[Boxed] C&C - Detective Conan/Case Closed [5/24-5/27]

[Matthew Williams]

and the show with much controversy surrounding it arrives tonight. we think. i don't know.

This Week:
Monday: #1 - The Big Shrink
Tuesday: #2 - The Kidnapped Debutante
Wednesday: #3 - Beware of Idols
Thursday: #4 - Fish Marks the Spot

As a note, keep Adult Swim bashing out of this thread... regardless of whether the show is treated well dubwise. (it's Funimation, so it's iffy, but...)

[Maphmaa]

I don't get it, was that supposed to be an opening?

[Parco]

That was the single worst opening sequence I've ever seen in my life. Please tell me that's not the actual opening the Japanese version uses.

[Mr. Pedro]

Looks like a musical intro+case preview, I think.


Or not.

[Sketch]

So they aired an opening. I wonder how long that will last. I still have to wait 3 dang hours... BAKA!

[Rabi~en~Rose]

aww geez as if the music video didn't make me cry now they're using YYH style black boxes.... OF DOOM :eek: http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[TylerL]

It's kind of stupid to spoil the first episode in the opening, so the intro music played over the "crime".
I'm pretty sure that's how it aired in Japan too.

Many anime series don't show the intro before the first episode.

[Eddie G.]

I'll add more to this post later.

I'm enjoying this cute little show, it's not fantastic but it is cute. But it should have been on Toonami.

[Artimus Gigan]

This show isn't gonna last...


episodic and it has dated animation...

[The_Dominion]

Wait so they are keeping his name as Conan?

[Maphmaa]

Entertaining enough. I don't like the designs too much, nor the OP/ED music.

Heh, it said Detective Conan in the credits.

[Discloner]

Eh, I thought it was pretty good. Nothing spectacular, but a good watch none the less. Although my expectations of the show's ability to keep up with this episode now that he's a kid are much lower...which is a shame.

[William C. Maune]

I like this, based on the first episode at least. However, I also really liked Sherlock Holmes and Encyclopedia Brown stories. I almost wish he had just stayed an adult and continued solving mysteries as in this episode, but I'm going to give the series a chance before I declare that the case.

[randi]

It wasn't too bad,I'll keep watching it. Hope it'll last. Its pretty entertaining.

[Delthayre]

That was ok, not great or terrible. The voice work felt pretty dodgy and those OP and ED songs were pretty bad, but the show was entertaining and well enough paced, although I'm not sure it's precisely AS material, although a Toonami airing would be questionable proposition, though arguably a better fit.

And I'm not optimistic regarding this show's chances either.

[jeffrey 228]

It seems they are using the YYH cast too on the dubing, and very well likly that we will see some fimilar Funimation cast from DBZ even appear on this because regarding how many voices there are and compared to DBZ, they may do the same thing wich whould start a flame war of some sort here and possably at The Offcial Adult Swim Forums, so in the suggestions of Toonami, this show should have been added to thier lineup.

[Anime Freak]

Wow pretty good first eppy, and I actually liked Jimmy's voice. But then I head conan's voice..........................wtf!?!?! The first episode was cool with regular jimmy,but now the rest of the 300+ eppys are going to have some little kid going on detective cases, can someone explain how thats Adult Swim material? By the way, the opening sucked, guess we'll have to wait til tomorrow to see if they'll include the actual real opening.

[shogunthethird]

the animation is hand-drawn and colored, the writing is intelligent, and the title character is smart and more or less well-adjusted mentally outside of a detective fixation.....this show is so doomed, new title or otherwise, five bucks says AS will do a poll pitting the diminutive detective against anime's most infamous thief

conan: come back here! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP!

[SirLemming]

I enjoyed this a lot. Very interesting and entertaining. But I fear it will be a ratings disaster.

I'm enjoying this cute little show, it's not fantastic but it is cute. But it should have been on Toonami.How can you say that? There's no way it could be on Toonami. How could they possibly handle even the basic concept of a girl killing her ex-boyfriend, let alone the details of the beheading, the bloody knife, and the pills?

[EightOh]

What a self-absorbed prick.

Anyways, interesting little episode. Not spectacular, but interesting.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

whats it matter if Jimmy is a kid or a teen? he is still the same smart detective type person :)

sooo any cuts? music replaced? bad translations? http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Rouge12]

Pretty good show, a little bit of foreshadowing, some good stuff, funny stuff, and entertaining. I think it is a good watch and I'm glad that they are showing this.
...The first part with the guy killing the other guy is supposed to be the OP or the intro to that episode? I don't see how that would be the OP.

"No, we live here. We're cave men."
XD

[Artimus Gigan]

Remember there are 300+ episodes to this series

I don't think that it will be able to have them all shown...

[Duke]

Heh, it said Detective Conan in the credits.
Kinda like Pilot Candidate/Candidate for Goddess.

I think they just can't call it "Detective Conan" out on ads & stuff, credits are a different story.

I saw Monica Rial in the credits, doesn't she usually do ADV stuff? Sheesh, all we need is a FUNi dub to include Steven Blum, Keith David, and Scott McNeil. :P

As for the episode itself, I was entertained by the episode. The mysteries were not very long, but it was a decent first episode. Didn't mind Chuck Huber as Kudo, as he did a decent job of distinguishing his voice from his "Hiei" voice. It looks like Conan is just an alias Kudo uses since he's now a kid. I wonder how long it'll be before Racheal finds out.

[shogunthethird]

if this does go to toonami it'll be what, the second FUNI show to do that? and speaking of which is it me or would Tenchi GXP be a virtual lock for AS?

[William C. Maune]

Ignoring any "content" issues, I don't think the show would have really fit Toonami. Toonami is generally a lot more action focused than ASA and there isn't a lot of actual action so far in Case Closed. It's more of a mystery show than an action show.

[Botman]

whats it matter if Jimmy is a kid or a teen? he is still the same smart detective type person :)
Yes, but now people won't take him as seriously. I only hope he'll tell someone on the police force who he is, so he'll actually be allowed to the crime scene.

I don't want him becoming Penny from "Inspector Gadget".

[Mog]

I enjoyed this a lot. Very interesting and entertaining. But I fear it will be a ratings disaster.

How can you say that? There's no way it could be on Toonami. How could they possibly handle even the basic concept of a girl killing her ex-boyfriend, let alone the details of the beheading, the bloody knife, and the pills?
Exactly. Death isn't a taboo subject like it used to be, but this show goes into great detail on the killings. I would hate to see another Usui.

As for the episode, I liked it. The second killing was pretty inventive.

A-

[Rouge12]

The episode preview was sort of abrupt. I hope that the show stays good, even though he is a kid...I hope it gets better. A smart kid solving mysteries, it was bad enough for the older ones when he was 17, now he looks 8...I'm beginning to grow optimistic.

I think that ASA is the best fit for this show.

[Duke]

How can you say that? There's no way it could be on Toonami. How could they possibly handle even the basic concept of a girl killing her ex-boyfriend, let alone the details of the beheading, the bloody knife, and the pills?
n/m that. As Maune said, the tone of the show doesn't fit Toonami AT ALL. It's a similar tone to a broadcast network detective show (a la CSI or NYPD Blue or something like that).

[Delthayre]

I really want to like this show, but Conan's little kid voice nearly gives me seizures. Did they really need to turn him into a kid? Does the series actually gain anything from it?
It gains a cheesy hook... the value of which escapes me, but what's done is done.

[jeffrey 228]

Remember there are 300+ episodes to this series

I don't think that it will be able to have them all shown...
and that even letting it on a second run is going to be one impossable task regards that there will be riots against this show, and well I would not like to see that happen, just like with DBZ and such, since I think this voices except for a cuple of them are mainly going to be of DBZ related and such.

[TnAdct1]

Wow pretty good first eppy, and I actually liked Jimmy's voice. But then I head conan's voice..........................wtf!?!?! The first episode was cool with regular jimmy,but now the rest of the 300+ eppys are going to have some little kid going on detective cases, can someone explain how thats Adult Swim material?
While the series focuses on a boy solving mysteries, a lot of these mysteries will involve someone getting killed, with Conan using his detective skills to discover who the murderer is.

In other words, Conan is like Inu-Yasha in that it's a borderline show. While the show was meant for the whole family in Japan, the fact that many of the episodes involve someone dying makes it hard to market to kids in the United States. In fact, Fox was originally going to air this series a few years ago, but ended up dropping the idea when they realized that many of the episodes focus on murder cases.

