C&C – Detective Conan/Case Closed – Week 3 [6/7 – 6/10]

[Tienshin]

Meanwhile….

Ms. Scarlet: That's not six.

Wadsworth: One plus two plus two plus one.

Ms. Scarlet: Uh-uh. There was only one shot that got the chandelier. That one plus two plus ONE plus one.

Wadsworth: Even if you're right, that would be one plus one plus two plus one, not one plus two plus one plus one.

Ms. Scarlet: Alright, fine, one plus two plus one..........SHUT-UP!

Perry Mason can eat it. Conan is back on the case.

[Mr_Millions]

so, I guess the merging occuring?

[Mog]

I was seconds away from making this thread. Good thing at least one mod was paying attention.

As for the episode, I liked it. I never even thought of the solution until Conan started thinking it. If they had shown the pictures a little closer I might have noticed, but they didn't.

A-

[Tienshin]

Lostrune, my apologies for deleting your thread and sorry for nuking the other comments in the original thread...tech difficulties. :sweat: And it started off so sweet too.

Also: I need a new mouse.

[Nin-Nin69]

(Edited for spoiler)

WTF mate? It was here a minute ago, now it's gone.

Oh and tomorrow's clue is a :cool:

Sega Genesis(or Saturn).

[randi]

Now I have to wirte it all over again.

This was a good epsoide. He had to stun Richard again but all well. Too bad that balloon got in his way. I still didn't figure it out even though we all kinda knew who it was.

Video Game

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[Mr_Millions]

A quick recap of my flawless wit:

"So, the killer is Hiei Kerry?"

And the people were pleased.

And I commited the taboo of posting the Conan is, in caps, without a spoiler box.

GENESIS!

[Youko Recca]

Took me awhile to realise that was from Clue....


It would be better if we DIDN'T know who commited the crime from the beggining. I already solved this minutes into it. Hiei isn't a punk either like this guy. They better not have all of them out of nowhere see the error of their ways. Tommorow's looks better though.

[lostrune]

Lostrune, my apologies for deleting your thread and sorry for nuking the other comments in the original thread...tech difficulties. :sweat: And it started off so sweet too.

Ah, so that's what happened. No problem... though I dunno if I should write it again since the ep is done, and people will be b...barking about it anyways. :D

(I merely created it to head on that....)

[Tienshin]

Ah, so that's what happened. No problem... though I dunno if I should write it again since the ep is done, and people will be b...barking about it anyways. :D

(I merely created it to head on that....)

But you have to admit...I blew that f**ker up. Good thing Reagan didn't have my powers back in the day.


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Too soon? OMG MY BAD!

[lostrune]

But you have to admit...I blew that f**ker up. Good thing Reagan didn't have my powers back in the day.


Too soon? OMG MY BAD!

Don't worry. There are others already ahead of you, like some in the Japan Today boards: :sweat:
Japan Today: Arabs not too fond of Reagan era (http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=8&id=301210)

But enough of that. Maybe I'll do my "Deep Thoughts" later when more people have posted. :)

[Botman]

Ah, so that's what happened. No problem... though I dunno if I should write it again since the ep is done, and people will be b...barking about it anyways. :D

(I merely created it to head on that....)
In response to the (now deleted) message, I don't have a problem with the fact that Conan knocks out Richard anymore, but I still have a problem with Rachel butting in with her "Conan! Stop bothering the detective!" moments.

I don't know why, but those scenes get me really frustrated...

[livingfruitvirus]

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Edited three times, this time because I don't want the Quote box to spoiler
Oh and tomorrow's clue is a :cool:

Sega Genesis(or Saturn).
And I commited the taboo of posting the Conan is, in caps, without a spoiler box.

GENESIS!
LOL. Triple post!

[Nin-Nin69]

*StartRantScrew Regan. He's the worst president we've had since Grant was elected shortly after the Civil War. Too many things when down under his administration that are being repeated in W. Bush's term. I still don't see why he's getting all of this attention since he's a freaken actor.EndRant*

Other than the fact that the guy took the picture last year in order to fool the police, why in the heck did he bother to destroy the room? A waste of time. :rolleyes:

[TnAdct1]

It would be better if we DIDN'T know who commited the crime from the beggining. I already solved this minutes into it. Hiei isn't a punk either like this guy. They better not have all of them out of nowhere see the error of their ways. Tommorow's looks better though.
Actually, tonight's episode had a interesting change when it comes to the mystery. Unlike other episodes, which involves figuring out who the criminal is (and sometimes how he done it), this time we actually see the culprit commit the crime at the very beginning of the episode and get rid of any evidence that could convict him of the crime, with the mystery involving the search for the one piece of evidence that the culprit forgot to notice.

[lostrune]

In response to the (now deleted) message, I don't have a problem with the fact that Conan knocks out Richard anymore, but I still have a problem with Rachel butting in with her "Conan! Stop bothering the detective!" moments.

I don't know why, but those scenes get me really frustrated...

Yeah I know. I felt the same way too - and that was years ago! :D :sweat:
(That's why I felt warning viewers about it....)

But I kept watching anyways, at least until I ran out of tapes.... It was already a long series then, y'know! I couldn't keep up - it's not like t'was on "free TV." :sweat:


Other than the fact that the guy took the picture last year in order to fool the police, why in the heck did he bother to destroy the room? A waste of time. :rolleyes:

It was supposed to be a fake robbery - ergo, the mess was needed to make it look like the robber was looking for valuable stuff. The guy just didn't think about the short lapse time between the shooting and his escape.

[The Collector]

A different type of episode today. We knew who the killer was, we just needed to figure out how Conan was going to crack his alibi. I got the year ago photo right off the bat, but it wasn't until Conan had Detective Moore point at the wrist that I remembered the white ring where the watch usually was. Overall, a good episode, but I enjoy it more when I get to guess the killer instead of how to break his alibi. Tommorrow's looks interesting. Another near miss for Rachel probably.

[herbkir]

This was a disappointing episode. I figured out the holes in the camera alibi right away. No challenge there. And the "knock out Richard" thing just got too outrageously unbelieveable. Well, after 2 weeks of good episodes, I guess a clinker was inevitable. Tomorrow's episode looks much better.

Yes, the killer did look like a young John Kerry. That boy shoulda gone into politics instead of writing. (^_*)

[Nin-Nin69]

I was shocked that after Conan got caught by Rachel, he still was talking into the bowtie and she never noticed. After all she was standing right next to him and easily would've noticed that her father was face down, but could still talk w/out a muffled sound.

[TnAdct1]

Other than the fact that the guy took the picture last year in order to fool the police, why in the heck did he bother to destroy the room? A waste of time. :rolleyes:
He wanted to make it appear as if someone has broken into the room and, along with the murder, stole his valueable.

[Nin-Nin69]

Then how come he never took his plastic cards and just his pocket money? He could've maxed out his credit before he's reported to the authorites. Blech. :rolleyes:

BTW I just thought of this. When will Conan use his watch on Rachel? Think about it. She's knocked out........:p

[SirLemming]

Even though we knew who the murderer was, it was still interesting to see how Conan would break the alibi. And really, who wouldn't have guessed? It was so obvious it would've just been disappointing at the end. Instead, they told us up front, which made it more interesting, because we knew the guy did it and yet his alibi seemed so solid (at least, to me it did).

At first I was disappointed to see the stun/chair trick again, but at least he nearly got caught this time.

Looks like Rachel's getting wise to him again next episode...

[Duke]

I gotta say, the "Rachel almost finds out" plots are just kinda dull after last week's episode where she clued everything together. I still say she should have been told in the beginning, but oh well.

Today's wasn't the best, but not too bad either. I liked the change of pace where there's only one suspect, but no evidence to convict him.

I too think that Rachel should've noticed the bowtie by now. I mean, the voice can't be as crystal clear as if the person was actually speaking.

[Youko Recca]

Actually, tonight's episode had a interesting change when it comes to the mystery. Unlike other episodes, which involves figuring out who the criminal is (and sometimes how he done it), this time we actually see the culprit commit the crime at the very beginning of the episode and get rid of any evidence that could convict him of the crime, with the mystery involving the search for the one piece of evidence that the culprit forgot to notice.
But I like to try and solve these....

[randi]

But I like to try and solve these....
Who can slove these

[Youko Recca]

Who can slove theseYou forgot the question mark. I solved a couple from week's back and if you can't then it's still worth your time to try...makes the experience more enjoyable. Hence why I put "try".

[Master Moron]

But I like to try and solve these....

Well, anybody can just look at a character and say "HE LOOKS GUILTY!!!! IT'S HIM!!!!!" The point of the show is to get the viewer to think. Personally, I thought about it over the commercial break and realized that they showed that tan line a lot so I figured it out. I like the episodes where there's a lot of suspects as well, but I like it when the show tries something different.

By the way, why would Rachel still be treating Conan like a pest now that she knows he's the one solving most of these crimes? Of course, it must have looked pretty odd that Conan was moving detective Moore's hand...

[Teek]

Had the year old photograph thing right off the bat, wasn't really thinking about the tan line, and I didn't even consider the room mess at all. Guess I got the most important part... heh.

[jeffrey 228]

Also Guys, did you also see somthing after Emerson was shot on the head, it seems that Bebop had edited of that many times before, but on this episode, Funimation decited to leave it as it is, yet I'd figured that I hoping they would edit such content like that scene, but I'm don't think amy of you here had noticed it.

[lostrune]

OK fine, I'll do my talkback now....

1. In my thread that was accidentally deleted earlier, I was just talking about heading some of yaz guys at the pass before "barking" at the ep that yaz would do anyways. :D

I was just saying, in vague terms, how some of yaz may be disappointed in the manner Conan solves the crime and in how careless Conan can be and yet Rachel couldn't catch on it. :sweat:
But that yaz probably will like the next ep preview (more on this later) and the hint. :D

2. Conan and his ongoing trials with his kiddie balloon was supposed to be funnier. :shrug:

3. Heh, still can't believe the police lets a little kid poke around a corpse crime scene. :rolleyes: :D

4. Did ya guys check out what time Conan's watch says when he used it? It was obviously reused animation because his watch's time was all wrong - that is, unless his gizmo doesn't function like a real watch (doubtful). ;)

5. As I also wrote in that thread that was deleted, I remember solving how it was done, just not the proof of it, and that I thought it may be the same for yaz guys. :D

6. Talking about remembering, I was wondering how they were gonna translate Richard Moore's pun joke at the end.... They didn't. They just made it a simple joke to laugh about. :D

7. And now, for the long-awaited notable "changes:"

a. The "Mt. Roosevelt Festival of Lights" is obviously not the original Japanese festival. It was the "Tenkaichi Festival" where the characters "Ten" (heaven) "ka" (forgot what it was, but it was translated as "beneath"), and "ichi" (number "one" translated as "best" works too) show up.

b. Obviously the authors' names and their pseudonym were changed too.

c. Another change, which may be for the better, that covers up a possible hole is that originally, the murderer walked to the festival. The dub changed it to "drive" probably because, otherwise instead of walking, in the original the murderer could've secretly drove or rode a bike quickly to and from the festival instead of walking.

d. As I also hinted in that deleted thread, the next ep preview, that yaz would like, hinted something... but the dub preview took out the hint. I don't think it's really a spoiler (especially since it was there originally), but here was the change in the preview:
When Rachel gasped, "Did you say what I think you said?!" originally she gasped, "You used to go out with Shinichi (Jimmy)?!" Now you know why she gasped real surprised-like and why the preview then shows her looking angry trying to open the restroom door Jimmy's in. :anime:


Then how come he never took his plastic cards and just his pocket money? He could've maxed out his credit before he's reported to the authorites. Blech. :rolleyes:

Probably a robber who doesn't want to be traced and photographed by the ATM camera, and so only took bills. Even today, a lot of Japanese still carry lots of bills instead of credit cards, so it's not uncommon.


BTW I just thought of this. When will Conan use his watch on Rachel? Think about it. She's knocked out........:p

Heheheheh, the things an evil mind can do with "magical" gizmos. :evil:
But don't worry; Conan will get his due in that department. ;)

[Wounded_Dragon]

This was a disappointing episode. I figured out the holes in the camera alibi right away. (^_*)
The early pictures aren't hard to figure out. Figuring out how Conan was going to prove it conclusively was.

[fearlessleader7]

This was a good episode. I figured out the picture thing before Jimmy did. I'll give this episode an A

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM1.jpghttp://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM2.jpg



Detective Richard Moore has gained in popularity and takes on yet another case, while Conan looks POed about it. Conan again uses the old "knock out the buffoon and use the bow tie" bit, but this time he almost gets caught!

It is a good change of pace to have an episode that deviates from the usual; here are a bunch of suspects and some clues, so go figure it out before Conan. This time around they show us the murder and a suspect with a solid alibi. So now we have to find faults in his alibi so that he can be accused of the crime. It was entertaining for me to watch his smug look turn into terror as Conan slowly pick at that guys alibi causing it to crumble.

The only thing I gotta say is I should have paid more attention to the show since they did display that 1 year old photo to the audience. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/tan.jpg) Dang I can't believe I didn't notice his sun tan mark wasn't there.


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4. Did ya guys check out what time Conan's watch says when he used it? It was obviously reused animation because his watch's time was all wrong - that is, unless his gizmo doesn't function like a real watch (doubtful). ;)
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Yup, the time of that watch was all wrong. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/watch.jpg) Oh well. Also, sorry to hear that your thread got nuked. :(

Anyone notice the reporter who was talking about the festival sounded a bit like Botan?

Later.

[Mystic Shadow]

Well, not bad. The Knock out Richard isn't that big of a deal. You guys are way too into hating that. It's just another way for him to solve the case.

I can't believe they used Chuck Huber for the killer again. Note to self: If someone is played by Chuck Huber, he did it... or tried to at least.

You know, Richard probably would have let Connan help, if that inspector hadn't flattered him at the beginning. He was all about showing off in this one.

I love the next Connan's hint.That's not just a video game, it's a Sega Genisis!

edit: Forgot the grade. A-

[Sanwich]

I don't really mind when Moore gets occasionally knocked out for the good of a case, but this episode it was bothering me a bit, for some reason. I do understand that this'll probably continue to happen a lot in the future, but I would appreciate a change of pace every so often - maybe a more innovative way of revealing the truth or something. When the situation allows it. Anyway. o_-

The solution to the case was incredibly simple - as Conan noted - so I'm embarassed that I didn't figure it out sooner. I did notice the murderer's tan-line, and when they showed it for the second time I knew it was going to be integral to the case. Unfortunately, I couldn't remember if his wrist was even shown in the photos, so I didn't connect the dots until the case was being wrapped up and the pictures were shown in detail again. c_c;

Ironically, the hint for tomorrow is one that would've been more appropriate for another episode, as was determined previously. n_- I'm sure it'll have a different role in this solution, though.

