

Grade: B+

[lostrune]

So I Married an Axe Murderer:

1. BTW, I have a bit of confession to make. Most of those film clubmembers are actually no longer involved with film-making anymore - they now work other jobs. But the dub didn't put it in the "blue boxes of doom," and I didn't want to ruin the wild speculations, so I just kept my mouth shut. :p

2. Heh, for rich people, Serena's family doesn't have a backup electricity-generator deep in the woods? :confused:

3. Ah, too bad. Rachel could've been the one to play detective. I'm sure Conan would enjoy knocking her up, I mean, out. :D

4. Thus, as I proposed yesterday, the "body" may have been a puppet - and it was! The body of the axe hooded mummy, that is! (Not Jessica's dead body.) :p

5. The original title of the script was "Sky-Colored Country," but Jessica did rename it "Blue Kingdom." Similar titles. :cool:

6. Y'know, Serena would've been in big trouble if Felix decided to kill everyone else. Serena was just slumped there on the table with her back wide open for stabbing. Lucky for Conan; it would've been his fault. :sweat:

7. Heh, Serena is just a glory hog. :rolleyes:
Sorry, I mean, "The Great Detective" Serena. :sweat: :D


So, up to when are new Case Closed eps scheduled again?
Because I'll be gone on a Florida vacation for a couple weeks starting middle next week. So ya guys gonna be on your own then. :p



Though one might wonder if it was indeed an animation or continuity error when in the flashback to the suicide, which was two years ago, Felix still looked exactly the same as he did at the present time (ie: being fat). Why would anyone think Felix's weight was strange when he had already been fat for two years? The only other explanation is that he was fat, became skinnier over the course of the two years, and his peers may have found it odd that he became fat again.

They haven't seen each other for 2 years. Felix wasn't that fat then. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/hanging.jpg)



But what was up with the first clue? (Peep hole)

"Peeping" actually. Rachel was. ;)



And finally: Why is Serena's voice on Conan's bowtie? That's just a tad bit odd.

If the Doc and Conan are gonna be putting voices into the bowtie, they'd be putting the voices they know from people around them. That's just practical. :shrug:


By the way, if the phone was down and the bridge was down then how'd they get off?

Probably took a longer scenic route - there always is. Besides, the dub also forgot to mention that there is a 3rd neighbor house, on their same side of the ravine even, but at the other side of the mountain. :D

[PaQ]

6. Y'know, Serena would've been in big trouble if Felix decided to kill everyone else. Serena was just slumped there on the table with her back wide open for stabbing. Lucky for Conan; it would've been his fault. :sweat:I agree with you there.. In fact, I'm always thinking that myself whenever Conan knocks out Serena or Richard.. What if the revealed killer went nuts and didn't want to give in.. I mean who there is gonna stop them? Especially in this episode, Conan had a messed up ankle so no kicky, and I doubt the others would've stopped a knife.. Maybe Rachel with her judo.. but still that's taking a chance.. We also came close when that samurai guy swung at Richard a few weeks back and got Richard to bleed .. That was hilarious.. yet.. frightening.. at least for Richard and Conan it was.. :anime:

[Gruntling]

Excellent, excellent case. By far this was the most clever and most gruesome murder and series of events I've seen for Conan. The way how Felix executed the murder of Jessica was pure genius and very believable. I loved this episode, and I will go as far as to say it has been the best in this series. I had actually ruled out Felix because he was fat, and I wasn't thinking he was wearing a prostetic. It all adds up considering he was on the roof all the time. Clever and brilliant!

I give Mountain Villa Murder Part II a well-deserved A+!

[tucsoncoyote]

After seeing tonight's episode of Mountain Villain Murder mystery I'm right now batting 2 for 4 or roughtly 1/2 of the 2 parters correctly..(* and what about the 2 at the end)? Easy that because I got either the motive right and the killer wrong or Vice Versa...

So Felix was the murderer..(now that I look at this in retrospect (what I like to call 20 20 hindsight) Felix was the only one who really could have really pulled it off, but Like Conan figured, Felix Made mistakes..