[ClockStomper]

n/m that. As Maune said, the tone of the show doesn't fit Toonami AT ALL. It's a similar tone to a broadcast network detective show (a la CSI or NYPD Blue or something like that).
Reminds me of a bloodier version of Monk...only that detective is only childish.

[Duke]

I think this show will get lynched purely for taking off IY reruns.

[TnAdct1]

I saw Monica Rial in the credits, doesn't she usually do ADV stuff? Sheesh, all we need is a FUNi dub to include Steven Blum, Keith David, and Scott McNeil. :P
The thing here is that Funi and ADV are located in the same area. Thus it allows Monica Rial (and one other ADV regular who voices Brolly in the DBZ movies) to also appear in Funimation anime titles. In fact, Monica is the voice of one of the two main characters in Funi's most recent title, Kiddy Grade (and a possibility to voice Sana in the dub for Kodocha).

[PaQ]

So this was the first episode of Case Closed.

I have to say, it was very entertaining. I enjoyed seeing the beginning murder with that music playing in the background, and then to see Jimmy Kudo solve the case and explain his logic behind it, just crazy.

I've always been a sucker for detective stories, from Encyclopedia Brown when i was younger to the Great Mouse Detective movie to the Hardy Boys to the Sherlock Holmes stories, nothing like a good mystery to solve. I like Jimmy's fascination with Sherlock Holmes and telling Rachel that the only reason he took soccer was to hone his detective skills similar to Sherlock taking fencing even though Sherlock is a fictional character.

It was interesting to see the little hints of some chemistry between Jimmy and Rachel at various moments in the episode, too bad the whole shrinking incident at the end will probably quash those feelings till Jimmy returns to his normal size.

Jimmy revealing how he figured out that second murder was very cool, and him going through a whole demonstration, he's one smart detective. I liked the whole scene before the ride too, where he grabbed the girls hand and told her she was a gymnast because of her blisters and those marks on her thieghs. ;)

I'm surprised just seeing an exchange of money for some film warranted Jimmy almost losing his life, but at least it was only the shrinking pill.. Nice little moment with Rachel not being able to move as Jimmy ran, knowing something was going to happen and being unable to stop it.

So from the previews of the next episode, Jimmy uses the Conan name as his name while he's small as to keep him from being revealed as Jimmy. I look forward to tomorrow night's episode. I really enjoyed this episode, mystery, murder, intrigue, the kid has the slickness of Lupin IMO.

I give "The Big Shrink" an A-

[Nin-Nin69]

Not a bad episode to start out the series. Too bad they had to hire a cheap garage band to play the OP for the first murder. The dubbed music so far by Funi isn't working for me. Neither is the Yu Yu Hakusho boxes and styled editing. :shrug:

I first thought that guy on the rollercoaster had a bomb inside of his head and it blew up. The tear that hit Jeremy made me believe it was edited blood content of the dead stiff. The edits from that scene threw me off on the tear. :sweat:

Oh and Conan's voice is really anoying. I think it may grow on me after a couple of episodes, but he sounds like one of the bratty extra girls in a Tokyo Pop dub. :rolleyes:

I have high hopes for this series, but not high hopes in the sense that the dub will be flawless and AS will keep this show running longer than IY. I'll plan on getting the DVD's, but they better not pull this Funi Edit/Un-Cut crap again like Yu Yu.

The best thing about tonight's airing is that many IY fans are screaming on the as.com boards. That and people who have no experience with the show or anime whatsoever think it's stupid because he turned into a kid. Yet they forgot about all of the graphic content and witty humor they watched before.

Edit: I for one also loved Encyclopedia Brown and Sherlock Homes growing up.

[Perfect Cell]

I liked it... I think it would have been cooler if hed stay as an adult solving crimes and stuff.. instead of being turned into a kid... :p

[herbkir]

A good first episode. But now that Jimmy is a little kid, let's see how it hangs together. He was a likeable if self-absorbed teen who should have paid more attention to GF Rachel than to his detective fixation. Oh well. But the credits did call it Detective Conan and he's going to call himself Conan Edogawa while he's a little kid. I wonder if he'll grow up normally from this point.

Those pills that turned him into a little kid could, if perfected, make this unnamed criminal organization a vast fortune. But maybe they were unaware of this particular "side effect" of what they think is an undetectable poison.

With a fatal shooting and a beheading for openers, this isn't Toonami material even though the protagonist is young. Murder mysteries are a taste most people acquire in their late teens or early adult years.

I liked the OP/ED music. And the art style is nice, once you get used to the characters' big ears. I liked how eye expressions are used. For some reason the visual style reminded me of an updated Lupin.

Overall, a promising show. One I'll keep watching for a while. (^_*)

[Artimus Gigan]

Also I really find it strange that he wants to be the next SH when SH is a fictional character, not to mention lived a few centuries back...it's sorta like saying "I'm gonna be the next King Authur!" or somthing...

I think it would have been better if DC was a bit more related to Holmes and faced old nemesis' or somthing, time travel flux or whatever, because really it's as episodic as you can get, yeah some of the cases are mature themed, only it feels like a Scooby Doo episode minus the demasking...


oh and expect alot of people to act shocked when he figures out who did it...it almost always happens....

[Nin-Nin69]

oh and expect alot of people to act shocked when he figures out who did it...it almost always happens....The first one was obvious since the killer and his partner were both the same size. Although I though it was weard that the 2 guys that jumped Jimmy would be able to cut everyone on the rollercoaster for 2 hours straight before making the drop off. So did they have those special passes that put you in the front of the line? What was going with that? Not to mention they happened to be in the middle of that murder. That should've explained this comment a little more in detail.

[Master Moron]

Huh? This show is airing weekdays? Whatever happened to premieres on Saturday?

Anyway, what's this I hear about dub music? Is Funimation back to their old habits? Did they change all the music or just the opening and closing?

[Duke]

Also I really find it strange that he wants to be the next SH when SH is a fictional character, not to mention lived a few centuries back...it's sorta like saying "I'm gonna be the next King Authur!" or somthing...

I think it would have been better if DC was a bit more related to Holmes and faced old nemesis' or somthing, time travel flux or whatever,
Sherlock Holmes may be fictional, but he is often regarded as the greatest detective ever created. Jimmy explained all that in the episode. He wants to be just like Sherlock. Just because he's not real doesn't mean he can't be like him. If he went back in time, then there would be more focus on culture shock than the actual mysteries. Plus, it would probably ruin the aura around Sherlock that Jimmy has. I don't get why people don't like the fact that Jimmy wants to be like Sherlock...

because really it's as episodic as you can get, yeah some of the cases are mature themed, only it feels like a Scooby Doo episode minus the demasking...
It's a friggin murder mystery show. What do you want? It's supposed to be like Murder She Wrote, not like CSI.

[Zyzzybalubah]

This was a good first episode. I really hope that the content will stay mature if not get a little more mature. Aside from murder and minor swearings, I can overall see this being a Toonami show. I've seen murder issues, suicide, and other mature content discussed on Toonami, and if that block really wanted to take off and become this "teen block" everyone keeps referring to it as, they should let issues like that slide. Well anyway, if InuYasha is on Adult Swim, Detective Conan (refuse to call it Case Closed) should have the right as well. A mystery show is a nice variety touch to Adult Swim, very cool. Sadly, I don't see it lasting that long either, especially if Lupin didn't succeed. Oh well, I'm looking forward to more episodes.

[Tapout]

Well, I enjoyed it but Case Closed is doomed to failure on AS. Take away IY reruns plus Lupin-esque animation? Not gonna go over real well.

I fail to see the need to turn him into a kid, but it's only the first episode so I'll wait and see.

[Kaiser0120]

He's my review of The Big Shrink:


Oooook... I'm gonna be honest. I thought this was gonna be a train wreck. It sounded like FUNi was gonna bend this series over and make it, it's prison-- well, y'know-- about as hard as it did DragonBall Z/GT.

Luckily, they did MUCH better than I imagined. I watched the openings and endings of the original Japanese version and then compared them to the English versions. Not only did they keep the opening and ending music (Just re-done in English), they also kept music from the series. How am I so sure about them keeping the music for the music in the series? Easy. None of that sounded synthasized and I strongly doubt FUNi could make that good of BGM all on their own. Not to mention that the music sounded too old to have been newly produced.

Onto the series itself, of course.

