C&C - Detective Conan/Case Closed - Week 2 [5/31-6/3]

[Don_East]

No one made one, so here it is.

[SirLemming]

Man, I really wish there was another episode on RIGHT NOW! This show keeps me addicted. I wonder how long they can keep this up.

I like how so many of the clues exist long before Conan puts them all together. Theoretically, a smart viewer can piece things together first.

So I wonder if Rachel will be typically ignorant, or if she really is starting to wonder about little Conan.

[Botman]

I'm getting quite annoyed by the fact that Jimmy/Conan has to solve cases behind everyone's back...

Although I assume that this trend will not stop anytime soon...Quoted once again for emphasis.

Tonight's episode, with people constantly holding Conan back, telling him to "stop causing trouble", is just the kind of stuff I was afraid was going to happen to this series.

Is Jimmy/Conan ever going to be able to solve serious crimes in the same way he solved the roller coaster case from the 1st episode ever again? (Doubt it...:()

[Anime Freak]

Nice,this was a pretty good eppy. Although, the last minute kick thing was kinda obvious. That seems to happen whenever a timer is involved.

[Youko Recca]

Nice this episode was. I'm sure I'm not the only one who forgot what the clue for this episode right? Glad I can really tune into this show and become engulfed, the junior detective ulcers always seemed to pop up just in time to cover up for loose bugs.

[fearlessleader7]

I liked this episode. I guess the whole Jimmy being a kid thing wasn't so bad afterall. I'll give this episode an A.

[TnAdct1]

I like how so many of the clues exist long before Conan puts them all together. Theoretically, a smart viewer can piece things together first.
Of course, the person with the bomb was obvious if you remembered the hint for this episode (cell phone).

[randi]

Tonights wasn't so bad. I thought it was the old man. Hum. I'm looking for a list of Conan's Hints. And all I'm find on Google is まさかこれを載ておられる方がいらっしゃるなんて stuff and it isn't helping one bit. ::looks above his post:: So thats what they are for. Well its not stopping me from looking for them anyway.

[EightOh]

Man, I really wish there was another episode on RIGHT NOW!That's my biggest problem with this show: They only show one episode a night. Run new episodes from 11-5, every night!

At first, I thought this would be a neat, innocuous little show. But I'm finding myself drawn in more and more by each episode. Detective Conan is like an anime version of Starburst candies, or Pringles. You take a bite out of one... and then another... and another... before you even realize it, you've eaten a dozen and you still want more.

[herbkir]

Part of what makes this show interesting is that Conan not only has to solve the crime, but also has to figure out how to put that solution out there for the adults to find.

Meantime, in tonight's episode, he used his little kid appearance to gather information that later helped him determine that the woman was the party the crooks dealt with on the train. Once he'd figured out who unknowingly had the bomb and how the bomb would be activated, he didn't have time to get adults involved. The power boots from the doc helped him kick the briefcase bomb off the train. The pieces all tied together nicely.

And Rachel looked really good tonight in her traveling outfit. Her line "This is why parents use medication" was a hoot. Conan almost told Rachel who he was. He'll probably have other times where he almost lets his secret out. A satisfying episode overall. (^_*)

[Mr. Pedro]

Case Closed: Now you can play along at home!

But honestly, this one was pretty good. It kept me guessing to the very end (or at least to the point where the whole deal was explained). The kids were funny, but got annoying after a while. Raquel (I always screw up the English spelling, so screw it) had some good lines (the quip about medication was one of my favorites). I guess being a kid allows you to get away with crap that wouldn't be tolerated from anyone else.

So................................yay Conan.

Grade:B+

[Youko Recca]

Cell phone, that's what it was. I need to remember chocolate.

[Samurai]

That's my biggest problem with this show: They only show one episode a night. Run new episodes from 11-5, every night!
And with over 350+ episodes, there'd still be no shortage of eps...

I'm just amazed, the animators must be insanely overworked to consistently produce so many episodes...

[Jowy Blight]

That's my biggest problem with this show: They only show one episode a night. Run new episodes from 11-5, every night!

I agree, I need more!

Great show thus far. I'm also suprised that the Junior Detective kids don't annoy me anywhere near as much as kids in anime tend to do (Chris from Sonic X for example). I'm really wondering if Conan ever does see those guys in black that shrunk him again.

[Sublime420]

And with over 350+ episodes, there'd still be no shortage of eps...

I'm just amazed, the animators must be insanely overworked to consistently produce so many episodes...Yeah, well, need need someone to incredibly overwork animators over here. It's good to know that it's not quickly dwindling everywhere.

It's strange though, ya'll are right. I never wanted to see an episode so badly after one finished on a show with pretty much no story arch. The anticipations almost better then the show. heh. Christmas four nights a week, CASE CLOSED.

[livingfruitvirus]

Yeah, well, need need someone to incredibly overwork animators over here.
More like over in Korea.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

how about I trying listing stuff this time hehehe!

1) we can complain about how WS treats anime but how about here? the IY, WR's and now this weeks CC topics have gone forgotten or not to nice type ups

2) the show is good now but what about repeats? the mysteries won't no longer be mysteries~maybe CC should be on ASA instead of weekdays

3) why does it matter if Conan gets the credit? he solves the cases. since Jimmy was never found dead he probably didn't make the obituary page in the newspaper so those thugs might know he is alive someplace and wouldn't a genius grade school detective get their attention?

4) good episode! I guessed it was the lady since she was the only girl of the bunch and they would think I would think not to suspect her but they were wrong!!!!!! :)

5) Conans gadgets are cool! good to see the old man doesn't make stuff that only blows up! wonder about the transmitter though..is he gonna dig through that yucky gum to get it back? :confused: http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Samurai]

More like over in Korea.
LOL!!!

[Master Moron]

Well, this was the first episode where I solved the mystery, but only because I remembered the clue.

I kind of wondered why he didn't fill in his Junior Detective Squad. They could have helped to investigate the suspects. While they maybe just kids, they would have been able to search all the briefcases much more quickly than Conan alone.

[Tapout]

I hope the clues don't make the culprit so obvious as it did in this one. I'd forgotten it was "cell phone" on Thursday but remembered when they showed tonight's and realized they completely gave this one away.

If they keep the other kids to a minimum like they did tonight maybe I won't want to kill them three weeks into the series.

I want to see this entire series played out if for no other reason than to see how they can justify keeping Jimmy a kid for 300+ episodes without people getting tired of it.

[Teek]

I agree with Dirtbag, I'm glad I forgot the last episode clue about the cell phone. That one was just a little bit to obvious on the anime makers part, at least the previous clues didn't blatantly give it away. In any case, another enjoyable episode. I still continue to dig this show, good stuff.

Earlier today I *ahem* happened to watch the latest episode of the Detective Conan series that just aired in Japan (ep. 362 :eek: ). Looks like the series is still in line with how it is now, but it looked like the episode was a continuation. Someone mentioned in the previous Conan thread about how it moves to a couple parters later in the series, I had wondered if they could keep up the quality over a 2-3 episode arc, looks like they can. The animation also improved but it was still in the same style. Hopefully this is just the beginning of Conan's long run on Cartoon Network.

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM1.jpg



BUSTED!


Very amusing episode! Conan turns his weakness into a strength as he finds the person with the bomb.

Dang, I agree that the cell-phone clue was a dead giveaway to the identity of the culprit in this episode. :( They should have use "mountain" instead, less obvious.

Part of what makes this show interesting is that Conan not only has to solve the crime, but also has to figure out how to put that solution out there for the adults to find.
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Aye I agree. Its fun watching Conan point out the clues and finding out how they all fall into place at the end. For this episode, it was neat to watch him find tid bits of hints from the conversation the two goons had. Dang I need to pay more attention to this kinda stuff :sweat:


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2) the show is good now but what about repeats? the mysteries won't no longer be mysteries~maybe CC should be on ASA instead of weekdays
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There is still some repeat value to these shows. It is fun to look for the clues once you know how the crime/case was solved. So a viewer at home might be interested in re-runs.

Fun stuff from this episode: Conan screaming MULTIPLE, which gets everyones attention in the cab. Then he starts reciting the multiplication table to cover his outburst. :) . Conan making excuse after excuse to get away from Rachel. Those gadgets are neat. I was expecting for him to use his bow tie to try and warn those conductors though. Oh well.

Not much else to say. Later.

[lostrune]

1. Heh, the Moores sat the kids on a traincar that allows smoking! :eek:

2. OK, no cuts again, just some dialogue changes - some made it funnier or even closed a hole:

a. Conan's intro monologue isn't always generic. Like for this ep, he originally actually mentioned about the Shinkansen train.

b. Conan's shoes not only work with electricity but also magnetism (y'know, like those magnets athletes use), but neither really make sense, so it doesn't really matter. :D

c. Originally, the two M.I.B. didn't actually say their client has to "press some buttons" to activate the bomb. They just said that the client would explode the bomb without knowing it. I think that would've made it slightly harder for Conan to figure out at first (Conan later did figure out it had to do with pressing buttons). :shrug:

d. Heheh, yeah, Rachel's funny comment about "why parents resort to medication" wasn't the original line. :D

e. Other slight changes: "Mt. Fincher" was originally "Mt. Fuji" obviously, "superhero" was "Anpanman," the "amusement park" was specifically "Disneyland" (the one in Tokyo).

f. Conan's "lack of respect" for "Ms. Moore" was originally him calling her just by her first name alone (in a serious tone) while she wants him to call her "-neechan" ("older sister"). In a hierarchal society like Japan, there are rules on how to address people. :sweat:

g. The dub actually added the "drapes were closed" on the other side of the lady's car. It actually fixed the hole in the original that the lady could've seen Mt. Fuji even from her side of the car if the windows there were open. :cool:

h. Yeah, this ep was real easy if people remembered the hint. Good thing there was a weekend to make people forget. Still, there was still the challenge of how Conan would figure it out himself, even when we already know who. :D


3. Alright, next ep is the obligatory Valentine's Day ep, and that chocolate is actually the "Valentine chocolate" that Japanese girls traditionally give to guys (even friends and bosses - the guys then give back on "White Day" a month later). :anime:


Is Jimmy/Conan ever going to be able to solve serious crimes in the same way he solved the roller coaster case from the 1st episode ever again? (Doubt it...:()

He won't be "Conan the kid" all the time. ;)


I'm really wondering if Conan ever does see those guys in black that shrunk him again.

Of course. And those 2 M.I.B. are actually competent adversaries for Conan. :cool:


I kind of wondered why he didn't fill in his Junior Detective Squad. They could have helped to investigate the suspects. While they maybe just kids, they would have been able to search all the briefcases much more quickly than Conan alone.

Conan may have thought the kids are still too inexperienced that they may actually alert the perpetrator, instead of keeping the search discreet.


I want to see this entire series played out if for no other reason than to see how they can justify keeping Jimmy a kid for 300+ episodes without people getting tired of it.

As I mentioned before, the series later becomes more of a "character story" and with more characters making things more complicated. :)

[Duke]

h. Yeah, this ep was real easy if people remembered the hint.
As soon as they panned the passangers in first class, I immediately knew it was the woman.

3. Alright, next ep is the obligatory Valentine's Day ep, and that chocolate is actually the "Valentine chocolate" that Japanese girls traditionally give to guys (even friends and bosses - the guys then give back on "White Day" a month later). :anime:
Girls give guys M&M's & Hershey's Bars for Valentine's Day? I thought they just gave out candy hearts.

[Tienshin]

1) we can complain about how WS treats anime but how about here? the IY, WR's and now this weeks CC topics have gone forgotten or not to nice type ups

As everyone has surely noticed by now, we don't do "nice" write ups for ANY talkback. Missing this talkback was a mere oversight which happens from time to time and doesn't reflect one way or the other how any of the mods feel about anime.

Besides, as the FAQ notes if we leave a talkback undone, then a member can make it and we'll stick it.

K?

[Matthew Williams]

and, it should be noted, that missing the talkback was a complete slipup on my part. Been a little sidetracked with eight million other things but it should be back to good after today. (This is also why Dr. Phil hasn't shown up.)

I don't hate anime, I'm just a lazy ass.

[EightOh]

I don't hate anime, I'm just a lazy ass.Dude, that's my life story.

[lostrune]

3. Alright, next ep is the obligatory Valentine's Day ep, and that chocolate is actually the "Valentine chocolate" that Japanese girls traditionally give to guys (even friends and bosses - the guys then give back on "White Day" a month later). :anime:
Girls give guys M&M's & Hershey's Bars for Valentine's Day? I thought they just gave out candy hearts.

M&M's and Hershey Bars what? Is that what you give your gf on Valentine's? :D

It's the same saying: the more heart put into the gift, the more special it is. :)

You can read more about it here (http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa020401a.htm).

Heck, read what some Japanese think about it on a Pop Vox (http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=popvox&id=458&page=4). :D

[Beat]

Those kids are threatening to kill this for me. They really are. It's a good thing G4TechTV hasn't gotten those new Last Exile eps yet...

[Sketch]

Anime Unleashed is on at 9PM and 1AM for me. So I never have to miss my Conan.

Great episode.

The gum thing was priceless.

So was the nod at ridalin (sp?)

Does anyone else think that the first episode was by far the worst looking thus far. Since then the animation has gotten much better even though they were animated one after the other. I wonder why.

[NewLib]

I dont expect Anime Unleashed to last past the summer since the new mangement of G4TechTv seems intent on destroying every good thing that Tech TV ever had to offer. The Screen Savers, Anime Unleashed, and X-Play all look like they are heading for the chopping blocks.

Oh yeah. I like this series.

[PearlRose86]

In Japan, they only get one episode of "Conan" a week, right?

We're lucky enough to have AS show 4 episodes a week, and I'm still not content. I'm getting very into this show - enough to seriously consider buying the DVD's whenever they are released... when was that date again?

Yesterday's episode with the train was rather good. The kids didn't get on my case, Conan dealing with his kiddy-ness was fine, and Rachel was most amusing. After it had aired, I wanted the next episode to air right away - I'm really looking forward to tonight's, as I thought the preview for it was very good.

Too bad I'm probably gonna have to start taping CC again... the summer camp I'm a counselor in is starting, and I can't stay up until 1 AM anymore and deal with a group of elementary school students for 7 hours the next day.

[Sampo]

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The gum thing was priceless.

Aye, I was cracking up when I saw that scene. Rachel suppose to be his girlfriend, but in that scene it appeared that an older sis was scolding her kid brother.