One of the Mistakes that Felix made, was of course Carrying the Head.. (he had stashed the rest of the body out in the open (I would have opted for the Ravine!)

but True to form I figured that the Suicide of Emily was of course indeed because of Jessica stealing her script (that Part I pegged square on the nose)
but ah Poor Felix he wasn't a psycho guys, he was just a guy who probably cared about Emily and after Jessica stole that script, and Emily hung herself, Felix just snapped and probably decided to expose Jessica for who she was.. a lout..

of course it's sad Really that Jessica could have avoided all of this if she hadn't committed the Crime of Theft.. after which Felix's Killing her would have been not needed.. and instead of 2 Dead Bodies (Emily and Jessica) and Felix going to jail to think about this. I think Conan's / Jimmy's observation was really spot on and I loved how said it best...

Case Closed.....

Overall The Grade on The Mountain Villa Murder Mystery (parts 1 and 2) I give an A+ , as this one really left you wondering.. who really did it..and now that the truth be told.. well in about 2 weeks time, hopefully I can break this losing streak.. and get back on track.

:coyote:

[bigddan11]

Well, this seemed to be Serena week on Case Closed. She actually appeared on every episode this week, and the were defintley better than last weeks were. A give the average an A-. Here's the VA's for the week:

Murder At The Local Diner:
Julie Mayfield
Vic Mignogna
Troy Baker
Justin Pate
Lydia Mackay
Ed Blaylock
Melodee Lenz
Jay Jones
Ethan Norris
Chris Cason
Chris Bevins
Brad Jackson

A Hunting We Will Go:
Andrew Chandler- Robber
Mike McFarland- Robber

Mountain Villa Murder Part 1 & 2:
Cynthia Cranz
Andrew Chandler
Mike McFarland
Monica Rial
Greg Ayres

Also listed on additional all week was Laura Bailey. She does voice Serena.

[Elve]

I seriously cannot wait until the next brain-teaser.. Anyone know when that will be? Hmm... next week's episodes all sort of suck, except for the first part of the two-parter beginning Thursday. ^_^; But the week after that has some really great episodes... in which

Conan gets kidnapped! :D Best episode in the series!
There's also an incredibly sad case that week too... perhaps the most tragic in the series. Anyways, something to look forward too. :)

Nasty, uncensored manga snip of the day:
<-- read this way, as always (Atsuko= Emily, Takashi = Felix)
http://www.mledesign.com/alice/uncensored.jpg

Wheee. :)

[Duke]

Stupid question: If Felix was skinny, how'd he get his fat face? It takes long enough to attach skin and make it look real when you have 2 or 3 people doing it, but by yourself must take a while, and then you have to worry about it not accidentally falling off or anything. Plot hole maybe? :shrug:

[SamCurt]

Stupid question: If Felix was skinny, how'd he get his fat face? He wasn't skinny after all; he's still overweight but just don't have that protruding tummy.

[Duke]

He wasn't skinny after all; he's still overweight but just don't have that protruding tummy.
But he'd still need fake skin to get his face that pudgy. His head is mis-proportioned with the rest of his body after he got rid of his "fat."

[Nftnat]