[Wounded_Dragon]

I don't really mind when Moore gets occasionally knocked out for the good of a case, but this episode it was bothering me a bit, for some reason.
Considering how he punched Conan to the ground, I don't care if Moore gets knocked out a thousand times.

[DemonKrowno]

one thing itches at me about this show: why would they let a little kid run around a murder scene?

[Anime Guy]

one thing itches at me about this show: why would they let a little kid run around a murder scene?Maybe because they don't have any other place to put him; or becuase he's the only one who can solve the case.

[Teek]

You have to suspend your disbelief. Looking at Conan he isn't some brat crying and jumping around everywhere, so I think that could play a part.

[DemonKrowno]

still bothers me she's treating him like a kid explaining about the festival on a 1stgrade level,and yet lets him go poke at a dead body....just,i dunno,it itches at the back of my brain. not putting the show down or anything at all,i love it tis mucho great just....you'd think they'd probably not even take him to the scene,ya know? but,it is just a show,and he is the star after all,so they gotta let him in someway! XD

[Master Moron]

Had the year old photograph thing right off the bat, wasn't really thinking about the tan line, and I didn't even consider the room mess at all. Guess I got the most important part... heh.

Not really, you can't convict someone on a hunch. Just knowing that the picture took place a year ago wasn't enough. You know, there should be a daily poll to see how many people solved the mystery completely.

You know, looking at Sampo's pictures, how on earth can Rachel pick up a child by a balloon string? That just doesn't seem probable. You'd think the string would break under the weight of a child.

[Swordfish_II]

Seems like a lot of people have been asking about the ratings for Case Closed. So here you are, the ratings for week one and two.

Week 1 average: 299,000 viewers (18 - 34); Week 2 average: 310,000 viewers (18 - 34).

Torrent just posted this over at AS.com.

[Teek]

Are those good? That seems comparable to what some of the Saturday shows was bringing in. It also should be nice the ratings went up the next week. That would mean good buzz wouldn't it?

And I am well aware of what it takes to convict someone. The fact the bad guys always confess as soon as the crime is revealed doesn't really help their cause either...

[Freedom Fighter]

Interesting. Different. I'm still wishing I didn't have to wake up early every morning to go to work so I can use my brainpower to try and solve some of these cases before Conan does.

Hmmm... everyone can't be that involved in solving the case that someone wouldn't notice a little kid like Conan wandering around. What kind of morals do these Japanese people have, anyway?

[Mr_Millions]

Speaking of things that bug people, watching Detective shows after getting used to shows like Law and Order (excluding Criminal intent, of course) is that guilt is proven quickly after the crime and the culprits don't think about their "right to remain silent" (which I assume Japan has). The writer in today's episode could probably have hired a pretty good lawyer, and really, isn't a single photo a rather shakey foundation to build a case on? This doesn't make the show any less entertaining, of course, as it isn't supposed to be realistic- it just pops up in my mind.

Now is the time for an inane reference:
There was an episode of Quincy, M.E. (it used to air on A&E) where Quincy is on a jury and, out of habit, uses his specialist knowledge to analyze and second guess the evidence presented by either the defense or prosecution (it was a while ago). This threatens a mistrial, as Quincy is not an "expert witness." Now here's the point (if it can be called one): I want to see an episode with Detecive Moore in the same situation, because he has absolutely no idea what he's doing and could potentially put an innocent man in jail or cause a mistrial. Considering this series is 300+ episodes long, I have a feeling it probably exists.

Wow, that was a whole lot of nothing.

[livingfruitvirus]

Are those good? That seems comparable to what some of the Saturday shows was bringing in. It also should be nice the ratings went up the next week. That would mean good buzz wouldn't it?
It should survive another 52 episodes as long as it stays above 300,000.

[Yash]

The hint is actually

A Sega Saturn. If you look carefully, you can see a disc drive as well as a cartridge slot, which the Saturn had.

I'm getting tired of the stungun trick... but he DID almost get caught this time, which was a bit of a surprise.

[Teek]

Cooool. I'm glad to hear those are fairly good numbers. Hopefully WS is pleased with them as well.

[Duke]

Hopefully the numbers will rise to above 350K, perhaps even 400K this week.

As to why they let Conan poke around: Probably because he's shown to be mature enough to not get in the way like most little kids would.

[DemonKrowno]

As to why they let Conan poke around: Probably because he's shown to be mature enough to not get in the way like most little kids would.
yes,i agree with that detective guy and racheal would,but why would the policemen and that other guy let him? they just know him as some random kid(sorry,i guess i like debating things)

[Varsil]

I really hope the nay-sayers are calling it wrong on this shows life expectancy.

I fall into the older portion of the target AS demographic (well, physically at least) and I admit I was a bit hesitant about this program initially (the few meager promotionals I saw for this program just didn't strike a chord with me and I feel they didn't really promote how appealing this show turned out to be), but I now look forward to viewing it.

I guess the ratings will tell in time whether there are more like myself out there.

Take care

[lostrune]

Seems like a lot of people have been asking about the ratings for Case Closed. So here you are, the ratings for week one and two.

Week 1 average: 299,000 viewers (18 - 34); Week 2 average: 310,000 viewers (18 - 34).

For a weekdays 12:30am EST timeslot, that's pretty good.
(Even though it's still only half of ATHF ratings preceeding it, though I guess ATHF's success actually helps Case Closed too.)
It's about equal to Wolf's Rain on Saturdays 11:30pm EST.


Anyways, the next episode should be more to yar guys liking. Not much of the usual cliches, though I wonder how they'll gonna handle the numerous Japanese text which are quite important. Either they'd have to subtitle it or they'd just replace it with English text. Either way - Conan will have a lot of explaining to do! :anime:

[Aquadementia]

I didn't get this one at all, but I was pretty tired last night.

The tan line. In the picture the guy was holding his hand up showing the underside of his arm, which doesn't get nearly as dark on most people. That's the kind detail you need to be purposefully looking for to notice in a photograph.

How did the police know where to find him? Did he tell the hotel clerk where he was going?

The sleeping detective. I'm glad to see it's not going so easy for Conan all the time. I'll give him a pass once or twice with Richard comically falling into a neat position with his arms folded and head down, rather then arms limp at the sides and head back and drule dripping from his mouth.

This show is aware of it's own problems and they aren't completely ignoring them.

Also, it's a good thing Richard is established as a heavy drinker, so no doubt he and his daughter are accustom to his frequent blackouts.

[lostrune]

Speaking of things that bug people, watching Detective shows after getting used to shows like Law and Order (excluding Criminal intent, of course) is that guilt is proven quickly after the crime and the culprits don't think about their "right to remain silent" (which I assume Japan has). The writer in today's episode could probably have hired a pretty good lawyer, and really, isn't a single photo a rather shakey foundation to build a case on? This doesn't make the show any less entertaining, of course, as it isn't supposed to be realistic- it just pops up in my mind.

In Japan, a lot of criminals actually admit it because, to Japanese, "forgiveness" is everything, and that can't start without admitting it first. :shrug:


I didn't get this one at all, but I was pretty tired last night.

The tan line. In the picture the guy was holding his hand up showing the underside of his arm, which doesn't get nearly as dark on most people. That's the kind detail you need to be purposefully looking for to notice in a photograph.

Yeah, in the two photos ("heaven" vs "best"), his wrists don't match.


How did the police know where to find him? Did he tell the hotel clerk where he was going?

Yeah most likely, so everyone knows his excuse. He even asked the hotel clerk what time it was a few times.

[SirLemming]

This case just started, but HOLY CRAP!

[Mr_Millions]

This is a great opening scene.

"I'm trying my best to remain calm"

And it's not a soccer overload without Manchester United.

So, We've gone from an episode where we know everything to an episode where we know nothing. Detective Boy Conan: Master of Opposites.

So, the Video Game is more akin to a Super Nintendo Final Fantasy than a Saturn/Mega Drive game.

He's been discovered!

That is quite an episode.

Next episode looks great, and a two part to boot.

BTW, Thanks for the interesting info lostrune

(I edited this sucker like six times, it's nearly become a blog)

[KuwabaraTheMan]

This was an interesting episode, and quite a bit different from the last one. Although it was one of those cases where it was nearly impossible to figure out until they revealed the crucial detail(the game characters names), but I knew there was something not right there.

Next episode looks like it will be pretty good, I'm definitely intrigued.

[DemonKrowno]

OMG! no hint!? what am i going to do!? :O

great episode,great variety and complexity this time! :D

[randi]

Good epsoide tonight. I liked when Rachel kept on chase Jimmy to try and find him. The hint wasn't really all that good but it was okay. But how can his shadow be that big with a chin and not be a little out of place. Lets see what Sampo willl have in store for us in four hours.

Nothing at all because its a part one and the case isn't fully ended in that one

[SirLemming]

No hint?!

Authenticity is one thing, but in this episode it REALLY would've helped to have either English subtitles or redone text for the ransom notes. The messages were key to the mystery and they needed reinforcement. I couldn't keep track.

Jimmy sure can get out of a tight spot... Of course, he's also lucky that Rachel was looking away from the bathroom door and that she didn't walk past the alley corner.


So, the Video Game is more akin to a Super Nintendo Final Fantasy than a Saturn/Mega Drive game.
Looks more like the NES Dragon Quest or perhaps the NES Final Fantasy, which makes sense since this series was in the '80s.

[DemonKrowno]

Authenticity is one thing, but in this episode it REALLY would've helped to have either English subtitles or redone text for the ransom notes. The messages were key to the mystery and they needed reinforcement. I couldn't keep track.


they couldn't have changed the note though,it was ripped and had the 2 dots there so...

and it's probably mock of DragonQuest cause of the name,"Hero'sQuest"

[randi]

and it's probably mock of DragonQuest cause of the name,"Hero'sQuest"
Well I've seen a borad game named Hero's Quest but I'm not sure what that has to do with it

[Nin-Nin69]

WTF?! The clue wasn't a Super Famicom. Why did they show something else. (Oh I figured out what yesterday's console was. It was a SegaCDX. Sega Genesis w/ a build in Sega CD. Figured that out once I saw the Super Famicom.)

Notice how they Americanized the lunchbox rather than telling the audience what was really inside or what comment he really made.

The best part of the show had to be when the kidnapper spilled his guts about being the arch rival and wanted to make him upset. Then they show a close up of the kid totally ignoring his long winded speach and watching TV. That scene killed me. I didn't lissen to anything he said after that since I was too busy laughing.

[TnAdct1]

Nothing at all because its a part one and the case isn't fully ended in that one
More specifically, this is the first half of a hour-long episode of Detective Boy Conan (this series, like Inu-Yasha and Naruto, has at least one hour-long episode per year), with the clue likely being saved up for the second half.

[Duke]

WTF?! The clue wasn't a Super Famicom. Why did they show something else. (Oh I figured out what yesterday's console was. It was a SegaCDX. Sega Genesis w/ a build in Sega CD. Figured that out once I saw the Super Famicom.)
Because the hint was "video game," not "Sega Genesis." I kinda doubted that the culprit would've been a Sega employee when I saw the hint.

Bah, no hint this time. Oh well. Other than that, a real good episode. I like how Conan sped out of the bathroom as soon as Rachel took the phone, and I loved everyone's reactions in the beginning when the girl showed them Jimmy's picture. Though the ending was kinda weak, everything else rocked.

[Master Moron]

The tan line. In the picture the guy was holding his hand up showing the underside of his arm, which doesn't get nearly as dark on most people. That's the kind detail you need to be purposefully looking for to notice in a photograph.


I noticed it. This was actually only the second or third case I was able to solve. I was purposely looking for the tan line in the photo because I figured out that the picture had to have been taken last year so I was looking for a feature that would be different and they showed his tan line a lot.

Anyhow, as for tonight's episode, I thought it was crap. The case was impossible to solve for the viewer. I had no idea until Conan figured out the beginning of the note. Of course, part of the issue might have been the kanji. Nevertheless, I thought the Rachel plot sucked. There's no way anyone would just sit there talking to a shadow, it was just lame. Also, it seemed like Conan really didn't do anything in this episode. He basically solved the whole case through the phone. This was definitely the worst episode I've seen so far.

Oh, I forgot to mention how lame the kidnapper breaking down at the end was. Is every suspect going to break down after they're caught? I mean, it's not like last weeks episode where that guy was planning on stabbing a kid. This guy didn't actually plan to hurt the kid at all.

[TnAdct1]

WTF?! The clue wasn't a Super Famicom. Why did they show something else. (Oh I figured out what yesterday's console was. It was a SegaCDX. Sega Genesis w/ a build in Sega CD. Figured that out once I saw the Super Famicom.)
I'm trying to figure out the Sega connection myself, but I'm not sure if it's a reference to one of the show's Japanese sponsers or to the company behind the Detective Conan plushies (yes, there's actually some plushie versions of the show's characters, and it will be interesting if Funi decides to bring them over to America).

[Duke]

I have a stupid question. Conan pretended to be Jimmy by standing on some concrete blocks. Never mind the fact that his arms are still way too short and his face is rounder than Jimmy's; how did he simulate the legs moving when he ran away?

EDIT: I just thought of something. Rachel said she & Jimmy were childhood friends, so shouldn't she have seen that Conan looks a lot like Jimmy did when he was a little kid? Imagine if she finds a photo of young Jimmy...

[SamCurt]

I'm trying to figure out the Sega connection myself, but I'm not sure if it's a reference to one of the show's Japanese sponsers or to the company behind the Detective Conan plushies (yes, there's actually some plushie versions of the show's characters, and it will be interesting if Funi decides to bring them over to America).
Detective Conan was more connected to Bandai. All Conan video games in Japan was made by Bandai, even some of them was on their short-lived WonderSwan.

[herbkir]

It would have helped us easy-chair detectives if the ransom notes had been translated. In this case, since the actual appearance of the note was important, a subtitle would have been the way to go with an ellipsis at the beginning to indicate an incomplete sentence. (Since this is a Japanese show, I'm not surprised by problems with visual clues that are apparent to Japanese viewers but problematic for us Westerners.)

Otherwise, a good episode, especially since Conan didn't have to use some totally unbelievable trick to present the crime solution. The fax/phone lunchbox was a clever gadget. (Futuristic cutting edge in 1996 Japan, now $49.95 at Radio Shack, food not included.) Solving the case over the phone? Priceless. Jimmy the telecommuting detective!

It was funny to see the shock on everyone's face when the girl said she was Jimmy's GF. And the scene where Rachel thought she had a two-timing Jimmy cornered in the bathroom was great. Gawd, I wouldn't want Rachel mad at me.

Ratings indicate that the fears that this show would be an utter flop were unfounded. It's doing pretty good so far, and heading in the right direction. (^_*)

[lostrune]

And it's not a soccer overload without Manchester United.

