C&C - Anything Else/Cards [6/5 - 6/10]

[The Landstander]

Owwwwwwwwwww

[Killtacular]

Nice that WS is too lazy to make new bumpers for WHR. Oh, but I guess CN must be holding on to those bumpers because they hate us; obviously that's why we're not seeing them, as opposed to WS simply not making them.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

Matt beat me to it! maybe they just think WHR doesn't need or deserve new bumps? the show is pretty terrible anyway why bother trying to make it look good?

with WHR back in FLCL's place now the only ASA show I'll be watching is Wolf's Rain I guess... FLCL helped bridge me into Big O then Bebop & Trigun but I can't stand WHR at all so theres nothing to get me in the mood for the other shows :( http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Anime Freak]

Somehow I see Witch Hunter Robin getting better ratings than Wolfs Rain, and I dont think thats going to be a good thing. I didn't catch WHR tongiht though, if they didn't show those Tokyo bumpers then what did they show? Black and White Cards? I dont even believe I saw a single promo for Witch Hunter Robin tonight at all. In fact, it seems that we see more promos for Case Closed than anything else on Saturdays.

[Youko Recca]

Adult Swim needs to team up with Rockstar to make a Grand Theft Auto series...that's all for now.

[Wounded_Dragon]

Somehow I see Witch Hunter Robin getting better ratings than Wolfs Rain, and I dont think thats going to be a good thing. I didn't catch WHR tongiht though, if they didn't show those Tokyo bumpers then what did they show? Black and White Cards? I dont even believe I saw a single promo for Witch Hunter Robin tonight at all. In fact, it seems that we see more promos for Case Closed than anything else on Saturdays.
Yep, the cards. The old cards. The old weeknight cards.

Gosh, did the marketing forget to do something on the way out?...:sweat:

[Sheamon]

Depressing to see Fooly Cooly leave the block, although I guess it can't be helped considering its so short :rolleyes: Glad I can get another chance to watch WHR without having to worry about watching it every single day, although I would have preferred if they put Case Closed in its slot since I haven't been able to catch it on weekdays.

[ClockStomper]

Why did I never notice until now that Ponch's voice is just a PERFECT impression of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog?

[wrenchien]

red dawn.. truly the most disturbing episode.. of sealab..

makes me wish that all nukes everywhere were removed. and turned off.

NOW.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

disturbing but funny! much better then the time Murphy declared martian law! :) http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[DSRGirl]

You know what I noticed? "Mayhem Of The Moonintes" is now only rated TV-PG L, when it use to be TV-14. What's with the change? Is smoking/flipping the bird less taboo now, or is it a fluke?

[SirLemming]

I never saw WHR before, so I liked the cards. "You're right, setting things on fire isn't too cool... except that YOU CAN SET THINGS ON FIRE!" and "The witch in episode 1 probably has the lamest powers. He TRIPS PEOPLE!"

You know what I noticed? "Mayhem Of The Moonintes" is now only rated TV-PG L, when it use to be TV-14. What's with the change? Is smoking/flipping the bird less taboo now, or is it a fluke?Smoking, likely not (remember how they're trying to get all movies with cigarettes in them rated R?). But flipping the bird, maybe, since this very episode is what officially gave them the leverage to do it more often (by un-editing that one Yu Yu Hakusho episode, and with the other Mooninites appearances). Or maybe it's just a random mistake, which is somewhat common with TV ratings. Speaking of YYH once again, the last episode to air on Adult Swim (the end of the Suzaku fight) originally aired with a TV-Y e/i (educational/informative).