Well, another case closed. The theory I was pulling for, Blari Witch, turned out to not be the case; ditto for the other main suspect, Angie (although I didn't think it would turn out to be Serena's sister). It was Felix all along. Now to tie up any loose ends that haven't already been tied up (though not with piano wire, thank you; I use them to make music).
We see in the flashback that Felix was kind of fat then too. Maybe not as fat as he makes himself out to be; he did say he'd added 50 pounds since college. As part of his twisted plan for revenge on Jessica, he probably got himself into the best shape possible. Fooling the others? Easy; as this was a reunion, the crew had probably split up since college. Of course the entertainment community is tight and word gets back to you on how friends of friends are doing, but really, who pays that much attention to the set designer? As for the face fat, other than having learned how to simulate it in cribbing make-up tips from those who know, I believe I've read somewhere that the face is the last place you lose weight. Of course, I could be wrong.
We - including I - were wrong; Rachel hadn't been targeted from before the beginning. The prime target was Jessica, and Rachel was added to the list of one when she saw something she shouldn't have. It had nothing to do with Richard at all, with the possible exception of Serena channeling him at the end.
The note Jessica got set up the murderous meeting. She said she'd get some sleep - she was right btw, in the permanent sense - snuck out the back way, and had her fatal meeting with Felix. He killed her, dismembered her, and brought the head back with him, all the time he was supposedly on the roof working. He was working, all right. One thing, though; fixing the roof wasn't Felix's idea iirc. I wonder how he set that up.
Serena's family (it was the family villa, was it?) might have had a back-up generator, or not; if they did it wasn't automatic. They have propane units in back, though I'm thinking the sisters weren't really thinking straight at the time.
Richard's voice on the bowtie was #15? I thought it was much higher than that, 50-something, 60-something, whatever. With so many possible voices Jimmy and Dr. Agasa probably programmed in everyone they knew, even distantly. Let's see, Jimmy, Dr. Agasa, Rachel, Richard, the three JDL colleagues, I guess we'll have to include Serena now, Rachel's other friends, all of that probably doesn't even add up to 15.
It would have been interesting for Rachel to have been knocked out (very funny, knocked up) and for Jimmy / Conan to speak through her, but she would have asked too many questions afterwards and wouldn't have been shaken in pursuing the truth. But getting Serena instead did strain my credulity just a bit. 'Just hit me like a ton of bricks', indeed.
And unless the villa was bordered on all other sides by water er sum junk, there's always another way out. Like someone else said, they took the scenic route.
Now that we've put another case to bed, who were the guest names in the original dub? So far we have Chikako as Jessica, Atsuko as Emily, and Takahashi as Felix. And I guess I'd have to add Cynthia as Serena, although neither of those names is any more or less Japanese or English than the other. So what were the original names for Angie, Michel, and Randall? Just curious.

[SamCurt]

Fooling the others? Easy; as this was a reunion, the crew had probably split up since college. Of course the entertainment community is tight and word gets back to you on how friends of friends are doing, but really, who pays that much attention to the set designer?
As Lostrune has noted, the dub forgot to put what job they're doing now. Actually, Angie is a grad student, Michel is a car selling representative, Randall is an editor for a movie magazine, and Felix working in thw food industry.

Now that we've put another case to bed, who were the guest names in the original dub? So far we have Chikako as Jessica, Atsuko as Emily, and Takahashi as Felix. And I guess I'd have to add Cynthia as Serena, although neither of those names is any more or less Japanese or English than the other. So what were the original names for Angie, Michel, and Randall? Just curious.
Sonoko for Serena, Ayako as Angie, and Hiroki for Randall.

[Elve]

Now that we've put another case to bed, who were the guest names in the original dub? So far we have Chikako as Jessica, Atsuko as Emily, and Takahashi as Felix. And I guess I'd have to add Cynthia as Serena, although neither of those names is any more or less Japanese or English than the other. So what were the original names for Angie, Michel, and Randall? Just curious. Here you go :):
<-- read this way, starting on page to the right.
http://www.mledesign.com/alice/people.jpg
Names are [last name, first name]. :) Notice that all the people are no longer involved in film that much, which the dubbed version failed to note.

[CaptainRed]

If, as I believe, it is a murder, then my money is on Angie. She knows the house better than anyone, is, as has been said, a make-up artist, and is of the right body type. The clincher for me is that the two times shishio has attacked, he's retreated upon seeing or hearing Cynthia — not Conan, Cynthia.

Well, I'm broke again... and who the hell is Cynthia?!?!? :o

Gah... I wanted to get in responses before the next episode aired... oh well. Just some theorising then.

After the massive failure of the deductions in my last post, I'm going to switch the responses I had planned with a few since the second episode airred.(apart from thanking Sampo for getting that pan of Serena and Conan with the flames. Thank you Sampo! :¬) Rather silly responding to a three day old post about a four day old episode. :¬}

Well, the main reason that Felix had cut up the body was for easy transport to the fake crime scene. Though one must wonder how he had created the illusion of being fat before the murder had taken place. As he held the head under his shirt, he most likely had to create the illusion that the victim was hacked to bits if the head was already detatched. The question that remains is how the other body parts were transported to the fake murder scene. The only really applicable explanation is that Felix planted the body parts there earlier, but I can't seem to recall if the victim had left the group for a large amount of time for Felix to have done that.