I was never a fan of Sherlock Holmes or Encyclopedia Brown. Infact, I'm usually not one for mysteries and crime solving. But tonight... I was thuroughly entertained. It struck a cord of entertainment, suspense, a little bit of action, and a streak of comedy that only a classic anime could provide.

Jimmy's obsession with Sherlock Holmes is interesting to watch. He notes several of his cases and explores his Holme's techniques in detail that could only be matched by that of Sherlock, himself's, keen eye... It makes you appriciate the character in what he's trying to do. I'm also glad that he isn't a complete bumbler with an strong, underlying talent like he could have very well turned out to be. His technique and skill shine through quite glamerously and he shows off what a real hero, a real role model, of a story such as this should be... Someone who has worked hard enough to accomplish his goals. He's not perfect, of course. There are the flaws that make him identifiable with the viewer. He's a little forgetful in his daily life, he has girl problems, and he's a little bit of a pervert.

Even the music rings in with fine quality. While the BGM isn't clear and current, it offers wonderful atmosphere and helps the viewer match the flow and feeling of the events going on. I miss shows that often use jazzy and groovey music in their scenes. What we get here is nothing short of fantastic BGM.

The script is also on top. There are few inconsistancies and nothing ever sounds hokey or rushed. The voice acting also carries it well. It sounds like Jerry Jewell has been picked for the part of older Jimmy Kudo and he puts alot of life into the character. Sorry, Duke, that ain't Chuck Huber. As far as Conan goes, I'm not quite sure yet. Colleen Clinkenbeard takes the part of Rachel Moore and does alot with her character, playing out her emotions wisely and freshly. Oh, and Monica Rial? She'll be playing Amy later on. As for the other actors, I'm not quite sure. Couldn't identify alot of them, other than the girlfriend, who I believe was Merideth Mcoy, and the old man from the beginning, Brice Armstrong.

The cases and story aren't half bad either. The intricate killings leave you amazed and rolling the possibilities around in your head. Watching Jimmy solve them is highly entertaining as well, as he picks apart the devious acts with sharp accuracy. I couldn't wait to see how Jimmy would solve the second case, my own ideas popping up, one after another. Although it's a double edged sword, turning him into a kid. After a whole episode of seeing alot of grown up Jimmy, it'll be an odd change of pace to see and interact with Conan, his 'alter-ego.' It's sure to remain entertaining, if the large amount of episodes doesn't show enough. The fact that the show is still running in Japan must say something.

I also like the animation and character designs. Other than the HUGE FRIGGIN' EARS and slightly noticable mistakes in the art, the animation is fairly fluid for a show with such a large amount of episodes and that started in 1996. I can't wait for the next episode to see what happens.

I give this episode of Detective Conan: 4 1/2 out of 5 Chibi Sephiroths

Edit: Sorry, it's Jerry Jewell, not Jewel.

2nd Edit: Alright. Found out that they kept the first opening and ending, just re-did them in English. The opening that we saw tonight was, in-fact, correct. The original Japanese series ran it's opening during the opening part of the episode. A real problem it's gonna be, though, seeing as how they do the recap of the previous episode in Episode 2 during the beginning of the opening. It'll be interesting to see how Funi's gonna deal with it.

[Sampo]

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Detective Conan is pinned against the wall! Will the Inu Yasha fans kill him for booting the IY reruns off the air or will the ratings doom him to the fate Lupin had?

Not much I can say about this show. It's interesting... I guess I have to see a couple of more episodes to see if I enjoy it or despise it. I made a sigh when I saw those black boxes of doom appear. :( Also I guess that's an edit when they came out of the tunnel with the behead boyfriend. Wow that's alot of glare (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/PDVD_005.jpg) from the sun.

For anyone that is interested, here are screen caps (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/credits1.jpg) of the VA list shown (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/credits2.jpg) in the credits.

Uh question to anyone who is familiar with this show. What was this pic all about (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/PDVD_007.jpg) that was shown right before the credits rolled?

Thanks in advance.

[SamCurt]

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The Conan Doyle books is definitive a Funi edit. Originally the name of Conan Doyle was in katakana-- note, other books hasn't been renamed.


Uh question to anyone who is familiar with this show. What was this pic all about (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/PDVD_007.jpg) that was shown right before the credits rolled?

Thanks in advance.This is called "Next Conan's Hints" in Japan, which is right after the preview of the next ep there. As its name applies, it gives the hint of the case in the next episode. There are often funny conversations between characters here.


Also note that, DC-CC anime isn't at its best in the first 2 seasons. Artwork greatly imporved after the second season, when it was found the series wasn't as kiddly after all. To give a fact, Episodes 5 and 14 (CN count) was different from the original manga, the former just caused some logical goof in the later episides, but the latter caused some major embaressment for the animators, since how they edited ruined the mangaka's plan...

[fiveyearslater]

i kept expecting lupin to walk into the scene.

case closed is way below the expected quality level for AS. not that i'm a big inuyasha fan, but it was better than this...if i wanted to watch boring saturday morning kids' anime i'd watch DBZ. where's the wit? the irony? the only "adult" thing about this was the occaisional flash of underwear, but that's kind of pervy in a pathetic sort of way.

they could at least put it on after cowboy bebop so i can skip it and go to bed...:sad:

[Kaiser0120]

i kept expecting lupin to walk into the scene.

case closed is way below the expected quality level for AS. not that i'm a big inuyasha fan, but it was better than this...if i wanted to watch boring saturday morning kids' anime i'd watch DBZ. where's the wit? the irony? the only "adult" thing about this was the occaisional flash of underwear, but that's kind of pervy in a pathetic sort of way.

they could at least put it on after cowboy bebop so i can skip it and go to bed...:sad:
See, it's these kinds of people that there are too much of that's gonna make this show fail on AS. But, you know, I don't really want to make it a big deal anyway.

[silverwings]

I missed it last night because I thought it was at 12. So I just want to clarify the time:

This week CC airs at 12:30.
Next week (and rest of June), it airs at 12.

Is this right? Thanks.

[fiveyearslater]

damn...my evil plot exposed...:rolleyes:

i would love it if this show got cancelled. not that it's completely worthless, it's just that it's not quite adult enough for adult swim. compare it with cowboy bebop, trigun or big O...the content and art are total puff.

if you have a bock dedicated to adult material, it makes sense that you would want to fill it with adult material.

[VinceA]

From the sounds of things I'm gonna enjoy this show. I haven't seen the episode yet since I TiVo'd it last night but haven't watched it yet (gotta go to work to pay the bills). I enjoy crime shows and anime so this might be an OK combo.

[Cheesecake]

damn...my evil plot exposed...:rolleyes:

i would love it if this show got cancelled. not that it's completely worthless, it's just that it's not quite adult enough for adult swim. compare it with cowboy bebop, trigun or big O...the content and art are total puff.

if you have a bock dedicated to adult material, it makes sense that you would want to fill it with adult material.
Tell that to the guys at CN who are making the supposedly "teen" toonami block, filling a teen block with pre-teen intended cartoons like DBGT and Jackie chan adventures in prime time doesnt make a whole lotta sense either but none the less its happening.

Toonami and any other block on CN hates focusing on death especially a murder, so Case Closed wouldnt do particularly well on nay other block. Death can be OKs ometimes on Toonami but they hate focusing on it for any amount of time.

And to your other point, the adult swim warning sais "all out shows are intended for ages 18 and over"..... which is rubbish.

[fiveyearslater]

...which is why they should just get rid of it altogether. let some other channel pick it up, or let it blow away on the wind like the leaves of fall.

i thought the warnings said age 14?

[kaine23]

I missed it- Direct TV listed it at 12 am and not 12:30 X_X

[PearlRose86]

I missed it- Direct TV listed it at 12 am and not 12:30 X_X
I also missed it because I thought it was airing at 12 and not at 12:30... -_-

It sounded like I missed a good episode - I'll have to make sure to catch it at 12:30 tonight.

[blitzkrieg]

From the sounds of things I'm gonna enjoy this show. I haven't seen the episode yet since I TiVo'd it last night but haven't watched it yet (gotta go to work to pay the bills). I enjoy crime shows and anime so this might be an OK combo.