[Rabi~en~Rose]

there goes the comedy ratings with a weird combination of shows

ATHF
Brak
Futurama

:confused:

the numbers were lower then last time but that might mean the action ones are even lower to :eek: http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[livingfruitvirus]

http://www.itty-bitties.com/images/ASC3.gif

So close to 500 grand.

http://www.itty-bitties.com/images/ASA3.gif

much nicer

[Rabi~en~Rose]

Inu Yasha - 392,000
Wolf's Rain - 308,000
FLCL - 253,000


boring! :(

FLCL made it on every week except for episode 5 so can we guess WHR will be taking its place? tune in next sunday to find out!


by the way I am really liking Baby Blues! its cute! to bad the show is just has retread status http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Nin-Nin69]

Will we ever get a weekly rating highlight for Detective Conan? The world will never know. :rolleyes:

[livingfruitvirus]

Will we ever get a weekly rating highlight for Detective Conan? The world will never know. :rolleyes:
Weekdays don't get reported unless the ratings are above average (as in at least 600,000 and up). The only weekday anime to attain that was FLCL.

[Duke]

AS must have been at least content with the Saturday ratings, as they didn't make one joke about them, and even kinda-praised them.

[Nin-Nin69]

Weekdays don't get reported unless the ratings are above average (as in at least 600,000 and up). The only weekday anime to attain that was FLCL.
Well you can blame that on their advertizing. Lupin, Trigun, and Blue Gender should've pulled in those ratings.

[Wounded_Dragon]

AS must have been at least content with the Saturday ratings, as they didn't make one joke about them, and even kinda-praised them.
Maybe they decided insulting the block isn't helping. :sweat:

I'm still waiting for some Saturday promos though, considering Saturday aired a bunch for Sunday...

[livingfruitvirus]

Well you can blame that on their advertizing. Lupin, Trigun, and Blue Gender should've pulled in those ratings.
Yes because advertising automatically forces people to watch every episode.

[Chad Bonin]

"The Wizard's Baker" takes a new meaning, what with Brendon's talk with Josie, in reference to the series finalé.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

AS must have been at least content with the Saturday ratings, as they didn't make one joke about them, and even kinda-praised them.

no remember they got in their ASA hating shot early on thursdays viewer card

maybe all their bad hateful "advertising" of ASA is helping? those numbers do seem up from the week before http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Nin-Nin69]

Yes because advertising automatically forces people to watch every episode.Other than the fact that Lupin is one of the biggest cartoon characters worldwide, Trigun is praised highly here in the states, and Blue Gender attracts Starship Troopers/Sci Fi fanatics. Yet how would people know that these show were on until 1 week or less in advance when they start. Oh yeah the cards with them dancing. I'm sure that would attract the fans 1/2 way through the 1st or 2nd airing.

[William C. Maune]

I saw plenty of ads for Trigun and Lupin. Blue Gender was promoted a lot too. Even if the ads for shows don't start until a week before, the ads still air once the show has started. It isn't like the only advertising that does any good is the advertising before the show starts. In fact, once the show starts, it becomes its own best advertising. Advertising can at best only get people to tune in once, from there it is up to the show to carry itself.

[Youko Recca]

I wish Toonami and Adult Swim shows got promoted like Sex and the City...there would be ZERO complaints about no promotion. One of the best Futurama's aired and I loved it again.

[Wounded_Dragon]

Finally, a Case Closed Promo at 3am in the morning. Whooo.

[NeueZielZeon]

Other than the fact that Lupin is one of the biggest cartoon characters worldwide.You're assuming that just because a certain character is popular in Japan, they will immediately become popular on the other side of the world? What can be an extremely recognized character in one society may only have a small, cult following in another. Lupin happens to be one of these characters. The members at Toon Zone shouldn't be confusing this with an excuse like lack of advertising. You're asking to much out of the action programming on Adult Swim. Like it or not, while there can be considered a few anime titles accepted by mainstream society, the genre is still a cult following in North America.