Jessica left the group to go into her room earlier, and then slipped out the back door at some undetermined time between then and dinner, more likely sooner than later. I think it is most likely that Jessica was killed where she was found, with her head being the only body part transported anywhere. However, if the dismemberment of the body was not purely out of anger, then it could have served the utilitarian purpose of making the body easier to carry(in several parts, across several trips).

As for Felix's illusion of greater weight, he was always wearing a baggy sweater, and underneath it, to maintain its shape, his mask, costume, and (presumably) weapon.

Though one might wonder if it was indeed an animation or continuity error when in the flashback to the suicide, which was two years ago, Felix still looked exactly the same as he did at the present time (ie: being fat). Why would anyone think Felix's weight was strange when he had already been fat for two years? The only other explanation is that he was fat, became skinnier over the course of the two years, and his peers may have found it odd that he became fat again.

That actually brings up the question of what we are seeing in those bits. Are they true flashbacks, in the sense that all the speaking character knows is included, or are they simulated flashbacks, created in the minds of the listeners who were not present. I... haven't been paying close enough attention to the other flashbacks up to this point to be able to say either way, but what with the way similar effects are used to show things that might have happened(e.g. shishio taking Jesse from her room) suggests that they might be the latter.

People don't tend to age or otherwise adjust other people in their thoughts as time passes by, especially when they have no point of reference for them in the first place. Therefore, if this is a flashback in the mind's eye of the unfamiliar listener, the people involved are not likely to be adjusted much at all. Plus, it was only two years.

Fudging does take place, though. The unfamiliar listener has no idea what Emily looked like. We don't know the layout of Jesse's room. A bit of fudging would be necessary to make them work.(can't have blank people or environments)

Certainly suprised me, i guess the set director thing fits, but his face was still fat, even if his body wasnt... Good episode.

If I have any problems with this episode(other than it showing me up so completely) it is that. It looks like he's carrying most of his body fat in his face. I donno... it's just... I think they over did the pudginess of his face. Maybe I'm just bitter.

Conan was really brutal to Felix near the end, but I suppose the nut deserved it.

What did Conan say that was wrong? Felix was a psychopath. His initial motivation for killing was revenge, but then(as if that weren't bad enough) he was ready to kill anyone who he felt a threat to finding him out.

So Felix was the murderer..(now that I look at this in retrospect (what I like to call 20 20 hindsight) Felix was the only one who really could have really pulled it off, but Like Conan figured, Felix Made mistakes..

One of the Mistakes that Felix made, was of course Carrying the Head.. (he had stashed the rest of the body out in the open (I would have opted for the Ravine!)

but True to form I figured that the Suicide of Emily was of course indeed because of Jessica stealing her script (that Part I pegged square on the nose)
but ah Poor Felix he wasn't a psycho guys, he was just a guy who probably cared about Emily and after Jessica stole that script, and Emily hung herself, Felix just snapped and probably decided to expose Jessica for who she was.. a lout..

of course it's sad Really that Jessica could have avoided all of this if she hadn't committed the Crime of Theft.. after which Felix's Killing her would have been not needed.. and instead of 2 Dead Bodies (Emily and Jessica) and Felix going to jail to think about this. I think Conan's / Jimmy's observation was really spot on and I loved how said it best...

The ravine wasn't an option for Felix. Emily died publically, so he wanted Jesse to die publically. That's one of Felix's many oddities: he was horribly frightened of being found out, and yet in certain ways, he wanted to be found out.

Felix was a psycho. A normal person does not kill, chop up, and stage a dramatic display of another person. So you say that he snapped after Emily committed suicide. Why didn't anyone else become an axe murderer? Emily had more friends than just Felix, and she likely had some manner of family as well.

Furthermore, as reprehensible a person as Jessica was, she did not kill Emily. Emily killed herself. Suicide was not the only option available to her, so it's not like she was forced into the act by some elaborate movement of pawns. All Jessica did was steal her story.

