Hi Hi PuffyAmiYumi and Atomic Betty

[Wanted]

It has been mentioned that these shows are coming to CN later this year, so why not ask questions?

I have one for Atomic Betty: Is the show being ordered especially for Cartoon Network and produced elsewhere, like Ed, Edd n' Eddy?

Hi Hi PuffyAmiYumi question: Is it being done in-house at Cartoon Network Studios?

[DSRGirl]

I have one for Atomic Betty: Is the show being ordered especially for Cartoon Network and produced elsewhere, like Ed, Edd n' Eddy?
I believe so. Don't quote me on it though.

Hi Hi PuffyAmiYumi question: Is it being done in-house at Cartoon Network Studios?
Yes it is. It's also being done in Flash Animation. Which allows it to easily be realized so quickly on DVD (sometime in 2005. The show's premering December 2004 I believe.

[Wanted]

Thanks for the info and time.

[Killtacular]

Both shows are done out of studio. Atomic Betty is being done in Vancouver via Atomic Cartoons, and HiHi PuffyAmiYumi is done at Renegade Animaiton (Captain Sturdy).

[Wanted]

Alright. This still means that they're going to be CN originals, I guess.

More Vancouver animation for us!

[MahouShoujo13]

I've heard that the redheaded girl in pink with a ponytail on the CN banner is from "Atomic Betty". The girl with the pink hair on the same banner is from "PuffyAmiYumi". I don't know if these are spoilers, but that could be a sneak peak about the shows. I saw a thread that linked to an article about "Atomic Betty". I don't know where it is, though.

Well, kids don't know about the song group "PuffyAmiYumi", which the cartoon is based on. They only know the song group by the "Teen Titans" theme song (English and Japanese versions). If they just put a few J-pop on the radio waves they would know.

Atomic Betty is being done in Vancouver via Atomic Cartoons, and HiHi PuffyAmiYumi is done at Renegade Animaiton (Captain Sturdy).
Renegade Animation...the same studio that made the Captian Sturdy cartoon, that flopped. Oh no. I hope "Hi Hi PuffyAmiYumi" won't flop as well.

[True Noir]

I want to see Puffy AmiYumi. They are a pretty good music group. I just hope the show isn't corny.

[Numbuh 4]

I want to see Puffy AmiYumi. They are a pretty good music group. I just hope the show isn't corny....Yes it will probably be corny.

It has been mentioned that these shows are coming to CN later this year, so why not ask questions?Ok... ...Are they gonna sing in it? Are they gonna be kids in it? Or is this picture on the banner just chibi? Are they always gonna be chibi? How come I'm asking stupid questions? Is her hair really pink? Is it gonna be in japanese? Should I get all their CD's? Is the real Ami and Yumi gonna voice it? Are they gonna be living in Japan? Why the heck does "Planet Tokyo" and "Red Swing" have the same exact music? Will it be funny in the least? Will it have anime action? Am I done yet?

Wow, all that could probably qualify as spam..........

~:knd4:
Thrice as dumb as you.

[LightShadow1890]

It has been mentioned that these shows are coming to CN later this year, so why not ask questions?

I have one for Atomic Betty: Is the show being ordered especially for Cartoon Network and produced elsewhere, like Ed, Edd n' Eddy?

Hi Hi PuffyAmiYumi question: Is it being done in-house at Cartoon Network Studios?
"Hi Hi PuffyAmiYumi" reminds me of the J-Pop group who did the theme song for Teen Titans.

Wait, so the red-haired ponytailed kid and the pink haired kid with the flower is from the two new shows? :eek: I thought one of them was from that Princess Detective show.

[Pepperidge]

Both shows are done out of studio. Atomic Betty is being done in Vancouver via Atomic Cartoons Yes, I KNEW Atomic Betty was Canadian Content. Teletoon has been pushing the show like crack cocaine.

[Master Moron]

...Yes it will probably be corny.