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Does anyone else think that the first episode was by far the worst looking thus far. Since then the animation has gotten much better even though they were animated one after the other. I wonder why.
Strange, since you mentioned it I had the same feelings too. Maybe its because we are now use to the "big ears" and the character designs (arg, sorry its hard to put my thoughts to words) after watching a couple of episodes.

[Jaguar]

Last night/this morning's episode was pretty good. I give it a B.

[Duke]

I think I'm the only one who didn't notice the big ears until everybody noted it in last week's thread...

[Mystic Shadow]

Well, this episode wasn't my favorite. There was too much Connan, you can't do that, in this episode. and the cell phone was a dead give away. As for the character desighn goes, I got over the ears but I can't let down the lips. They don't have bottom lips... I mean bottom lines. The red from their moth goes right into their skin. I have no idea why that bothers me.

Anyway, decent none the less, B

[PickHut]

Good episode. I didn't think the other kids were gonna show up in this episode, the next episode previews do a good job of not giving too much away. The ending was too predictable as to how he was going to get rid of the bomb, since he hasn't used his shoes for the entire episode.

I give Time Bomb Express an A-.

[tucsoncoyote]

I decided to watch Last night's episode of Case Closed on Adult Swim and I just happened to come in on The Time Bomb Express episode. In fact Now I can see why the japanese fans of this series like it..

First off the idea of a teen being turned into a kid..(of course this goes back to my thoughts on Yu Yu Hakisho where Yuske gets turned into a spirit (a Ghost.)

but Believe me Conan isn't one slouch when it comes to Deductive reasoning. (maybe he'll become the next Batman icon..(Maybe))

But what really surprised me was that by simple logical Reasoning Conan Cracks the Case, but almost gets everyone killed.. 10 seconds isn't a Long Time to get a Rigged Suitcase out the Window.. (even by Kicking it..) but hey I give kudos whoever created this show.. It's fun to even listen to, and the interactions between Conan, and the Kids and Rachel Moore are priceless.

For this one episode alone, I gotta start watching this series a bit more.. after all I thought the Show's Title was a little odd (Sounds almost as silly as Fooly Cooly, but I say that this episode definitely gets my approval. a Definite A winner..(Note to self: Watch more of this series.. along with Code:Lyoko)

:coyote:

[eyager]

I don't think mondays episode would go over too well in Madrid, Spain. In recent months, suitcase bombs loaded aboard a train full of passengers were detonated by cell phones in a terrorist attack carried out by muslim extremists. 191 people were killed. If such an event happened in the United States, I'm sure this episode would be forever banned!

Good episode anyways.

[Zyzzybalubah]

Good Episode. The junior detectives aren't very pesky, but I hope they don't have to be in every new episode of this show. I kind of like it when Conan does his work alone.

LOL. I find it really funny the guy who plays the voice of Younger Toguro in Yu Yu Hakusho also does the voice of George in Detective Conan in the dub. HAHAHAHA

[Rabi~en~Rose]

oh oh oh! why do they keep saying Jimmy got shrunk? I mean yeah he did in a way but he was turned back into a kid not shrunk shrunk like what Reducto does or how the ATHF was :confused: http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Aquadementia]

This was a good show, as he used a few clues to narrow a train full of suspects down to just 4. I guess even in Japan cell phones weren't as ubiquitous in 96 as they are toady.

The boxer short man. When I saw him with that tentacle hanging out of his mouth I thought there were 3 explanations.
1. He is an agent of Cthulhu.
2. He is the kind of guy that eats with his mouth open.
3. A tentacle is the Japanese version of our carrot sticks when it comes to trying to stop smoking.

I'm glad to see they wont completely ignoring some details like not hearing from Conans parents.
"We have parents?" Mimi from Duel Masters.

Goody, more gadgets. Bionic shoes and finally glasses that have lenses. Sticking the microphone in gum sounds like a bad way to treat your high tech devices, but it did give us one funny moment when he got caught sticking it under the chair and got chewed out by a little girl. There was a lot in this episode that established him as a little boy in the eyes of the grown-ups.

Conan went to using his kidness to his advantage rather easily. It makes it a greater surprise when he does something to reveal he is more then just another 7 year old boy.
And it's interesting to see how he balances using the multiplication table trio as his only allies while keeping them away from danger.

[Yash]

I knew how the cellphone would be used before I even saw the episode.

Remember... chocolate...

[SirLemming]

Yeah, the cellphone clue was too obvious. I hope they don't do that again.

Also, I just realized that the concept of smoking is integral to the plot of this one, which would make for some tough, intricate editing. In fact, I really don't know how they'd do it. How could they change one of the pieces to such a tightly worked mystery? It'd be even worse than that YYH incident where Yusuke's clever, resourceful victory had to be changed to a complete fluke.

[PaQ]

Wow, just as quickly another week of new Case Closed episodes are airing on AS. I better do this review quickly before the next episode airs. What better way to start off the week then with an explosive mystery aboard a train.

We see the episode open up with Richard Moore, his daughter Rachel, and "Dr. Agasa's relative" Conan on a train. Apparently taking a break from all that hard detective work.. :rolleyes: C'mon Richard get off your lazy butt, not all your cases have to involve Pop Idols! After sharing some disgruntled feelings for having to take Conan along, it's revealed that the rest of the JDL, Mitch, George and Amy were also on the train. Comes out their parents paid for their tickets.. It's true what Richard said about parents (at least in anime), they just throw them onto someone else.

Rachel comments on Conan's new shoes.. thus the segway to the introduction of two new gadgets for Conan from Dr. Agasa. First the shoes, which Dr. Agasa tinkered with and now, with a certain shift Conan does, the shoes can stimulate the muscles in his feet to strengthen his feet by two!! Then the glasses, Dr. Agasa configured a listening device into the glasses, basically a bug.

So then the kids kids go exploring the train, while Conan doesnt.. Then all of a sudden he sees.. MEN IN BLACK!! Thinking they are the same ones from the Big Shrink, Conan follows them to the Dining Car.. He figures it's the best time to try out that bug, so he puts it in some gum and sticks it under the seat of the men... only to get caught by Rachel! Luckily Amy was there and took the gum and wrapped it in a napkin and put it in the ashtray.. which thankfully made it only easier for Conan to hear the MIB later.. As Conan ends up bumping paths with the MIB, he realizes that they weren't the ones from the Big Shrink.. but he did notice that one of them had a lot larger bag then before.. So he decides to listen to their conversation, Conan's close multiple slipup ensues.. luckily the JDL thought he just wanted to practice math tables.. and he finds out that there is a bomb set to go off..

After being unsuccessful in stopping the MIB from getting off, thanks to Rachel. And then not being able to convince the conductors to stop the train, thanks to being little. "Don't worry kid, i'll call some superheros to save the day on our red phone." Conan has to depend on his deductive reasoning, as time is running short, after using the knowledge of the JDL's earlier exploration, Conan cuts down on the possibilities, but he keeps falling short, and ends up getting scolded by Rachel.. Realizing time is against him, he almost reveals to the suddenly strict Rachel, who he really is... until overhearing the convo of the JDL about the mountain view.. he realizes that the woman he talked to earlier was the person he was looking for! Once I saw the phone, I knew it was the lady, since that was what the clue was.. Pretty easy, unfortunately. :sad: Using the JDL as a distraction to get away from Rachel, he runs towards the area where the lady makes a call.. Realizing he was too late, and had only 10 seconds, he charges his shoes up, and makes a running kick to the case knocking it out the window of the train where it explodes! The train stops, the villains are captured, and Conan is revealed to really be.. a troublemaker!

Next episode's clue: Chocolate

I give "The Time Bomb Express" an A.

[Chad Bonin]

I... actually figured that, since Kenan DIDN'T eat cake, it'd have an antidote to something everyone consumed.

[The_Dominion]

I called the poisoned coffee from the begining, even the cake antidote. I feel so cool, and my mom agrees.

[Orimono_Shujin]

I got caught completely off gaurd. Maybe my mind is just working slow today.

Clue Figuring Out Record... 5-1

[shogunthethird]

I knew something funny was up when Kenan's mother scolded her son for chocolate and then gave him cake later, admittedly though once again the show caught me completely off-guard, unless they mentioned something about Kenan being rich in the first five minutes that I missed....it's always uber-creepy when a parent stoops to murdering their kid, even when it's not their own kid, although it was wierd hearing Kazuma Kuwabara coming out of Tommy (who I'm convinced was some sort of american power rangers joke)

[SirLemming]

Look look, Rachel! Jimmy is behind you in the sun!

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Ooh, this was an interesting twist on things. There wasn't even any mystery for the entire first half of the episode. It made the clues less obvious. You kinda had to pay attention to everything going on without them telling you.

I can't believe Conan pulled off the whole "stun the detective" stunt again. I hope they don't use that too much, though. Otherwise he won't have to come up with so many creative ways to help the real detectives solve the crime. But it will be fun, once in a while, if we see the detective (I forgot his name) and a chair and we know what Conan's about to do.

That musclebound guy... he HAS to be voiced by Chris Sabat. I was convinced that George was too.

[Tapout]

Why was I not at all suprised that the musclehead guy was voiced by the same person as Kuwabara?

I'm suprised the cigarette pack wasn't edited somehow to remove the logo. They change things like that all the time to prevent giving companies free advertising. I'd think it'd be even moreso with a cigarette company.

Very good episode tonight,

[randi]

This was a good epsoide. Even though I knew the hint I couldn't figure it out. These cases are hard.

[SirLemming]

I'm suprised the cigarette pack wasn't edited somehow to remove the logo. They change things like that all the time to prevent giving companies free advertising. I'd think it'd be even moreso with a cigarette company.I think it was Marlporo.

[PaQ]

Well I was right with the killer being the mom, but totally off with the way of death. I thought she was a liar by being freaked out with the kid having the chocolate so she said that thing about cavities, and then gave him cake later.. thus I thought the poison was in the chocolate..

I totally didn't see the coffee coming, and then having the cake as the antidote, knowing Kenan wouldn't eat it.. ingenious.. :eek:

Review later. :p

[fearlessleader7]

I really liked this episode. I figured this one out before Jimmy did, though. :D

One thing that bothers me, though, is why didn't they ask Rachel's dad how he knew the "kid brother" was scolded for eating the chocolate and then later allowed to eat cake? Did they give the police a full account of the events that took place at the party beforehand? And if they did, why did they all act surprised when the one girl (I forget her name) announced that the boy gave Kenan a cigarette? :confused:

I also thought Tommy sounded like Kuwabara.

I'll give this episode an A+ :)

[Nin-Nin69]

Heh. Kuwabara's VA did the voice for Tommy. :cool:

Not a bad episode. However, it was easy to figure out who was the killer once I noticed Kenan's mother giving his little brother cake. The best part had to be with Conan and Tommy kissing. That cracked me up.

Oh and damn those episode previews. Can't they make them spoiler proof? Jeez it's making it easier to guess the crime before Jimmy can call the shots. Not to mention that his secret will be revealed. I think to heighter the tention for the viewers of the Case Closed, you should change the channel when the episode previews go on. Otherwise it will take away part of the suspence effect from guessing who comitted the crime since you're looking for certain items and know what Conan is searching for.

[Anime Freak]

Err yeah, maybe its me but wasn't there an inconsistency in tonight's eppy? How in the world would Richard have known that the Mother scolded the kid about chocolate and then gave him cake,huh? Didn't anyone there even think it strange that Richard knew about that? Or maybe I caught somthing wrong here? Still a great eppy though, i liked this one a lot better than the last one. Still i'm wondering if we're going to get to see more of Dr.Agasa. These flashback things aren't working for me.

[Nin-Nin69]

Err yeah, maybe its me but wasn't there an inconsistency in tonight's eppy? How in the world would Richard have known that the Mother scolded the kid about chocolate and then gave him cake,huh? Didn't anyone there even think it strange that Richard knew about that? Or maybe I caught somthing wrong here?Good point. Richard wouldn't have known that important fact unless he somehow was there at the scene of the crime. I guess everyone was too intrigued about his earlier statments leading up to that clue, so everyone glazed over how he knew.

I'd also like to point out that one of the girls at the party was standing right behind the couch next to the chair that Richard was passed out on. From where she was standing, she could've easily seen Conan sitting behind him. How stupid can these people be? :sweat:

[TnAdct1]

I'm suprised the cigarette pack wasn't edited somehow to remove the logo. They change things like that all the time to prevent giving companies free advertising. I'd think it'd be even moreso with a cigarette company.
As someone pointed out, the brand name was partially changed (Marlparo). Also, they did keep the billboard for Salem cigarettes in one episode of Cowboy Bebop, which shows that product placements for cigarettes isn't a problem on AS.

As for the solution, while I had an idea that somehow poison was the cause of death, I didn't expect the "mother" to be the killer.

[SirLemming]

Err yeah, maybe its me but wasn't there an inconsistency in tonight's eppy? How in the world would Richard have known that the Mother scolded the kid about chocolate and then gave him cake,huh? Didn't anyone there even think it strange that Richard knew about that? Or maybe I caught somthing wrong here?That's a VERY good point. Conan was lucky that these people aren't as alert as he is. He should be more careful next time.

You know, I think this show is increasing the IQ of everyone who watches it.

[EightOh]

One thing that bothers me, though, is why didn't they ask Rachel's dad how he knew the "kid brother" was scolded for eating the chocolate and then later allowed to eat cake?Actually, I'm pretty sure "Richard" said something to the effect of, "I heard you scolded Sam (?) for eating chocolate and then gave him cake shortly thereafter."

[Nin-Nin69]

Yet there is a reason why this senario never took place.

Inspector- "From who?"

Richard- "Conan."

Since when does he lissen to stuff he points out unless everyone in the room heard it? If you notice, when ever he tries to point out something to one of the law officals or his friends, Richard pushes him aside. Yet when he confronts the suspect with the statement, everyone clues in. Jimmy's identy would've been spoiled if they had the Inspector or any of the suspects ask how he knew that.

[Mr. Pedro]

Pretty good. Scattered thoughts can be found below.

-He he. I see Tommy but can't stop thinking Kuwabara. That guy was gold tonight.

-The kiss? That was just plain wrong (says my brother who was watching as well).

-Wasn't too sad to see Kenan get whacked. He was a jerk.

-The chocolate/cake thing was the first red flag, I'll agree to that.