Felix's murdering Jessica was in no way needed. Emily was an emotionally unstable person who made a wrong choice after being robbed. Felix was an emotionally unstable person who, though he did have two years to realize that fact and work to change, nevertheless carried out one murder, and thrice attempted another. Felix's was no crime of passion. There were no split second decisions involved. He calmly and coldly plotted and carried out Jessica's murder, and Jessica's being a reprehensible thief in no way ameliorates the evil act that he committed.


Gah... four days till the next episode... :¬(

*honks hugs and whatever else*
Cappy Red

[KaitouKappei]

Richard's voice on the bowtie was #15? I thought it was much higher than that, 50-something, 60-something, whatever. With so many possible voices Jimmy and Dr. Agasa probably programmed in everyone they knew, even distantly. Let's see, Jimmy, Dr. Agasa, Rachel, Richard, the three JDL colleagues, I guess we'll have to include Serena now, Rachel's other friends, all of that probably doesn't even add up to 15.

Uum, ok, I'm in Canada so I haven't seen the DUB ... so maybe it is in the dub as programmed into the bowtie but, well, they aren't. There's the 2 dials on the back of the bowtie... Conan just has to turn them to modulate his voice to any frequency higher to lower to his own in order to mimic whoever he wants to... the first time he used it, he did get Richard's voice a bit wrong... in the Japanese anyway... Richard, Serena, Jimmy, Agasa are the most common ones Conan mimics. Ok, I should say Conan can probably STORE settings for the common voices he uses, but the bowtie has not been PRE-programmed with only x number of voices.

[Nftnat]

Ah, Cap'n. I've been admiring your work and looking forward to a discussion since the first run of FLCL.

[QUOTE=CaptainRed]Well, I'm broke again... and who the hell is Cynthia?!?!? :o


A mistake, although it's not entirely my fault. Someone else called Serena Cynthia, so I thought that was her original name. As has since been pointed out, that was not the case as her original name was Sonoko.




Jessica left the group to go into her room earlier, and then slipped out the back door at some undetermined time between then and dinner, more likely sooner than later. I think it is most likely that Jessica was killed where she was found, with her head being the only body part transported anywhere. However, if the dismemberment of the body was not purely out of anger, then it could have served the utilitarian purpose of making the body easier to carry(in several parts, across several trips).

It might have been to disrespect Jessica, tossing her hither and yon. Felix really didn't like her.


That actually brings up the question of what we are seeing in those bits. Are they true flashbacks, in the sense that all the speaking character knows is included, or are they simulated flashbacks, created in the minds of the listeners who were not present. I... haven't been paying close enough attention to the other flashbacks up to this point to be able to say either way, but what with the way similar effects are used to show things that might have happened(e.g. shishio taking Jesse from her room) suggests that they might be the latter.

People don't tend to age or otherwise adjust other people in their thoughts as time passes by, especially when they have no point of reference for them in the first place. Therefore, if this is a flashback in the mind's eye of the unfamiliar listener, the people involved are not likely to be adjusted much at all. Plus, it was only two years.

Fudging does take place, though. The unfamiliar listener has no idea what Emily looked like. We don't know the layout of Jesse's room. A bit of fudging would be necessary to make them work.(can't have blank people or environments)

The way I think of it, if someone is telling their idea of what might have happened it should be taken as such; otherwise, things in flashbacks are shown as they actually happened.


What did Conan say that was wrong? Felix was a psychopath. His initial motivation for killing was revenge, but then(as if that weren't bad enough) he was ready to kill anyone who he felt a threat to finding him out.

It's an old story: the initial crime is overshadowed by the cover-up. Granted, one murder is as bad as another, but this was Rachel he was going after here!

The ravine wasn't an option for Felix. Emily died publically, so he wanted Jesse to die publically. That's one of Felix's many oddities: he was horribly frightened of being found out, and yet in certain ways, he wanted to be found out.

Felix was a psycho. A normal person does not kill, chop up, and stage a dramatic display of another person. So you say that he snapped after Emily committed suicide. Why didn't anyone else become an axe murderer? Emily had more friends than just Felix, and she likely had some manner of family as well.