Ok... ...Are they gonna sing in it? Are they gonna be kids in it? Or is this picture on the banner just chibi? Are they always gonna be chibi? How come I'm asking stupid questions? Is her hair really pink? Is it gonna be in japanese? Should I get all their CD's? Is the real Ami and Yumi gonna voice it? Are they gonna be living in Japan? Why the heck does "Planet Tokyo" and "Red Swing" have the same exact music? Will it be funny in the least? Will it have anime action? Am I done yet?



A better question would be "Is this a good idea"? I mean, kids only know who Puffy Ami Yumi are through the theme song to Teen Titans. IF they know that. I mean, do most kids normally keep track of who sings cartoon theme songs?

[Tash]

...Yes it will probably be corny.

Ok... ...Are they gonna sing in it? Are they gonna be kids in it? Or is this picture on the banner just chibi? Are they always gonna be chibi? How come I'm asking stupid questions? Is her hair really pink? Is it gonna be in japanese? Should I get all their CD's? Is the real Ami and Yumi gonna voice it? Are they gonna be living in Japan? Why the heck does "Planet Tokyo" and "Red Swing" have the same exact music? Will it be funny in the least? Will it have anime action? Am I done yet?I'm bored...

Supposedly. Not from what I understand. Chibi. Not in the Live action segments. You're bored. No. No. Nah, their other 2 American CDs arn't great. Yes. Erm. planet Tokyo is the english adaption of the song (their other 2 US CDs have more of these). They said it would be aimed at a younger audiece than their Japanese fanbase, make your own conclusions. it might. yes.

[Duke]

Ok... ...Are they gonna sing in it?
Yep. They'll have music videos every episode. (Considering they have 5 albums in Japan, so they have plenty of material.)

Are they gonna be kids in it?
There might be kids, but Ami & Yumi are the stars, and probably their agents too.

Or is this picture on the banner just chibi?
They're always chibi while in animated form.

Are they always gonna be chibi?
Yep. Chibi rocks!

How come I'm asking stupid questions?
I think the answer's obvious.

Is her hair really pink?
In real life, no. She has black hair, same as Yumi.

Is it gonna be in japanese?
It's made for CN, so I doubt it. I wouldn't be surprised if they throw in random Japanese words like in Duel Masters.

Should I get all their CD's?
There's only 2 out right now, An Illustrated Collection & Nice. Both are pretty good. A few songs in English, the rest in Japanese.

Is the real Ami and Yumi gonna voice it?
Probably.

Are they gonna be living in Japan?
The series takes place in Tokyo.

Why the heck does "Planet Tokyo" and "Red Swing" have the same exact music?
I've asked that question many times.

Will it be funny in the least?
If you like chibi anime, probably.

Will it have anime action?
It's Flash. Take a wild guess.

Am I done yet?
Yes. I made sure of it.

A better question would be "Is this a good idea"? I mean, kids only know who Puffy Ami Yumi are through the theme song to Teen Titans. IF they know that. I mean, do most kids normally keep track of who sings cartoon theme songs?
Why do I get the feeling I reply to you more than any other member?

Anyway, they did show the TT music video with Puffy AmiYumi on Fridays a while back, which will also be on the upcoming TT DVD. I wonder if they'll have inside jokes to Puffy AmiYumi's variety show and anime already in Japan? (And before you ask, the shows in Japan are completely different. Ami & Yumi's animated features look more closely like themselves than this new series does.)

[Numbuh 4]

...I knew someone would go through my stupid questions. :D

Well, I'm not really looking forward to either show, but I really wasn't looking forward to Teen Titans way back when until I saw a commercial for it. But like always I'll probably watch a few episodes to see what they're like.

~:knd4:
Thrice as dumb as you.

[Wanted]

One question for Pepperidge: Is YTV airing Atomic Betty yet, and if not, when do they plan to start?

From what I've heard (barely anything about Atomic Betty in this thread), these shows are somethings to look forward to (I hope my mother doesn't cut the cable after summer).

[Wanted]

Wellp, might as well add Juniper Lee to the talk.