-Okay, I'll buy the poison deal, but the antidote in the food as well? That does seem a bit much.

-Does anyone bother to look at Richard's mouth while he's (not) speaking about the case? If someone was trying to solve a murder in the house I was in, I'd try to pay a bit more attention to whatever the hell's going on.

-Is it just me, or did it come off as akward when Killer Mom tried to cram about 15 years worth of back story into a 2-minute line?

-Sorry Tommy, you don't mess with Raquel like that.:D

-Hmm. I guess we get the "White Day" episode is next (white bags, references to gifts, hey I'm just like Conan now!:p ).

Grade:B

[Duke]

I'll say these cases are hard. I too thought it was Katie (poisoning him then running away screaming would be a perfect alibi), but I didn't even suspect the mother until I noticed her washing dishes. And I certainly didn't guess the whole coffee/poison/cake/antidote plot until Conan explained it. Damn, these cases are good.

Next episode would be a bit more suspenseful if I didn't already know that Rachel still doesn't know about Conan being Jimmy in the 300's...

[The_Dominion]

That's a VERY good point. Conan was lucky that these people aren't as alert as he is. He should be more careful next time.

You know, I think this show is increasing the IQ of everyone who watches it.He said 'I heard that...'. So we have to presume someone was supposed to have told him. Everyone there would naturally assume that the person next to them must have told him that. No one would bother checking it, I mean why bother. What is a bigger plot hole is the fact that his mouth isn't moving, his eyes aren't open, and he isn't even making any movements. Someone would question that.

Oh, and why was it so easy for me to know it was the mother? There were 3 important clues, basically what Conan later pointed out. I knew once he chose to not eat the cake it would be what killed him. It was obvious because she forced her child to have sweets, even after scolding him. I knew that it wouldn't be the lover. I knew it wouldn't be the kid with the cigarettes, that is because they have never, up to this point, came out and directly stated the killer. That automatically ruled him out. It was the easiest one, and the only one I actually guessed completely right, out of all the episodes.

[SirLemming]

Oh, I see. So everyone's stupid again. Ha!

[Botman]

Well, maybe I overreacted over the previous episode. This one was much better, though.

No one was dragging Conan away from the crime scene, and the police actually listened to him when he mentioned the ciggarette.

More episodes like this, and less like last night's, and I just might get used to him not solving cases directly.

[Sketch]

Kenan was voiced by Leonardo's VA (4kids Leonardo that is). I knew Schemmel worked with 4kids but I didn't know anyone from 4kids ever worked with FUNimation. Interesting... they have a pull of actors from ADV and 4kids/TAJ for this one. This could be very interesting indeed. I thought it might have been John Burgmier but sure enough it was Michael Sinterklass (sp?) best known as Leonardo and Horo Horo/Trey Racer. If he's on Conan then it's likely we'lll be hearing some other well known NY VA's like Rachel Lillis, Dan Green, Ted Lewis, Veronica Taylor, and Eric Stewart... hey maybe we'll hear Mike!

Tommy was Chris Sabat obvoiusly... but believe it or not George is voiced by Daemon Clark. I guess he wanted to try the goofy young character voice bit.

I can't get enough of this show. Must... have... more...

[Teek]

Does anyone know where this is being dubbed? In Dallas I guess? I noticed Laura Bailey was the VA for the Rachel's friend, I am somewhat surprised she is still doing this amount of voice work for Funimation even though she had moved to LA.

This was another good episode, also glad the clue didn't give away the suspect. I know it is pretty much just the way a serial show works, but man I wouldn't want to be a friend of Rachel or Conan's, everywhere they go something bad ends up happening. ;)

[tucsoncoyote]

After seeing tonight's Episode of Case Closed, I have to say that Conan is definitely cool. at least he's still using his brain, and it's funny that this case really was harder then Last Night's Case of Time Bomb Express. This one had me floored (and I was Like Conan..... Stumped) until Conan just literally figured it out.. (with Kenan's Mom doing the dishes!)

(Is this lady Evil or what? Killing her adopted son just to get to his Money! :eek: )(How Sad but true..) but hey tonight's episodes was a real twist you around and hope you could figure it out before Conan did.. and this one in terms of a Murder Mystery was a bit better then Time Bomb Express. Now i know why this show works...

1. Good Story plot.
2. Great Character Development (Conan Rocks!)
3. Interactions between Conan and others (Most Notably Rachael)
4. The Laugh Factor (Oh yeah it can be funny with Tommy (the Kurabara Wannabe!!)

but all in all this one isn't as exciting as Time Bomb Express, but for a Murder Mystery it'd make any Ellery Queen mystery pale by comparison!

Final Verdict on this ep.. B+.. Tommy was however a good ruse and fun to watch as he tries to Woo Rachael..(and a laugh a Minute joke as he eats Cake!.(is that CAKE? YUMMY!)):D

:coyote:

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM2.jpg


Conan gets a little TOO CLOSE to this case for his own good :D

Great episode. I was able to remove two suspects before Conan announced his findings. The girl friend didn't seem the jealous type and putting the poison in the chocolate bar would make the case too easy. That other guy who gave Kenan the cigarette did have a motive and I thought it was him, but again that would be too easy. What I SHOULD have notice to eliminate him as a suspect was what Conan pointed out though. That Kenan was using filterless cigarettes and that the cigarette that guy gave to Kenan had its filter removed. Dang, I should have noticed that.

The mother being the killer took me by surprise. The poision was in the coffee while the antidote was in the cake?! I was wondering why she quickly gave her son some cake. Very Nice.

Quote time:


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I can't believe Conan pulled off the whole "stun the detective" stunt again. I hope they don't use that too much, though. Otherwise he won't have to come up with so many creative ways to help the real detectives solve the crime. But it will be fun, once in a while, if we see the detective (I forgot his name) and a chair and we know what Conan's about to do.
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Yeah I hope they don't do that too often with Richard Moore. It is MUCH more fun watching Conan figure ways out to alert the authorities about the findings than knocking out Richard. Although he does deserve it since he keeps bopping Conan on the head whenever he speaks up.

This was a good epsoide. Even though I knew the hint I couldn't figure it out. These cases are hard.Hey, you are not the only one struggling to keep up :sweat:

I think it was Marlporo.Yup, Marlporo! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/cig.jpg)

Favorite stuff from this episode. The kissing scene, that as a hoot. Also watching Conan use his new watch (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/watch.jpg) on poor Richard.

BTW, King of PaQ that was a nice episode summary/review you posted :)

Later.

[Tapout]

Just thought of something. Does the fat guy (sorry, I'm awful with names) get a free pass? He may not have been the one who actually comitted the murder, but he doesn't get to skip home happily like nothing happened does he?

[EightOh]

Just thought of something. Does the fat guy (sorry, I'm awful with names) get a free pass? He may not have been the one who actually comitted the murder, but he doesn't get to skip home happily like nothing happened does he?I was thinking the same thing, actually.

Speaking of which, Tommy seemed awfully chipper at the end of the episode, considering one of his friends was just murdered.

[Sketch]

You're right! It's so obvious now... he was in on it the whole time.

[Mystic Shadow]

Well, I liked it. Since you guys are talking about VAs; I wasn't as surprised to see Kazuuma's VA as I was to see Chuck Huber. (Hiei/ Android 17) At least I think it was him. He was still playing the silent killer. Trying to kill his own friend with a cigarette, that's so Hiei.

The whole Coffe poison, Cake atidote was pretty ingenious. I think I got it because I watch too much CSI. God, I hate that show but I keep watching it...

Great one (especially because of the lack of junior detctive leauge.) A

[Conan-san]

Hehe, found this a while back, and it's true!

http://www.tsunamichannel.com/index.php?date=2002-05-22

[Eddy]

I'm loving this show... it's addictive. That's for sure.

[bigddan11]

I'll agree that Tommy sounded like Chris Sabat, but guess what? Chris Sabat has yet to appear in any episode credits, so unless he and Dameon Clarke are the same person as different names (which really doesn't make sense since they have both of them credited in some other series), then he actually didn't voice Tommy.

Last nights guest credits were: Michael Sinternikalaas, Travis Willingham, Chuck Huber, Sophie McNuff, and Laura Bailey. As for FUNi using 4Kids VA's, I believe that started when they entered into the contract where FUNi releases 4Kids products. They also may use some Nelvana VA's later on, because they will be releasing Nelvana DVD's starting with Beyblade GRevolution next month, and Tenchi Muyo! GXP is distributed by FUNi, but they actually went to a different studio to do the dub. None of the FUNi regular's are on GXP! They started hiring all these other companies and their VA's so they could get some variety of VA's into their series.

Now to the episodes:
I'm shocked that Adult Swim showed the train bomb episode. Astroboy has an episode that deals with a runaway train that was banned from Kids WB and probably Toonami due to the events in Spain. Anything that gets related to terrorism is often banned from American TV, but without the episode some parts of the series wouldn't make sense later on. Thankfully Williams Street doesn't have any reservations and chooses to show an episode over dubbing down an episode or removing it completly like Disney does. As for the next case hint, I never really paid attention to them until everyone started complaining about how the cell phone was a dead give away, but most of the other hints don't play a major role until everything is added up. I thought the man that kept chasing Conan away was the culprit because I didn't pay much attention to the hints, and it made it alot more interesting, because buttons are on (like they said in the episode) on most everything.

The Valentine's Day episode was very interesting for me. It showed just how much people want to be around Rachel, and it's making Jimmy very upset. That love triangle between Jimmy as Conan and Rachel is interesting because Rachel thinks he's just a little kid, but we know that Jimmy wants to reveal his true feelings for her, except she won't believe him since he looks like a little kid. I thought that choclate was going to be the murder weapon until they revealed that the poison was in the coffee and the antidote in the cake. I became suspicious when the little kid was scolded for eating chocolate and not cake, but I didn't realize the mom was the murderer until the little kid complained about his teeth hurting. One thing I'll say though is it is a good thing they caught her, because her own son would have been her next victium most likely.

[SirLemming]

Just thought of something. Does the fat guy (sorry, I'm awful with names) get a free pass? He may not have been the one who actually comitted the murder, but he doesn't get to skip home happily like nothing happened does he?I'm guessing he was charged with attempted murder. They just didn't have time to show it.

[herbkir]

The interesting part of this episode was how Conan and Rachel reacted to Tommy hitting on her. And "The Kiss" was hilarious. About half the episode was about characterization rather than the mystery and that was good. As to the mystery itself, the geek with the poisoned cigarette was a great red herring. Two murder plots against the same victim. Cool.

The "Knock out Richard" bit rang really false this time because he was in bright light and someone should have noticed him not moving. I hope Conan comes up with more convincing ways to get his solutions across. The Time Bomb Express did that part much better.

Another reason why this show couldn't run anywhere on Cartoon Network but Adult Swim: The cigarette smoking. There's be no way to edit out the smoking in this episode and still have it hold together. (^_*)

[lostrune]

Not much to say today, save what everyone is already talking about the case.

1. Heh, the obligatory Valentine's Day ep. Where's my giri-choco?!?! :mad: :D

2. I think Serena is Laura Bailey, if so, making it the 2nd time they've used her already as the supporting actress.

3. OK, the edits, er, changes:

a. The generic Conan's opening monologue again. Originally, he talks a bit about the upcoming episode, in this case, Valentine's Day chocolate. I guess this is something to be expected from now on.

b. Obviously, the names were changed to be more American, which then actually confused me since I was remembering the original names. :sweat:

c. Instead of commenting on the food, Conan was actually making fun of Serena's "determination" to give Keenan her chocolate. :D

d. About Keenan's estate: originally it was his life insurance. The "mother" wanted to kill him, so she could collect the insurance money to help her family.

e. BTW, here's a big non-subtitle: in the end when Conan picked up Rachel's chocolate gift, the gift card was addressed (in Japanese) to Shin'ichi (Jimmy). So Conan actually knew then who she was planning to give it to. :anime:

[Sampo]

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d. About Keenan's estate: originally it was his life insurance. The "mother" wanted to kill him, so she could collect the insurance money to help her family.

e. BTW, here's a big non-subtitle: in the end when Conan picked up Rachel's chocolate gift, the gift card was addressed (in Japanese) to Shin'ichi (Jimmy). So Conan actually knew then who she was planning to give it to. :anime:Hmm, it sounds a bit better if they went with the original and used life insurance instead estate. I wonder why they changed it.

I was wondering what that Japanese text was all about. Thanks for clearing that up. :)

[Teek]

It may be because of how insurance companies don't like to pay out if the person did not die due to natural causes or an accident. But that's the only thing I can guess.

[PickHut]

Pretty good episode, interesting way to kill someone :sweat: . I almost groaned when Conan did the "knock out Richard and do his voice" routine again, I just hope he doesn't do this again in the next 2 to 3 episodes. Funny episode too, with the Tommy trying to get with Rachel and Conan interfering.

I give Tragic Valentine an A-.

[Sanwich]

Not much to say today, save what everyone is already talking about the case.

*snip*

e. BTW, here's a big non-subtitle: in the end when Conan picked up Rachel's chocolate gift, the gift card was addressed (in Japanese) to Shin'ichi (Jimmy). So Conan actually knew then who she was planning to give it to. :anime:
Thank you, thank you - I knew you wouldn't let us down. I've been wondering what that said since last night, and though I assumed it was probably for Jimmy, it's always nice to know for sure. :)

I really enjoyed this episode, mainly because of the large amount of pre-murder conversation. For once, I actually figured out most of the truth before Conan wrapped up the case - as many folks mentioned, the kid not being able to eat chocolate and then getting cake was a big hint, along with the fact that the victim didn't eat any cake... That was the point at which I knew he was a goner. ;) I wasn't sure where the poison was, though - I wouldn't have guessed the coffee, until the mother was shown washing those cups.

Also, the hint for this episode was really more of a red herring - I mean, there was poisoned chocolate, but it wasn't really involved in the actual murder at all. Speaking of hints, keep an eye out for 'bar codes' tonight. ;>

[Spastic Minnow]

Okay, Kenan was "Team Captain." What sort of team would those guys all be a part of?

[livingfruitvirus]

Rugby?

[Duke]

Also, the hint for this episode was really more of a red herring - I mean, there was poisoned chocolate, but it wasn't really involved in the actual murder at all.
Wrong chocolate. The first tip many people had was that the kid couldn't eat the chocolate bar yet could eat the cake.