Like you said, Felix was a psycho. He was a bit mentally unbalanced and Emily's suicide sent him over the edge. Also, Emily had confided in him with the preview of the book and the frantic phone call of the day before. The others were devastated at Emily's suicide, but Felix was the only one who knew why it happened.

Furthermore, as reprehensible a person as Jessica was, she did not kill Emily. Emily killed herself. Suicide was not the only option available to her, so it's not like she was forced into the act by some elaborate movement of pawns. All Jessica did was steal her story.

Felix's murdering Jessica was in no way needed. Emily was an emotionally unstable person who made a wrong choice after being robbed. Felix was an emotionally unstable person who, though he did have two years to realize that fact and work to change, nevertheless carried out one murder, and thrice attempted another. Felix's was no crime of passion. There were no split second decisions involved. He calmly and coldly plotted and carried out Jessica's murder, and Jessica's being a reprehensible thief in no way ameliorates the evil act that he committed.

And that, um, I'm not sure what that indicates but it is significant. Felix was emotionally unstable, and so was Emily. It is reasonable to theorize that they were drawn to each other. Felix was the one person in whom Emily confided, well, the first person. They were very close to each other, maybe even romantically linked. I have no proof of that but it would furnish further incentive for Felix taking Emily's suicide so hard and setting out to avenge her.
Jessica was probably Emily's best friend, or so Emily thought. It's an old story, the best friend who turns out to be a user; I know I've seen many examples of this personally. She was the second person with whom Emily shared her effort. When Jessica betrayed Emily, she said she'd never trust anyone again, from which we could assume that she trust Jessica, and perhaps no one else. She called Felix to tell him this because he was the one other person she trusted. If she could trust anyone, it would be Felix.
You're right; there were other things that Emily could have done. She could have gotten therapy. Or, with Felix backing her up, she could have tried to make trouble for Jessica. But she didn't. As for Felix, there were other things he could have done. For that matter, Jessica could have have involved Emily in the process all the way, maybe included the rest of the group and set the lot of them up in the entertainment world as a force with which to be reckoned. But none of this happened. So did what Emily did, did what Felix did, make sense? It did to them, and to them, that's all that matters. That's the trouble when you get inside someone's mind, you think like them, as wrong as that thinking might be.

[bobcat]

I agree with you there.. In fact, I'm always thinking that myself whenever Conan knocks out Serena or Richard.. What if the revealed killer went nuts and didn't want to give in.. I mean who there is gonna stop them? Especially in this episode, Conan had a messed up ankle so no kicky, and I doubt the others would've stopped a knife.. Maybe Rachel with her judo.. but still that's taking a chance.. We also came close when that samurai guy swung at Richard a few weeks back and got Richard to bleed .. That was hilarious.. yet.. frightening.. at least for Richard and Conan it was.. :anime:
One thing I've always wondered is why Conan doesn't use his dart gun on the villain?

[Dark Soul]

Good two part episode. Little bit gross but thats what murder is. Well I was stumped for the first time. Never thought it was Felix. But it was suspicious that Felix was always on the roof. So revenge eh. Basically that is what half the cases are.
Well good first part and great climax for the most part. I was surprised I was wrong.

Mountain Villa Murder Part I A

Mountain Villa Murder PartII A

Overall A

[Ultra8]

First we meet Rachel's mom and see her race Conan to solve the case( which I managed to figure out that the big guy did it by his bandages jumping fingers, but not how he did it). Then we get a heartwarming treasure hunt. And finally a slasher 2-parter with the infamous bandaged man character. It wasn't easy to solve but I had my suspicions with Felix mainly because of his eyes whiched matched the killer more or less.

Overall A++ for the week.

:D Now back to Comic-Con for more freebies, Conan CDs, and Ultraman plushies, etc.:eek:!![basic Con-newbie ranting]

[HumanoidTyphoon]

This is the second time I've gotten things right.^_^ I looked at the picture of Rachel walking in on Felix and kept thinking he doesn't look very fat but the flashback threw me off cause he looks really fat there. Also his head looks fine to me especially in the manga pic up there^ geez he decaped her while she was standing.:eek:

The nose on the mask didn't fit Felix but this was such a great set of episodes I'll overlook it. ;) Hahaha..There's nothing to overlook the nose was on the mask it doesn't have to fit him.
One thing I've always wondered is why Conan doesn't use his dart gun on the villain?He has to get them to confess.