I hope you manually set your TiVo to record it because if your TiVo program guide is anything like my DirecTivo it'll have recorded two episodes of ATHF.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

i kept expecting lupin to walk into the scene.That would have been :cool:

case closed is way below the expected quality level for AS. not that i'm a big inuyasha fan, but it was better than this...if i wanted to watch boring saturday morning kids' anime i'd watch DBZ. where's the wit? the irony? the only "adult" thing about this was the occaisional flash of underwearThat's not "adult" Did you watch the episode? How about the whole murder mystery thing. Maybe it's just me but I don't see how that's not "adult"


I highly enjoyed the episode not sure if I'm going to enjoy his kid voice though.

[fiveyearslater]

That's not "adult" Did you watch the episode? How about the whole murder mystery thing. Maybe it's just me but I don't see how that's not "adult"

murder mystery in and of itself is an adult theme, however the handling of said theme was such that it came off rather juvenile. it's encyclopedia brown style crime-solving, which works fine for the age level at which encyclopedia brown is aimed, not so much for adults. the story line is limp and easy primarily because the writer(s) use the main character's "amazing" skills of perception as a deus ex machina: they set up some god awful contrived murder scene then this guy solves the case by noticing things that are completely outlandish and unbelievable. they're trying to be sherlock, but they aren't smart enough to pull it off convincingly. if it were on toonami, i'd accept it because kids can't tell the difference.

[Sketch]

Well I rather enjoyed it. I don't know if it'll stay this good, but if it's so popular in Japan I imagine it's still got some spark left and the whole teen in a kids body thing will be some good comedy relief... I wonder if he'll try to sneak a look at Rachel's panties when he's a little kid? Boy that wouldn't fly on general CN.

I hope it gets a decent responce from the casual and hardcore viewers of ASA alike but I don't think it's gonna last... It'll probably air it's first batch of episodes (30 something, they wont air all 52 apparently) rerun once or twice and then get the boot. Similar to YYH.

The voice wasn't too bad. I heard Eric Vale as a minor character and I'm not suprised. Who's the ADR director? I missed that in the credits. I was suprised Chuck Huber didn't sound like Hiei. Makes me believe he could work as Sasuke but not as well as Kirby Morrow.

[Andrew]

I saw Monica Rial in the credits, doesn't she usually do ADV stuff?Yes, and she won't be the only ADV VA in this show, either. Brett Weaver mentioned at JACON that he did some work on Case Closed, too. Some minor villain later on.

[Sketch]

More ADV eh? I'm gonna love it if they get Spike Spencer to do some work for them some day. Especially if they have him play a character that screams a lot.

[Luna]

I though the show was OK....I'd have to see more to get a real opinion of it.....the voices were good,esp. Jerry Jewell(Kyo from Fruits Basket) as Jimmy....

[Sketch]

That was Jerry Jewel? I thought it was Chuck Huber.

Does anyone clearly know if the BG music was replaced? It seemd to fit pretty well and though Matt's argument is it wouldn't sound right if it was the original... Dragonball is much older and it retained it's original music.

[Killtacular]

WTF is with these comparisons to Lupin?!

How about comparisons to Yu Yu Hakusho, since CONAN AND YYH ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE SAME FARKING DECADE?! Their production values are very similar, except that TMS is much better at character animation, as anybody who's watched other TMS shows would know. The music is also much better than YYH's.

Where does the Lupin comparison come in? The music isn't dated, just muffled. The artwork isn't 70s style or faded or in need of remastering, it looks just fine, and would fit alongside any other anime out there.

You just aren't used to seeing CEL ANIMATION, and after watching so many animes with digital ink and paint, you see any hand-drawn show as being "old like Lupin". Give me a break.

the only "adult" thing about this was the occaisional flash of underwear
Great, another person who thinks "adult" means violence and sex.

[Sketch]

They must watch FOX.

[Beat]

I'd be lying if I called Detective Conan (O Brien) a bad show.

But I'd also be lying if I said it was a good fit for Adult Swim.

[Killtacular]

But I'd also be lying if I said it was a good fit for Adult Swim.
Oh, right. Because the only anime that fit on Adult Swim anymore involve whiny emo characters with bishounen (or not; WHR) designs that manage to make a 5 minute script last 23 minutes.

Sorry for forgetting.

[herbkir]

The thing I'm going to watch for is whether the viewers get a fair chance to solve the mystery before Conan does. Any good mystery has its red herrings, but also gives the real clues for solving the case. When Conan points them out as he names the perpetrator, the best reaction is "Of course! Obvious! I should have seen that!"

That's where really careful editing comes in. They'd better not have changed something that's actually an important clue, or viewers won't have a fair chance at a solution. Like the girl's tear in the beheading case. I wasn't sure if it was a tear or edited blood spatter. The label on the pill bottle was a significant clue but the lettering was hard to make out.

Another problem may be visual idiom. Those round things in the Ep. 1 beheading case may have been obvious pearls to a Japanese viewer but I wasn't sure if they were pills or marbles or what.

Judging from the reactions here, "Case/Conan" is going to be one of those "love it or hate it" anime with few being neutral toward it. (^_*)

[Rouge12]

Also I guess that's an edit when they came out of the tunnel with the behead boyfriend. Wow that's alot of glare (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/PDVD_005.jpg) from the sun. Someone on the AS boards said that it wasn't an edit.

[Prism]

Case Closed is as good as I thought it was going to be. Why some people think that the animation is not up to Adult Swim standards is beyond me, considering that most of the comedy series are Flash animated or similar. Maybe it's because it's not shadowed everywhere or doesn't have tons of CGI. It's basically an episodic series with an ongoing continuity. The reason he was turned into a preteen and how he deals with it is the plot in CC/DC. Fact is, it's fresh and new to me and so far I like it.

[VinceA]

I hope you manually set your TiVo to record it because if your TiVo program guide is anything like my DirecTivo it'll have recorded two episodes of ATHF.I told it to record all episodes (as opposed to my usual "First Run Only") of Inu Yasha (which is what the guide showed at 12:30) and all episodes of Case Closed so I should be OK

[Legato B]

Y'know, this show's not half bad. Sure, it is a detective anime with dramatic confrontations and sometimes ridiculous cases/solutions, but it's fun to watch. I really wish it wasn't on Adult Swim, though.

Wait, wait, listen to me for a second.

This show really seems like the kind of thing that could pull in a wide audience -- especially folks who enjoy a decent mystery story. This is the sort of thing that really should be airing in prime-time so that it would get a fair shake. There's no way in hell this show is going to last long on Adult Swim, especially not when it's premiering at 12:30am. And it's a god-damn shame.

[Duke]

In truth, ASA is really the only place it could go on CN, unless parents are suddenly OK with murder mysteries on CN Primetime (Never mind that little kids play Clue all the time and read Sherlock Holmes). Toonami wouldn't fit because it's too slow and doesn't even have real action in it. People were complaining that .hack//SIGN was on Toonami, yet they think Detective Conan would be a good fit, OK...

murder mystery in and of itself is an adult theme, however the handling of said theme was such that it came off rather juvenile. it's encyclopedia brown style crime-solving, which works fine for the age level at which encyclopedia brown is aimed, not so much for adults. the story line is limp and easy primarily because the writer(s) use the main character's "amazing" skills of perception as a deus ex machina: they set up some god awful contrived murder scene then this guy solves the case by noticing things that are completely outlandish and unbelievable. they're trying to be sherlock, but they aren't smart enough to pull it off convincingly. if it were on toonami, i'd accept it because kids can't tell the difference.
1) It's more Sherlock-Holmes-style, with a little EB thrown in, but the majority is SH.

2) How does it come off at juvenile? He's a normal teen except that he's a whiz when it comes to detective work. The murder mysteries are handled similar to detective stories from the 80's/early 90's, and Sherlock Holmes stories. FYI, SH may appeal to kids, but he ain't juvenile.

3) Tell me, how would YOU have had the death of the guy played out? Remember, it's gotta be the jealous gymnast in the front seat and she has to make it look like it's the girlfriend sitting next to him. One thing I liked was that they initially made it seem like the guys in black were the culprits.

[Cheesecake]

Maybe Its being put on Adult swim to get some adult viewers watching it when it gets moved to Toonami, do boost ratings from both sides of the age barriers? kids cant watch adult swim easily but adults can easily watch toonami.

[Sketch]

Exactly! I have to get up at 6:20 on weekdays and watching something that ends at 12:30 is one thing (WHR in February), I can manage that and still not fall asleep in class but watching something from 12:30 to 1AM is a whole different story. Some how that 30 minute difference means all the difference.