[Spidey2099]

Also, the hint for this episode was really more of a red herring - I mean, there was poisoned chocolate, but it wasn't really involved in the actual murder at all. Speaking of hints, keep an eye out for 'bar codes' tonight. ;>I think I'll skip the hints at the end of the show from now on (which will take alot of will power). It's much more fun trying to solve the mysteries from scratch.

[MrBananagrabber]

I liked this episode a lot. Hmm, I'm beginning to a see a trend. Six for six sounds like pretty good odds, I'll be grabbing the DVDs for this one. They manage to have quite a bit happen in half an hour, and the show doesn't feel rushed at all.

I'm assuming the chocolate said "Shinichi" on it, right? I wish they'd subtitled that ^^; It was easy to grasp the sitaution without it, but still.

Okay, Kenan was "Team Captain." What sort of team would those guys all be a part of?
Maybe that's how they chose to translate the word "sempai"? That's all I can think of, the lined seemed really out of place.

[Lord Trunks]

After what I have seen so far I am surprised I am enjoying Case Closed more than I thought I would

[Sketch]

I guess Sabat doesn't need to be mentioned because 1) he's easily recognized and 2) he's one the ADR directors.

[sedorna]

It was somewhat risky putting the antidote in the cake. After all, one of the guests could easily have been on a diet or diabetic or something like that.

[Duke]

It was somewhat risky putting the antidote in the cake. After all, one of the guests could easily have been on a diet or diabetic or something like that.
The only ones that would affect would be Racheal, Serena, and Conan. The others, since they are all in a group, have probably been at that house before, so the mother knew they loved cake. Conan, being a little kid, could be assumed to eat cake, and Rachel and Serena seemed too sweet/hyper to not like cake.

[Scott Duvall]

I am relly not likeing this show. The whole poison in the coffe and antidote in cake was stupid way of killing someone, that mom must be a VERY stupid killer to try something that dumb. Also I know it was her right away, it was SO obvious.

[SirLemming]

Another reason why this show couldn't run anywhere on Cartoon Network but Adult Swim: The cigarette smoking. There's be no way to edit out the smoking in this episode and still have it hold together. (^_*)Oh, right. Even moreso than the train episode.
Thank you, Adult Swim!

By the way, for all those who will inevitably say "well, they should just put it on an in-between slot in prime time":
1 - Good idea, but it doesn't seem like it will happen any time soon.
2 - You'd be surprised. Anti-smoking activists are lobbying to have R ratings given to any movie that contains smoking. It's probably not going to fly (I really REALLY hope not), but it just goes to show how seriously some people take this stuff. It's very possible that even an Adult Swim show could receive complaints for showing cigarettes, so a prime time slot might not be able to get away with it. Certainly there's no way any legislation will be able to work retroactively, but "new" shows could conceivably be controlled by it.
This also goes to show that, yes, they do need to edit cigarettes on Toonami, as dumb as it gets sometimes.

[bigddan11]

Any voice actor who does thing's for FUNimation is recognized in the credits. John Burgmeier has been mentioned multiple times in the first couple of episodes. So has Sean Schemmel and a few of the others. The only reason they don't list them down is if they actually aren't voicing characters in the series yet, and Chris Sabat does do a good job changing his voices at times. I'll use Piccolo and Vegeta as an example, because if you're just watching DBZ and don't know they are the same VA, then you have no idea he voices both of them. I think that they could possibly be mixing Dameon Clarke and Chris Sabat's voices together which explains the big similarities and slight differences when you listen to this series.

[SirLemming]

Do they have specific characters listed, or just voice actors? Because they might just be using the same credits for every episode, as Adult Swim is known to do. And I don't think any of the Kuwabara-esque characters were in the first episode.

[Duke]

Do they have specific characters listed, or just voice actors? Because they might just be using the same credits for every episode, as Adult Swim is known to do.
The credits don't list who did who, but they do change episode-by-episode.

[SamCurt]

Okay, Kenan was "Team Captain." What sort of team would those guys all be a part of? Tennis team in an university, as I can remember.

Speaking terrorism and DC-CC: It could have been worse. In Movie #5 in April/May 2001, we have a double tower near Tokyo bombed. Some Chinese said that it's the "Next Conan's hint to 9/11.":eek: Not very far from WTC--November 2001-- Aoyama go on to bomb the Tohto Tower (as in Ep 5)-- fortunately, the bomb was dismantled thanks to Conan. Talk about sensitivitity...

[Anime Freak]

Wow, I really liked Tonights's eppy, especially because of how Conan solved most of the case and wasn't ignored like usual. I also loved the whole Rachel almost catching Conan bit! That was great! Somehow I knew that Dr.Agasa would do that though. Although, after this how can Rachel possibly think that Conan is Jimmy,eh? Still a good eppy, but these soccer shots saving the day all the time are kinda unnecessary. :rolleyes:

[SirLemming]

Man, that was intense! I felt so scared when the guy called and they said his son was already picked up from school.
Again: too intense for children, and the first half was just too "boring" for children.

Then of course there's Rachel. I can't believe Jimmy managed to find a plausible way to get out of that, but he did. Still, I have my doubts that his identity will remain a secret for over 300 episodes. And whoever knows, DON'T say it.
I'm glad they found a way for Rachel to be smart and yet still not be able to know his secret identity. She's piecing things together just fine, but the phone call really was quite ingenious on Jimmy's part, and hard to explain on her part.
However, one important development could remain: Rachel realizes that "Conan" is really the one solving these cases, so maybe she'll help him out a little now.


Keeps getting better and better? You betcha.

[Juu-kuchi]

Well, it was an interesting episode of Case Closed tonight. But poor poor Rachel/Ran, she'll never know but always be suspicious of Conan... for the next 300 episodes. Anyway, this is a good series, not one I would catch every night, but always would watch once in a while.

Anyway, it's gonna be an interesting episode tomorrow. That's quite graphic a death though. I was like O_O at the preview.

[Duke]

To people who wanted more blood, how's that next episode preview for ya?

I gotta say, the Barcode hint was worthless today. I mean, you can't notice the non-barcodes since it's animated. The casual viewer will simply say the animators didn't bother to draw them (not the first time).

As for the actual episode, it was really good, and the final confrontation was lots more suspenseful than Monday's. I knew what Conan was going to do to get Rachel off his back once he left.

I don't really see the point in keeping it a secret from Rachel. It's not like she's going to go blab about Jimmy being alive. She would help more than hinder, as she does have a keen mind as well.

[SirLemming]

Still a good eppy, but these soccer shots saving the day all the time are kinda unnecessary. :rolleyes:Well, it did contribute to the whole plot of Conan acting like Jimmy.
Speaking of which, he needs to watch out. The handshake thing was a dead giveaway. I guess it's hard to resist showing off sometimes...

I gotta say, the Barcode hint was worthless today. I mean, you can't notice the non-barcodes since it's animated. The casual viewer will simply say the animators didn't bother to draw them (not the first time).True. I never fully understood the non-barcode's significance anyway.


I don't really see the point in keeping it a secret from Rachel. It's not like she's going to go blab about Jimmy being alive. She would help more than hinder, as she does have a keen mind as well.I guess he just doesn't want her to have the knowledge, since it could put her in danger. Like with Peter Parker and Mary Jane (Spider-Man).
However, he may soon discover that the benefits would outweigh that disadvantage.

[Spidey2099]

I didn't get to catch the first episode, so I really didn't know why Jimmy refused to tell his girlfriend that he's Conan. It's a good thing he thought of something to throw her off the trail again, because sooner or later, she was going to tell someone about her suspicions about him.

Dang, I saw the hint again. Oh well.

[Duke]

I didn't get to catch the first episode, so I really didn't know why Jimmy refused to tell his girlfriend that he's Conan. It's a good thing he thought of something to throw her off the trail again, because sooner or later, she was going to tell someone about her suspicions about him.
He thinks that if anybody outside of he & Agasa knows, then the men in black might find out and try to kill Rachel, as well as him.

True. I never fully understood the non-barcode's significance anyway.
Here's a better question: Were the barcodes scraped off or just completely absent? Since the toys are pretty much hand-me-downs, where exactly are the barcodes? Are the boxes homemade?

[randi]

It was a pretty good epsoide. The hint was worthless. A better one could of been like dad or something but that would be too good a hint. I'm not sure how a ball point pen is a good hint but who knows.

[Duke]

It was a pretty good epsoide. The hint was worthless. A better one could of been like dad or something but that would be too good a hint. I'm not sure how a ball point pen is a good hint but who knows.
The better clue would have been "video game."

[Jowy Blight]

This was the best episode so far. I found myself more interested in the Rachel/Conan subplot then the actual case, not to say that the case itself was bad or anything since it drew me in completely. God, I want more! :)

It looks like the next episode is going to be pretty good from what the preview looks like.

[PaQ]

So we go from subtle terror and explosions on the railway to a nice romantic episode... or is it?!! It's Valentine's day.. and what will happen since Jimmy is not around, well Conan was determined to find out what Rachel was up to.

We get the introduction to Rachel's friend, Serena, she seems to have a very authoritarian personality and basically tells this huge guy (who sounds awfully similar to Kuwabara) that Rachel will go with him to the Valentine's party. Rachel tells Serena why she did that, and when Serena tells her that this means she does have feelings for Jimmy, Rachel responds by calling Jimmy a mystery freak.. Not very amusing for Conan.. who was listening just a short while away.

So Rachel reluctantly goes to the party, trying to disprove any showing of feelings for Jimmy. While she was making chocolate, Conan tried to see if the chocolate was for Jimmy.. unfortunately Rachel didn't let on and made a crack on Jimmy, which even Conan admitted was deservedly so. So we see them at the party, Conan having snuck a ride in the trunk of the car, and it wasn't much of a party. Actually more of a get together of members of the Rugby team with friends and girls at the house of the Team Captain, Keenan.

Keenan comes off as a real jerk, meanwhile his mom scolds her young son for having chocolate complaining about cavities and such.. yet gives the kid cake later on during the party. Suddenly we hear a scream and Keenan had collapsed and died. Detective Moore showed up, so this meant Conan would have an easy way to communicate the answer to the who did it mystery. After the usual wrong accusations by Moore, Conan knocks him out, with the stun watch he obtained from Dr. Agasa and explained the complex tale. It comes out it was the mom who was the killer. I had predicted this, but not in the way it came out. It comes out the mom had put poison in the coffee, and knowing that Keenan wouldn't eat cake, she put the antidote in the cake so that no one else would be affected. Conan had noticed her washing the cups just moments after realizing her son was dead, and he found that awfully suspicious. After outing the mom and the coverup she tried to make, she admitted to it, saying she was afte his estate because she needed the money for her family.. Poor Guy.. but he sure was a jerk.. but no one deserves to get killed for just being rude. Although I was awfully reluctant not to just say he deserved it, my friend Shinten knows what i'm talking about, since we were watching it together.

And a nice touching moment at the end, as Rachel had noticed earlier in the party how Conan was protecting Rachel from the big oaf (not to mention the big oaf gave Conan a Man-kiss by accident), and Rachel ends up sharing the chocolate with Conan, I thought it was a nice touch that it was addressed to Jimmy, too bad that didn't come through in the dub version. Nice moment.

Next episode's clue: Bar Code

I give "Tragic Valentine" An A-.


I hope tonight's episode was good, I'll have to catch the encore. :p

[Spidey2099]

It was a pretty good epsoide. The hint was worthless.That's the problem with the hints--they can be pretty lacking, or just downright spoiler material. That's why I try to change the channel before the hint appears, but, um...curiosity prevails. :sad:

[Sanwich]

Well - another suspenseful episode, that's for sure. Despite the phone call however, I'm thinking Jimmy better put some more effort into his alter-ego if he really wants to convince Rachel he's just a kid. c_c;

The bar-code thing was, as mentioned, almost entirely useless. I mean, it was helpful to know the toys weren't new, but most bar-codes are printed directly onto packaging, so it was weird to use that as a clue. The way he discovered that kid's name on the video game (and pretty much by accident, no less) was really neat, though.

And finally, tomorrow's hint (which was already mentioned, but what the hey):

Ballpoint Pen

Put in a box to accomodate those folks who want to go without. o_-

[TnAdct1]

My theory on the bar code clue: Considering how the toys that the doctor received were "hand-me-downs" from a kid who died in 1993 (remember, this episode first aired in 1996), it's possible that the boxes that the toys came in were from a period before bar codes became a regular part of all mechandise.

As for the case: I had a feeling that the mystery guy's plan had something to do with the doctor's son, although I thought that the the doctor's son was really the son of the guy whose been sending all those gifts and the money to the doctor (although I still don't get the $250,000 part).

Tomorrow: one reason why Detective Boy Conan is on Adult Swim instead of Toonami. :anime:

[randi]

The $250,000 part was the boys insurance money

[Mr. Pedro]

Scattered thoughts on tonight's Case Closed.

-I'll agree that Barcode hint=Worthless.

-Nice to see Conan not get ignored or dimissed by the grown-ups. In fact, Richard and Conan actually seemed to be working more like a team on this case than in previous episodes.

-I sorta thought the toys and money came from a stalker or something. I was somewhat right, but I didn't figure the dictor's son into the equation right away.

-Damn, Rachel was so close to the truth too. I don't see how they can drag this out for 300 episodes. Oh well.

-I'll admit to being a bit spooked when the dead kid's name showed up on the "Gameman" (whoever came up with that name deserves a flogging if you ask me).

-Watching the dead boy's dad getting ready to slice up the doctor's kid nearly had me freaking out completely.

-Super-Soccer kick of Prevailing truth (hey, I had to call it something) saves the day again.

-The scene with the bowtie device over the phone was a bit of a cop-out, but it still worked nicely.

Grade:A

[randi]

-I'll admit to being a bit spooked when the dead kid's name showed up on the "Gameman" (whoever came up with that name deserves a flogging if you ask me).
There is tons of game blah things on tv. Game buddy,Game dude,you name it.

[Anime Freak]

Just wondering, but wouldn't it have been easier to use the stun gun???I guess maybe he couldn't shoot it that far maybe. :rolleyes:

[James Bester]

geez! how many episodes are in this series?

[Master Moron]

Well, Tuesdays episode was actually the first episode that I didn't like. I mean, I actually considered the cake being the antidote but I dismissed it as being idiotic. I mean, you can't just put an antidote in cake and poison in all the other food. I mean, what if you ate more of all the other food and only took a nibble of the cake? It just doesn't make any sense and it wouldn't work in real life.