BTW, Thanks for the interesting info lostrune

Yeah, the Reds even have their own channel. And you're welcome. :)


OMG! no hint!? what am i going to do!? :O

Heheh. That's because the next episode was originally a 60-minute special. :)


Authenticity is one thing, but in this episode it REALLY would've helped to have either English subtitles or redone text for the ransom notes. The messages were key to the mystery and they needed reinforcement. I couldn't keep track.

Yeah, I'll have to re-check on those text, so I'll just do my "Deep Thoughts" later than usual.

As I previously mentoined, I was wondering what they'd do with those Japanese notes important in the episode. No subtitles and no English overlays, so I'll have to check what their explanation again.... :shrug:


Looks more like the NES Dragon Quest or perhaps the NES Final Fantasy, which makes sense since this series was in the '80s.

I'm not sure when the manga started, but the TV series started only around '95 or '96.

[GameBrain]

I'm afraid I just don't understand this show. How could this show have ever lasted beyond a third season? Perhaps I'm too used to the standard 26-episode anime series, but I prefer some development to go with my gimmick. I mean, sure these little mini-mysteries are kinda fun. I was huge those sorts of things back in the day (Encyclopedia Brown, Clue, etc). However, the episodic nature makes them go stale real quick. I think it would be more interesting the show had Conan actively trying to find out who his assailants were. A clue here, a tip there, an invoice of a mysterious chemical somewhere. Y'know a little something every five episodes or so, with a big two-parter where Conan has enough information for a confrontation or near-confrontation with his query. The writers could have even tried to make it into a mystery that the viewers could eventually solve.

...I had a point when I started, but now I've lost it...
Push, Nevada. Best. Mystery. Series. Ever.

[fearlessleader7]

I liked this episode. I'll give it an A+

[SirLemming]

I'm not sure when the manga started, but the TV series started only around '95 or '96.Yeah, I was starting to wonder about the validity of my statement after I made it. I kinda just guessed. I thought someone said the '80s before.

[Duke]

I'm afraid I just don't understand this show. How could this show have ever lasted beyond a third season? Perhaps I'm too used to the standard 26-episode anime series, but I prefer some development to go with my gimmick. I mean, sure these little mini-mysteries are kinda fun. I was huge those sorts of things back in the day (Encyclopedia Brown, Clue, etc). However, the episodic nature makes them go stale real quick. I think it would be more interesting the show had Conan actively trying to find out who his assailants were. A clue here, a tip there, an invoice of a mysterious chemical somewhere. Y'know a little something every five episodes or so, with a big two-parter where Conan has enough information for a confrontation or near-confrontation with his query. The writers could have even tried to make it into a mystery that the viewers could eventually solve.

...I had a point when I started, but now I've lost it...
Push, Nevada. Best. Mystery. Series. Ever.
However, by doing it based on random mysteries, like Sherlock Holmes and 99% of mystery shows in the U.S., it enables the viewer to be drawn in and allows the creators to make an infinite number of mysteries. Hence, the reason why we're almost to 400 episodes. (God, even if FUNi does 7 episodes a DVD, this series will need a bookcase for itself once it's finished!)

[herbkir]

From what I've read from other DC/CC fans, there will be future episodes involving Conan finding clues to the meta-mystery of his shrinking, including confrontations with the Black Organization's members. (^_*)

[SirLemming]

However, by doing it based on random mysteries, like Sherlock Holmes and 99% of mystery shows in the U.S., it enables the viewer to be drawn in and allows the creators to make an infinite number of mysteries. Hence, the reason why we're almost to 400 episodes. (God, even if FUNi does 7 episodes a DVD, this series will need a bookcase for itself once it's finished!)Yeah, they'd better not skimp on the DVDs. Even Inuyasha is an immense rip-off with only 3 or 4 episodes per disc, but Case Closed has something like 3 times as many episodes and it would be even worse.

I hope anime DVD makers start taking a hint from American TV show DVD makers, and start treating their shows more as collections than individual discs. In other words, they gotta pack each disc to the fullest...
If they can get four 45-minute episodes of Deep Space 9 on one disc, surely they can fit 6 episodes minumum, 8 episodes maximum, of an anime on one disc. A show as long as Case Closed needs to be treated as sets, not individual DVDs.

[lostrune]

OK, I decided to do this rather than go to sleep first so....

1. Heh, originally, Det. Moore was even more shrewd. When the girl said she's going out with Jimmy, Moore wondered whether Jimmy was just faking on the difficult case in order to date the girl. Then later, he asked the girl if they've done more than kiss.... ;) :anime:

2. Obviously, the names were changed. But if you can read the written kanji, you'd know their real names. :D


3. OK, here's how the case was solved:

a. Originally, the note said "--brother revive me." Conan deduced that the 2 dots corresponded to the soccer-friend's name, so that the whole note should've said "I'm going to the place of [Nicholas]-brother to revive me." (Recall, in Japanese, they call their elders honorifics. Nicholas is an older "family" friend, so the boy calls him --brother.")

b. In the dub, the note said "--brother revive Matthias," which Conan then deduced to "I'm going to Nicholas's to revive Matthias." I'm not sure what happened to the "--brother" part though. :shrug:

So that's the story on that. Yeah, it got confusing in the dub because the "--brother" part just vanished suddenly.


4. With that done, the other thing that actually bothers me more is how the dub is being "less connected to its feminine side." :D
I mean, its being more macho about Rachel's feeling for Conan, instead of sharing its feelings like a girl. Here are 4 instances:

a. When Conan on the toilet told Rachel he has to talk to her on the phone, originally he said it's because it's "only for you," so Rachel's feelings go a-flutter. In the dub, it's because it's "important" - sure, Rachel can get the same feelings, but it's less... romantic, I guess. :sweat:

b. When Rachel got Conan cornered at the alley, originally she was crying saying something like "why was the girl crying [for you at the phone] when I'm supposed to be the one crying." :o

c. When Dr. Agasa told Rachel that Jimmy ran away all red-faced, originally Rachel paused to take that to heart, repeating "all red-faced?" :anime:

d. Lastly, at the end, the thing that the girl took a while to explain to Rachel 3 times, in the dub, it was about Jimmy solving the case. But originally, it was about that there was truly nothing between her and Jimmy - Rachel wouldn't believe all of it till she explained it many times and it still took for Rachel to believe 3 days! :eek:

Y'see, the dub doesn't wanna get too mooshy like that. :D


5. Oh yeah, to repeat, the next ep is supposed to be a 60-min special, that's why there's no hint. But if you must know, originally at the end of today's ep, the hint was "musical score." :cool:

[Perfect Cell]

much better episode... Conan solved it by himself without Richard Moores help... plus the whole Rachel thing was spiffy... Awesome overall

[Bandit]

Detective Conan has kept me watching Adult Swim weekdays. FUNI has really done a good job with this show, except for the ridiculous name changes. If I was telling my friends about this show, "Detective Conan" sounds MUCH cooler than "Case Closed" - which (even though it may be... it's on Adult Swim though, so let's just say the US demographic is adults) sounds like a kids' show.

I have really been enjoying Detective Conan and hope that the series gets a full run on Adult Swim (even though it's not even over in Japan yet)

Meh.. after reading the post 1 post above mine, I suppose FUNI's english script could be better...

[Bandit]

Something about Cowboy Bebop that was so good was that it was truly episodic in nature. This is why it was so popular - a viewer could tune in to any single episode and not feel as if they were left behind or as if they were missing something.

Conan also retains this quality and that is one reason why I think it has the potential to garner more ratings than your typical Adult Swim anime like Blue Gender or WHR.

On the other hand, FMA is NOT episodic by any means. In fact, out of the 34 episodes that have aired, only 1 or 2 could stand by themselves, and even then, they are part of the full story. If a viewer tunes in in the middle of the series, they will feel horribly, completely left out. This may be FMA's downfall. However, the production quality of FMA is beautiful, the story is interesting, and you couldn't ask for better character interaction or development. I just hope that viewers, if they tune in in the middle, get the idea of going to the internet to find out what happened before whatever episode they watch and NOT just discard it.

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/what.gif


He was your WHAT?!!!


Not much of a case to talk about this episode. Actually it was more like two mini cases tied together. The first mini-mystery was this girl claiming to be Jimmy's girlfriend. The second one was the kidnapping of that child.

Like how other posters already stated the second one was tough since the Japanese text gave a big hint about the identity of the kidnapper. Oh well, at least I had a bunch of laughs watching Rachel get all jealous and using her various Karate moves. Rachel got those kicks (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/kick.jpg) and punches down! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/punch.jpg) That girl looks nasty (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/rachel.jpg) when she is angry!

I agree that game Conan played strongly resembles Dragon Quest (Dragon Warrior for the US). That info screen screams (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/dragonquest.jpg) DQ. I really wish I could hook up my old DQ 4 game and post a screen cap as comparison. Will give it a try tomorrow :sweat:

BTW about the game system being different from the hint. Maybe the animators wanted to advertise both game systems on the show :D

I have a stupid question. Conan pretended to be Jimmy by standing on some concrete blocks. Never mind the fact that his arms are still way too short and his face is rounder than Jimmy's; how did he simulate the legs moving when he ran away?
Yeah that was frigging weird what his shadow did (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/shadowplay.jpg) when he ran away. Oh well. More of the shows quirky logic I guess.


EDIT: I just thought of something. Rachel said she & Jimmy were childhood friends, so shouldn't she have seen that Conan looks a lot like Jimmy did when he was a little kid? Imagine if she finds a photo of young Jimmy...Good point there. Hmm, this could be the reason why Conan panicked and scrambled for a pair of glasses when Rachel first saw him in his kid form. If she did find a photo of young Jimmy, that should freak her out even more :)

Favorite scenes: The scene in the GIF above and when Rachel imagined Jimmy kissing another girl. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/pan.jpg) I had some problems putting that pan together. Oops.

[shinji7162]

I'm really liking these Detective Conan episodes this week....

Anyway, next episode coming up-- the Moonlight Sonata Murder Case-- was initially an hour long special in Japan. Funimation is breaking this episode up into two half hour "parter" segments, which they are calling episodes "11" and "12". (They should really be called episode "11A" and "11B".)

Thank goodness for VCRs and other video recording equipment. I will be recording the first part tonight, but not watch it until after I record the second part on the next night. Then on Friday morning, I will watch both parts off the VCR so that I can get a similar viewing experience in watching this episode as originally intended-- the hour long sitting.

Don't worry, the other two parters in this 52 episode American "season" were two parters in Japan as well.

[tucsoncoyote]

Back again for another Round of Case Closed, and Tonight I thought the episode was supposed to be called Deadly Game.. (But instead we find out it's a Kidnapping and Extortion Plot (of sorts)).

Now first off the real shocker was the fact that Rachel thought the young lady coming to talk to her father and her was Jimmy's Boyfriend..(The shocked looks by Rachel and her father set up the first mystery..(Where's Jimmy? It's like a great game of Where's Waldo?)

But the real twist here is the fact when we walk into an apartment and already Jimmy (er Conan) was starting to note discrepencies..MAJOR discrepencies (like why all the shoes were for men and boys (and not a Single shoe for a woman?) and then we see the girl start playing off wondering where Jimmy is while Rachel gets more peeved by the moment of her rival
who she thinks is pining over Jimmy.

But what really gets going is the fact when the soccer game starts and one of the top players starts to make mistakes, that things start screaming at me.. Kidnapping and Extortion plot.. but why? (Then we figure out about Mathias, and that his Older Brother is the soccer player. So who's behind the kiddnapping? and the threat of killing Mathias if his brother didn't throw the game..(And it's RIGHT there that the whole plot goes really south.. To Conan this is a walk in the park, when he figures out the clues quickly and sees who the Kidnapper REALLY is..)

Of course another good guessing game but this one you could smell wasn't going to involve murder but more of a Jealousy plot..(Ah yes Jealousy..the motivator that drives humans to do unspeakable acts..(Like kidnapping and extortion..)

but I digress... Rachel in the Meantime is playing "Where in the Apartment is Jimmy?" and finally corners Him (er Conan) in the bathroom...Trapped Conan pulls a few cunning tricks and escapes.. but he also has figured that a Rival player who's been out most of the season is behind the plot..(BUT WHY???!!!)

Anyway the plot comes together so quick, it's over before it gets started..The player (Nicholas) really Wasn't going to kill Mathias, Just return him after the game was over, and the team had lost and then go away for a While..(STUPID IDEA for a Soccer Player!)

and all of this over a stupid game of soccer (Well not a Stupid Game as this was the Finals..) but if Nicholas had done it to extort money or to win a wager by a bookie, I could understand why he did it, but just to say he was better then Mathias' Brother?? *Oh Yeah Real Bright* .. but when the story was told.. The plot fell flat faster then a deflating soccerball.)

But the saving grace of this episode is that we see that Jimmy (er Conan) still cares about Rachel.. Perhaps in the future he will tell her, but right now he's going to have his hands full..(with his next Case..)

Bottom line on this one.. Except for the kidnapping plot, the idea was indeed sound, but sadly the major kidnapping plot made th thing fall flatter then a cake in an earthquake.

Over all score for Deadly Game: C Minus, As this whole idea could have been better but sadly it wasn't.. and this just supports a theory about Sports and Cartoons..

(*Holds Up a "Red Card" at Writers for Bumbling this Plot!*)

(Writers, Hit the showers for this Ep! You've been ejected!)

Never put in a Jealous Player to do the work of someone wanting to throw a game on account of Jealousy.

:coyote:

[kaine23]

The girl reminded me of Molly/Naru from Sailor Moon at first too.

[TnAdct1]

Otherwise, a good episode, especially since Conan didn't have to use some totally unbelievable trick to present the crime solution. The fax/phone lunchbox was a clever gadget. (Futuristic cutting edge in 1996 Japan, now $49.95 at Radio Shack, food not included.) Solving the case over the phone? Priceless. Jimmy the telecommuting detective!
If you like that method of Conan solving the case (calling on the phone and using his bowtie to explain the solution as his true self, Jimmy Kudo), then you'll like the first movie, as a major plot point involves a case that Conan solved before he took the shrinking drug, and its affect with the case that appears in the film.

[randi]

Sadly I knew the girl wasn't really Jimmys girl friend but that was a easy one. I was looking at the Detective Conan epsoide lists Here (http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-18537) and I looked through some cases and found out a few.

[Aquadementia]

My first impression was the girl may be some kind of stalker, remember those fan letters Jimmy had in episode one?

Thanks for the info lostrune. When I saw the ransom note in Japanese, I decide to just give it a pass. They kind of dumbed down Rachel, making her out to be an over emotional woman who can't think strait when she has a boy on her mind.