Having the only premiere on the block be on so late is an awful shame. It was one thing to have Blue Gender after FLCL since that was two premieres in a row but Conan just being in the middle and on so late is just a big pain. Putting it at Midnight (not pre-empting ATHF just moving it to another time replacing either Family Guy or Futurama) or even to the top of the block would easily help this poor show gain the audience it deserves rather than just being the bain of Inuyasha fans for replacing Inuyasha reruns (what's the big deal people they're just reruns and it's only for a month... sigh...).

That being said I tried a different method of viewing the show. I took a nap at 10PM and set my alarm for Midnight (a little ATHF humor would be needed to wake me up in case Conan was a snore) but when my alarm went off I got up turned it off and fell back to sleep. Ironically I woke up for no apparent reason at 3:30 and after thinking about it for a second I realized that I could watch the encore (not that it would help the ratings) so I went downstairs and watch it (I missed the first 5 minutes but luckily I taped it and watch that part in the morning while I ate breakfast). I've been wating a long time to see this show so I didn't want to wait until today because I don't have much time on Tuesdays to watch anything and it woudln't be before 4:30PM if I did have time. I don't plan on pulling that stunt again... I'll just tape it until I don't have classes anymore and I'll either continue to tape it or watch it live durring the summer. But ya know... 12:30 is late and I don't like waiting that long to watch something so this is gonna get old fast.

[Sketch]

Maybe Its being put on Adult swim to get some adult viewers watching it when it gets moved to Toonami, do boost ratings from both sides of the age barriers? kids cant watch adult swim easily but adults can easily watch toonami.
Wow... watching this show once a week would be painful. Even if they only have 31 episodes of it. It could work though, they are episodic. The biggest issue is there is no space for another show on Toonami and they aren't even airing Kenshin, Cyborg 009, .hack//SIGN (not that I expected them to anyway), or Transformers.

[Rouge12]

Wow... watching this show once a week would be painful. Even if they only have 31 episodes of it.
?
I thought CN had 50 episodes. They list 40 in their episode guide.

[Killtacular]

They have more than 31 episodes of it. It's just that 31 episodes are all they've listed as going to air so far, which usually, if not definitely, means Conan will take a break after episode 31 and then more new episodes will air a few months from now (or never, depending).

EDIT: Okay, now they added 9 more episodes. I guess that makes more sense. 31 episodes means the run stops jarringly on a Wednesday. 40 episodes means 10 solid weeks of premieres. Then, like Inuyasha when it went on hiatus back around episode 34, CN can choose to order more episodes for the next batch.

[Rouge12]

10 weeks of premeires sounds great. The end of July is close to when I start going back to school again, so it will be perfect if they actually show 10 weeks worth.

[Duke]

Exactly! I have to get up at 6:20 on weekdays and watching something that ends at 12:30 is one thing (WHR in February), I can manage that and still not fall asleep in class but watching something from 12:30 to 1AM is a whole different story. Some how that 30 minute difference means all the difference.
Pfft. Lightweight. I got, on average, 4-5 hours of sleep all through high school (went to bed around 1AM or so, woke up at 5:30AM), and I made it just fine. You need the practice when you get out in the real working world anyway. Young whippersnapper...

[Sketch]

They have 52. Nice to see they upped the count on the episodes. Previously they only had 31 listed. This means 10 weeks of premieres. Right on!

[Sketch]

Pfft. Lightweight. I got, on average, 4-5 hours of sleep all through high school (went to bed around 1AM or so, woke up at 5:30AM), and I made it just fine. You need the practice when you get out in the real working world anyway. Young whippersnapper...
I'm 19 Duke...

I can function on less sleep than I get but I fall sleep in my boring college classes when I do and that's not a good thing to do... you get behind in college and then you're screwed. I had to get up at 5:30 for work on a Saturday. That sucked big time... but I've only done it once so far.

I think I need more exercise, that would keep me awake and then I could manage staying up later without having to sleep in. I really am a night person... I'm just not a morning person the next day. :anime:

[Sanwich]

Okay, well. I must admit, when that music came on at the beginning, I was a tad puzzled... At first, I thought it was going to be the opening (for the rest of the series or whatnot), but then I realized the visual stuff was moving a little too slow to provide any sort of quick introduction. So. I'm assuming this was just sort of an intro to the first episode, though I'm wondering what the rest of the series will have, then. But anyway, back to the point - I wasn't too crazy about that music, but once the opening scenes were over I really started getting into the show. n_n;

I'll also note that I too was originally wondering why exactly this show was on AS, not because of any lack of violence, but because the show just sort of 'feels' different from the other stuff on the block. After watching the entire episode though, I'd argue that AS is pretty much the only place it could belong, even if it's sort of the 'black sheep' among the other series.

The only thing that sort of jarred me was the pace at which the mysteries were solved... I mean, two complete murders wrapped up in less than 30 minutes? Though I'm sure I'll get used to it as I continue watching.

All in all though, good show. Too bad the average viewer probably won't think so. :/

Oh, and I guess I'm the only Inuyasha fan on the planet who doesn't care that the reruns have been given a break. I mean, yeesh... If I have the need to watch an episode, I'll bring out my friggin' DVDs. c_c

[herbkir]

I can see it now: AS runs through their current inventory of CC, puts show on hiatus while they review its ratings performance. Meanwhile, deeply-involved fanbase floods AS boards with pleas for more new episodes. Inuyasha redux. (^_*)

[limekitten]

What amuses me the most is how so many people have only seen one ep...but yet they know EXACTLY what this 300+ series is going to be all about.

Give it a chance for pete's sake! I'm enjoying it, it's a little refreshing to have an anime on tv that doesn't deal with giant robots, space opera or the supernatural. (mind you I LOVE all three of those ^_^)

But just the fact that the series is STILL popular and airing in Japan, as well as the most recent movie got bumped from it's top spot on their boxoffice lists only a few weeks ago, should say something.

I know I'm going to keep watching. ^_^

and...
I can see it now: AS runs through their current inventory of CC, puts show on hiatus while they review its ratings performance. Meanwhile, deeply-involved fanbase floods AS boards with pleas for more new episodes. Inuyasha redux. (^_*)
heeheehee ^_~

[Mugen]

They have more than 31 episodes of it. It's just that 31 episodes are all they've listed as going to air so far, which usually, if not definitely, means Conan will take a break after episode 31 and then more new episodes will air a few months from now (or never, depending).

EDIT: Okay, now they added 9 more episodes. I guess that makes more sense. 31 episodes means the run stops jarringly on a Wednesday. 40 episodes means 10 solid weeks of premieres. Then, like Inuyasha when it went on hiatus back around episode 34, CN can choose to order more episodes for the next batch.
Did you like the episode?

[Killtacular]

Did you like the episode?
Yes, because it had a story, and things happened, which other animes on Adult Swim do not have or do.

[Nin-Nin69]

The thing I'm going to watch for is whether the viewers get a fair chance to solve the mystery before Conan does. Any good mystery has its red herrings, but also gives the real clues for solving the case. When Conan points them out as he names the perpetrator, the best reaction is "Of course! Obvious! I should have seen that!"

That's where really careful editing comes in. They'd better not have changed something that's actually an important clue, or viewers won't have a fair chance at a solution. Like the girl's tear in the beheading case. I wasn't sure if it was a tear or edited blood spatter. The label on the pill bottle was a significant clue but the lettering was hard to make out.

Another problem may be visual idiom. Those round things in the Ep. 1 beheading case may have been obvious pearls to a Japanese viewer but I wasn't sure if they were pills or marbles or what.

Judging from the reactions here, "Case/Conan" is going to be one of those "love it or hate it" anime with few being neutral toward it. (^_*)
You're not alone. I felt the same about that situation. Funi needs to handle these edits better. I was completly thrown off until Conan explained how she did it. However I noticed he never explained how the bloody knife got in the purse all wrapped up. Did she just hold it up against him as he blead to death? Was it ketchup? Explanation please.

WTF is with these comparisons to Lupin?!

How about comparisons to Yu Yu Hakusho, since CONAN AND YYH ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE SAME FARKING DECADE?! Their production values are very similar, except that TMS is much better at character animation, as anybody who's watched other TMS shows would know. The music is also much better than YYH's.

Where does the Lupin comparison come in? The music isn't dated, just muffled. The artwork isn't 70s style or faded or in need of remastering, it looks just fine, and would fit alongside any other anime out there.