Conan kind of came off as kind of a stalker in this episode. I mean, following Rachel around, listening to her conversations, threatening other guys, jeezus, Conan was creepy on this episode.

I also kind of felt bad for Tommy. I mean, he must work out constantly to impress girls, yet he's still incredibly nervous around girls, then he finally works up the courage to hit on Rachel and she screams at him. He's probably not gonna hit on another girl for a year.

I also, like most people, hated the reuse of the Conan knocking out the detective plot device.

I really didn't care for this episode. I usually don't rate things, but I'll give this episode a D cause I really didn't care for it.

Wednesday's episode was a lot better, except for the barcode hint which I forgot anyway. I really liked the way the detective was actually listening to Conan rather than hitting him. Also, learned things too. Now I know that anybody who has cuts on their pointer fingers are surgeons, actually, I think I heard that somewhere before but I forget where. Wouldn't it be awesome to meet someone for the first time and tell them what they do for a living?

I got really pumped up at the end when that music started playing and Conan kicked that soccer ball. I'm really liking the music in this show.

I also got really choked up listening to that guy with the knife, I really felt bad for him.

I'd give this episode an A except it loses a full letter grade for that incredibly cliched, predictable last two minutes. I was thinking to myself throughout the episode, you'd better not do something lame like have Conan use that voice thing again. When Conan said he had to run home I knew he was planning something. When Rachel had him cornered I thought, yes, he finally has to reveal his secret. Then the phone rang and I was incredibly pissed off, I almost considered ceasing to watch this show. That ending pissed me off that much. The next episode preview almost made up for that piece of crap ending though, almost.

[SirLemming]

I've been thinking, there are many types of mystery stories in this show. It's cool. Last night (the Valentine episode), for example, all the clues were laid out in the first half of the episode, and the second half put them together. In tonight's episode, however, Jimmy found clues as he went along, and there was really no way to solve the case prematurely. It's good that they mix things up a little and don't use the same formula for every episode.

I'd give this episode an A except it loses a full letter grade for that incredibly cliched, predictable last two minutes. I was thinking to myself throughout the episode, you'd better not do something lame like have Conan use that voice thing again. When Conan said he had to run home I knew he was planning something. When Rachel had him cornered I thought, yes, he finally has to reveal his secret. Then the phone rang and I was incredibly pissed off, I almost considered ceasing to watch this show. That ending pissed me off that much. The next episode preview almost made up for that piece of crap ending though, almost.It's too early in the series for them to let Rachel find out.
Does it really piss you off that much? This is what TV shows do. They build up suspense and make you think that the running plot is about to come to an end, but then cut it off at the last second to keep the status quo going a little longer, thus allowing for more episodes. I don't see what the big deal is. It's frustrating, yes, but they still haven't done everything they can with this secret identity idea, and that's what people who make (good) TV shows do. We need reasons to keep coming back for more, after all, and this tension is one of those reasons.

[shogunthethird]

wow, that was one hell of a creepy episode...I wonder if I can get shoes like those for my Sanji costume, and as for the clue, "video game" would've been much better

[Rabi~en~Rose]

another fine episode even if it wasn't to much of a mystery this time :) its good to mix things up like that though! really liking Conans power shoes do they also make him faster to? and yay for the junior detective league getting a little on screen time!

When Rachel had him cornered I thought, yes, he finally has to reveal his secret.

finally? good one :) and if that wasn't a joke what were you thinking? this was episode 7 of a 350+ ep series a thing like that wouldn't come so soon and needs to be built up longer anyway http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Duke]

geez! how many episodes are in this series?According to another poster (I forget if it's in this thread or the other one), we're up to 362 in Japan, with Movie #7. To put it in perspective, it's a little more than DBZ + GT put together.

[SamCurt]

According to another poster (I forget if it's in this thread or the other one), we're up to 362 in Japan, with Movie #7. No, Movie #8. And that they say they're doing a #9.

[Perfect Cell]

Bah I wanted Rachel to find out too, even though i knew theres what 362 frigging episodes! :mad: Fun episode overall though... Im definetly starting to get hooked on Detective Conan

[Zyzzybalubah]

Another good Detective Conan here. The only thing I can complain about is the one boy's father letting that one man get away with attempting to murder his son. This kind of stuff may be acceptable in pro wrestling (like when Hogan tried to kill the Rock with a truck and they became buddy-buddy less than a month later), but this is Detective Conan and despite having some humor and unrealistic situations, this shouldn't have been one of them. I won't let it get to me though. Rachel suspecting Conan is Jimmy, nice idea! The end was a little predictable, but I did think for a second that Conan would have the professor play his father or even mother rather than Jimmy, but maybe I'm just not thinking logical. LOL. Wow, tomorow's looks quite graphic. I guess I should eat my baseball cap for saying it could be toned down for Toonami. Can't wait.

[Teek]

Another good episode, I agree that the bar code probably delt with the fact in 1993 the bar codes weren't a big thing then. Did it appear to anyone else that the English text on the letter and game seemed inserted? Or maybe that was in the original, but it sure looked like that had been edited.

And boyo, that next episode preview was NASTY. I was really surprised at the amount of blood that was splattered all over the corpse and wall. Can't wait until tomorrows episode. *g*

[UberMonkey]

I haven't posted my thought on this show at all.. mostly because it's tough to catch when dealing with finals stuff. However, I really enjoy this show. It's probably the best thing worth watching on Adult Swim right now. Of course, being the only new stuff on weekdays helps it... but I can see why this show would be so popular in Japan. You can't help but love the mystery stuff, and the way the show can appeal to all ages is a feat in itself.

So this is the first time Conan's secret has been almost revealed to Rachael, but of course it won't be the last. The tension from that scenario, plus the mysterious clues piling up all leading to the final confrontation with the desperate father - all great stuff. A solid episode all around.

And, hey, how about that preview, eh? Pretty gruesome.

[fearlessleader7]

I really liked this episode. I'll give it an A+

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM3.jpg


Awww Snap! Rachel Knows Conan's Little Secret!

I really enjoyed this episode. I agree that the barcode was not very useful hint. The only thing I got out of that barcode thing was that those gifts were not bought recently so that either A) Belonged to someone's old collection B) Old used toys. I thought there was someone who wanted to kidnap the Doctor's kid like a stalker... But I forgot about the frigging money. I should have seen how they added up before Conan and crew reached the hospital. A Doctor receives a large sum of money with note + lots of used/old toys = upset parent(s) who lost a child under the doc's care.

As for how it ended up. Man I was freaked out when that guy pulled out that knife. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/knife.jpg) That was a neat how Conan knocked out it out of his hand. :sweat:

I was grinning while watching Rachel do a little detective work on her own to figure out Conan is Jimmy. Dang, but he was luckily saved by the Proffessor and that bow tie.

Next episode looks like a something. Geez gruesome scene!

Hey Lost Rune (Lots o Rum :D ), could you please tell me what this pic is all about. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/blush.jpg) It was when Rachel became all embarrassed. Thanks in advance.

Fun stuff during this episode. That looks like Shobu's mug on the box cover (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/shobu.jpg) of the game Conan was playing. Rachel screaming that she doesn't like playing games! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/rachel%20yelling.jpg)

Another good episode, I agree that the bar code probably delt with the fact in 1993 the bar codes weren't a big thing then. Did it appear to anyone else that the English text on the letter and game seemed inserted? Or maybe that was in the original, but it sure looked like that had been edited.
...
Yup that text did look inserted in that letter. Although that is a nice editing job on that Game Man. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/gameman.jpg)

Looking forward to tomorrow's episode.

[Meson]

please tell me what this pic is all about. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/blush.jpg) It was when Rachel became all embarrassed. Thanks in advance.

She was remembering back to Episode 2 when she told Conan/Jimmy her "life story".

Good episoe all around.

[Sampo]

She was remembering back to Episode 2 when she told Conan/Jimmy her "life story".

Good episoe all around.D'oh sorry, I meant what was all of those Japanese characters that were flying past her in the background.

[SamCurt]

Hey Lost Rune (Lots o Rum :D ), could you please tell me what this pic is all about. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/blush.jpg) It was when Rachel became all embarrassed. Thanks in advance.
Conan asked if Rachel like the game too. Rachel, all furious, just took the verb "like" and took it as "You like me." The little Japanese on the background meant, "like."


Fun stuff during this episode. That looks like Shobu's mug on the box cover (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/shobu.jpg) of the game Conan was playing.
Actually an reference of Yaiba, the mangaka Gosho AOYAMA's work before DC-CC, which spanned to a length of 24 volumes of manga and a successful anime series (albeit not as long as DC-CC of course). The person on the cover was Yaiba KUROGANE, kid samurai who tried to save the world.

[bigddan11]

Overall I thought it was another episode that was great for Adult Swim, and the little boy just about to be killed was a bit to much for Toonami with an actual murder weapon. Maybe if the man had energy blasts coming out of his hand they would allow it, but not an actual weapon. It's a sham Rachel was fooled by Dr. Agasa, but when did Conan get the chance to go tell Dr. Agasa what had happened? If she was that suspicious I get the feeling she wouldn't have let him out of her site.

[Sketch]

Fantastic episode!

And dang man... if the next episode doesn't prove why this show is best left on Adult Swim then I don't know what would.

[Conan-san]

Fun stuff during this episode. That looks like Shobu's mug on the box cover (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/shobu.jpg) of the game Conan was playing. Rachel screaming that she doesn't like playing games! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/rachel%20yelling.jpg)
Looking forward to tomorrow's episode.
You woulnd't happen to have an mp3 clip of that little scene perchance?

[Mystic Shadow]

Okay, I liked it... so what if you've heard that before. Best line:

"Then, you can meet my son, Tommy." As light gleams off knife.

As for next episode, it was pleasing to see the bloodyed coarpse, but there didn't seem to be enough of it... oh well. Ballpoint pen... I wonder how'll they'll use that...

[The Collector]

Great episode. I thought it was hilarious when Rachel realized she had actually confessed her feelings for Jimmy to Jimmy by accident. I don't think she should disregard everything she saw with her own eyes because of what she heard on the phone, but it would cause her to be very confused. She'd probably prefer to believe she was mistaken, though, if only so she wouldn't feel embarrassed about what she told Conan. It was also nice to see Mr. Moore actually listening to Conan instead of ignoring him or shooing him away like usual. I wonder if he'll continue to pay attention to the "little kid" or if this was just a one time thing.

[Killtacular]

According to another poster (I forget if it's in this thread or the other one), we're up to 362 in Japan, with Movie #7. To put it in perspective, it's a little more than DBZ + GT put together.
Is he not counting clip show episodes or something? Because they're really up to like 385.

[Master Moron]

It's too early in the series for them to let Rachel find out.
Does it really piss you off that much? This is what TV shows do. They build up suspense and make you think that the running plot is about to come to an end, but then cut it off at the last second to keep the status quo going a little longer, thus allowing for more episodes. I don't see what the big deal is. It's frustrating, yes, but they still haven't done everything they can with this secret identity idea, and that's what people who make (good) TV shows do. We need reasons to keep coming back for more, after all, and this tension is one of those reasons.

But, the thing is, I knew the last scene was coming a mile away. Throughout the entire episode I was thinking to myself "You'd better not do something lame with the voice modifier to trick Rachel." When Conan said he had to do something, you knew what he was going to do. When you heard the phone ring, you knew what it was. It was predictable and it was the same old thing you see on just about every show that has a secret identity. And the thing is, I'm 90% sure that Rachel will just forget about all the insurmountable evidence that Conan is Jimmy. What Rachel should have done is asked the person on the phone a question that only Jimmy would know. Like say "Hey, remember that time when we went to Europe(assuming she's never been to Europe)?" Then when the professor says "Yes." then say "Ha, we've never been to Europe! you're not Jimmy at all!" A voice on the phone really doesn't prove anything, especially when you have a great deal of evidence that suggests that Conan really is Jimmy.

[Killtacular]

But, the thing is, I knew the last scene was coming a mile away. Throughout the entire episode I was thinking to myself "You'd better not do something lame with the voice modifier to trick Rachel." When Conan said he had to do something, you knew what he was going to do. When you heard the phone ring, you knew what it was. It was predictable and it was the same old thing you see on just about every show that has a secret identity. And the thing is, I'm 90% sure that Rachel will just forget about all the insurmountable evidence that Conan is Jimmy. What Rachel should have done is asked the person on the phone a question that only Jimmy would know. Like say "Hey, remember that time when we went to Europe(assuming she's never been to Europe)?" Then when the professor says "Yes." then say "Ha, we've never been to Europe! you're not Jimmy at all!" A voice on the phone really doesn't prove anything, especially when you have a great deal of evidence that suggests that Conan really is Jimmy.
Yes, and then the series would end after six episodes. Conan would be found out, everyone would be killed by the organization, THE END!!! Good idea.

[Sketch]

So I guess Conan can out right solve the crimes now and people will most likely listen to him as long as his with Richard Moore or Rachel.

[randi]

I was thinking. How could a show go on for that long just with some cases and a little knocking out Richard and pretending to be him. How could a show be that long and still have people watching it.

[Duke]

Yes, and then the series would end after six episodes. Conan would be found out, everyone would be killed by the organization, THE END!!! Good idea.
I still don't get how keeping Rachel in the dark would help things. She's pretty smart, so she would keep Conan's secret, and she could help hide Conan's identity a lot better than Conan himself.

[Chuquita]

Does anyone know which episode number is the one where they first find out that giving Jimmy alcohol temporarily turns him back into a teenager?

[lostrune]

1. Heh, believe it or not, the "generic Conan opening monologue" was also the generic one in the original. :)

2. Some inconsequential changes: the usual Englishized names, the boy's Aug b-day was originally Dec, appendicitis, and Rachel's videogame reaction (elaborated below).

3. Here's one part where there's some lost in translation:
Originally, little Conan calls her "big-sister" Rachel (as she asked him to do). When Rachel started to suspect Jimmy<->Conan, then Conan discovered about the dead boy and ordered Rachel to get the guys, Conan also dropped the "big-sister" part - like he was ordering her as his equal. That's how Rachel became more suspicious by the manner and tone of Conan's speech. However, "big-sister" isn't really used in America, so that was lost. :sweat:


I don't really see the point in keeping it a secret from Rachel. It's not like she's going to go blab about Jimmy being alive. She would help more than hinder, as she does have a keen mind as well.