The whole hiring Detective Moore to find a better detective, well if I was Richard I'd be a bit insulted. I'm wondering what she did to find Jimmy before that. Did she go to his house, write him a letter, leave a phone message, send a fax? He or the Doctor should be picking up any messages left at his old place.

The lunch box fax. Funny how so many people had fax machines in the 90's. But this raises a problem for Conan, whatt does he do for lunch? All options make him look suspicious or he goes hungry. Ok,going hungry is suspicious too, since he has a lunch box. What if Rachel makes him a lunch?

The romance. The version lostrune gave us was better.I feel sory for Jimmy, he didn't even realize he had a girlfriend until he got shrunk. The scene in the ally was nice, but Rachel must feel like she is being jerked around.

[Deadly Messiah]

Week 3? When did it start?

[The Landstander]

Week 3? When did it start?.......2 weeks ago.

[DemonKrowno]

first i thought that Jimmy and a forgotten fling with her,but then later when she didn't know where the stuff was in the kitchen looking around and that room was ransacked,and the lock was forced open and only kid's and men's shoes at the entryway,i figured she was insane and had stormed in and killed the family and just was doing crazy stuff....think the episode'd of been better that way but,hey was still great XD

[Mr_Millions]

Ah, it's election time. Vote Schumacher- he's for the fisherman, proletariate of the seas.

Seedy politics, always a breeding ground for a good mystery. I have a feeling one or more of the candidates is responsible for if not the initial burning death (if he is indeed dead), than Kirkpatric's death (yes, I can see the obvious).

Additionally, unless I can't actually read, Casper is the actual name (edit- the fact that the note was in english on a Japanese show just hit me. Maybe I can't see the obvious).

Ack! Seawater! Look for a video tape! Oh, darn, a rational explaination.

It's cool to see that Conan is pointing out thing on his own, without using stun guns or "childish observations"-he's being a serious detective

Well, that was quite an episode. Now that I have a whole 24 hours to think about the case...it won't make a difference. And once again, we are without a hint. Drat.

Must...stop...blog method...of...posting

P.S. Does anyone know what the original jokes about Moore were?

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Wow really great episode tonight, this two parter(which was of course originally one long episode) is really good stuff. Personally, I think it was the Doctor chick who did it, but I have 23.5 hours to wait in order to find out if I'm right.

[Youko Recca]

Ditto. I think the guy from the Aburame Clan did it.

[randi]

Tonights was pretty good for a two part epsoide. I thought it was the bald guy but he died so now I think its either the carzy man or the lady with the red dress. Still no hint which is odd. All well. This one is one of the hardest. I doubt I get it right but who knows.

[Nin-Nin69]

I figured this one out already.

Casper Austin never died in that fire. He happen to be living undercover and posed as the humble police officer that has been helping out Conan and the gang. He has a personal grunge against the politics on the island and wants to take revenge on them for killing his family.

Oh and that guy by the window, I bet he was just one of the mayor's canidates snooping around to see if there what was going down.

BTW Sampo, if you're reading this, can you get a screenshot of Casper Austin and the Police Officer. They look the same besides age differnce.

[TnAdct1]

At this moment, I'm leaning towards Dr. Adams as the killer. Not only is she the least likely person to suspect when it comes to who the killer is, but also her comment about "powdering up" before being questioned could suggest that during that time, she committed the second murder.

Also, considering how Lostrune (I think it was him/her) mentioned that this was the episode's hint, I have a feeling that the sheet music will be the clue that will reveal who the killer is.

Now, for two questions concerning tonight's episode:

1. Is it just me, or does Dr. Adams have a Southern accent (possible Osakan in the original Japanese version?)?
2. Did anyone else have the urge to sing "Schroeder" from "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown" whenever the Moonlight Sonata was played?

[herbkir]

It's either the not-dead Caspar Austin who's masquerading as the island's constable, or its the lady doctor who's gonna be a relative of Austin's who is determined to get revenge for his death.

Still trying to figure out the meaning of the musical score with the mistakes in it and how that'll be important in nailing the killer. Also, Conan is asserting himself. Smart kid, claiming he's copying Richard. Meanwhile, the dead bodies are falling like rain. Until tomorrow, kiddies. Same AS time, same AS channel. (^_*)

[SamCurt]

1. Is it just me, or does Dr. Adams have a Southern accent (possible Osakan in the original Japanese version?)?ORIKASA Ai (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=417) does not have an Osakan accent.


...and it seemed the plot was changed a little...

[SirLemming]

Boy, this is a fun show. As if the one-parters weren't good enough.

They kind of dumbed down Rachel, making her out to be an over emotional woman who can't think strait when she has a boy on her mind.Perhaps, but she was also pretty clever to notice that her voice was being doubled in the phone down the hall.

[fearlessleader7]

Tonight's episode was great! I can't wait until tomorrow's episode. I'll give it an A+

[Happy]

Man, I can't take two parters, this show is very addictive. I would have suspected the Doctor (who has served no real purpose in the episode) but she was with them when the person was looking in the window. Also I am the only one to dislike the name things under each character, they are way too large for the screen.

edit- Or maybe it was Rachel who saw the guy in the window, they really look similar to me.

[Wounded_Dragon]

It's either the not-dead Caspar Austin who's masquerading as the island's constable, or its the lady doctor who's gonna be a relative of Austin's who is determined to get revenge for his death.

Still trying to figure out the meaning of the musical score with the mistakes in it and how that'll be important in nailing the killer. Also, Conan is asserting himself. Smart kid, claiming he's copying Richard. Meanwhile, the dead bodies are falling like rain. Until tomorrow, kiddies. Same AS time, same AS channel. (^_*)
If it's the lady doctor I'm going to be disappointed. It's rather blatant that she had the opportunity.

Musical score....I hope it's not some key to opening a secret compartment in the piano. That would be a bit much.

[tucsoncoyote]

Alright after last night's fiasco with Deadly Game, The Moonlight Sonata Murder mystery (Part 1) is perhaps the best case to come down the pike in Case Closed (or even animted or Live action shows) history. This chinese finger puzzle involves at least half a dozen suspects and in fact it's anyone's guess who it could be.. But I've already got a fairly good idea of who it could be After all I'm great at playing CLUE!.(But I'll "Spoilerize it.")

Interesting story, great ideas, and Conan is being great on his feet. but he's just behind the curve on both these murders... But here comes My analyzation of the murders and let's compare notes..after all good detectives work in pairs.. and Me and Conan (aka Jimmy) would piece this together real quick!:D

*Dons Sherlock Holmes Hat*

Now for that Spoilerization...

I have to agree that the Old Geezer Constable is Casper Austin, and in fact the Doctor (Nadia Adams) is in fact Casper Austin's Daughter (who actually did survive the fire along with her father.) the main guy who is behind all this though is Mr. Kevin Hadley, the assistant to the (now deceased) mayor, Theodore Kinsella.

Now the main question is Why are they dying? Easy Casper Austin wanted to keep the island pristine and free of fishermen (Like Steve Mulholland) from doing their business on Moonlight Island. But Cavenaugh, Kinsella, and Matthew Schumacher, Along with Kirkpatrick ( who later became the Mayor) wanted business on the Island, and they would stop at nothing to get it at all costs, so they went to Capser to try and persuade him to allow business to come to the island, Casper Austin refused and so they (Cavenaugh, Kirkpatrick, Schumacher, and Kinsella) tried to kill Casper and his family, Thus removing the remaining Stumbling block to this whole problem.

But Casper was way smarter and he and his daughter (Nadia Austin, who later changed her name to Nadia Adams), escaped the fire.

Time Passed and Nadia Adams grew up to become a Doctor in the City and was a Part time resident of the island starting at a time 2 years previous to the start of the story. However Nadia could see the evil coning in the form of the Corrupt mayors including Mayor Kinsella and the first murder victim, Mayor Kirkpatrick, who wanted to bring some sort of business in, most notably the fishing industry. So she decided to off people one by one.. The first Victim, (Mayor Kirkpatrick) who died 2 years earlier, was poisoned by her..(Only a skilled doctor who knew about medications, could kill a victim and make it look like a heart attack). However Mr. Kinsella's assistant Mr. Kevin Hadley, Stumbled onto the Kirkpatrick murder. Mr Steven Cavenaugh, however still wanted to proceed with bringing in the fishermen along with Kinsella and Schumacher, and ruining the island..

So when Mr Hadley became Mayor Kinsella's Assistant, Nadia went to the Mr. Hadley, and admitted who she really was. She also was the one behind the murder of Mayor Kinsella. (The Now Knifed Mayor at the end of the show after all Kinsella blundered off just after Nadia Left to "freshen up." ) and consulted with him. Kevin Hadley agreed to keep the Kirkpatrick murder under wraps and would spread the myth of her father's cursed piano, in exchange for her hand in marriage.

She in fact fell in love with him, and is in fact both Mr. Hadley, and Miss Adams are going to get married. But Mayor Kinsella was going to spill the beans about the fake death of Casper Austin, and so Nadia went and Knifed him in the back, Literally. (That's where she Disappeared to BEFORE Kinsella walked off to do something. She encountered him Stabbed him in the back then dragged him to the PA room and set up a player before she left rigging it to the door to be switched on when someone opened the door.. Mr. Nicholas after the questioning decided to try and freshen up, but found Mr. Mulholland in the WC (which he didn't like, so he decided to go upstairs and see if he could find a way out.. However he accidentally opened the door to the PA room and turned on the music (The Second Movement of Moonlight sonata) and in shock he fell backward in shock of Mayor Kinsella's Gruesome knifing, it's just then Conan and entourage arrived to find a shocked Nicholas and a Dead Kinsella. (did you notice that when they asked about the Forensic boys to do the research and we find out that they weren't there that Miss Adams just routinely just says, "I'll do the forensics" Without batting an eyelash?

All of the other suspects are red herrings, except for Steve Mulholland, who is the only one who would win in this case, and after Marrying Renee Kinsella, would use his influence to turn Moonlight Island into a Fishery and Cannery. In fact the reason why Miss Adams and Mr. Hadley are killing the Victims are so to remove the potential people who could turn Moonlight into a Trashheap, and thus keep the island pristine and clean. (and Casper Austin would let both Mr. Hadley, and his daughter, Miss Adams, live with him..under an assumed name (and yep he's the Geezer Constable of the island) so in essence after Kinsella is killed the next viable targets are either Renee Kinsella (The Daughter), Mr. Mulholland, (Renee's Fiancee) and then of course Mr. Schumancher (However Schumacher was bought out by Austin and would keep fishing OUT of the town, leaving it pristine as well..(Making Austin and Nadia Happy, and with Mr. Hadley in tow Nadia Adams (Austin) and Kevin Hadley would get married. and Moonlight would be a small community that would have no big business in the place! while Matthew Schumacher made it so..

After all when you remove the obvious, the inobvious no matter how silly or crazy it might seem MUST be the truth!

Ah yes, what a Tangled web this one is.. and believe me I'm not as stumped but the theory I just put out is so plausible it would give Conan AND myself a run for our money. Besides like i said, I'm good at nothing things as well.

Monlight Sonata (Part 1) gets a Major A+ in my book for keeping even me guessing!

Edited Note: I'm definitely Thinking "Outside the Box" on this one!

:coyote:

[Duke]

edit- Or maybe it was Rachel who saw the guy in the window, they really look similar to me.
Conan, Richard, and Rachel saw the guy in the window, but the Dr. was in the room.

I still have no idea who the murderer is or how he/she is getting away with it. It could be the Dr. but it could also be the crazy guy, or it could be a ghost. Hell, at this point, it seems like InuYasha somehow did it. :P

[bigddan11]

Well, I just barely saw the last two episodes due to sleep deprivation and a lack of time yesterday, and I'll say both are great. FUNi is doing a good job wth the series overall, and it looks like Eric Vale is taking the job of head writer in the series. I've seen him credited as a writer in all but 2 episodes, but he's not doing it alone. With all the twists and variations the writers have, then it could become a lot more interesting. Now to the actual episodes:

If Richard Moore is becoming such a big name detective, then why is it Reiana searched for Jimmy instead of him? He must still have too many cases unsolved, which would also explain why his name hasn't reached Moonlight Island. The entire Rachel wanting to hunt down Jimmy plot makes the series very interesting, and it makes me wonder just how long little Conan can keep his identity safe. It's good to see Richard taking Conan more serious. He's realizing that Conan does all the work and just wants to take the credit away. No hints make the episodes even more interesting because you don't have any possible spoilers to be aware of. Overall, I give Deadly Games a B+ and The Case of the Moonlight Sonata Part 1 an A+. Can't wait until tonights episode to see just how the case will be solved.

As for the DVD release, I know this will disgust some of you, but FUNi will be doing just 3 to 4 episodes per DVD. Volume 1 is called Secret Life of Jimmy Kudo, and it contains episodes 1 thru 4. Volume 2 is called Deadly Illusions, and it contains episodes 53 thru 55. Both volumes are due out August 24. Volume 2 isn't the real Volume 2. They are saying they are releasing it to show what is to come past CN's coverage, and then they haven't decided if they will do 1 volume of already seen episodes with 1 volume of new episodes after that, or 2 volumes of already seen episodes unti they catch up.

As for the name change to Case Closed, yes Detective Conan sounds better to me, but I think you'll get some people that watch this show just because of the similiar name to CBS's Closed Case from Jerry Bruckheimer that is in the top 20 shows most watched.

[Sanwich]

*snip* Hell, at this point, it seems like InuYasha somehow did it. :P
Of course! Why didn't I see it before? He came through the well, knocked off a few people, then went back to his own time. His alibi is airtight, him being from the feudal era and all. ;)

Right now, I'm leaning toward the doctor having some involvement in the murder, though there was that person everyone saw through the window. Still, the doctor was apparently the first to examine every victim so far, and she was conveniently missing during the third (?) killing. Of course, this could all just be arranged as a red herring, but there has to be some reason she was introduced to the story. Then there's the other possibility of the pianist not really being dead... Or it could be someone completely different. Ah well. We'll see tonight. o_x

[SirLemming]

Was the ransom note in this episode originally in English, or did they decide to wise up after the last episode and start translating this kind of stuff?
Also I am the only one to dislike the name things under each character, they are way too large for the screen.Yeah, but originally there were large Japanese subtitles there, so FUNimation is covering them up with the English subtitles. To actually somehow remove the original Japanese subtitles would be painstaking and not worth the effort.
Of course, they could conceivably put mini-English subtitles beneath the Japanese ones. I guess they just figure that would look a little awkward.

[randi]

Hum,Sampo hasn't came with the screen shots. Maybe the paino got to him.