You just aren't used to seeing CEL ANIMATION, and after watching so many animes with digital ink and paint, you see any hand-drawn show as being "old like Lupin". Give me a break.
Thank you for pointing that out. Those coments made no sense whatsoever.

Pfft. Lightweight. I got, on average, 4-5 hours of sleep all through high school (went to bed around 1AM or so, woke up at 5:30AM), and I made it just fine. You need the practice when you get out in the real working world anyway. Young whippersnapper...
Same here. In bed by 2AM, up by 7AM. You can sleep all you want when you're dead. :p

[Sketch]

That was a good line.

And who was complaining that .hack//SIGN was on Toonami? I know I wasn't. I was complaining that it always has a crappy time slot.

[Mysteryinfoman]

It's good to hear more than a few people like the first episode of DC. hopefully it'll be like that for the show cause it's pretty good imo. I wonder if AS will show the movies? Sort of doubt it though.

[Chad Bonin]

I have a feeling that this is gonna bomb like Lupin.

Shame, 'cause I enjoyed it. Didn't seem "adult", even when it came to the murder.

[Beat]

I have a feeling that this is gonna bomb like Lupin.





Shame, 'cause I enjoyed it. Didn't seem "adult", even when it came to the murder.
It has the same problems that Lupin did.

1. Major lack of promotion.

2. It's different from the usual horde of shounen angst that has come to define Adult Swim's anime.

Note, Conan and Lupin are great shows. But WS seems to be working against them.

[Chad Bonin]

... and that's what I'm saying. Lupin was a classic (even reversioned), Case Closed seems fun... and it's gonna be gone in a while.

Though, with the bulk of episodes, I could see CN shoving this elsewhere to just be airing it, like once a week on AS or Toonami (doesn't matter if it fits, CN still can shove it there). But then again... Kenshin's got roughly 100 episodes and left after SVES unplugged.

[RedTail]

Based on the premise, I didn't think this would be any good. First episode turned out to be okay though. After being disappointed through the first half, the rollercoaster scene got my interested again and Jimmy's explanation of how the murder was committed gave me high hopes. Then he got jumped and turned into a kid... :sad: I'll stick with it a while longer.

[Chad Bonin]

The first Case Closed Newsletter is up... http://www1.caseclosed.com/newsletters/issue_01/issue_01.htm

Notice the two Cartoon Network logos, but only one mention of Adult Swim. Maybe FUNi's not too happy about it being on ASA... [/devil's advocate]

[MrBananagrabber]

I enjoyed the show last night. It's a nice change from the other shows on Adult Swim. Though I still hate Funimations Giant Black Boxes, at least they weren't all over the place.

I'm interested to see where the show goes now that the premise is going to be picking up. I just wish this was on earlier.

I would have never, ever spent 25 bucks for a DVD of this, so I'm glad I got to see it for free. I'll definitely be keeping up with this one.

[fearlessleader7]

I thought this was a good episode. But...the entire time I kept thinking three things: 1) why does Jimmy remind me of Yuusuke so much?! 2) Their ears are huge...ok...but where's the bottom of their mouths?! 3) black boxes...YYH!

So...this show felt very much like YYH to me (not Lupin, because I've never seen Lupin)...but I don't think I'll like it as much as YYH (YYH is my favorite anime) because the main character turns into a kid...I mean, that's why I don't like DB or DBGT as much as DBZ...Goku is a kid.

But with that said, I'll give it a chance. I like mystery shows, and if they can make the episodes with him as a kid as good as this one, where he's a teen, I'll like it.

I'll give it an A.

[Aquadementia]

I'm still on the fence, maybe because we haven't seen much of him as a kid yet.

I like the animation, it's not knocking my socks off and I find myself looking at the ears, but over all good.
I liked the idea of music and murder in the opening. It's not something we've seen a million times before.
It's the mysteries that will make it or break it. I'm not huge fan anymore of Holmes type deduction. You get one tiny detail wrong and it all blows-up. And it makes the criminals out to be way too smart. Killing someone on a roller coaster? How many things can go wrong with that plan? I'm hoping there are some involving super science like what shrunk him.

Part of the fun of mystery stories is picking out the flaws.
Roller coaster murder. Just getting on the same ride and have everyone sit in the right place. Then even if everything did go right there are going to be pearls every where in the car.
Poisoning Jimmy. Even if the poison did kill him without leaving a trace, he would still have a big bump on the back of his head. And they should have noticed he was at the park with a girl that could have been nearby or knew where he was going.

[Anime Guy]

I'm liking it. The animation is just about the same as Hakusho's, but it did remind me of Lupin as well. Maybe just the overall light tone in the non-murder scenes, like when Jimmy's head was under Rachel's blouse, funny stuff. I think AS needed something of lighter tone to be shown on weeknights, or maybe I'm just bored with the serious anime that AS has had running constantly for a while now.

[True Noir]

Oh man! I forgot that DC was gonna premiere this week. I missed it but from what I have read so far it looks like its not a big deal.

[lostrune]

1. Heh, I knew this would be controversial, not only the type of show (mystery) but also the protagonist kids (yes, plural). And the "omake" can be a bit kiddie ("identifying the hint"). So I was having a laugh thinking how "adult" some people may think their ASA to be. :D

2. Ah, those big ears. How could I forget? :p

3. At least they kept the 2 panty scenes. :anime: :sweat:
(Previously, in Yu Yu Hakusho on AS, FUNi didn't keep Yusuke's peek on Keiko.)

4. Don't worry - kid Conan will have an excuse to be at the crime scenes.

5. And FUNi has to call him Conan Edogawa, unless they change the whole visual reason he chose that name.

6. Oh yeah, Colleen Clinkenbeard as Rachel and Monica Rial as Amy have an interview can be read here ('http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature.php?id=183'). :)

7. I don't have the discipline, that's why I don't do this, but it seems nobody bothered to do it yet, so here's a skim-thru of the preliminary (but don't expect it to be more than that) edit list: :sweat:

a. I'll ignore the dialogue alterations (as opposed to adaptations) -since they're mostly inconsequential anyways- except maybe for some notable ones. :p

b. The OP is the same as the original premiere, except for the English song. The true OP didn't start till the next ep, obviously to keep the surprise (as some already pointed out). The rest of the BGM seems to have been kept as well.

c. In the original, it's more emphasized that the banker and the killer are best friends (and thus trusted each other's words), with the trouble about possibly owing money.

d. Originally, the doctor's hovercraft was accidentally turned on, not intentional. The doctor is that goofy. :D

e. Originally, Jimmy's exploits were praised more gushingly, e.g. "police savior," the girls saying they'll write him a loveletter, etc. :rolleyes:

f. Originally, Ran/Rachel didn't sound that "desperate," e.g. she merely tells Jimmy to just pick one (girlfriend) from those many fan loveletters. :o

g. Like I said, kept the panty scene (as well as the other gymnast one later). :anime:

h. Believe it or not, originally Jimmy sounded even more geeky (a lot) about Sherlocke (if that is even possible). :sweat:

i. When Rachel told off Jimmy that his mystery talk is getting old, originally she was saying how Jimmy could become a good detective if he couldn't even tell that she was just play-acting about being upset. :D

j. I think the darkened (be)head(ed) landing near the kids' feet along the track was cropped out. :shrug:

k. Believe it or not, the flashing light signifying the blood gushing out is not an edit. Except there were extra scenes to make that sequence a bit longer in the original - yeah, making the flashing light look doubly stupid. :p

l. Originally, the commercial break was just after Jimmy pointed to reveal who the killer was, without showing the killer yet (to build suspense thru the break, y'see).

m. Originally, more emphasis that a woman doesn't have the strength to behead with a knife (but that's un-PC, so dub lessened the emphasis). :p

n. I don't remember a piano wire being explicitly mentioned in the original (at first I thought it was any rope), so at least the dub made it more sensible here, with the wire hidden thru the long strand of pearls.

o. Originally, the reason the dark dudes gave Jimmy the poison instead of shooting him was because there were a lot of cops around due to the murder (vs. "leaving a bullet trail") - the gun blast sound will attract them.

p. Originally, the ED theme came right after Jimmy was "dying." The rest of the ep then came after the ED theme, just before the preview.


It was interesting to see the little hints of some chemistry between Jimmy and Rachel at various moments in the episode, too bad the whole shrinking incident at the end will probably quash those feelings till Jimmy returns to his normal size.

Oh don't worry - you'll find out about her very soon enough. :D


I'm surprised just seeing an exchange of money for some film warranted Jimmy almost losing his life, but at least it was only the shrinking pill.