Well, there are also "fringe benefits" for not telling, as Conan would discover. ;)
Little Conan gets to take baths with "big-sister" Rachel. :anime:

It was a pretty good epsoide. The hint was worthless. A better one could of been like dad or something but that would be too good a hint. I'm not sure how a ball point pen is a good hint but who knows.

Actually, IIRC (I haven't seen that ep in a while), it was quite ingenius.
I think I remembered myself saying, "what?!" :D


(although I still don't get the $250,000 part).

As somebody said, it's the dead boy's life insurance money.
The guy was sending $10K per month for 2 years. If you count the beginning and end months, that's 25 months total. 25 x $10K = $250K.


Did it appear to anyone else that the English text on the letter and game seemed inserted? Or maybe that was in the original, but it sure looked like that had been edited.

The dead boy has an English name. That should be a clue that it's edited. ;)
(Don't worry; I checked the original.)


Hey Lost Rune (Lots o Rum :D ), could you please tell me what this pic is all about. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/blush.jpg) It was when Rachel became all embarrassed. Thanks in advance.

Rachel screaming that she doesn't like playing games! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/rachel%20yelling.jpg)

I'm sorry POSam; I was busy debating "yakyu" baseball in a Japanese newspaper forum. :sweat:

Yeah, as somebody else said, it was just Rachel getting embarrassed for remembering confessing her love in front of Conan, whom she thought then as also Jimmy. :anime:

Incidentally, about the "doesn't like playing video games" part, the dub actually changed it. IIRC, Conan asked Rachel if she "loves/likes" playing video games, then Rachel snapped back out of her "love confession" daydream saying, "Who said anything about love/like!!!" :D


It's a sham Rachel was fooled by Dr. Agasa, but when did Conan get the chance to go tell Dr. Agasa what had happened? If she was that suspicious I get the feeling she wouldn't have let him out of her site.

Don't you remember? Conan separated from them in the park saying he has some things to do.


I was thinking. How could a show go on for that long just with some cases and a little knocking out Richard and pretending to be him. How could a show be that long and still have people watching it.

As Baranyi said, it later becomes more a "character story" when more characters are introduced. And some of those characters would become privy to his secret, so Conan will have more ways at his disposal.

And Richard isn't as dumb as he seems to be in these early eps. He used to be a top detective in the police force. He just became a slacker and drinks a lot. :D

[Spastic Minnow]

This is what happened to me last night.

Conan kicks the knife out of the guys hand, they run over to confront him, he grabs the kid again, tells them he's going to kill him in revenge, the kid says something like "Oh, you must be--" BEEEEEEEEEEEEEP full screen Emergency Broadcat System Test- BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP- The man is crying on the ground the kid is safe, the danger is passed.

I realize now I could have recorded the second showing but I forgot about it. Will someone please tell me what happened?


As for thoughts on the show. The only problem I had was how straight forward Conan was being. Previously he's been careful not to sound so smart and just guide others into the clues. This time he's revealing how he realized the guy was a surgeon, he's actively solving the case, showing everything to everybody, the video game, the entry in the case histories. It's a bit sudden and not so subtle. Of course Rachel thought something was up, how could she not!

[lostrune]

This is what happened to me last night.

Conan kicks the knife out of the guys hand, they run over to confront him, he grabs the kid again, tells them he's going to kill him in revenge, the kid says something like "Oh, you must be--" BEEEEEEEEEEEEEP full screen Emergency Broadcat System Test- BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP- The man is crying on the ground the kid is safe, the danger is passed.

I realize now I could have recorded the second showing but I forgot about it. Will someone please tell me what happened?

Heheheh.
The boy just said something like, "Hey, so you're the kind man who's sending me those toys. Thank you. And I take very good care of them."
Then the guy realized how much that boy reminded him of his own son, so he foregoed killing the boy.


As for thoughts on the show. The only problem I had was how straight forward Conan was being. Previously he's been careful not to sound so smart and just guide others into the clues. This time he's revealing how he realized the guy was a surgeon, he's actively solving the case, showing everything to everybody, the video game, the entry in the case histories. It's a bit sudden and not so subtle. Of course Rachel thought something was up, how could she not!

Yeah, Jimmy got too determined to solve the case that he became careless. Probably a little bit of arrogance there too - he doesn't want to act nor treated as a kid all the time. :D

[bigddan11]

Hmmm, I just had an interesting question come to my mind. We know that DB, DBZ, and DBGT combined for a grand total of 493 episodes and close to 20 movies and TV specials. So far Poke'Mon has 358 episodes and 7 movies & TV specials, and Detective Conan has around 385 episodes with 8 movies, but which series will end up going the longest out of the three?

[PickHut]

Another good episode, both the case and the whole Rachel/Conan thing kept you interested the whole time. I know this is only the beginning, but Rachel dropping her suspicion about how much he resembles Jimmy at the end was kind of a let down :shrug: . I thought maybe she would still be a little bit suspicious after that.

Anyway, I give Case of the Mysterious Gifts an A.

[Umino]

I just love how this takes place in Tokyo, Japan yet everyone has American names.

The ending song is horrid. It should be beaten with an ugly stick.

[Sampo]

Conan asked if Rachel like the game too. Rachel, all furious, just took the verb "like" and took it as "You like me." The little Japanese on the background meant, "like."


Actually an reference of Yaiba, the mangaka Gosho AOYAMA's work before DC-CC, which spanned to a length of 24 volumes of manga and a successful anime series (albeit not as long as DC-CC of course). The person on the cover was Yaiba KUROGANE, kid samurai who tried to save the world.
Cool, thanks for the info. I appreciate it.

You woulnd't happen to have an mp3 clip of that little scene perchance?
Sure here you go.

"Heeey Rachel you want to play? You like this game don't you Rachel?"
"I HATE VIDEO GAMES AND DON'T YOU FORGET ITTTT!!!"

Dialog Clip. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/Sounds/I%20hate%20video%20games.MP3)


This is what happened to me last night.

Conan kicks the knife out of the guys hand, they run over to confront him, he grabs the kid again, tells them he's going to kill him in revenge, the kid says something like "Oh, you must be--" BEEEEEEEEEEEEEP full screen Emergency Broadcat System Test- BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP- The man is crying on the ground the kid is safe, the danger is passed.

I realize now I could have recorded the second showing but I forgot about it. Will someone please tell me what happened?
....

Man that bites :(

Lune Rost already made a reply, but since I had the wacky record system setup to record the above clip. Here you go :D

Dialog Clip (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/Sounds/fathers%20tears.MP3) about the scene you missed due to the Bleep'n Beeps.


Later

[Master Moron]

Yes, and then the series would end after six episodes. Conan would be found out, everyone would be killed by the organization, THE END!!! Good idea.

I fail to see how Rachel finding out would lead to everyone being killed by the organization. I mean, why would Rachel want to tell the men in black that Jimmy was still alive? Don't you think Rachel would be trustworthy enough not to tell? I mean, according to what other people on this thread have said, other characters in the show do find out about Conan's secret, and presumably, don't tell. So, if other characters can find out, why not Rachel? I'm certainly not suggesting everyone in the show find out about Conan's secret. I'm suggesting ONE person find out about Conan's secret. And it's not so much that I'm desperately waiting for Rachel to find out Conan's secret, it's that the whole episode was built around her finding out his secret and it never happened...or rather it did and she forgot about it later...it's just such a typical overused plot device that I was really annoyed about it. The episode probably would have been perfect without the whole Rachel subplot.

[Spastic Minnow]

Man that bites :(

Lune Rost already made a reply, but since I had the wacky record system setup to record the above clip. Here you go :D

Dialog Clip (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/Sounds/fathers%20tears.MP3) about the scene you missed due to the Bleep'n Beeps.


Hey, thanks a bunch!:anime:

You too rostrune!

I guess I can now expect that EBS to come up every month at that time, :sad: but in the future I'll remember to record the next showing.

[EroSennin]

Yes, and then the series would end after six episodes. Conan would be found out, everyone would be killed by the organization, THE END!!! Good idea.
Why? The bad guys think Jimmy is dead, but Racheal knows hes alive. I think its a far greater risk keeping her in the dark than it is knowing Conan=Jimmy. Throughout the series so far shes been talking about Jimmy, if someonehears hes still alive then the organization would probably go and kill everyone

[Crimefighter]

Ummm...wouldn't letting the secret out to lay a trap for the criminals result in finding them a LOT faster and getting that cure? 300+ episodes with this series...yep, it's that long cause Conan NEVER finds these guys again and has to grow up all over, kinda like Goku in GT.

[herbkir]

This was an engrossing episode. Conan got so involved in solving this case that he simply forgot to be careful. As to Rachel being fooled by the phone call, she showed the human tendency to want to believe the improbable over the impossible. And as far as she knows, it's impossible for a teenager to be transformed into a little boy even though there was a ton of evidence pointing to exactly that. She didn't really stop to think about questioning the phone call because it meant she didn't have to believe something that's impossible.

Yes, having Rachel believe Jimmy is still alive somewhere is a bit of a plot hole that would call the whole Conan disguise into question. And there are story possibilities that would arise from Rachel knowing the secret. But things are as they are. These holes aren't so great as to ruin the story for me. (^_*)

[lostrune]

I fail to see how Rachel finding out would lead to everyone being killed by the organization. I mean, why would Rachel want to tell the men in black that Jimmy was still alive? Don't you think Rachel would be trustworthy enough not to tell? I mean, according to what other people on this thread have said, other characters in the show do find out about Conan's secret, and presumably, don't tell. So, if other characters can find out, why not Rachel?

I won't debate with you why Conan didn't tell Rachel for now.
But read my spoiler box above - that would be another incentive for Conan not to tell. She'd kill him for it! :D


Hey, thanks a bunch!:anime:

You too rostrune!

AAARRRGGGHHH!!! It begins! :mad: :D


Ummm...wouldn't letting the secret out to lay a trap for the criminals result in finding them a LOT faster and getting that cure?

The two M.I.B.'s are competent enough adversaries not to be captured like that as well as know that Conan would be searching for the drug and thus would be even more protective of it. :shrug:


300+ episodes with this series...yep, it's that long cause Conan NEVER finds these guys again and has to grow up all over, kinda like Goku in GT.

Actually, Conan will be more than enough involved with them to know how competent they are. :)

[shogunthethird]

Rachel might kill him if she found out, but personally once the initial anger wore off and Jimmy revealed a few personal truths of his own, she'd be somewhat relieved, she's probably hurting and Jimmy definitely is but if they admitted their true feelings to each other, the pain would go away(I speak from experience here having been through a strained relationship myself) Ironically most if not all of the couples on AS suffer from the same problem of not being able to open up to each other

[Spidey2099]

And as far as she knows, it's impossible for a teenager to be transformed into a little boy even though there was a ton of evidence pointing to exactly that. She didn't really stop to think about questioning the phone call because it meant she didn't have to believe something that's impossible.
Which makes you wonder what explanation she would come up with to explain Conan. I guess she'd think Jimmy's been kidnapped and Conan's a little Jimmy clone walking around before guessing the truth...:anime:

[Mystic Shadow]

I just love how this takes place in Tokyo, Japan yet everyone has American names.

The ending song is horrid. It should be beaten with an ugly stick.I... like... the ending song. Kicks the crap out of anything SM ever had.

[Teek]

The ED song is growing on me too, though I can't quite tell what the hell he is saying at certain points. Is it a translated version of the original first ED?

[Mystic Shadow]

The ED song is growing on me too, though I can't quite tell what the hell he is saying at certain points. Is it a translated version of the original first ED?I can't tell what he's saying at any points. I just like the way it sounds. Kinda like the Pillows...

[Teek]

It's just blah imagination, a sort of empty blah, while I fiddle with my fingers and take a sip of the blah, let's blah blah blah blah rhythm of the blah blah blah blah pieces are here for blah?

Maybe the guy had a striz-zoke in his briz-zain as M.C. Pee-pee Pants would say, so he can't speak well? ;)

[Umino]

I... like... the ending song. Kicks the crap out of anything SM ever had.
Ah yes, Aino Senshi, Sailor Team no Theme, Moonlight Legend, and Sailor Stars all suck compare to 30 secs. of some bad singer whose words come out as 'zipzopzipo' and random words.

Sorry my friend, but your attempt to insult the great musical score of Sailor Moon has failed. ~.^

[livingfruitvirus]

Anyone notice this site? -

http://www.caseclosed.com/index2_cc.cfm?page=suspects_cc

[Mystic Shadow]

Ah yes, Aino Senshi, Sailor Team no Theme, Moonlight Legend, and Sailor Stars all suck compare to 30 secs. of some bad singer whose words come out as 'zipzopzipo' and random words.Yes that's exactly what I'm saying.

[Teek]

Anyone notice this site? -

http://www.caseclosed.com/index2_cc.cfm?page=suspects_ccI actually went to that last night, when I saw that they had short little summaries of the mysteries though I stopped. Why spoil the fun by reading what the episode is about and who the suspects are?

[Freedom Fighter]

Better than Witch Hunter Robin. A whole lot better than Wolf's Rain. I can't believe I'm staying up until 12:30 to watch this show even though I know I got get up at 7 to go to work every morning!

Though I agree... it was more interesting last night paying attention to the subplot of Rachel figuring out Conan's secret than the case... though the whole 'attempted murder on the doctor's son' part nearly brought it even.

You know, we all wonder how Conan can hold this secret for 350+ episodes... and then we'll all look back on this in six or seven years when we get to the 350's and be amazed... and who knows, Conan might be over 700 cases by then in Japan. Good gosh. :sweat:

I don't know why I find myself so intrigued with this series. Maybe it's the fact that you can play along and try and solve the case with Conan. I would try myself, but I'm having too much fun enjoying the show itself.

At least now Inuyasha has a companion for 'anime series that don't mold to the 26-episode rule.' And you know, I don't mind one bit.

[DemonKrowno]

i love this show. every episode is better then the last. :D

question: what ever are the hints for at the end of each episode?

[randi]

I can't tell what he's saying at any points. I just like the way it sounds. Kinda like the Pillows...
Well The Pillows only say some words that you can understand. The one I've heard with the most words Little Busters.