[lostrune]

Heh, just wanted to read yaz guys' guesses before writing this. :p

1. Obviously, the Japanese texts and names were changed to English.

2. Man, poor dead body. They just left it there overnight, and everyone was even having a picnic and slumber party around it. :D

3. The chicks in this series keep getting hotter and hotter, donchathink? ;)

4. Yes, I did mention that the hint was "musical score."
With what happened in the previous episode, I wonder how they'd handle this one - not once but twice, as we'll see. :sweat:

5. Reading some of yaz responses, I'll just say a few of yaz guys may be very close - there are more than one mystery here, folks. :p
(But ya guys would need more clues, which would be in the 2nd part.)


It's cool to see that Conan is pointing out thing on his own, without using stun guns or "childish observations"-he's being a serious detective

Oh oh.... :sweat:


P.S. Does anyone know what the original jokes about Moore were?

The original jokes? :D
The detective's surname is Mori. There's a famous Japanese astronaut, the first to go to space with NASA, named Mori. There's also a detective novel by another Mori, IIRC.


After all when you remove the obvious, the inobvious no matter how silly or crazy it might seem MUST be the truth!

Wow, you wrote up a whole thesis there. :D

BTW, it was: once you eliminate the impossible, what ever is left -how ever improbable- must be the truth! :)


If Richard Moore is becoming such a big name detective, then why is it Reiana searched for Jimmy instead of him?

Recall, Jimmy was all over the news in the first episode? The highschool genius is still more well-known than Det. Moore, especially among highschool girls. :anime:


Yeah, but originally there were large Japanese subtitles there, so FUNimation is covering them up with the English subtitles. To actually somehow remove the original Japanese subtitles would be painstaking and not worth the effort.
Of course, they could conceivably put mini-English subtitles beneath the Japanese ones. I guess they just figure that would look a little awkward.

The original Japanese subtitles already covered up half the screen (even giving out more trivial info like their ages). There are no more space to put mini-subtitles below.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

Something I'm not getting here. Why is it the girl couldn't find the tea etc.:confused:

[randi]

Something I'm not getting here. Why is it the girl couldn't find the tea etc.:confused:
Yeah the epsoide I didn't understand because it was like the door was forced open all the shoes were men and boys she couldn't find it tea. It was all confusing.

[Tapout]

Did it ever explain who that girl was? She obviously didn't live with them because of the men's shoes and not knowing where anything is, but she had access to the place. Maybe she was the kidnapper's/injured guy's girlfriend or something.

[tucsoncoyote]

Did it ever explain who that girl was? She obviously didn't live with them because of the men's shoes and not knowing where anything is, but she had access to the place. Maybe she was the kidnapper's/injured guy's girlfriend or something.
Maybe but very unlikely there Dirtbag, after all if she really knew the kidnapper, then she would have helped with the kidnapping. but because she didn't know the kidnapper that well (after all they had to question her about Nicholas (the Kidnapper_ and Mathias (The kidnapee) it seems highly unlikely should would know much about it unless it was told to her by her true boyfriend (who is the scoocer player..and Mathias' brother..) ergo, that's the reason..

As for the tea? Well she's probably not been over to the apartment that much so it could ahve been that Mathais' Brother knows where the tea is but she didn't know where it was..(See you pick up on these things real quick..)

:coyote:

[tucsoncoyote]

Wow, you wrote up a whole thesis there. :D

BTW, it was: once you eliminate the impossible, what ever is left -how ever improbable- must be the truth! :)That's true about the Second Statement there, lostrune, but as for the thesis, I give my talents to watching too much Ellery Queen Mysteries and 1960's Batman, viewing too many Sherlock Holmes movies, watching Too much Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century, and playing way too many games of Clue.. after all , all of this does sharpen the mind to pick up even on the little things, like voice tone inflection, and certain events.. after all you have to observe things very carefully to pick up on where things are going..and you know what? I love this series, cause it causes even me from time to time to test my deductive reasoning skills.

:coyote:

[lostrune]

Something I'm not getting here. Why is it the girl couldn't find the tea etc.:confused:

She doesn't live there. Probably just a family friend or a next-door neighbor who was given spare keys or maybe someone whom the soccer star asked for help while he goes along with the kidnapper's demand. :shrug:


TucsonCoyote, let's see how your thesis holds up tonight. :)

[Scott Duvall]

There is only one explantion here, THE PIANO IS ALIVE AND IT'S EVIL!!!!!!
AND MOON LIGHT SONATA IS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL!!!!!

[Master Moron]

I'm surprised no one has suspected the daughter's boyfriend yet. I was wondering why that bald guy got such a startled look on his face when he found out a detective was there. I thought maybe his daughter is involved in something and he was worried about it. I'm thinking either his daughter or her boyfriend are trying to cover something up. But, it's only a hunch, I also suspect the nurse, if only because no one in the actual show suspects her.

[Mr_Millions]

I'm surprised no one has suspected the daughter's boyfriend yet.
Yeah. Actually, I started to today. When I was driving to Wendy's for lunch, I realized that he was coming out of the bathroom as Conan arrived to ask about the Freaked-Out Guy (tm), who had just left. I thought that he might have been in there washing off the evidence. He could have killed his soon to bee Father-in-Law, passed the FOG in the hall, and gone into the bathroom. That, and he always seems to have his hands in his pockets.

Going on lostrue's "there are more than one mystery here, folks." I figure he killed the bald man (i really need to learn the names) in that way to throw suspicion off of himself. That doesn't explain the first murder, though.

Darn you Conan! I shouldn't have to think about TV shows!

[randi]

Has anyone noticed that Sampo hasn't came with the screen shots.

[tucsoncoyote]

TucsonCoyote, let's see how your thesis holds up tonight. :)
In the Immortal words of Judge Mills Laine...

LET's GET IT ON!:D :D :D

I'm still going to my guns on this one.. Let's just say I have a "Gut Feeling"
(Usually when I get one of those Lostrune, I'm right about 80% of the time..

(Hey you should see me forecast the weather!) :D :D :D

:coyote:

[Aquadementia]

I don't have much from last night, good show though.
I got theories but there all weak.
A few things I noticed.
The Doctor did a good job filling them in on who everyone was, until Richard stopped her. Kind of gave me a laugh.
She also spends her weekends in town. Interesting? We'll see.
I don't know about Conan's explanation for the crime. How do you drown someone without getting soaked or leaving towels everywhere? Even Moving him would be wet work.
This is the 3rd time a butcher knife was used. I don't know why this bothers me, but with the sick-o holding the kid, I thought he was going to stab him, but he was holding the knife with the blade up, which would have been more appropriate if he was going to slit his throat. And it was the same way with the guy who fell off the chair, if some one would have stabbed him, they would have had to be holing the knife sharp side up. That's not how I would normally hold a knife.
But the last guy got stabbed the way I would have done it.
My experiments show that.... YOU KNOW NOTHING. Keep your mouth shut.


Did it ever explain who that girl was? She obviously didn't live with them because of the men's shoes and not knowing where anything is, but she had access to the place. Maybe she was the kidnapper's/injured guy's girlfriend or something.Now this may be something that didn't match up. I thought she was a girlfriend of the hero soccer star. She must have spent a good deal of time with the kid to know his video game habits, yet she had a hard time finding the spoons?

[Juu-kuchi]

Dammit, because of all the people watching the televisions here, I have to miss the ending. One of you has to tell it to me. :mad:

[Youko Recca]

It better not be someone obvious...I swear it better be a surprise.

[Juu-kuchi]

Holy crap it's a guy!!!

I actually had time to watch it after all. ^_^;

[Mr_Millions]

Ok, I give up, I'll just type as I watch.

Finally, Conan got on Moore's nerves and was sent packing from a crime scene.

A message in the music, eh? Pretty clever. Good thing Conan knows english.

Narcotics! These crimes are getting less and less mystical.

So, Hadlay's a pusher, eh?

Well, I'm glad Conan knows who the murderer is, because I'm close to clueless (close to because now I suspect Hadlay, but that's too obvious. Though he is obviously shifty)

NO! NOT AGAIN! DARN YOU WATCH AND BOWTIE! Feh.

So it is the Doctor? Feh. At least there's a twist. And it is a big twist.
And again, the killer realizes that he is tainted and becomes that which he hated.

Quite an episode, that one.

edit- Ha! The closing card mentions the original name! "You'd think they'd just call it Detective Conan"

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Well, I was right about the killer, although I didn't know any of the other stuff period. I figured out the one guy was involved with the drug dealings, but that was pretty obvious. Really great episode, I'm loving this show more and more every moment.

[randi]

It was a good espoide. I was wrong again. I wasn't really listening to it near the end so I don't understand how a she was a guy or whatever it was. Still no hint but I think the next espoide was like finding Amy more than a case.

[Samurai]

I knew it was the doctor, and I swear I'm not lying to you, but something made me think it was a guy in the back of my head from the beginning. I don't know if I should be creeped out that I thought that, but I did...

[Rabi~en~Rose]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I thought for sure it was the mayors aide guy :( though he is guilty of something so yay for me :(

[Youko Recca]

Oh yes...but I wish they gave us more to play with. I originally thought it was shades and then whaddaya know?...someone owns him and you have a Bishounen going undercover to get some much needed consolation. Simon didn't look all that strong...perhaps studied as a ninja for awhile?..who knows he was swift. Best case yet but the full hour thing probally helped.

[Duke]

OK, I was NOT expecting the doctor to be a guy.

He had a sex change? ...

I'm freaked out right now. That was quite possibly the best episode yet. No wonder it got an hour-long special.

Next episode looks sweet too, with not only Amy being in danger, but the introduction of Conan's skateboard.

[Killtacular]

FYI, the case of the disappearing hint cards is not FUNi simply chopping them out. Moonlight Sonata Murder and many other arcs in this show were TV Specials, and as such had no hint attached. So technically the Conan's Hint for Kidnapped: Amy would've shown up in Festival Fiasco, but obviously FUNi didn't want to confuse people, so they snipped it out.

[Chuquita]

I knew it!! I knew it was the doctor! I could tell since she said yesterday she'd just been on the island for around 2 years commuting back and forth. And then how they kept dismissing her from being questioned. And how she was "coincidentally" there to examine each of the corpses.

But the fact that she was a HE came out of nowhere! I thought maybe there might have been someone helping her commit the murders when Conan mentioned that the murder would need to have a lot of strength.

Great case, I enjoyed this. Really luvin this show... :D

[randi]

Next episode looks sweet too, with not only Amy being in danger, but the introduction of Conan's skateboard.
Don't forget the walky talky thing. It was in Conan's hand in the little sence.

[DemonKrowno]

3. The chicks in this series keep getting hotter and hotter, donchathink? ;)

um...uh..ohyeah! yeah..they uh...they sure are?...XD

i thought it was her...er,him at first,but as it went on i figured they were trying to get you to think it was the doc but yeah :O

fantastic episode,bumed he had to resort to the same old trick again BUT he spiced it up a bit agian too! soooo it's even

[Happy]

edit- Ha! The closing card mentions the original name! "You'd think they'd just call it Detective Conan"The least they could have done was edit "Detective Conan" out of the endings, that makes it just too obvious that the name was changed.

[Mr. Pedro]

I sorta had the Doc pegged as the murderer (It's always the nice, unassuming character that committs the crime for some reason on this show).

However, I wasn't expecting the Doc to be.........well, a dude!

But it was still a good end for this two-parter. Robert smacking Conan became a little too repetitive and just came off as kinda harsh. And the bow tie tranquilizer is getting old, but these two episodes worked really well. The twists in the case put it over the top IMO.

Grade for both eps:A

[shoujoaifan]

Well, its nice they didn't show Simon in a bad light for posing as the opposite sex to get revenge (NOT that I'm saying I'm or they were condoning murder!)


I was bummed when they went with the depressing route (should've seen it coming, being an hour long ep in Japan and 2 parter on AS, should've know they'll go with more of a dramatic punch than usual ).

Like most of the mysteries, I couldn't figure it out, but this was a doosy.

I had my suspions, thinking it would be an ironic "twist" that's quite common with having the first pianist come back, having not really died ( BUT everything is influenced by something else, be it other works, life, or nature )

I was thinking maybe:

1. I could CLAIM I thought it might be the doc, but can't prove it :D Coming there a few years ago, checking out the bodies.

2.That it might have been the goofy polic officer, who wearing glasses and having gray hair could've been the pianist in disguise, not really dead, kept messing up the scenes before forensics arrived, conviently forgeting the pianist's papers at the police station.

3. The boyfriend who also had glasses, which could've beena disguised.

Nice to see the two guys with glasses didn't do it, wish it could be the same for everyone, but then there wouldn't be any culprit then :p

[herbkir]

Hah! I thought it was the doctor doing it because of being Casper's relative, but the twist of the lady doctor turning out to be his son was one I missed. The "knock out Richard" thing was handled plausibly if you assume a 2-way PA system. And there were 2 mysteries: One was drug dealing and the other murder. Really good episode and a challenging mystery. Score a big one for Conan.

And the ending card, note it was signed [Adult XXXX Lawyers] (^_*)

[SirLemming]

Great episode...

Like many people here I suspected the doctor at first, but... by the end of the episode I suspected pretty much EVERYONE, so it was still hard to figure out. So I wasn't bummed out by that. There were more red herrings here than in... the giant goblet of a vampire who uses fish as vitamin pills.

...

I thought it was kind of funny how Jimmy was able to read the coded messages so quickly, but I guess that's just good TV. It's unrealistic, but it'd be just plain boring if we had to sit there waiting for him to decode every message.


NO! NOT AGAIN! DARN YOU WATCH AND BOWTIE! Feh.That's what I thought at first, but it wasn't so bad because he actually did the voice over the PA, instead of doing the chair thing again. There was nothing unbelievable about it.

The least they could have done was edit "Detective Conan" out of the endings, that makes it just too obvious that the name was changed.Well, considering what they said in that commercial bumper, it seems to me like they don't mind acknowledging the name change since they'd rather not have done it in the first place.


And the ending card, note it was signed [Adult XXXX Lawyers] (^_*)No, it was [stupid ----ing lawyers].

[TnAdct1]

OK, I was NOT expecting the doctor to be a guy.

He had a sex change? ...
Actually, he's kinda like Momiji and Ritsu from Fruits Basket: he is a boy, however, by the way he looks and the outfit he wears, he resembles a girl. (Yeah, Nuriko from Fushigi Yuugi is a better example, but I thought it would fun to make a Funi reference).

As for the case, I had a feeling that the doctor was the murderer in Part 1. However, when it's revealed that the murderer was a man, I didn't even think about the doctor being male and thought that would be one of the remaining two male suspects, with the doctor's true gender being a major twist.

[Don_East]

I got to get this off my chest about my reaction about the guy/gal who committed the murders in this two parter. OH GOD, OH GOD, I THOUGHT THE DOCTOR WAS HOT. BUT THEN SHE TURNED TO BE A GUY. OH GOD, OH GOD, OH GOD, OH GOD!