I mean, Doraemon is insanely popular in Japan, but ask a random person of the streets in the United States, and they most likely will not understand what in the hell you are talking about.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

maybe people know about Doraemon thanks to the success of FLCL and the reference they threw into it made people look it up :confused: :) http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Nin-Nin69]

You're assuming that just because a certain character is popular in Japan, they will immediately become popular on the other side of the world? What can be an extremely recognized character in one society may only have a small, cult following in another. Lupin happens to be one of these characters. The members at Toon Zone shouldn't be confusing this with an excuse like lack of advertising. You're asking to much out of the action programming on Adult Swim. Like it or not, while there can be considered a few anime titles accepted by mainstream society, the genre is still a cult following in North America.
I'm sorry, did I say Japan? I said the world. He's popular across Europe, parts of Middle East, and even In South America.

[Tienshin]

I'm sorry, did I say Japan? I said the world. He's popular across Europe, parts of Middle East, and even In South America.

That fact still does not guarantee success in the United States, as clearly demonstrated by Lupin's performance on Adult Swim. And as others have mentioned stating that Lupin did not succeed due to poor promotion ignores the reality that people simply did not care the show.

The way I see it, if all of ASA is underpromoted then by your logic all ASA properties should fail, but obviously they don't. So clearly another factor must determine why some shows fail and some don't. Promotion does help, but it is not the ultimate factor that decides whether or not a particular ASA series catches on with the mainstream viewing audience.

[Nin-Nin69]

Well there are two reasons out in the open as to why people wouldn't watch Lupin:

One would be the dated animation. I don't see why that would turn off a viewer to watch something about 30 years old. Sure they wouldn't watch something as old as Popeye, but stuff like Scooby Doo, Flinstones, and everything that WS recycles seem to be ok with the audience.

The other reason is they just don't get it. That's something I'll never get myself. If people internationally (not just Japan) can understand Lupin, they why not an American audience? He's basicly one of the first action stars that has inspired plenty of characters created here in the States and worldwide. So people should've easily been able to pick them out.

Other people will ask silly questions like "Why does Lupin steal?" or "What is the point?" Sure they could've understood this easier if we were exposed to the Manga and Arsene Lupin novels in the US, but the key point of the begining of the show was the first episode. Yet many people missed the first episode after the first couple of runs. Why is that? Oh I don't know maybe it was the poor advertizing.:shrug:


If people probally tuned in since the begining and never caught it 1/2 way at some random point in the story, they could've known this: He is the 3rd generation of theives in his family, he works with an ancestor of another legendary theif, a mob runaway, and a woman that has killed over 1,000 men and can't be trusted. They are being hunted across the world by an officer that works for Interpol.

Simple facts, no? I picked out all of these within the first couple of episodes. Not to mention they brought up these facts and thoughts repeatly during the show. All you had to do was lissen to the dialogue and you're already have an idea of what's going on and who's who. If don't understand what is going on after that, then something is wrong with you. Either that or most of AS viewers have a short attention span and can't follow most anime that well.

[William C. Maune]

I think of about all the anime series on Adult Swim, Lupin is probably the one where seeing the first episode is the least important. There is no real important ongoing continuity and the back story isn't all that important to enjoying the episodes either. Similarly, you don't have to see the first Futurama episode in which it is described how Fry gets to the future, etc. to be able to enjoy latter episodes.

Edit: In fact, I didn't think the first Lupin episode was all that good of an introduction to the series. It referred back to the previous series that no one here had seen and it had them up against a supervillain type character unlike most of the rest of the episodes. While it introduced the characters, it wasn't really anything that can't be learned from watching the rest of the episodes. With the TV series at least, Lupin isn't exactly known for being deep.

[Duke]

maybe people know about Doraemon thanks to the success of FLCL and the reference they threw into it made people look it up :confused: :) http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif
Said many people probably amount to .0000001 of the US's population.

[~square~]

"The Wizard's Baker" takes a new meaning, what with Brendon's talk with Josie, in reference to the series finalé.

After watching the series finale and then watching the wizard's baker, I could see how that could be a reference to the last episode ever.

I watched some of the Brak Show. the best line was: "I'll put you in Room 1. Because 1 Stands for MURDER!" or something like that.

I loved that episode of Baby Blues. The padded walls were great. "The kids have wanted them ever since we visited grandpa."