[syphos]

It's just blah imagination, a sort of empty blah, while I fiddle with my fingers and take a sip of the blah, let's blah blah blah blah rhythm of the blah blah blah blah pieces are here for blah?

Maybe the guy had a striz-zoke in his briz-zain as M.C. Pee-pee Pants would say, so he can't speak well? ;)
*falls out of his chair laughing* too funny! :D all i remember about the ending song is imagination, concentration, and something about luke warm tea :confused:

[HumanoidTyphoon]

The problem with that website "guess the suspect" thing is that you only have the pictures of them to go on unless I'm missing something.

I like the end song there's only one bit I can't make out.

It's just imagination, a sort of empty concentration, while I fiddle with my fingers and take a sip of luke warm tea.

Let's walk lightly to the infectious rhythm of the ------ puzzle pieces are here for me?

[Yash]

For anyone who wants to know what the lyrics are:

"It's just my imagination
A sort've empty concentration
While I
fiddle with my fingers and take a sip of lukewarm tea
Let's walk lightly to the infectious rythym of the
cool bossa nova
And all the myriad puzzle pieces are here for me"

[Teek]

There we go, "luke warm tea" I was thinking he was saying "the bordie." With my having no clue what bordie meant, maybe some fancy liqour. ;)

[TnAdct1]

question: what ever are the hints for at the end of each episode?
At the end of each "next episode" preview, there's a shot of Conan and Ran standing next to a sign that contains an object that will serve somewhat as a hint to the next episode. The hint ranges for not really being important to the case (i.e. the clue concerning last night's episode) to making the suspect obvious (i.e. the clue concerning Monday's episode). BTW, in case you want it, the hint for tonight's episode is ball-point pen.

[Duke]

I like the Opening and Ending, I just wish I got to here more of them.

Of course, I also like the fact that FUNi does translate the songs into English. Now if only they'd release soundtracks other than DBZ...

[syphos]

the ball point pen is actually a very helpful clue in this episode, unlike the bar codes from last night *shudders*

[Kaiser0120]

Someone really needs to make an MP3 of the ending them, and if possible, make an mp3 of the opening from the first episode. That'd rule. ^_^

[randi]

Someone really needs to make an MP3 of the ending them, and if possible, make an mp3 of the opening from the first episode. That'd rule. ^_^
Yeah,that'd be cool. But its hard for me to find MP3's. I'm lucky I have the ones I have.

[SirLemming]

I have officially banned my air conditioner from being on while Case Closed is on. Tried it last night, but I just needed to devote my full attention to the show. Now that's... ...good

Funny how they went nuts changing the text in this past episode, but not on the "Jimmy" package in the Valentine episode.

As for Jimmy not telling Rachel... Logically speaking, there could definitely be an advantage to telling her. But it's a love thing, you know. If there's even a slight chance that she'll be put in danger, regardless of how intelligent and resourceful she is, he won't risk it.

Last night was anyone else thinking:
RACHEL: Good job, Detective Conan!
JIMMY: *gasp* But... but... the show is called Case Closed now!

Oh, and did anyone else notice that he screwed up the slogan last night? He said, "With a keen eye for details, one truth will prevail!" instead of "With a keen eye for details, one truth prevails!"

[Duke]

Someone really needs to make an MP3 of the ending them, and if possible, make an mp3 of the opening from the first episode. That'd rule. ^_^
Or, FUNi could make soundtracks for something OTHER than DBZ, so we could have FULL versions!

[PaQ]

With a keen eye for details.. only one Review prevails!! :cool:

We open up with Rachel, Conan and the JDL at the supermarket apparently shopping.. When Amy brings up if it's true that Rachel knows Jimmy Kudo, and then George asks if he's her boyfriend, causing Rachel to reply "We're not like that" while blushing.. but perhaps more awkward was Conan saying the same thing.. which drew Rachel's attention for a second.. at least until Amy comes to the conclusion that Jimmy is her boyfriend.. Which flusters Rachel even more causing her to just rip leaf after leaf off the head of lettuce in her hands as she blushes. That was a funny moment.

As Rachel and Conan try to relax back in the office of Detective Richard Moore, including Rachel wondering why Jimmy is taking so long with his case and questioning his abilities when Dr. Woodman shows up at the door with boxes of toys that fall and knock down Conan. As Conan gets help up from the Doctor, it is then that he notices the indentations on the index fingers thus Conan coming to the conclusion that the Doctor was a surgeon. Dr. Woodman has come to Richard to have him help identify who is sending him all these toys and 10,000 in cash every month. After some jokes from Richard (which probably weren't jokes :shrug: ) They find out that Dr. Woodman has a 5 year old son, Joseph, and Conan notices that there were no Barcodes on the toy boxes.. and that some of the toys looked used. Conan speculates that perhaps it's a former patient of his, and with the interesting letter that came with the money this month.. They figured it would be best to go to Dr. Woodman's office and check out a painting that perhaps may be the target. All the while Conan's been leading the investigation.. and Rachel has been noticing and.. keeps thinking of Jimmy!!!

So so far, the barcode clue was getting me nowhere.. I was completely confused, as it seemed the mystery was being somewhat overshadowed by Rachel's constant noticing of the likeness of Conan to Jimmy. On arrival to the hospital the morning glory flowers are presented and then the day February 19th. After Richard had no luck on the search of the medical records (after some prodding from Conan) Conan takes a stab at them, and finds some possibilities.. but as he's trying to share his information with Rachel, she jumps on him (not physically) and tricks him into responding to the name Jimmy. As it seems he is caught.. She begins to blush in horror that he knows everything about her liking him, Conan realizing his identity is in danger, and more importantly Rachel's life.. tries to cover it up quickly by grabbing one of the toys, a GAME Boy MAN and begins to play it.. When suddenly a boys name appears on the save screen, when Conan connects the dots, he orders Rachel to get Richard and the Doctor into the room.. Where Conan proceeds to tell them that the suspect has to be the parents of Tommy, a boy who died on Feb 19, under Dr. Woodman's care, and that Joseph was in danger.. After finding out that Joseph had been picked up by some man, the team led by Conan race towards the school. When on the bridge they notice the man about to stab poor Joseph.. Conan acting fast, presses the switch on his shoes and charges towards some kids playing with a soccer ball and in one motion kicks the ball over his head super hard and knocks the knife out of the hand of the man.. Tearful moment occurs as Joseph reminds the man of Tommy, the doc feels sorry for the man and decides not to call the police.. We go back to Moore's office, where Rachel corners Conan, demanding that he tell her the truth and that she knows he's Jimmy, when the phone rings.. I have to say i was totally expecting that to happen, it's like the typical anime law when your identity is about to be revealed, have someone call pretending to be you while you're in the room. Dr. Agasa helps Conan fool Rachel and protect his identity and her safety.. but it's just sad that he has to lie to her.. :(

Next episode's clue: ball-point pen

I give "The Case of the Mysterious Gifts" an A+

[Perfect Cell]

Pretty weak episode today IMO, predictable from the start.. :(

[Youko Recca]

I really put effort into this one and solved it right along with Conan. Pretty soon I figured the director's age was just there to throw us off from the fact he did it. Best episode so far. This show is owning so far and I don't see it stopping for awhile.

[Duke]

Wow. Complex mystery this time. I figured it was the old man from the beginning due to that FUNi site, but I didn't confirm it until Jimmy was putting everything together. I must say, the pen was clever.

I'm never visiting that FUNi "Who do you think it is" site again. It spoiled the killings for me.

Also, I never get this about animated security cameras. How could a camera in the upper corner capture those camera angles and scenes? And with bulit-in zoom as well.

[randi]

Tonights was a good one and the hint did help. I thought it was the old man all along. This one was like a filler case. Nothing big happened. And this one was another reason it shouldn't be on Toonami. What is Funi going to do. Make it look like he is hung on the wall like a poster.

Disposable Camera

[SirLemming]

For the first time, it felt a little stale. But it happens. 1 out of 8 ain't bad. Still better than Cowboy Bebop's "Wild Horses".


And yeah, you gotta love the camera angles and reaction shots. Directors always seem to forget to take that into account.

[Duke]

And yeah, you gotta love the camera angles and reaction shots. Directors always seem to forget to take that into account.
Not to mention the video is CRYSTAL CLEAR. I'm sure American stores would love to have a camera like that.

[TnAdct1]

I'm never visiting that FUNi "Who do you think it is" site again. It spoiled the killings for me.
I know. As soon as I realized that the solution on the web site was for tonight's episode, I immediately clicked off the site and tried my hardest to forget what I just saw.

[Mr_Millions]

I do enjoy this show. It's fun to solve the crimes along with Conan. I think the best part of this episode for me was the actual crime. It was just really cool (and gruesome. Yeesh.)

BTW, why do most of the characters have western names? Is it "just one of those things?" Yeah, I'm sure this is probably answered somewhere, but that's alot of posts to wade through.

[Jowy Blight]

Another good episode, even if I did have it figured out somewhere near the start. It was much more involved then I thought at first though.

Next episode, another scene that would not have made it on Toonami. :D

[Duke]

BTW, why do most of the characters have western names? Is it "just one of those things?" Yeah, I'm sure this is probably answered somewhere, but that's alot of posts to wade through.
FUNi wants CC/DC to reach the widest audience available, so they changed the names with the help of the Japanese creators so that the casual American viewer won't be shunned away.

[Anime Freak]

Another great eppy tonight. Good to see that Conan wasn't totally ignored again! LMAO @ the junior detective part at the end (was that really necessary!?!). Still, the director being the purpotrator was actually way too obvious, but Duke was right,I went to that Funi site as well and got spoiled.

Oh,one other thing. Did anyone else notice that Rachel got suspicious of Conan again there at the beginning? Or am I the only one who thought this.

[randi]

Hum,lets wait and see what Sampo's got for us now.

[Master Moron]

I... like... the ending song. Kicks the crap out of anything SM ever had.

While, I agree that Detective Conan's ending song is cool, it definitely isn't as good as most of the Sailor Moon endings. Sailor Moon R and Sailor Moon S's endings were particularly good, and definitely kicks the crap out of Conan's ending. Why are we talking about Sailor Moon anyway? Or were you just talking about sadism and masochism?

[Master Moron]

Also, I never get this about animated security cameras. How could a camera in the upper corner capture those camera angles and scenes? And with bulit-in zoom as well.

I think there was more than one camera.

I thought this was an okay episode, but I guess the problem was there was only two suspects. No other characters were really shown long enough to be suspects. By the way, I must have missed something. Where did Conan find the pen without ink? I know he found the replacement pen next to a statue, but where did he find the actual pen that was used by the victim?

[Duke]

I think there was more than one camera.We never saw more than one camera. We just saw the one.

By the way, I must have missed something. Where did Conan find the pen without ink? I know he found the replacement pen next to a statue, but where did he find the actual pen that was used by the victim?The old man had it. Conan was just guessing. He didn't know for sure if the old man would have the blank pen, but the road led right up to it. He figured that since he was the one who disliked the casino guy (Mukara was it?) and the skinny guy (Kabone, right?), and that he had the perfect way to make sure Kabone got blamed, then Conan figured he was the culprit.

[Spidey2099]

Oh,one other thing. Did anyone else notice that Rachel got suspicious of Conan again there at the beginning? Or am I the only one who thought this.Nope, she seemed to be pretty obvious in her statement. So I guess it only took her one episode to figure out that the phone call was a fake. *applaudes for Rachel*

BTW, does anyone else think this show would make a good video game? Maybe a little cheapy for the GameBoy Advance, or a 3D platform game for one of the consoles? It'd be neat having to search through the crime scene without getting anyone suspicous about Conan. With all new mysteries, of course. Basing the game off the original episodes would be kind of pointless. :sweat:

[Don_East]

(Sigh) Look at all that blood at the crime scene. Not even 4-Kids can't edit all that blood out.

This episode is okay, the ball point pen was too revealing as a Conan Hint, shoud have been the note.

Grade: B

Next Episode: Man gets shot through the head, hole is shown. This is not Toonami material.

[Tapout]

I didn't like how the director totally flipped when he pulled his pen out. Instead of freaking, he could have tried it and then asked if someone else had a pen that worked. It would still have proven Conan's theory and looked a little less obvious.

Other than that the episode was good.

[Pepperidge]

FUNi wants CC/DC to reach the widest audience available, so they changed the names with the help of the Japanese creators so that the casual American viewer won't be shunned away.
No, TMS wants DC to reach the widest audience available, so they made FUNi change the names, just like THEY designed the new logo for the show.

No respectful anime distributor today would even think of voluntarily changing the names in a show if they didn't have to, and the only instances where that does ever happen usually involves a request from the Japnaese licensor. And I have yet to see anything that explicitly states that the name changes were FUNimation's idea.

[ohmrbill]

BTW, does anyone else think this show would make a good video game? Maybe a little cheapy for the GameBoy Advance, or a 3D platform game for one of the consoles? It'd be neat having to search through the crime scene without getting anyone suspicous about Conan. With all new mysteries, of course. Basing the game off the original episodes would be kind of pointless. :sweat:
According to GameFAQs, there are no fewer than 13 Detective Conan video games. No idea what any of them are like, or if they're any good, though.

I didn't like how the director totally flipped when he pulled his pen out. Instead of freaking, he could have tried it and then asked if someone else had a pen that worked. It would still have proven Conan's theory and looked a little less obvious.
I wasn't aware that "freaking" was ever a conscious decision made by anyone.

[tucsoncoyote]

(Sigh) Look at all that blood at the crime scene. Not even 4-Kids can't edit all that blood out.

This episode is okay, the ball point pen was too revealing as a Conan Hint, shoud have been the note.

Grade: B

Next Episode: Man gets shot through the head, hole is shown. This is not Toonami material.Well Don, if you want to know my thoughts on this.. if you show cleavage, panties, or blood, it's definitely NOT Toonami material..
(So then can Megas XLR or maybe Code:Lyoko be on Adult Swim?:D After all it's just a matter of time!)

:coyote:

[fearlessleader7]

I really liked this episode. The mystery was complex. I'll give it an A+

EDIT:
Does anyone know which episode number is the one where they first find out that giving Jimmy alcohol temporarily turns him back into a teenager?
I'd like to know that too. I wonder if lostrune knows?

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM4.jpghttp://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM5.jpg


Rachel finds a subtle way to tell Conan and Richard that she REALLY wants to go to the museum. Once there, they find a mural of mystery and death.