Company racketeering (or "sokoiya" IIRC) is still big business in Japan's secretive industries. It was 100 million yen ($1 million) for the incriminating film. And it was a poison pill, just not tested on humans yet (ergo the unexpected effect).


Although I though it was weard that the 2 guys that jumped Jimmy would be able to cut everyone on the rollercoaster for 2 hours straight before making the drop off. So did they have those special passes that put you in the front of the line? What was going with that? Not to mention they happened to be in the middle of that murder. That should've explained this comment a little more in detail.

That was just to make the target think they know everything that he came alone. They did go to the rollercoaster to watch him from there, but they got delayed to the meeting a couple of hours due to the murder. But why tell the target that? Just tell the target that they've been watching all the time. Make the target feel they know everything. Simple psychology.


I fail to see the need to turn him into a kid, but it's only the first episode so I'll wait and see.

They'll be some hijinks trying to solve mysteries with the disadvantages (as well as advanges) of being treated as a normal kid, all the while trying to hide his secret (and there are obvious reasons to remain a secret - ya guys can probably guess some already), especially from Rachel who will be more closeby than you think. :D

(Jimmy will re-appear... sorta... from time to time. ;) )

[Sketch]

Thanks for the info. I knew that was the orignial BG. Take that Mr. Wilson!

[Temple Fugate]

The first episode was very good. But then they flush the series down the crapper by changing him into a kid. I knew what was going to happen going into it, and the entire time I'm looking at this cool teen kid solving crimes and thinking "There's only ONE EPISODE with him??? [expletive deleted]!"

The voice acting was oddly well-done, for FUNimation. Sure some of the voices were lame, but many of them had a real natural feeling to them. I liked Conan's teen voice. I'm gonna give Kid Conan one episode to prove himself. If the switching between voices gag is happening, this could be an unpleasant experience.

Detective Conan episode 1 (of 362 quintillion) "The Big Shrink" A-
At least Kindaichi and Q Class are still teenagers.

[Artimus Gigan]

Pfft. Lightweight. I got, on average, 4-5 hours of sleep all through high school (went to bed around 1AM or so, woke up at 5:30AM), and I made it just fine. You need the practice when you get out in the real working world anyway. Young whippersnapper...
I can go fully functioning without sleep for a few days...

[Artimus Gigan]

It's a friggin murder mystery show. What do you want? It's supposed to be like Murder She Wrote, not like CSI.
But alot of the cases have a tendency to "repeat" only in slightly different settings, there are quite a few good ones however, but considering the sheer number of episodes....it gets predictable often enough....

and what's CSI?

[Pepperidge]

I have total faith that FUNimation will handle this series with respect. I still think that TMS forced the name changes on them, and I will defend them on that account to my grave.

Black boxes?

[Swordfish_II]

Black boxes?
When a character appeared on-screen for the first time, a black-box with their name appeared twoard the bottom of the screen.

[Sampo]

*snip a whole bunch of good stuff*


Dang, awesome post. Thanks for the info!


...
and what's CSI?
It's a popular detective/crime scene investigation show that airs on CBS. CSI. (http://www.cbs.com/primetime/csi/main.shtml)

I have total faith that FUNimation will handle this series with respect. I still think that TMS forced the name changes on them, and I will defend them on that account to my grave.

Black boxes?
This is an example of The Black Boxes of Doom (tm). (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/rachel.jpg)


Later.

[MrBananagrabber]

This is an example of The Black Boxes of Doom (tm). (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/rachel.jpg)

I never understood the logic behind those. Are subtitles that horrible? They'd certainly look less out of place.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

lostrune thanks for all the info I was wondering what happened to the guys head.

Am I the only one who doesn't mind the black boxes?

[blitzkrieg]

I never understood the logic behind those. Are subtitles that horrible? They'd certainly look less out of place.

I think the logic is "Hrm, probably over 90% of the people watching this show can't read Japanese, so maybe we should do something so that they understand what is said there." Though that's just a shot in the dark.

[Dark Soul]

Lets see what happens with Cased closed. If its good its good bad its bad or it should be moved to toonami

[Tienshin]

Am I the only one who doesn't mind the black boxes?

They don't bother me when used in YYH and they don't bother me when used in Case Closed.

[PaQ]

Great post lostrune :)

They don't bother me when used in YYH and they don't bother me when used in Case Closed.I feel the same. I think it makes the look a bit different, and it's something I remember about the anime. Plus, totally helps me remember the names. :sweat:



I loved the flashing light where the guy's head used to be.. It made it pretty noticeable, that something was missing. :D

Can't wait for tonight's episode.

[MrBananagrabber]

I think the logic is "Hrm, probably over 90% of the people watching this show can't read Japanese, so maybe we should do something so that they understand what is said there." Though that's just a shot in the dark.
I'm not saying that there shouldn't be any subtitles for the names. I'm saying that a large black box which looks really awkward in the center of the screen isn't the best way to do it, in my opinion.

[blitzkrieg]

I don't see how it's really that much awkard than the original Japanese text appearing in the middle of the screen. The choice to not use subtitles could be as simple as there not being enough room underneath the original Japanese text to make it comfortably readable.

I forget, does Funi even subtitle the text on their subtitled versions of shows?

[Botman]

They'll be some hijinks trying to solve mysteries with the disadvantages (as well as advanges) of being treated as a normal kid, all the while trying to hide his secret.That's what I'm afraid of. I enjoyed the roller coaster mystery, and I hope the series has more of that kind of suspense.

As long as the series still remains focused on the mystery solving, and not on the "hijinks", I should be fine with his new stature.

[EightOh]

Eww. WHY did Dr. Somethingorother tell Jimmy about the hairy mole on his butt?

[Sketch]

Because this is Adult Swim.

[Botman]

Ok, there's another thing that I was afraid of. Rachel's dad isn't going to take all the credit for the cases, is he?

If he is, then it's just as I predicted...

Jimmy/Conan=Penny

Richard (Rachel's Dad)=Gadget

[livingfruitvirus]

http://www.itty-bitties.com/macros/onetruthprevails.gif

[RedTail]

So much better than yesterday! All doubts I had about this show have disapeared and Detective Moore is awesome!

[EightOh]

This looks like it's going to be a really fun little show.

Of course, it'll probably be universally loathed, regardless. We ASA viewers are apparently a rather finicky group.

[SirLemming]

I'm already seeing how shrinking Jimmy makes things interesting. If everyone thinks he's just some random kid, he'll have to be creative when it comes to solving cases, since he can't do it directly. At least not for now.

Elementary school... man, that stinks.

Way to get the scoop on the girl he likes...


The show is already getting even more entertaining, although despite all its entertainment I'm certain most of the target demographic just won't "get it". And certainly this particular episode had nothing explicitly "adult" about it, so I'm sure it'll be getting a lot of flak for that... but it's only the second episode. And it's still very adult in tone. I mean, go and WATCH a kids' show one of these days. It's really nothing like this.
A middle ground would be nice, but we all know that's not going to happen for a while, if ever. So for now, it stays on Adult Swim. Perhaps it's not the best fit, but heck, it's a good show and I'm glad it's here.

[Chad Bonin]

Wait wait wait....

I just finished watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force, an Adult Swim show.
And now Cowboy Bebop, an Adult Swim show, is starting.

... so what block was that last half hour a part of? SVES?

Seriously, I'm enjoying the show, but... I thought it was Adult Swim.

[blitzkrieg]

Personally I found tonight's episode to be weaker than yesterday's but it's not really becuase of the fact he's a kid now, a concept a lot of people seemingly had problems with. Tonight got settled with a lot of establishing of the status quo something that hampers most pilot episodes and in this case hampers the second episode of the series.

It wasn't a horrible episode and I have no doubts that with a good portion of the foundation layed that things will pick up.

P.S. I'm going love all the people that decide that CC is even less adult because of the lack of sex and violence in tonight's episode.

[William C. Maune]

Seriously, I'm enjoying the show, but... I thought it was Adult Swim.

What does the show need for you to consider it Adult?

[Tienshin]

Wait wait wait....

I just finished watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force, an Adult Swim show.
And now Cowboy Bebop, an Adult Swim show, is starting.

... so what block was that last half hour a part of? SVES?

Seriously, I'm enjoying the show, but... I thought it was Adult Swim.

What are you talking about?