[Wanted]

Just picked this up: What was all that about Atomic Betty? Here's some info to set us in the right direction:

Atomic Betty is a Canada/France co-production between Breakthrough Films & Television and Atomic Cartoons (Canada) and TeleImages Kids (France).
It's being distributed to the following:Broadcasters include Teletoon Canada, Teletoon France, M6 France, ABC Australia, Cartoon Network US, Cartoon Worldwide including, U.K., Italy and South East Asia, Asia Pacific, Australia, Italy, Malta, Ireland, Iceland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Poland, Romania, and Hungary. LUK International distributes to Spain, Portugal and Andorra.Well, it may have been made for Cartoon Network after all. I don't see the point of airing the same show on two different stations in the same country, though.

http://www.breakthroughfilms.com/admin/uploads/large/thumbshow25.jpg?IctQual=100

[Mr. Insomnia]

...is CN's animation budget really THAT bad that they have to do almost all of their new programming in Flash?

[Pepperidge]

One question for Pepperidge: Is YTV airing Atomic Betty yet, and if not, when do they plan to start?

From what I've heard (barely anything about Atomic Betty in this thread), these shows are somethings to look forward to (I hope my mother doesn't cut the cable after summer).
Teletoon is airing Atomic Betty, not YTV, and it's going to debut, I believe, on September 6.

However, the station has been pimping the show BIG TIME since April, so I'm under the impression that they forked over a lot of cash for production of the series.

[Duke]

...is CN's animation budget really THAT bad that they have to do almost all of their new programming in Flash?
Why is it the only Adult Swim Action original you've seen is Big O? Justice League is often ridiculed for having crappier animation and music than most other series. Megas has some animation problems as well.

[Mr. Insomnia]

Why is it the only Adult Swim Action original you've seen is Big O? Justice League is often ridiculed for having crappier animation and music than most other series. Megas has some animation problems as well.Uh...what. the. hell. calm down, clammy. I actually think Justice League has some pretty nice animation. Except most of their effects like fire and water. Megas XLR has possibly the best animation to ever come from CN studios. But I assume it was most of the animators decisions to get the the top notch animation using flash not being confined to the networks budget.

[True Noir]

Will Puffy AmiYumi be doing the voice acting for their own characters?

[Karl Olson]

...is CN's animation budget really THAT bad that they have to do almost all of their new programming in Flash?


For the purposes of shows like Puffy Ami Yumi and especially for Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, animating in digitally-painted cel would be a lot of cost, for very little gain (and in the case of Foster's, flat style flash is argueably the best option for animating it.) Also, done correctly, flash can look as good, if not better (basically no retakes, no animation errors, as on-model as you want it) than digicel for any sort of broadcast grade animation situation. Harvey Birdman's flash episodes look much better than the cel episodes, for example.

Yes it saves CN money, but it also allows them to launch more new shows (I think the transition towards more flash originals has allowed CN to the have the most originals scheduled for production I've ever scene.) CN's always been toward the cheap as far as budget in concerned (Justice League is probably the priciest CN show at 500Kish per half hour, whereas Nick spends upwards of a Million per half hour on their originals) If they can get 3-5 possible hits in Flash where in digicel they'd only have the budget for one, more power to 'em.

[Killtacular]

PuffyAmiYumi and Foster's Home aren't being done in Flash to be cheap. The artists deliberately chose Flash to use. It'd be like asking Soup2Nuts to do a traditional show... they're just not equipped for it because their operation is all-Flash. Craig chose Flash because the style worked for Flash, not because CN wanted to be cheap. CN would've given Craig a million dollars an episode if he wanted that, because they bow down to him (and his dominatrix).

They are also trying to animate Foster's Home entirely in the United States, in LA. Which is something that hasn't and can't be done with traditional animation for a television series. Flash makes it possible.

[Jimmy Kustes]

Foster's Home looks really good oin the website and it has a lot of animation done in the US from what I hear. As long as the animators are paid really well then I don't see a problem with Flash.