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM7.jpghttp://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM8.jpg


More clues start appearing and Conan then realizes that when he grabbed the attacker by the waist, this leads to an important discovery why Rachel is in danger. Once Felix was revealed to be the axe murderer, he recalls how Jessica stole Emily's manuscript for a novel which drove her to commit suicide.

Gah, what seriously threw me off was that Felix head was chubby and I am amazed that he can put that head into a slim looking face mask. Also I am sorta glad that this turned out to be a real murder instead of footage for a movie or a prank. It was very gruesome that Felix hacked off Jessica limbs and her head... He was carrying that around under his shirt?!! Dang!

Highlights for me during this episode. Rachel giving Conan a piggyback ride. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/piggyback.jpg) Then in another scene Conan tumbles off Rachel (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/karate%20kick.jpg) as she delivers a karate kick. Sneak a peak! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/sneakapeak2.jpg)Serena acting like Richard claiming all the credit! HAHAHA! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/serenahaha.jpg)



If, as I believe, it is a murder, then my money is on Angie. She knows the house better than anyone, is, as has been said, a make-up artist, and is of the right body type. The clincher for me is that the two times shishio has attacked, he's retreated upon seeing or hearing Cynthia — not Conan, Cynthia.
Well, I'm broke again... and who the hell is Cynthia?!?!? :o
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*honks hugs and whatever else*
Cappy RedWow cool, nice seeing your posts again Captain! Heh, yeah like you said. When I was reading your previous post, I was like "WTH, who is this Cynthia person you talking about?!!!" LOL.

Can't talk, show's on. (http://www.angelfire.com/film/spidey2099animatedhq/images/RanvsShishio)LOL, very nice! If you don't mind me asking, did you create the background yourself? Nice job with those character icons and life bars. :)


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So, up to when are new Case Closed eps scheduled again?
Because I'll be gone on a Florida vacation for a couple weeks starting middle next week. So ya guys gonna be on your own then. :p
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Awww :( .

Uh, hey how many more "new" episodes are there left to air on AS? Does anyone know?

[Spidey2099]

If you don't mind me asking, did you create the background yourself? Nice job with those character icons and life bars. :)The background was a quick airbrush job, and the life bars, as well as Shishio (a quick pencil sketch scanned in and colored) were all made by me. The only things remaining were using a few pictures of Rachel from the Funimation site (both her character and the picture of her in the life bar), as well as finding a picture of Shihsio for his life bar.

Hmmm...wonder what that "S C Meter" in the upper right corner could be......less than a minute of it, I notice... :p

Thanks for the comments! :D

[Sampo]

The background was a quick airbrush job, and the life bars, as well as Shishio (a quick pencil sketch scanned in and colored) were all made by me. The only things remaining were using a few pictures of Rachel from the Funimation site (both her character and the picture of her in the life bar), as well as finding a picture of Shihsio for his life bar.
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DANG! You drew that pic of Shishio doing that attack? Man, nice... the best I can draw is a stick guy with a happy face. :sweat:


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Hmmm...wonder what that "S C Meter" in the upper right corner could be......less than a minute of it, I notice... :p
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LOL, hang in there Rachel!!! Just a minute more and you'll win!!! :D

Later.

[Gruntling]

Richard's voice on the bowtie was #15? I thought it was much higher than that, 50-something, 60-something, whatever.
I'm 100% positive that Richard's voice is #59.

[Sampo]

I'm 100% positive that Richard's voice is #59.Bingo, Bingo! You win the prize!

Audio Clip of Jimmy(Conan) (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/voice59.MP3) from the episode Smooth Sailing Part 2.

[Tash]

I remember several several episodes back, while he was using the bowtie, he mentioned someone's voice (presumably Richard's) on something like #15..
I thought the voices were pre-encoded on this bowtie, which led me to wonder why Serena's was encoded on his bowtie.This as been discussed for a few pages BUT...