Okay on to the review. There was so many twists it makes this two parter look like "Clue". As a matter of fact I bet there's a whole bunch of different endings. The guy writing this should have an award for it's many plot twists.

I give "Moonlight Sonata Murder Case" a A+.



[Don_East]

[Tapout]

Conan uses his stun-gun on Moore again, but this one wasn't quite as bad. We've seen 12 episodes and he's done that at least five times. They have to think of something new every now and again.

OK, I was NOT expecting the doctor to be a guy.

He had a sex change? ...I hope so. It's not gay if there's surgery involved.

[Duke]

Actually, he's kinda like Momiji and Ritsu from Fruits Basket: he is a boy, however, by the way he looks and the outfit he wears, he resembles a girl. (Yeah, Nuriko from Fushigi Yuugi is a better example, but I thought it would fun to make a Funi reference).
And include the fact that I actually know who Momiji is (I haven't seen FY).

[Teek]

That was a good episode, the hour length really gave them a good opportunity to develop the story. Yeah I don't think Simon had a sex change, I think the just dressed like a woman. "Bosom Buddies" gone wrong. ;)

[fearlessleader7]

Great episode! The ending was rather unexpected, but I had guessed it was the doctor before. I'll give this episode an A+

[JDNobodi]

It has been said before, but I'm going to add my two cents.

From an Aerosmith song,

"Dude looks like a lady."

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::o:o:o:o:o:o:o

[lostrune]

OK, explanations:

1. Y'know those piano keys, originally those really did correspond to the Roman alphabet letters, so there's no edit there. However, the notes=letters form the phonetic (romaji) Japanese words, while the dub had them correspond to English words obviously. So don't bother reverse-engineering it from "Jimmy's" explanations. :D

2. As for Nadia/Simon, ya guys know about kanji right? Kanji may have more than one pronunciation. Well originally, the doctor's name could be pronounced one way (male name) as well as another (female name) - there's no furigana instructions on which is the proper one. So the doctor took advantage of that in his personal ID documents (apparently those not specifying gender) to disguise himself. That's why his background checks check out. AFAIK, he didn't go thru a sex-change operation. :sweat:

3. At the very end on the boat scene, originally there shown the text of the doctor's farewell message to Conan. I guess it was erased because it was not only in kanji but also spelled out in romaji (alphabet). Along with the musical note sounds, it could have made it obvious that the English dub doesn't correspond, so it was erased. It still says the same: Goodbye, little detective. :shrug:


FYI, the case of the disappearing hint cards is not FUNi simply chopping them out. Moonlight Sonata Murder and many other arcs in this show were TV Specials, and as such had no hint attached. So technically the Conan's Hint for Kidnapped: Amy would've shown up in Festival Fiasco, but obviously FUNi didn't want to confuse people, so they snipped it out.

Well, I don't know which version FUNi has, but mine corresponds with the proper episodes. At the end of the Festival Fiasco, there is the "musical note" hint for the 1-hr special, after which there is a hint too.

Backed[/i] by popular demand, the hint for the next ep "Amy's kidnapping" is'] "school festival." HTH yaz detectives. :cool:

Maybe they just decided not to show hints anymore because it's making it easy for yaz Adult Swim viewers. :D


3. The chicks in this series keep getting hotter and hotter, donchathink? ;)
um...uh..ohyeah! yeah..they uh...they sure are?...XD

You're welcome! :anime:


And the ending card, note it was signed [Adult XXXX Lawyers] (^_*)

Actually, it was [stupid xxxxx lawyers]. :D

[tucsoncoyote]

Alright Lostrune, and folks so how did I do on the Moonlight Sonata Murder Mysteries (part 2)?

Well Now if anyone did read the thesis (in Spolier mode), they would have seen that I have the RIGHT suspects here, just the Wrong motives.. and so now I shall reveal what I said.. and I will Only Highlight (BOLD and Underline) the Correct Parts of my thesis (so you can see what I said). So here goes.

]I have to agree that the Old Geezer Constable is Casper Austin, and in fact the Doctor (Nadia Adams) is in fact Casper Austin's Daughter (who actually did survive the fire along with her father.) the main guy who is behind all this though is Mr. Kevin Hadley, the assistant to the (now deceased) mayor, Theodore Kinsella. (these two were indeed related!)

Now the main question is Why are they dying? Easy Casper Austin wanted to keep the island pristine and free of fishermen (Like Steve Mulholland) from doing their business on Moonlight Island. But Cavenaugh, Kinsella, and Matthew Schumacher, Along with Kirkpatrick ( who later became the Mayor) wanted business on the Island, and they would stop at nothing to get it at all costs, so they went to Capser to try and persuade him to allow business to come to the island, Casper Austin refused and so they (Cavenaugh, Kirkpatrick, Schumacher, and Kinsella) tried to kill Casper and his family, Thus removing the remaining Stumbling block to this whole problem.

But Casper was way smarter and he and his daughter (Nadia Austin, who later changed her name to Nadia Adams), escaped the fire.

Time Passed and Nadia Adams grew up to become a Doctor in the City and was a Part time resident of the island starting at a time 2 years previous to the start of the story. However Nadia could see the evil coning in the form of the Corrupt mayors including Mayor Kinsella and the first murder victim, Mayor Kirkpatrick, who wanted to bring some sort of business in, most notably the fishing industry. So she decided to off people one by one.. The first Victim, (Mayor Kirkpatrick) who died 2 years earlier, was poisoned by her..(Only a skilled doctor who knew about medications, could kill a victim and make it look like a heart attack*). However Mr. Kinsella's assistant Mr. Kevin Hadley, Stumbled onto the Kirkpatrick murder. Mr Steven Cavenaugh, however still wanted to proceed with bringing in the fishermen along with Kinsella and Schumacher, and ruining the island..**

So when Mr Hadley became Mayor Kinsella's Assistant, Nadia went to the Mr. Hadley, and admitted who she really was. She also was the one behind the murder of Mayor Kinsella. (The Now Knifed Mayor at the end of the show after all Kinsella blundered off just after Nadia Left to "freshen up." ) and consulted with him. Kevin Hadley agreed to keep the Kirkpatrick murder under wraps and would spread the myth of her father's cursed piano,*** in exchange for her hand in marriage.

She in fact fell in love with him, and is in fact both Mr. Hadley, and Miss Adams are going to get married. But Mayor Kinsella was going to spill the beans about the fake death of Casper Austin, and so Nadia went and Knifed him in the back, Literally. (That's where she Disappeared to BEFORE Kinsella walked off to do something. She encountered him Stabbed him in the back then dragged him to the PA room and set up a player before she left rigging it to the door to be switched on when someone opened the door.. Mr. Nicholas after the questioning decided to try and freshen up, but found Mr. Mulholland in the WC (which he didn't like, so he decided to go upstairs and see if he could find a way out.. However he accidentally opened the door to the PA room and turned on the music (The Second Movement of Moonlight sonata) and in shock he fell backward in shock of Mayor Kinsella's Gruesome knifing, it's just then Conan and entourage arrived to find a shocked Nicholas and a Dead Kinsella. (did you notice that when they asked about the Forensic boys to do the research and we find out that they weren't there that Miss Adams just routinely just says, "I'll do the forensics" Without batting an eyelash?

All of the other suspects are red herrings, except for Steve Mulholland, who is the only one who would win in this case, and after Marrying Renee Kinsella, would use his influence to turn Moonlight Island into a Fishery and Cannery. In fact the reason why Miss Adams and Mr. Hadley are killing the Victims are so to remove the potential people who could turn Moonlight into a Trashheap, and thus keep the island pristine and clean. (and Casper Austin would let both Mr. Hadley, and his daughter, Miss Adams, live with him..under an assumed name (and yep he's the Geezer Constable of the island) so in essence after Kinsella is killed the next viable targets are either Renee Kinsella (The Daughter), Mr. Mulholland, (Renee's Fiancee) and then of course Mr. Schumancher (However Schumacher was bought out by Austin and would keep fishing OUT of the town, leaving it pristine as well..(Making Austin and Nadia Happy, and with Mr. Hadley in tow Nadia Adams (Austin) and Kevin Hadley would get married. and Moonlight would be a small community that would have no big business in the place! while Matthew Schumacher made it so..

Notes to this effect (or an afterthought on this episode)
* Indeed Mr. Hadley and Miss Adams were indeed Entwined here but for the wrong reasons (Mr. Hadley knew about Kinsella's Drug Deals and thus would have known about the secrets of the piano..Else how would Conan not have found the Narcotics on the floor? And Nadia (Now Known as Simon!) did it to avenge his family's Death by 3 of the four men I mentioned (Nichols wa the Odd man out here who I failed to mention, as i thought him way too paranoid to do this..(But apparently he was indeed part of this cartel of Drug Dealers.) Also Kirkpatrick Poisoned? Nope but the death was indeed Accidental on the part of Nadia/Simon as she professed to kirkpatrick who she/he REALLY was!

** The "Ruining of the Island" I stated was also incorrect as the fishermen were not going to destroy it, but rather the Drugs Kinsella, Nichols, Kirkpatrick and Cavenaugh were going to deal.

*** Interestingly enough a lot of it I did get correct, but I didn't get the part about Nadia being a guy..(So the comment about Her Father's Piano should have been HIS father's piano.) and sure enough How could Nadia Play a Piano so well? Not unless a Master could have taught her/him!

all in all I got the Right suspects, but could I have held this up in court? Most likely not.. but for just an average joe schmoe Detective type.. I think that I missed a lot of clues, but then still got some of it correct so the final scorew was you got it right in terms of the suspects! just for the WRONG reasons!


Moral of this story... Play more Clue! and pay attention to the clues (another good ep and it makes perfect sense now..(So score one for the Little Detective, Conan) but as for me? (1/10th a poiint for me!) :D

A++ story.. good writing and it kept me guessing all the way to the end!

:coyote:

[Ultra8]

Another thrilling week of Conan. :D
First we have a festival murder in the vain of the" crack the villians alibi" Columbo style.
Next we have a kidnapping case and a pissed off Racheal searching for Jimmy.:anime:
And finally a plot-twister of a two-parter. I liked how the introduced the players for this mystery, the profiles really helped to keep track of the suspects. At the end of part one my hunchs were pointing to the doctor,( whether she had done the killing or had some connection to the case, I wasn't certain), Now seeing part2........well that really threw me for a loop:eek: .
Overall A++

[Sampo]

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At the begining of Thursday's episodes, two killings down one to go. Then we finally find out, the doctor IS A GUY?!!!

Heck, I originally thought the Doctor Nadia killed the first mayor years ago with poison and the present mayor in the PA room because she had left the group to fresh up. But when Rachel said that she was with them after 6:00 and the murder mayor was found at 6:30, that nuked my theory out of the water... Till Conan found about the reverse button. Also the first murder with the rich guy didn't click with the Doctor being the suspect, since someone needed to be strong to drag a corpse from the beach to the house.

I swear, I NEVER would have guessed that Doctor was a guy. :eek:

Conan's usual "knock out the bozo" routine gets used again, but at least this time he uses the PA. Richard deserved it anyway for rapping Conan on the head. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/bop.jpg)

Well not much else to comment on. It would have been GREAT if AS aired this back to back so we didn't have to wait a day. Awesome episode.

A comment about Wednesday's episode. I can't believe they ate their food next to a corpse. Looks like they were having a little picnic there. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/picnic.jpg) Heheh.


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2. As for Nadia/Simon, ya guys know about kanji right? Kanji may have more than one pronunciation. Well originally, the doctor's name could be pronounced one way (male name) as well as another (female name) - there's no furigana instructions on which is the proper one. So the doctor took advantage of that in his personal ID documents (apparently those not specifying gender) to disguise himself. That's why his background checks check out. AFAIK, he didn't go thru a sex-change operation. :sweat:
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For some strange reason I thought that was the reason why Nadia/Simon could get away with that. Or its because I watched too much Ranma. :sweat: Here is a shot of Nadia/Simon's name in Kanji. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/identity.jpg)


Hum,Sampo hasn't came with the screen shots. Maybe the paino got to him.Yup a piano got me. Heh, sorry I avoided reading this thread till Thursday's episodes fearing any spoilers or what not. Although I have to give you guys credit here, some of your theories were pretty good. Tucsoncoyote's one was very detailed and was pretty close to how things turned out. Great post there!

Oh yeah, for future reference. If anyone out there wants to request Screen Caps for whatever reason, send me a PM. :sweat: I really don't mind doing requests for a few screen caps. Also I feel kinda bad if I missed your request because I didn't see it.

Looking forward to the next episode.

Oops, almost forgot. Here is a Pan of Doctor Nadia/Simon. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/Image2.jpg) :anime:

[Kaiser0120]

I hope so. It's not gay if there's surgery involved.
What would be wrong with him being gay?

[Bandit]

WOW

Besides Cowboy Bebop, Detective Conan has been the only Adult Swim show to send chills through my spine. What a great 2 part episode.

Also, I think the writers made the policeman look like Casper Austin in order to throw off the viewers :D

The fact that the doctor was a guy was a little strange. He and Rachel were sleeping in the same bed in that one part :eek:

How is Conan doing in ratings compared to what it replaced... did it replace Inuyasha? How is it doing compared to ATHF?

[lostrune]

For some strange reason I thought that was the reason why Nadia/Simon could get away with that. Or its because I watched too much Ranma. :sweat: Here is a shot of Nadia/Simon's name in Kanji. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/identity.jpg)

Just to make it easier on yaz guys, it says:
(left - right) (surname, first name)
(real name) Asou Seiji - Asai Narumi (female Dr.)
First names "Seiji" and "Narumi" have the same kanji but different pronunciations (the small furigana beside the kanji).
Asou is his pianist dad's surname; Asai is probably the family name who adopted him after he became orphaned.



Oops, almost forgot. Here is a Pan of Doctor Nadia/Simon. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/Image2.jpg) :anime:

Yeah, isn't the chick hot or what?! :anime:

BTW, I don't think she initially planned to kill the 4 perpetrators. I dunno if the dub insinuated it, but when the ex-mayor died of heart attack, she played the Moonlight Sonata (quite popular in Japan, BTW) merely because she wanted to soothe the mayor's spirit. (That's what the mayor's aide heard that night.) Only afterwards when she got away with it that she decided to go after the others, and it took her 2 years after her first murder.

(And why am I using feminine pronouns.... :sweat: )



How is Conan doing in ratings compared to what it replaced... did it replace Inuyasha? How is it doing compared to ATHF?

ATHF ratings (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=112240):
Aqua Teen Hunger Force (Monday-Thursday, 12 am)
*Adults 18-34 delivery (602,000) increased by 55% and ratings (0.9) by 50%.
*Adults 18-24 delivery (434,000) expanded by 89% and ratings (1.6) by 78%.