Mission Hill is always funny. I just wish they would get more episodes. *sigh* or at least on DVD.

and, all the other shows were good and blah blah blah. what else can you say about episodes you've seen 1 million times?

[livingfruitvirus]

I'm sorry, did I say Japan? I said the world. He's popular across Europe, parts of Middle East, and even In South America.
Those countries have poor TV industries and barely make any of their own programming. So how have they filled time for these last few decades? IMPORT IMPORT IMPORT!!

[Duke]

Pschyoklahoma makes me wish there was a second Brak soundtrack.

[Wounded_Dragon]

If promotion doesn't make people want to watch shows, why do they show so many promos for the comedy portion?

[William C. Maune]

If promotion doesn't make people want to watch shows, why do they show so many promos for the comedy portion?

Promotion does help, but it doesn't do everything. Futurama and Family Guy get a lot of promotion because they have to succeed. Cartoon Network spent a lot more money on those than anything else on Adult Swim. As for the rest of comedy though, I don't see any promotion for Sealab or Home Movies and barely any for Baby Blues or Mission Hill.

[herbkir]

Lupin's problems in the USA don't have to do with the animation or other things people keep mentioning. It's that Lupin isn't a likeable character that USA audiences can relate to. And the rest of the cast isn't much better.

Anyway, Memorial Day weekend saw the highest rated anime, Inuyasha, tie the lowest rated comedy, Futurama. So action is nipping at comedy's heels.

I think that we may see an inconsistent pattern of Saturday action ratings with some being quite good and others being poor. It all will depend on what else is going on that weekend in the places where the Neilsen families live. For instance, things like an annual local festival or fair, or even the arrival of popular bar bands in the big local nightspots might draw away young adult viewers who otherwise would be home recording the fact that they're watching AS action. These kind of big local events generally are over by Sunday night but Saturdays are when they are in full swing. (^_*)

[livingfruitvirus]

Think of it this way - Inuyasha did beat Sealab and Birdman if it tied for 3rd with Futurama.

[Beat]

Lupin's problems in the USA don't have to do with the animation or other things people keep mentioning. It's that Lupin isn't a likeable character that USA audiences can relate to. And the rest of the cast isn't much better.
Oh, right, Americans can only identify with dimwit heiresses, morons who do anything for publicity, and Jim Belushi.:rolleyes:

The mere fact that a show on Saturday can tie a show on Sunday is something of a small miracle. If IY fans are anything, they're a dedicated lot...

[Nin-Nin69]

Those countries have poor TV industries and barely make any of their own programming. So how have they filled time for these last few decades? IMPORT IMPORT IMPORT!!
What about Europe then? Arsene Lupin Novels were big across Europe, mostly France. So you're telling me that they had no effect on the huge fan base for Lupin III? It was just something to import to fill in gaps? That had nothing to do with the fact that he's the grandson from of one of Europe's most popular novels? Even with the Arsene Lupin movie they're making for next year? This is just a gap by importing w/out some purpose?

[livingfruitvirus]

What about Europe then? Arsene Lupin Novels were big across Europe, mostly France. So you're telling me that they had no effect on the huge fan base for Lupin III? It was just something to import to fill in gaps? That had nothing to do with the fact that he's the grandson from of one of Europe's most popular novels? Even with the Arsene Lupin movie they're making for next year? This is just a gap by importing w/out some purpose?
Excuse me for not knowing any of that.

[Nin-Nin69]

No offence, LFV, it's just that most people knew that his original concept first started out in Europe.

I forget the name of the author, but he made an entire series of Arsene Lupin novels back in the 1890's and the 1900's. Sadly only one novel has made it here to the states, but they have been translated world wide. Monkey Punch was such a big fan of the novels he desided to create his grandson. And that is how Lupin III became so big.

[William C. Maune]

I think you may have hit on a big reason why it didn't become a hit in America. While it was popular in the rest of the world, due to the books, the rest of the world was already familiar with the concept. That isn't the case here in America.