The first time he mimiced her voice, he mentioned having to find the right frequency or something, didn't he?

[Sampo]

This as been discussed for a few pages BUT...

The first time he mimiced her voice, he mentioned having to find the right frequency or something, didn't he?Yup, Jimmy(Conan) mentioned the following while turning the dial on his bow tie: "Now to adjust the bow tie to Serena's vocal range." This is from the episode Wedding Day Blues.

Conan's bowtie could be designed so he can adjust and sound like anyone, then he can save a setting and dial in for a specific voice (like a speed dial on a phone).

[Spidey2099]

LOL, hang in there Rachel!!! Just a minute more and you'll win!!! :D "The Time chooses....Rachel."

:anime: :anime: :anime:

[CaseClosed15]

When ever Conan darts someone and mimics their voice the head is down and on Murder at the Local Diner we see the clip of Richard "solving" the case, wouldn't they notice that his lips weren't moving? If someone caught that couldn't they easily find Conan out if they knew who he was and how smart he was?

[Freedom Fighter]

Wednesday and Thursday - "Mountain Villa Murder, Parts 1 & 2" (4 out of 4)
The 1 a.m. bug continues to bite, as I fell asleep during the second half of Part 1. Don't ask me how... but when I saw the recap before Part 2 on Thursday... man, I know I missed a lot!

Very intricate murder here... one I would've loved to try and figure out had I seen all of Part 1. My favorite moment was no doubt when Conan tried to shoot Rachel with the tranquilizer watch... and he misses and hits Serena! Even better is him groaning about it! He didn't do it before when he shot her back in the wedding episode a while back.

Okay, two moments. The ending, too, when Serena, a la Richard, 'takes' credit for solving the case. I guess Conan's stuck doing the hard work while others enjoy the fruits of his labor. Sucks to be a kid sometimes, doesn't it? Did I mention Serena was a lot more enjoyable this time around?

Reminder to self... get more sleep this weekend to prepare for next week's slew of mysteries!

[lostrune]

Then in another scene Conan tumbles off Rachel (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/karate%20kick.jpg) as she delivers a karate kick.

Uh, hey how many more "new" episodes are there left to air on AS? Does anyone know?

Yes, Rachel "kicks high." ;) :D

So, does anybody remember when Case Closed is to be replaced? I seem to recall we had a whole thread about this not too long ago.... :shrug:


When ever Conan darts someone and mimics their voice the head is down and on Murder at the Local Diner we see the clip of Richard "solving" the case, wouldn't they notice that his lips weren't moving? If someone caught that couldn't they easily find Conan out if they knew who he was and how smart he was?

Then it'd be a short series. :p

[Yash]

Then it'd be a short series. :p
Exactly, like if in DBZ the villains didn't spend forever talking and just blew up the damn planet.

Although, it is strange that nobody notices the mouth-moving (I bet if FUNi released one of the movies to theaters, some ass at RottenTomatoes would complain about how Richard doesn't talk when he solves his cases :p) OR the fact that Conan's nowhere in sight (except for the first time he used it where Rachel saw him sitting down behind a chair where Richard was sitting, and that one with the writer).

[Duke]

I bet if FUNi released one of the movies to theaters, some ass at RottenTomatoes would complain about how Richard doesn't talk when he solves his cases :p)
Hey, they complained because Mewtwo didn't move his mouth in Mewtwo Strikes Back so I wouldn't put it past them.

[Artimus Gigan]

Yes, Rachel "kicks high." ;) :D

So, does anybody remember when Case Closed is to be replaced? I seem to recall we had a whole thread about this not too long ago.... :shrug:




Then it'd be a short series. :p
CC will be replaced at episode 40 if I rmember correctly

[SamCurt]

CC will be replaced at episode 40 if I rmember correctly
According to http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=116295, CC would rerun from Ep 1 after it ended up at Ep 48.

[bigddan11]

CC isn't bein greplaced at all. They are running to episode 48 and then going to repeats, but it will still be on ASA.