Case Closed ratings (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=1294872#post1294872):
Week 1 average: 299,000 viewers (18 - 34)
Week 2 average: 310,000 viewers (18 - 34)

[Sampo]

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Nin-nin69 requested the above 3 pages back :sweat: Any hoot, I can see why you guys thought the police officer was that deceased pianist.

[SirLemming]

So who else has found "Moonlight Sonata" on their electronic keyboards and used it liberally? :D


Also, I think the writers made the policeman look like Casper Austin in order to throw off the viewers :DYeah, and he seemed so suspicious, too, especially in the first part. He moved the body (and thus could have removed evidence), and he took the sheet music (and thus could have switched it with a different paper). But I guess he really was just a bumbling fool.

[Chimera]

Maybe it IS Casper Austin. We never got proof that the officer isn't him.

[Mystic Shadow]

Well, in the first episode I thought it was the doctor. Then in the second one I changed it to Simon Auston, so... am I right?

I loved thease episodes (Even though I haven't posted here all week) I thought this one was the best case yet. They set it up so perfect too. As soon as I saw part 1 in the title I knew we were in for a treat.

That's about it, I give the Piano... Murder... sex change... case... thing, an A+

[bigddan11]

I can't believe that I finally guessed the murderer correctly for once, the doctor, but I was shocked to find out the doc was a man disguised as a woman. Kudo's defintley should go out for these episodes.

[Teek]

Looking at those pics of the constable and Austin that HAS to be deliberate on the part of the creators. So it was a pretty good red herring. I was never sure about him though, mainly because he always talked about working back at the time of Austin's death. You would figure if he wasnt working for the police at that point that someone would overhear him and know he was lying for some reason.

[Mystic Shadow]

What would be wrong with him being gay?Alot.

[Youko Recca]

Simon wasn't gay nor had a sex change. He was just a pretty boy and used that to his advantage.

[see201]

Hi!

I'm a huge Conan fan, but unfortunately I can't get it on cable here (Toronto, Canada)!! :( I'm glad to see people are liking it though! I can't wait for it to come out of DVD.

Maybe you guys could answer a question I've been wondering about:
When they introduce people (suspects), do they display their names at the bottom of the screen? If so, is still in Kanji, or is it in English?

Also, how's the voice acting? I was very scared after seeing the name changes. (Rachael?!?)

Thanks, and of course if anyone has any questions about the Japanese versions feel free to ask.

-- Chris

[see201]

In response to what some of you guys have been saying:

Conan uses his stun-gun on Moore again, but this one wasn't quite as bad. We've seen 12 episodes and he's done that at least five times. They have to think of something new every now and again.It's something you'll have to get used to. It's Conan's main way of solving a mystery, and although the change it up every once in a while, nine times out of ten it's Mouri-Kogoro (Richard I think it is in the English version) who gets put out. Actually, it happens enough that eventually he gains fame as the 'Sleeping Detective' as he always seems to solve cases in a trance-like state. :)

Well not much else to comment on. It would have been GREAT if AS aired this back to back so we didn't have to wait a day. Awesome episode.

Can you imagine what it's like having to wait a whole week to see the next episode? Especially with some of the three and six-part episodes, it can be agony!

[see201]

Oh, and one more question:

What do the four kids call their detective agency/group? I'm sure they don't use Shonen Tantei.

And be sure to catch the next episode! It's one of my all-time favourites. :)

[Youko Recca]

The Junior Detective Ulcers...

[Lord Dalek]

Well last night was the first episode of Det. Conan I watched (yeah, it took me THAT long :eek: ). I suppose I will share my thoughts on the series.

1. The animation is actually pretty good for a show made in 1995, compare to DBZ and Sailor Moon S and you'll see what I mean.

2. I was caught completely off guard by the coroner being the killer, I thought it was the heiress character.

3. That ending was depressing, but worth it.

4. Still don't like the new title and character names but otherwise the show is mostly uncut.

5. "One True Prevails" has got to be the dumbest anime tagline since "2019-Neo Tokyo is about to E.X.P.L.O.D.E."

[Sanwich]

Well, I knew there was something suspicious about the doctor... And I was right! Unfortunately, I kind of didn't catch on to the fact that 'she' was actually a 'he'. c_c A lot of clues were things I had noticed but didn't have time to figure out - for example, the only real evidence keeping the doctor from being a main suspect was the fact that she was with Rachel during the second murder. I thought this would rule her out, but of course it turns out the tape was in reverse, so when she went to 'freshen up' earlier she was probably knocking off the man in the PA room.

It was also apparent that there was more than one shady thing going on... Of course there were the murders, but almost all of the suspects were criminals in their own right, being part of a narcotics 'business'. Well kiddies, I guess the lesson we've learned from this case is that drugs are indeed bad for you. ;)

And yeah, I didn't mind Detective Moore being knocked out in this episode as much, since using the PA was a pretty creative way of revealing the killer.

I almost turned off the television after the credits rolled - good thing I didn't, else I would've missed that very ironic card from WS. 'Yeah - you'd think they'd just call it Detective Conan', indeed. n_-

[see201]

The Junior Detective Ulcers...
Ulcers?!? I really hope you're kidding!

[see201]

4. Still don't like the new title and character names but otherwise the show is mostly uncut.
Apart from the change in title and names, what else is altered/cut?

[Teek]

He is. I think they've been using Junior Detective League. But I thought I remember them using another word in place of League one episode.

[Mystic Shadow]

Hi!

I'm a huge Conan fan, but unfortunately I can't get it on cable here (Toronto, Canada)!! :( I'm glad to see people are liking it though! I can't wait for it to come out of DVD.

Maybe you guys could answer a question I've been wondering about:
When they introduce people (suspects), do they display their names at the bottom of the screen? If so, is still in Kanji, or is it in English?They have, but in this episode only. They were in English.

Also, how's the voice acting? I was very scared after seeing the name changes. (Rachael?!?)I don't have much of an opinion on this. Connan's voice, I don't like, but his a good voice actors. He fits the part and delivers his lines well. As for Richard, I believe he's voiced by Chuck Huber (Who is an extremly talented Voice Actor IMO) but if he isn't, then he sure sounds like him.

Thanks, and of course if anyone has any questions about the Japanese versions feel free to ask.

-- ChrisWell, actually I would like to know what are the original names of the cast. They obviously weren't Richard or Rachel.

[Samurai]

Maybe you guys could answer a question I've been wondering about:
When they introduce people (suspects), do they display their names at the bottom of the screen? If so, is still in Kanji, or is it in English?

Also, how's the voice acting? I was very scared after seeing the name changes. (Rachael?!?)

Thanks, and of course if anyone has any questions about the Japanese versions feel free to ask.

-- Chris
Okay, in response to your questions, the English version does display the character's names, but in English, not Kanji. And the dubbing is average (at least in my opinion, there's a lot of dub fans on here though, so to them it may seem better), but if you're used to the Japanese version, best stick with the original version that you're used to listening.

Also, I do have some questions about the Japanese versions, but the nature of it might not allow me to discuss it on here. Do you think you can turn on your Private Messaging so I can send you Private Messages with questions? Thanks so much.

[Sampo]

Hi!

I'm a huge Conan fan, but unfortunately I can't get it on cable here (Toronto, Canada)!! :( I'm glad to see people are liking it though! I can't wait for it to come out of DVD.
Hello there, welcome to the Toon Zone forums.


...
Maybe you guys could answer a question I've been wondering about:
When they introduce people (suspects), do they display their names at the bottom of the screen? If so, is still in Kanji, or is it in English?
...
They are displayed in Funi's Black Boxes of Doom (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/box.jpg) tm.


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Also, how's the voice acting? I was very scared after seeing the name changes. (Rachael?!?)
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In my opinon, Funi got some pretty good VAs for the main cast. Although some of the suspects or bystanders were so-so delivering their lines.

Take care and see you around.

[Mystic Shadow]

They are displayed in Funi's Black Boxes of Doom (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/box.jpg) tmAs seen on Yuyu Hakusho. Why does everyone fear those damned boxes so much?

[see201]

They have, but in this episode only. They were in English.I don't have much of an opinion on this. Connan's voice, I don't like, but his a good voice actors. He fits the part and delivers his lines well. As for Richard, I believe he's voiced by Chuck Huber (Who is an extremly talented Voice Actor IMO) but if he isn't, then he sure sounds like him.
Man, I really want to hear them!! I guess it's against the rules here to talk about downloading clips or audio files taken from the TV, eh?

Well, actually I would like to know what are the original names of the cast. They obviously weren't Richard or Rachel.
Sure. Here goes:
Jimmy Kudo -> Shinichi Kudo
Conan Edogawa -> Conan Edogawa (no change! Yaaah!)
Rachel Moore -> Ran Mouri (Ran is such a better name!)
Richard Moore -> Kogoro Mouri
Dr. Agasa -> Agasa Hakase (which means Professor Agasa)
Inspector Meguire -> Megure Keebu (which means Chief Inspector Megure)
Serena Sabastian -> Sonoko Suzuki (I think they butchered this one the most!)
Amy -> Ayumi (soooo cute!)
Mitch -> Mitsuhiko
George -> Genta

[Sampo]

As seen on Yuyu Hakusho. Why does everyone fear those damned boxes so much?Well, they are kinda big and ugly. Although I can understand why Funi uses them (which was pointed out earlier in this thread). After a while I guess you can get use to em, but I use that name anyway because it sounds cool verses typing up "they use black boxes to cover the Japanese text".

[see201]

Hello there, welcome to the Toon Zone forums.
Thanks! This place is really cool!

They are displayed in Funi's Black Boxes of Doom (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/box.jpg) tm.
Ahh! I see. They just put black boxes over the originals. The Japanese ones are transparent or semi-transparent.

Some of the suspects or bystanders were so-so delivering their lines though.
Okay, so they kept that from the original too! :D What's really bad is when they have an American character on the show. They don't bother to use English speaking voice actors, but instead have the Japanese voice actors try to speak English. It's hilarious!

Hmm.. That makes me wonder, how are they going to do that in the English dub? Some cases involve meeting up with foregners, where the language barrier is a problem. How are they going to do that if everyone speaks English to begin with?

Take care and see you around.
Thanks again. You too!

[Mystic Shadow]

Man, I really want to hear them!! I guess it's against the rules here to talk about downloading clips or audio files taken from the TV, eh?Well, not episodes, but you could ask for sound clips or screen caps from Sampo (The guy with the strange Connan avatar) He'll hook ya up.


Sure. Here goes:
Jimmy Kudo -> Shinichi Kudo
Conan Edogawa -> Conan Edogawa (no change! Yaaah!)
Rachel Moore -> Ran Mouri (Ran is such a better name!)
Richard Moore -> Kogoro Mouri
Dr. Agasa -> Agasa Hakase (which means Professor Agasa)
Inspector Meguire -> Megure Keebu (which means Chief Inspector Megure)
Serena Sabastian -> Sonoko Suzuki (I think they butchered this one the most!)
Amy -> Ayumi (soooo cute!)
Mitch -> Mitsuhiko
George -> GentaThanks man. Kogoro to Richard? What was Funi thinking there? Oh and how exactly do you pronounce Ran? There are about three ways from what I can tell.

Ps: Sorry for advertizing you like that, Sampo.

[see201]

Also, I do have some questions about the Japanese versions, but the nature of it might not allow me to discuss it on here. Do you think you can turn on your Private Messaging so I can send you Private Messages with questions? Thanks so much.
Okay, I turned on Private Messaging, although you'd better catch me quick, as I'll be leaving at about 5 pm (EST).

[Nin-Nin69]

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Nin-nin69 requested the above 3 pages back :sweat: Any hoot, I can see why you guys thought the police officer was that deceased pianist.
Thanks Sampo. I still find that very questionable as why both designs are similar and the creator never factored that idea into the story. Not having the policeman admit he was Casper Austin towards the end seemed very lame from my POV. There would've been a stronger, more dramatic feel for the ending if they had him run in with Conan to stop Simon.

Still this was one bizare 2 part episode with the picnic by the dead body, brutal stabbing, bloody notes, the drug smuggling, and the transexuals. This episode proves Detective Conan can get away with more wild situations than anything else shown on ASA or ASC.

[Mystic Shadow]

Thanks Sampo. I still find that very questionable as why both designs are similar and the creator never factored that idea into the story. Not having the policeman admit he was Casper Austin towards the end seemed very lame from my POV. There would've been a stronger, more dramatic feel for the ending if they had him run in with Conan to stop Simon.

Still this was one bizare 2 part episode with the picnic by the dead body, brutal stabbing, bloody notes, the drug smuggling, and the transexuals. This episode proves Detective Conan can get away with more wild situations than anything else shown on ASA or ASC.Well, in this show many people have the same character desighns. Many of the male teens look alike (Jimmy Kudo). Many of the Female teens look alike (Rachel Moore). Many of the Adult males look alike. (Inspector Meguire) The ones that differ the most are the kids. (amazingly enough)

[Beat]

This week > Last week.

Therefore, I'll keep watching.

[Nin-Nin69]

Well, in this show many people have the same character desighns. Many of the male teens look alike (Jimmy Kudo). Many of the Female teens look alike (Rachel Moore). Many of the Adult males look alike. (Inspector Meguire) The ones that differ the most are the kids. (amazingly enough)Atleast shave the mustache off Casper so this would've never been asumed.

[Bandit]

As seen on Yuyu Hakusho. Why does everyone fear those damned boxes so much?Because they look like an 8th grader in high school taking his first video art class did the editing.

The same goes for their title cards, and their old credits. However, the credits in Detective Conan are nicely done, unlike the ones in Yuyu and DBZ.

[Bandit]

Atleast shave the mustache off Casper so this would've never been asumed.Perhaps they did it on purpose to make viewers think that the policeman played a larger role in the case? A trick?

[Nin-Nin69]

Perhaps they did it on purpose to make viewers think that the policeman played a larger role in the case? A trick?
It's possible. He was bumbling through out the episode. Next he took the music sheet from the scene of the crime. Then fell asleep when he was to stay up all night. After that he couldn't find a key that he said he knew where it was. Then he couldn't find the safe for the key and complained about other files being out of order. Finally he came to the scene of the crime a little too late and with holded information about Casper's son.

All of those actions seemed a little too suspicous and threw us off completly since it had no real resolution.

[Killtacular]

Man, I really want to hear them!! I guess it's against the rules here to talk about downloading clips or audio files taken from the TV, eh?
AdultSwim.com tends to put up a different clip every week of Case Closed so you can check how the dub sounds there.

I'm actually not bothered by Conan's voice because it actually sounds like a kid instead a pale whiny imitation like you'd get from the usual FUNi VAs (like Stephanie Nodolny(Goku)).