[Artimus Gigan]

Besides Americans were introduced to James Bond first, then Austin Powers


Lupin compared to those two seems a bit knock-offy to most people because they were not familiar with it beforehand...

[SirLemming]

Pschyoklahoma makes me wish there was a second Brak soundtrack.Yeah, me too. I know everyone whined about how the show had too much singing, but I'd love a CD including the following songs and dialogue bits, among other things:

the first minute or so of Mother, Did You Move My Chair?
the "MOM" song from Mobab ("M is for her razmatazz... O is for the way she talks...")
the "Wherefore Art Thou, Mom?" song from Mobab ("Who's gonna acid-wash my jeans? Who's gonna pork my pork and beans?")
the song from Expiration Day where Brak talks about how one day he'll meet Thundercleese again and say "How ya doin' pal? Funny runnin' into you like this... How long have you been shopping heer? Did you know that the grapes are on sale?"
the asteroid song from Expiration Day ("There's an asteroid comin' in the dead of the night...")
the play from Psychoklahoma
pretty much all of Brakstreet
Brak's campaign song from President Dad
the President Dad campaign commercial
the credits of President Dad (reprise of campaign song)
And so on.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

wow and AS Weekend schedule card complete with Sat & Sun lineups! no episode titles/mentions of new episodes but that would probably make it run a little long anyway! http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Swordfish_II]

wow and AS Weekend schedule card complete with Sat & Sun lineups! no episode titles/mentions of new episodes but that would probably make it run a little long anyway! http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif
And it only took them two months!!

[Iridium128]

Has the JFK Pez dispenser scene in tonight's Family Guy episode (A Hero Sits Next Door) always been intact on AS, because I thought that it was edited both from the DVD and any future airings on TV...

EDIT: I just checked, and it is cut from the DVDs (only region 1 though). Odd how it'd show up on AS but not on DVD.

[Majin_Megabyte]

The last episode of Cowboy Bebop, always somehow makes me felt like to cry for some reasons. The episode is good, and all but somehow it makes me cry when the song before the Spike Vs. Viscoius makes me cry.

[Anime Guy]

Has the JFK Pez dispenser scene in tonight's Family Guy episode (A Hero Sits Next Door) always been intact on AS, because I thought that it was edited both from the DVD and any future airings on TV...

EDIT: I just checked, and it is cut from the DVDs (only region 1 though). Odd how it'd show up on AS but not on DVD.Yeah. Oh well, I'm glad it shows up on AS because that is one of my favorites scenes/references in the episode.

The last episode of Cowboy Bebop, always somehow makes me felt like to cry for some reasons. The episode is good, and all but somehow it makes me cry when the song before the Spike Vs. Viscoius makes me cry.Yeah. I guess that's because we just don't want to have to carry the weight of the series ending. Though the show rerunning all the time does help me deal with the end, ironically.

[Perfect Cell]

I think the reason Lupin didnt hit it off is the old animation, nothing more... not anything psychological, its simply because most Adult Swim watchers are fickle... Look at the flops... its the old school anime that doesnt fly. Not likeable characters because lupin himself rawks. :moon:


Anyways, dont blame me, i love Lupin, I went to Rome last year and i saw someone with a Lupin shirt, i asked him where to get it cause i wanted one too :p

[Rurouni Kenshin]

I believe the first episode of CB is on tonight, never seen the series before, so I think I will watch this run.

[Duke]

I believe the first episode of CB is on tonight, never seen the series before, so I think I will watch this run.
Everytime someone says this, I stare at the screen in shock.

[Beat]

Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas past is still funnier than every Sealab episode combined.

[Swordfish_II]

"...and there was much defecation."

:D

[Aquadementia]

No offence, LFV, it's just that most people knew that his original concept first started out in Europe.