[Karl Olson]

PuffyAmiYumi and Foster's Home aren't being done in Flash to be cheap. The artists deliberately chose Flash to use. It'd be like asking Soup2Nuts to do a traditional show... they're just not equipped for it because their operation is all-Flash. Craig chose Flash because the style worked for Flash, not because CN wanted to be cheap. CN would've given Craig a million dollars an episode if he wanted that, because they bow down to him (and his dominatrix).

They are also trying to animate Foster's Home entirely in the United States, in LA. Which is something that hasn't and can't be done with traditional animation for a television series. Flash makes it possible.

I thought/heard that Foster's was being sent over to Korea to be flashimated, but I guess that was bunk. Well, it's cool that it's being all/almost done stateside, because well, no reason not to do it local when the possibility exists (which I know couldn't happen for digicel because it'd be insanely expensive.) Anyway, I knew that it was a stylistic choice to do Foster's in flash, and I didn't know that PuffyAmiYumi's case. Thank you for the info. By the way, how does the cost of flash animating stateside compare to digicel sent to Korea? Now that I think about it, it might be a bit of a wash.

On a related note, I'm not sure whether I should be glad to hear that CN is cowtowing to whatever Craig wants or not. I suppose that means he'd have a good shot at getting a show together for AS at some point, which would be cool, but only if it's his show, not a show that's basically being pitched through on the behalf of his significant other.

[Killtacular]

I thought/heard that Foster's was being sent over to Korea to be flashimated, but I guess that was bunk.
Currently, some episodes are being animated in LA and some are being animated in England, as far as I know.

Anyway, I knew that it was a stylistic choice to do Foster's in flash, and I didn't know that PuffyAmiYumi's case.
In Renegade's case they're set up to do Flash work so that would be their natural choice in doing a show. The pilot was in Flash when it was pitched to CN so...

Thank you for the info. By the way, how does the cost of flash animating stateside compare to digicel sent to Korea? Now that I think about it, it might be a bit of a wash.
It's not really cheaper at all, because American salaries are still much higher than Korean salaries.

On a related note, I'm not sure whether I should be glad to hear that CN is cowtowing to whatever Craig wants or not. I suppose that means he'd have a good shot at getting a show together for AS at some point, which would be cool, but only if it's his show, not a show that's basically being pitched through on the behalf of his significant other.
I wouldn't count on that, unless CN converts itself to adapt to the older audience that now makes up more than 35% of its audience (the highest percentile).

[Mysteryinfoman]

Yeah I heard in some interview with I think Maxwell on some website, not sure which one that Foster would have great animation and it's going to be in flash, sounds cool. I always thought HHP was a show from japan or maybe the band or something like that. Also flash could look great, evident in Hm S4, HBAAL so I don't think it being made in flash is a bad thing.

[Karl Olson]

Currently, some episodes are being animated in LA and some are being animated in England, as far as I know.

England? Hmm. Very interesting. Almost fitting some how though.

In Renegade's case they're set up to do Flash work so that would be their natural choice in doing a show. The pilot was in Flash when it was pitched to CN so...

Ah, ok. I hadn't been following the show past the announcement. Well, flash and chibi work well well (IIRC, Super Milk Chan was done in Flash.)

It's not really cheaper at all, because American salaries are still much higher than Korean salaries.

Yeah, even with a compartively reduced staff, that makes sense. I guess US animation is pricey regardless of the format, atleast if you're shooting for a particular grade/quality. Atleast, as you've mentioned, when it's all done stateside, certain aspects of the animation process are easier.

I wouldn't count on that, unless CN converts itself to adapt to the older audience that now makes up more than 35% of its audience (the highest percentile).

Of course they should be doing that, because beating Nick is an uphill battle, and even if they could, CN would always be on the edge falling back because they'd never know when Nick would get a new Spongebob and quickly take the audience back from them again, where as catering to adults with animation is pretty much open territory. As you've said though, it's unlikely given the current management. Still, I'd like to Craig get back to his roots. He can let his wife manage Foster's after the first season, and he could make a much more interesting, funny show.