Jimmy's voice started out VERY wooden but as the voice of internal monologue his deliery has improved a hundred fold. It's now a much more natural choice. Richard Moore's voice is quite appropriate... sort of like a drunk, less nasal Don Adams. Rachael's voice is merely adequate, she's one of the ADV VAs. Amy is Monica Rial from ADV also. The ADV VAs I've always felt were inferior to FUNi's. But if you like ADV's VAs then you probably won't have a problem with them.


If you want to know the dub changes... the original opening and ending are kept, the music is the original Japanese music, they have (up until the hour special) kept the Next Conan's Hint. They moved the epilogue of each episode to before the episode preview (which is subsequently moved to before the credits).

Otherwise there's very little that's been changed (except for the insertion of "ONE TRUTH PREVAILS!"). And practically no edits either.

[Fresh V]

Why does everyone fear those damned boxes so much?
uh. what the heck are "those damned boxes"??

[randi]

uh. what the heck are "those damned boxes"??
You know like the little boxes that tell you what someone or something is.

[Mystic Shadow]

uh. what the heck are "those damned boxes"??Um, I said that not Bandit. Quote the correct person.
They are displayed in Funi's Black Boxes of Doom (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/box.jpg) tm

[Master Moron]

If you want to know the dub changes... the original opening and ending are kept, the music is the original Japanese music, they have (up until the hour special) kept the Next Conan's Hint. They moved the epilogue of each episode to before the episode preview (which is subsequently moved to before the credits).



Since when do they keep the opening? It seems to cut off right before the opening.

See201, I have a question, on the episodes where there's an issue of translation from English to Japanese are there clues that involve their country of origin? I mean, could they change the English to French like they did for Sailor Moon or would that screw up the hints?

Anyway, it's possible they took off the hint just because there wasn't enough time since this was an hour special. I'd rather have them cut the hint than part of the episode.

[Duke]

Since when do they keep the opening? It seems to cut off right before the opening.
He's talking about the non-spliced opening (i.e. what you're gonna see on the DVDs).

Hmm.. That makes me wonder, how are they going to do that in the English dub? Some cases involve meeting up with foregners, where the language barrier is a problem. How are they going to do that if everyone speaks English to begin with?
They'll either make him Spanish or French, like what other companies do when presented with a language barrier.

[bigddan11]

For those of you who are new to the Case Closed scene, these are the confirmed VA's for the main characters at adultswim.com:


Laura Bailey- Serena Sebastian
Dameon Clarke- George (not Chris Sabat)
Colleen Clinkenbeard- Rachel Moore
Cynthia Cranz- Mitch
R. Bruce Elliot- Richard Moore (not Chuck Huber)
Bill Flynn- Dr. Agasa
Jerry Jewell- Jimmy Kudo
Alison Retzloff- Conan Edagawa
Monica Rial- Amy
Mark Stoddard- Inspector Maguire

[Mystic Shadow]

R. Bruce Elliot- Richard Moore (not Chuck Huber)NNOOOOOOOO!!!!! I was wrong! About one of my favorite VAs! No!

[raykremer]

Oh and how exactly do you pronounce Ran? There are about three ways from what I can tell. The one nice thing about pronouncing Japanese is that (AFAIK) the vowels always have the same sound, unlike English where they all have at least two. The Japanese a is the same as the "short" a in English. As in "mega". If you're familiar with some Japanese names, see also "Akira" and "Sakura".

[Sketch]

Simon's VA would make a good Haku for a FUNi dub. That is my conclusion.

My second conclusion is there are MANY reasons why this show is on Adult Swim and they are all good ones. :anime:

With any luck it'll stay on AS and become a staple like Inuyasha and Cowboy Bebop. It deserves as much.

[Samurai]

Simon's VA would make a good Haku for a FUNi dub. That is my conclusion.
I think that's a little too old for Haku.

[SirLemming]

Does Richard Moore have the same voice actor as Amarao from FLCL, or am I just delusional?

Or is he Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho? I thought that in the first episode, his voice got a little high at one point, but I could be wrong.

Definitely could be wrong, on both accounts.

[Duke]

Or is he Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho? I thought that in the first episode, his voice got a little high at one point, but I could be wrong.

Yusuke's done by Justin Cook.

[Sketch]

I think that's a little too old for Haku.
Not a problem, all FUNi VA's can talk higher to fit a role... it's when you want to talk lower that you run into a problem... that goodness for Daemon Clarke.

[Mysteryinfoman]

I'm really likeing the dub, the voices just sound perfect and the 2-parter was done great as well. I wondered how this would've been handled on Toonmai, show the bald guy dead, no knife, how he die etc. Long time since I saw the 2-parter and almost forgot who did it. I could've sworn it was the police guy cause he was a bit supicios but at the end of Pt 1, you almost suspected everyone.

[randi]

Does Richard Moore have the same voice actor as Amarao from FLCL, or am I just delusional?
You're delusional.

[PickHut]

This was indeed a good week of Case Closed episodes. The first case involving the writer was a nice change, since we knew who the killer was, it was now up to Conan to find proof that he did. The kidnapping episode was good along with the great two parter. Anyway, here's my ratings for the episodes:

Festival Fiasco: A-
Deadly Game: A
The Moonlight Sonata Murder Case (Part 1): A-
The Moonlight Sonata Murder Case (Part 2): A

[Daizaburo Estes]

exactly do you pronounce Ran? There are about three ways from what I can tell.

It's more of a "RAHN," really. Ya see, as you might or might not already know, Japanese is an entirel phonetic language, and pronunciations consist of the following:

"a" = 'AH'
"e" = 'EH'
"i" = 'EE'
"u" = 'UUH' (as in "foot")
"o" = ...whaddya think?

And so on.

[SirLemming]

Yusuke's done by Justin Cook.So Moore isn't?

[Duke]

So Moore isn't?
Laura Bailey- Serena Sebastian
Dameon Clarke- George (not Chris Sabat)
Colleen Clinkenbeard- Rachel Moore
Cynthia Cranz- Mitch
R. Bruce Elliot- Richard Moore (not Chuck Huber)
Bill Flynn- Dr. Agasa
Jerry Jewell- Jimmy Kudo
Alison Retzloff- Conan Edagawa
Monica Rial- Amy
Mark Stoddard- Inspector Maguire

[Meitantei]

It's more of a "RAHN," really. Ya see, as you might or might not already know, Japanese is an entirel phonetic language, and pronunciations consist of the following:

"a" = 'AH'
"e" = 'EH'
"i" = 'EE'
"u" = 'UUH' (as in "foot")
"o" = ...whaddya think?

And so on.There's one thing you forgot to mention, Japanese don't pronounce "r", instead, they use l. So it would sound like Lan(with "an" pronoucned the British way...)
I'm a kinda "old" Conan fan, I've been watching Conan since 1997 and had watched a lot of the 364 episodes, read most of the manga, seen 7 movies and most of the OVAs. I was soooo happy to see Conan getting liscensed in the U.S. but my exitment decreased to 0(or even lower) and turned to anger when I saw all the name changes. Most of the "old' Conan fans would probably have the same feeling as me, I mean, your fav character/show's name suddenly changed to something totally different, and somewhat, strange... I didn't get to see the dubbed version since I live but I've heard a sound clip of it and the voices... arn't as bad as I thought... But I still think that it can't be compared to the original voice(no offence though)... But for some reason my want for watching the dubbed version still hasen't decreased... After all Conan's the best!(at least it is in my mind)

[see201]

See201, I have a question, on the episodes where there's an issue of translation from English to Japanese are there clues that involve their country of origin? I mean, could they change the English to French like they did for Sailor Moon or would that screw up the hints?
Actually I could see that working for many episodes. There are a couple characters that come to mind that they might have to get creative with. One is a CIA agent and another big character is an American English teacher. Off the top of my head, everyone else could be French or Spanish and it'd work.

[see201]

It's more of a "RAHN," really. Ya see, as you might or might not already know, Japanese is an entirel phonetic language, and pronunciations consist of the following:

"a" = 'AH'
"e" = 'EH'
"i" = 'EE'
"u" = 'UUH' (as in "foot")
"o" = ...whaddya think?

And so on.
Yeah. Ran kinda sounds like the 'Khan' of Ghengis Khan (sp?), or Wrath of Khan if your a trekkie (sorry.. trekkER). And yeah, it's a mix between an 'R' and an 'L' sound. Either alone is pretty close however.

[bigddan11]

This is the first voice acting that R. Bruce Elliot (who plays Richard Moore) has done. It's also the first voice acting that Mark Stoddard (who plays Inspector Maguire) has done. This is only the second voice acting that Alison Retzloff and Bill Flynn have done. Their only previous VA's occured in Kiddy Grade, so no, Richard Moore is not voiced by the same person from FLCL.

[Mystic Shadow]

There's one thing you forgot to mention, Japanese don't pronounce "r", instead, they use l. So it would sound like Lan(with "an" pronoucned the British way...)I think you got it back words. (ie. Fooly Cooly is Furi Curi) L's are R's.

[Aquadementia]

I have a few parting words to say about the most excellent part two.
I knew the doctor sent the note.
I knew Casper Austin was murdered by the other four men, like who didn't? If it was about buried treasure or whatever, who could know? The narcotics hid in a public place though, doesn't sound like that good of an idea.

I still don't get how the doctor could drown someone and drag the body to the piano without getting soaking wet. Plus, the body should have been bruise up or traces of a knock out found. I thought maybe the doctor was covering for the real murderer by locking the door and hiding evidence, maybe misdirecting suspicion. Probably someone she was seeing on the weekends. In retrospect, I wouldn't have been surprise if the doctor had a boyfriend that was Austin's illegitimate son, but the transvestite thing, total shocker. which brings me to this:

3. The chicks in this series keep getting hotter and hotter, donchathink? ;)


Trying to get fanboys to drool over transvestite cartoon characters. Entertaining, yes, but I thinkk I'll have to keep an eye on you.;)

Interesting details about Jimmy. Able to read the secret code takes smarts, but to understand it being played he probably has perfect pitch as well as incredible concentration.
Knowing how long it takes blood to dry on tile, they don't teach that in kindergarten.
Both of these are qualities you might expect of Sherlock Holmes.

[see201]

Interesting details about Jimmy. Able to read the secret code takes smarts, but to understand it being played he probably has perfect pitch as well as incredible concentration.
Actually, this turns out to be a big continuity hole in Conan. It turns out later that Conan / Jimmy / Shinichi can't sing to save his life, and has horrible pitch. This past episode is the only case (in my knowledge) in which Conan is able to interpret a music from only hearing the notes. After this ep., Conan's musical abilities are non-existent.

In the Japanese series, this is actually an in-joke, as the person who voices Conan is actually the lead singer in a very popular rock/techno J-Pop group called Two-Mix, and is of course an excellent singer. So, to hear her sing horribly as Conan is a funny juxtaposition!

[Aquadementia]

Actually, this turns out to be a big continuity hole in Conan. It turns out later that Conan / Jimmy / Shinichi can't sing to save his life, and has horrible pitch. This past episode is the only case (in my knowledge) in which Conan is able to interpret a music from only hearing the notes. After this ep., Conan's musical abilities are non-existent.

In the Japanese series, this is actually an in-joke, as the person who voices Conan is actually the lead singer in a very popular rock/techno J-Pop group called Two-Mix, and is of course an excellent singer. So, to hear her sing horribly as Conan is a funny juxtaposition!
Well, that's vary interesting. That's an in-joke, which means now that I know, I must be in.
Hurray!

When he was plunking on the piano it sounded like he had some talent, I was expecting for him to have followed Sherlock Holmes example in that regard also and took up a musical instrument. But I guess I won't have too much of a problem with the inconsistency.

[Meitantei]

Actually, this turns out to be a big continuity hole in Conan. It turns out later that Conan / Jimmy / Shinichi can't sing to save his life, and has horrible pitch. This past episode is the only case (in my knowledge) in which Conan is able to interpret a music from only hearing the notes. After this ep., Conan's musical abilities are non-existent.

In the Japanese series, this is actually an in-joke, as the person who voices Conan is actually the lead singer in a very popular rock/techno J-Pop group called Two-Mix, and is of course an excellent singer. So, to hear her sing horribly as Conan is a funny juxtaposition!
Actually there'a little thing to correct so people won't start wondering why it's Two-mix instead of One-mix. Yes the only voice you can hear in Two-mix CDs is Minami Takayama(va for Conan), but there are actually two people in Two-mix. Minami Takayama is the vocalist in the band which means she's responsible for all the singing. Another member in the group is a gentleman, Shiina Nagano. He's responsible for composing music. For those of you who's seen the the Jap version of Conan or Gundum, Minami Takayam sang the song "Truth"(5th op) and "White Reflection"(a song in Gundum)

[SamCurt]

Actually, this turns out to be a big continuity hole in Conan. It turns out later that Conan / Jimmy / Shinichi can't sing to save his life, and has horrible pitch. This past episode is the only case (in my knowledge) in which Conan is able to interpret a music from only hearing the notes. After this ep., Conan's musical abilities are non-existent.

In the Japanese series, this is actually an in-joke, as the person who voices Conan is actually the lead singer in a very popular rock/techno J-Pop group called Two-Mix, and is of course an excellent singer. So, to hear her sing horribly as Conan is a funny juxtaposition!
The facts doesn't contradict. He can be good in music theory and such but just sucked in singing.

As for Two-Mix, there was a two-parter featuring them in Funi's premise.

[Meitantei]

The facts doesn't contradict. He can be good in music theory and such but just sucked in singing.

As for Two-Mix, there was a two-parter featuring them in Funi's premise.but he doesn't seem to be very good in music theory either...
he played the recorder(at least that's wat it looks like) but he didn't even know or at least realize the meaning of Da Capo...
anywayz nice meeting u here samcurt ^^ u might not know me but i've seen your name a lot in the bbs of aptx4869.net ^^

[SamCurt]

anywayz nice meeting u here samcurt ^^ u might not know me but i've seen your name a lot in the bbs of aptx4869.net ^^
Don't bring these things here please. Thanks.

[SamCurt]

And:
but he doesn't seem to be very good in music theory either...
he played the recorder(at least that's wat it looks like) but he didn't even know or at least realize the meaning of Da Capo...
I'd rather think he's being clumsy at his hands. He can read the notes but canot cover the holes properly.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

Has anyone explained why the piano didn't burn in the fire:confused: I thought they said everything was burned.

[Sampo]

Has anyone explained why the piano didn't burn in the fire:confused: I thought they said everything was burned.That piano in the Town Hall was the one used at his last concert.

He had another one which was in his house. That one was burned along with the rest of the house.

I don't blame you getting confused. That did throw me for a loop there until I rewatched the first episode.