Yup it was obvious that the old man was the murder because he had a motive to kill the owner... Although in my opinion, the fun and challenging part of the show is not to just point fingers (like Richard Moore), but to find enough of the clues so that you have the evidence to charge that person with murder while trying to beat Conan/Jimmy.

Anyway back to the episode. That was one gruesome scene. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/murder.jpg) I remember watching Usui's death while watching the unedited version on DVD a couple of weeks ago... Dang this guys death looks much more gorier. Odd, I never thought a pen could be so crucial to the crime. Once Richard (HEY Conan didn't have to knock him out! :)) pointed out how the crime played out, I stared at the screen grinning. Very nicely done.

Fun stuff. Rachel giving her dad's desk a little love tap. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/being%20subtle.jpg) Rachel gleefully threatening Richard and Conan that she wouldn't make dinner if they didn't check out that last exibit, which causes Conan and Richard to agree against their will. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/agree.jpg)

Can't wait till Monday for more.



Hey, thanks a bunch!:anime:

You to rostrune!
AAARRRGGGHHH!!! It begins! :mad: :D
LOL :D

Someone really needs to make an MP3 of the ending them, and if possible, make an mp3 of the opening from the first episode. That'd rule. ^_^Yup that would rule.

[lostrune]

1. Heheh, not much to say: :)

a. The Japanese names were kept this ep. I guess it would've been too much to redraw the Japanese name (Kubota) on the crampled paper into English, so that's why. :shrug:

b. Heh, pretty much the same thing:
Hades Room <-- Hell Room
Heaven's Punishment <-- Divine Punishment

c. Like the first ep, the "white light" blood splatter is not an edit.

d. Originally, the museum was to be turned into a hotel rather than a casino.


2. At least Detective Richard Moore finally showed that he's smart enough to figure out Conan's hints. :cool:


The ED song is growing on me too, though I can't quite tell what the hell he is saying at certain points. Is it a translated version of the original first ED?

I dunno; I don't usually pay attention to the lyrics. But it is the 1st ED music. :sweat:


Oh,one other thing. Did anyone else notice that Rachel got suspicious of Conan again there at the beginning? Or am I the only one who thought this.

I think she was just peeved that kid Conan commenting that the "museum's stunt," to which she's intrigued, is just "kid stuff" - oh the irony. :D


I think there was more than one camera.

Nah, just one security camera. No zoom neither.
It was just good enough that Conan was able to see what's going on in the background while the knight posed for a few secs in the foreground.

The director planned it that way (to frame Kubota), so I guess he already checked that the security camera was good enough to do that.


Does anyone know which episode number
is the one where they first find out that giving Jimmy alcohol temporarily turns him back into a teenager? I really liked this episode. The mystery was complex. I'll give it an A+

EDIT: I'd like to know that too. I wonder if lostrune knows?

I honestly haven't gone that far. My stuff are actually from several years ago, in the days of VHS. Now think about that! :D


Someone really needs to make an MP3 of the ending them, and if possible, make an mp3 of the opening from the first episode. That'd rule. ^_^
Yup that would rule.

I thought you were gonna do it? I think they meant the AS-truncated English versions. (After all, they haven't heard the original themes.) :shrug:

[Mystic Shadow]

Well this was a great one. It was quite refreshing to see all the gore. I've missed it. I loved seeing Richard and Connan acting the same way durring the episode. Them not wanting to go, Them being bored...

I thought this one was fairly easy to follow along with. I knew right away when I saw the pen that that wasn't the right one. The only thing that confused me was, I wasn't sure what Connan was asking for directions to the bathroom.

....still good ending song, still very little J.D.L. ....A+ (Partly because of the blood.)

[Mystic Shadow]

Well The Pillows only say some words that you can understand. The one I've heard with the most words Little Busters.Well, I know the Pillows is in Japanese... I just can't understand Japanese, like I can't understand the Connan ending, even though it's in English. It just sounds cool.

[Jaguar]

The only thing I recognize from it is "Take a sip of lukewarm tea" and that scares me.

[Anime Freak]

The only thing I recognize from it is "Take a sip of lukewarm tea" and that scares me.
Boy do I feel stupid now, I thought he was saying "Take a sip of route 14".

[randi]

, I wasn't sure what Connan was asking for directions to the bathroom.
I think he was asking him to write in down because he said he couldn't remember the directions to the bathroom "it was like take a left then stright and a right then go up the stairs." Conan was thinking that he could get him to grab the pen that was out of ink to write it down.

[Duke]

No, TMS wants DC to reach the widest audience available, so they made FUNi change the names, just like THEY designed the new logo for the show.

No respectful anime distributor today would even think of voluntarily changing the names in a show if they didn't have to, and the only instances where that does ever happen usually involves a request from the Japnaese licensor. And I have yet to see anything that explicitly states that the name changes were FUNimation's idea.
I have yet to see anything that explicitly states that the name changes were TMS's idea either.

[Karl Olson]

Funi @ SakuraCon 2004 said the name changes occured because it was going to be "a mass-market property" and therefore the name changes were made so that it'd be accessible to as wide an audience as possible. Grouchy, anal otaku aren't going to watch it in anything less than uncut subs anyway, so Funi probably gains more than they lose with the name changes to a property like Case Closed.

Personally, I've found it to be pretty enjoyable regardless of the changes, because it's a very complete package anime-wise. Comedy, drama, action, nice animation and fast-paced storytelling add up to be a very enjoyable time.

[Sketch]

Well that makes sense I guess but why do they do that on Conan when they haven't done it to any of their other big hits? Previously they've only modified names but kept them similar to the original by chopping parts off (Tien) or taking letters out (Koko Kurama).

Hey John Burgmeier was a securty guard at the beging. It's funny to hear him do the role of a scardy cat when he's so confident as Kurama and Tien.

[Karl Olson]

Well that makes sense I guess but why do they do that on Conan when they haven't done it to any of their other big hits? Previously they've only modified names but kept them similar to the original by chopping parts off (Tien) or taking letters out (Koko Kurama).

Hey John Burgmeier was a securty guard at the beging. It's funny to hear him do the role of a scardy cat when he's so confident as Kurama and Tien.

My guess is because Conan/Case is the first title Funi's had that truely transcends demographic, IE, it's a real family show. The DB series and YYH are very 6-14 male, Fruits Basket is very 12-24 female, GXP, Blue Gender and KG are very 18-34 year old male, and Kodocha and Sakura Wars are very otaku-centric. Lupin's the closest thing Funi's had to something with a real cross-audience appeal, but it's a movie series, so it wouldn't have a shot at TV anyway really.

Given that Conan is not a niche property compared to their previous endevours, and given that it's something that might grab people flipping through channels, the more accessible, the better. If people stick around because it doesn't immediately read as anime, then they get hooked. Conan, if it can get the ratings, is mainstream enough in tone to get attention in mainstream publications. That can't be said for WHR, WR, FLCL, Blue Gender, Reign, Trigun, Kikaider, Big O or any other anime aired to date on CN, even the previously most accessible title AS has aired, Cowboy Bebop. Conan could be massive, as long as they can even get the people with the Animation is for Kids attitude hooked on it.

Atleast that's my guess.

[Sanwich]

And so begins another session of Conan-holics Anonymous. ;)

I didn't like how the director totally flipped when he pulled his pen out. Instead of freaking, he could have tried it and then asked if someone else had a pen that worked. It would still have proven Conan's theory and looked a little less obvious.
I actually thought this too, but after the director went through his whole confession and recognized Conan for really cracking the case, I think he was mainly 'freaking' because he realized that Conan - this little kid - had figured out what was going on.

Wow, tonight's episode was really difficult for some reason, even with the clue. It was really obvious that the director did it (except for his age, maybe), but I had the darndest time figuring out how everything fit together. I kinda feel sorry for the old guy - at least he accepted the fact that he's been 'tainted' by the evil he was trying to destroy.

Three days and counting 'till the next episode. o_-

[Sampo]

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I thought you were gonna do it? I think they meant the AS-truncated English versions. (After all, they haven't heard the original themes.) :shrug:LOL, for some reason I read that request wrong. Sorry about that guys.

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[Beat]

I'm not feeling this show anymore.

I don't know if it's the edits, or that the Junior Detective League seems like the Armada brats times 100, but the spark that was in the opening episodes is gone now.
I'm going to give it another week's worth of episodes, but if I'm not convinced by then, well, WS better hope G4TechTV doesn't do something smart and air the rest of "Last Exile".

[Jaguar]

WS better hope G4TechTV doesn't do something smart and air the rest of "Last Exile". G4TechTV do something smart? God forbid.

[Mystic Shadow]

G4TechTV do something smart? God forbid.Well... they have anime unleashed... that's something...

[HumanoidTyphoon]

I'm never visiting that FUNi "Who do you think it is" site again. It spoiled the killings for me.The site shouldn't spoil anything it puts up the suspects and lets people vote and it just happens the old man got the most votes. It doesn't actually say it was him.

I'm not feeling this show anymore.

I don't know if it's the edits....but hasn't it been essentially unedited...


Thanks for the theme songs Sampo.:cool:

[Sampo]

I'm not feeling this show anymore.

I don't know if it's the edits, or that the Junior Detective League seems like the Armada brats times 100, but the spark that was in the opening episodes is gone now.
I'm going to give it another week's worth of episodes, but if I'm not convinced by then, well, WS better hope G4TechTV doesn't do something smart and air the rest of "Last Exile".
Huh what edits? I agree that the members of the Junior Dective League gang are a little annoying, but they are a lot more useful than those Armada kids.

[Teek]

The site shouldn't spoil anything it puts up the suspects and lets people vote and it just happens the old man got the most votes. It doesn't actually say it was him.I think one problem is, for an episode like that there are only a few suspects. When there are quite a few suspects, that site would narrow it down to three choices only. So going in you would know it would have to be one of those three and no others.

Beatdigga, I with Sampo. What edits are you talking about? The JDL hasn't been in the series enough for me to form an opinion on them one way or another. And man, I would take George over Carlos any day, but that's just me.

[syphos]

i like the part where rachel punched the desk and said "you ARE going right?" and conan and her dad were like "*gulp* yes ma'am!":sweat:

[PickHut]

Nice episode, since I wasn't paying much attention at the beginning, I didn't figure it would obviously be the director. I was thinking it was that other assistant (not the one being accused) that murdered him for a while. :sweat:

I give Art Museum Murder Case an A.

[herbkir]

A good episode, character wise. Rachel gets assertive. (Punching down a desk is sure to get the point across.) Richard get smart. He actually listened to Conan and then was able to start piecing the clues together.

I've seen elsewhere that Richard's an ex-cop himself and that he'd be getting smarter as this series progresses. I guess they were right. And no silly knockout stunts this time. I liked this episode; it was one of the best so far.

Rachel is my favorite character. This episode supported my thinking that she's the fulcrum, the one that makes the whole thing work.

I've seen nothing about how well Conan is doing in the ratings. Anybody hear anything? (^_*)

[Wolf's Light]

I wish that Conan would just let Rachel know that he is Jimmy.
All of Canan's gagets are cool.
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Expect the unexpected- Kero
The heart of the cards- Yugi :anime:

[James Bester]

man. how can rachel not figure out conan's secret in 300 episodes?

[Mystic Shadow]

man. how can rachel not figure out conan's secret in 300 episodes?Because it's kinda hard to believe that a 17 year old kid transformed into a child. It's easier to think he's a kid that's alot like Jimmy.

[Teek]

Yeah, while Conan isn't totally based in reality, it tries to approach the whole thing seriously. Would you really believe a teenager got turned into a kid? That's simply not a thing that has ever happened before. This isn't a fantasy show with people with super powers and weird creatures, where something like that could be see as not totally out of the ordinary.

Before I watched the show I thought the idea seemed stupid, because I mistakenly thought he was purposefully turned into a kid by the drug being given to him. Having it be a weird side-affect of an experimental drug meant to kill him makes more sense in the concept of the show. Man the two guys in black should just market their drug to old people, they could make a fortune. ;)

[Ultra8]

Another week of Conan eps done and 3 days till my next Conan-fix:D , man this show is really addictive. Between bombs and trains, crazy poison vallentine's parties, depressing gifts, and a museum's bloody painting renenacment the show is getting better and better.

A++

[randi]

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Sweet,now I can listen to Conan and watch it at the same time.

[Fresh V]

Conan is a really cool show!!

Also, I checked the Jap OP and ED on AS TDA, and they are the SAME SONGS!! The english version uses the same music, just dubbs it (i was sure they used the original music on the show itself, but not so sure on the OP and ED)!!

People were complaining about the music at the beginning (i wasnt, im addicted to the music!!:D ), but it is really the original music, dubbed.

Someone might have said this before, but if someone did, I never saw the post, so im posting this.

[lostrune]

man. how can rachel not figure out conan's secret in 300 episodes?

Because across those 300+ eps, Conan actually gets some more invaluable help - and he'd need every bit of it. :)


Before I watched the show I thought the idea seemed stupid, because I mistakenly thought he was purposefully turned into a kid by the drug being given to him. Having it be a weird side-affect of an experimental drug meant to kill him makes more sense in the concept of the show. Man the two guys in black should just market their drug to old people, they could make a fortune. ;)

Actually, that drug is more random than you think. One could say it's actually a death drug but with a few side-effects in certain cases. Yeah, that'd pass the FDA approval. :D

[randi]

I was wondering. At the end was in Conan doing. Like standing on like a bomerang or soemthing. I don't know what he is doing.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

I think it's giant compass maybe a weathervane.

[Chimera]

Does anyone know the name of the jazz song that plays during the previews and when Conan is doing something actiony? I think it's great, just like I thought "respect" was awesome in Big O (the song that plays when Roger gains the upper hand in a Megadeus fight).

[Duke]

HerConan is a really cool show!!

Also, I checked the Jap OP and ED on AS TDA, and they are the SAME SONGS!! The english version uses the same music, just dubbs it (i was sure they used the original music on the show itself, but not so sure on the OP and ED)!!

People were complaining about the music at the beginning (i wasnt, im addicted to the music!!:D ), but it is really the original music, dubbed.

Someone might have said this before, but if someone did, I never saw the post, so im posting this.FUNi does this with all their series, except DBZ & GT.

[SirLemming]

Something I'd like to point out: once again, edits would damage the episode in a significant way. It's not just content. The violence here was important because the placement of the sword, the body, and the blood had to match the painting, and that added to the mystery.