I forget the name of the author, but he made an entire series of Arsene Lupin novels back in the 1890's and the 1900's. Sadly only one novel has made it here to the states, but they have been translated world wide. Monkey Punch was such a big fan of the novels he desided to create his grandson. And that is how Lupin III became so big.
Thanks for the lead Nin-nin69. I found 4 Lupin books on Project Gutenberg (http://www.gutenberg.net/cgi-bin/search/t9.cgi?author=Leblanc&title=&subject=&ntes=&whole=yes&language=&filetype=&class_lc=). Yummm, vanilla text. The author's name is Maurice Leblanc, and one co-written with Edgar Jepson.
I have only skimmed over the first chapters of three of them, but this is what it looks like so far.

Arsene Lupin, not much happens in the first chapter, maybe a few vary subtle things in the background, but it's mostly just setting the stage.
The Hollow Needle, crime from the start, kind of fun with varry Lupin3 like pranks, my favorite so far.
The Extraordinary Adventures of Arsen Lupin, looks vary promising as Lupin apparently tries to steel from the passengers of an ocean liner, even through the crew has been tipped off to his presence.
The Crystal Stopper, the one I haven't really read yet, but it looks like solid Lupin right out of the gate.
I'm definitly going to be reading one of these this weekend. Something needs to fill mystery void left by 3 Detective Conan free days.

Maybe this could be the start of an AS book club? We have the Lupin novels, Sherlock Holmes from Detective Conan, and from ATHF, what's the name of that magazine that Carl reads? Ok, maybe that wouldn't be so good.

[Duke]

"Maybe they should call it Detective Conan."

Brilliant.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

"Maybe they should call it Detective Conan."

Brilliant.

[stupid ------- lawyers]

:)

[Tapout]

That's the best ending to any Family Guy. "Canada sucks." Awesome.

[lostrune]

Heheheh. It's ironic funny that even the Williams Street people acknowledge that the end of ASA is when Inuyasha ends. Their ratings are pretty much propped up by those IY fangrrrls. They're just counting the days.... :D

[Master Moron]

I think the reason Lupin didnt hit it off is the old animation, nothing more... not anything psychological, its simply because most Adult Swim watchers are fickle... Look at the flops... its the old school anime that doesnt fly. Not likeable characters because lupin himself rawks. :moon:


I'm so sick of Lupin fans blaming it's failure on the animation. I loved Mobile Suit Gundam and that had worse animation than Lupin. I didn't like Lupin because the plots were lame and it wasn't funny. Though, I suppose if I had more exposure to the novels and stuff I might be more interested.

Anyway, what was with the Professor Weird opening on Thursday? Why was the laboratory covered with blood and bones? Whose eyes were those?

[Anime Guy]

Anyway, what was with the Professor Weird opening on Thursday? Why was the laboratory covered with blood and bones? Whose eyes were those?It doesn't matter. After the first few episodes, the Dr. Wierd openings mean nothing to the actual show.

[lostrune]

I'm so sick of Lupin fans blaming it's failure on the animation. I loved Mobile Suit Gundam and that had worse animation than Lupin.

And guess what? MSG was a ratings failure too.
So, you're not exactly helping your cause. :p

CN had also already admitted that any old-looking animation they show has been a ratings-repellant. Thundercats, Voltron, etc. So, it's not a new phenomenon.

[Master Moron]

It doesn't matter. After the first few episodes, the Dr. Wierd openings mean nothing to the actual show.

But, what was the joke? Aren't the Dr. Weird openings supposed to be funny or something? What's funny about blood and bones on the floor and a pair of red eyes?

[Anime Guy]

But, what was the joke? Aren't the Dr. Weird openings supposed to be funny or something? What's funny about blood and bones on the floor and a pair of red eyes?The fact that Dr. Wierd and Steve were killed by something they made only to return in future episodes becuase of the selective continuity in this show? I dunno. Maybe there wasn't even a joke.

[Master Moron]

The fact that Dr. Wierd and Steve were killed by something they made only to return in future episodes becuase of the selective continuity in this show? I dunno. Maybe there wasn't even a joke.

How do you know they were killed? It could have been someone else's blood and bones, like Dr. Weird's roommate.