[Killtacular]

What does the show need for you to consider it Adult?
I bet IIIIIIIIII knoooooooow!! (wiggling fingers)

[Chad Bonin]

That was, like, Inspector Gadget-style. A girl fakes being kidnapped, only to be really kidnapped.

I'm not a writer, well... a writer for this show, so I can't think of what WOULD make it adult... but maybe it was just an "off" episode. I could have seen that episode on Miguzi or SVES, it seems.

[Anime Freak]

Errr,well i'm not going to say that Conan isn't adult enough for Adult Swim, but can someone at least tell me some "adultish" things about tonight's eppy? Cuz I didn't see any. Unless you count those cans as beer cans maybe?

[TnAdct1]

Ok, there's another thing that I was afraid of. Rachel's dad isn't going to take all the credit for the cases, is he?

If he is, then it's just as I predicted...

Jimmy/Conan=Penny

Richard (Rachel's Dad)=GadgetThere's most likely going to be three ways that Conan will reveal the crime's solution:

1. As hinted in the preview for the next episode, we will use Richard to explain the solution. This will be done by two things that will be introduced in the next episode: a dart that can knock out Richard temporarly and a voice changer that Conan has in his bowtie (so that way, while Richard is unconscious, he can simply hide behind something and explain the solution in Richard's voice).
2. Later in the series, he will befriend three kids and they will form a detectives club. It's likely that this group will end up solving of the mysteries that appear in the episodes.
3. In the first film, Conan uses the voice changer to explain the solution, only this time he sounds like his older self, Jimmy (Shinichi for those Japanese purists).

BTW: Is that "next episode clue" at the end of tonight's episode suppose to be the omake?

BTW 2: For anyone in the Durham area this weekend: the original Japanese voice of Richard/Kogoro, Akira Kamiya, will be attending Animazement again this year. It's worth checking out since I met him two years ago (and got one of my Urusei Yatsura DVD's autographed by him).

[Rouge12]

Adult or not, it really doesn't matter to me, as long as the show is on and I can watch it. The show is adult enough for me, though.

[Killtacular]

That was, like, Inspector Gadget-style. A girl fakes being kidnapped, only to be really kidnapped.

I'm not a writer, well... a writer for this show, so I can't think of what WOULD make it adult... but maybe it was just an "off" episode. I could have seen that episode on Miguzi or SVES, it seems.
Hm.

Cowboy Bebop episode 2 is about a lost dog that Spike chases around. That's not adult.

Therefore, Cowboy Bebop is not adult.

Infallible logic.

[Chad Bonin]

I said there's the possibility that it was an "off" episode, and I'm gonna watch the rest, so if it actually gets adult, then I'll say it's an Adult Swim show. Right now, it's a show on Adult Swim.

[livingfruitvirus]

We'll get a lot of "this show isn't adult enough" comments for a while until it gets removed, then people will ***** and moan about how Adult Swim shouldn't have kicked it off.

EDIT - sorry, Rogue. I quoted the wrong person.

[Killtacular]

I said there's the possibility that it was an "off" episode, and I'm gonna watch the rest, so if it actually gets adult, then I'll say it's an Adult Swim show. Right now, it's a show on Adult Swim.
And that's different from every other 2003-2004 anime on Adult Swim.. how?

[Anime Freak]

Now that I think about it, Kikaider was laughed at first too for not being adult enough,but later it proved to be.Only thing was that it didn't last too long on Adult Swim. Oh well. :rolleyes:

[Duke]

I really liked this episode. However, I do hope Rachel finds out sometime. She does, doesn't she? I hate it when any show (Japanese or American) plays "let's cover up in front of our loved ones!"

[SirLemming]

We'll get a lot of "this show isn't adult enough" comments for a while until it gets removed, then people will ***** and moan about how Adult Swim shouldn't have kicked it off.
Sad, but so undeniably true.

It's not like they're using this show to replace any other "more adult" shows with new episodes. Until that happens, I say quit whining and enjoy the ride. Some people just think way too much about these things. It's TV. Watch it or don't. Simple as that.

EDIT: I'm not saying the old "If you don't like it, you don't have to watch!!!" thing. I'm just saying that some people need to stop worrying about "the block" and just worry about the show.

[Aquadementia]

I could really get into this cartoon.
I love the father, the inventor, the mole with a hair growing out it on his rear.

Few things, for someone who is super observant, not noticing he shrunk for so long, running in oversized shoes, kind of hard to miss. But I did miss about half a minute to let the dog out, so it could have been explained then.
His parents moved over sea? I've could have heard that somewhere before.
No glass in his glasses, I can't imagine people not noticing that for too long.
Also, he is becoming a 10 year old emotionally. Short trip, but hay..

[shogunthethird]

is it me or is Jimmy's mind not the only thing unaffected by the poison? from what I saw of tonight's episode he may be physically weaker but his reflexes, motor skills and overall agility seem to be the same as he was before he got fun-sized (DAMN YOU MYRON REDUCTO!!!!) as for the disguise thing this could work for him, if nothing else I'm sure having an older mind in a younger body could get him into some kind of gifted honors program

[livingfruitvirus]

I love the father, the inventor, the mole with a hair growing out it on his rear.
I don't know about anyone else here, but if someone came up to me and said "Now Corey, I've never told anyone else this before, but I can trust you. You see, I have this big hairy mole on my ass, and...." then I'd have trouble speaking to that person again.

[Chad Bonin]

And that's different from every other 2003-2004 anime on Adult Swim.. how?Witch Hunter Robin, The Big O, Blue Gender, these were obviously adult, whether it be the slow-paced Witch stuff, philosophical discussions admist giant robot battles, or Starship Troopers animated, those were Adult Swim Shows.

Case Closed needs, well, less Inspector Gadget stuff. Adding a murder to a mystery doesn't make it adult.

[William C. Maune]

I'm not seeing the Inspector Gadget comparison. There are no extra smart dogs, Conan is worlds ahead of Penny and there is no bumbling Inspector Gadget either. (Not to mention no Dr. Claw like super villains) If anything, this is an adult version of Inspector Gadget.

[Killtacular]

Witch Hunter Robin,
TEENS

The Big O,
The first season, sure. Second season was for EVA-loving emo teens.

Blue Gender,
Very Square RPG-esque story and ending, storytelling most popular with teens.

whether it be the slow-paced Witch stuff,
poor direction is not stylistic.

philosophical discussions admist giant robot battles,
teens love religious references with no context and they enjoy giant robots.

Starship Troopers animated,
teens loved starship troopers. adults find it to be stupid shlock. like meeee!

[blitzkrieg]

Witch Hunter Robin, The Big O, Blue Gender, these were obviously adult, whether it be the slow-paced Witch stuff, philosophical discussions admist giant robot battles, or Starship Troopers animated, those were Adult Swim Shows.

So if the murder cases were slow paced murder cases the show would be "adult?" Well since they don't have that, I suppose they could be "adult" by discussing the philiosphical nature of being turned into a little kid. If all else fails they could shoot stuff because blood & gore = "adult".

With these apparent standards for stuff being "adult" then I guess that if I ever have to babysit that I should pop in some "Murder She Wrote" tapes or "Matlock." Who do you need when kids are in danger of being bored? You need Perry Mason.

[Anime Freak]

TEENS



Lol! You're so right Matt! All my friends think WHR kicks ass, and they're all around 16-18 years of age. So yeah, you're pretty much right on that.

[AlphaPrime]

I'm not seeing the Inspector Gadget comparison. There are no extra smart dogs, Conan is worlds ahead of Penny and there is no bumbling Inspector Gadget either. (Not to mention no Dr. Claw like super villains) If anything, this is an adult version of Inspector Gadget.
*claps at the post*

I LOVE this show so far, funny , adult at times*panty shots, murders* some lang that wouldn't fit on any CN block but AS at the moment* Damn, Ass*

Best to have shows as lessedited as possible and on ASA it'll stay that way so 10 cheers for Case Closed!

[Aquadementia]

I don't know about anyone else here, but if someone came up to me and said "Now Corey, I've never told anyone else this before, but I can trust you. You see, I have this big hairy mole on my ass, and...." then I'd have trouble speaking to that person again.
Unfortunately, sometimes you find out things about your friends you may not want to admit to knowing.
And is there any question he would have deduced the mole in any case.



About the ADULT part.
Man threatening a small girl with a knife.
Man hitting small boy with a bat.
This kind of violence actually carries more emotional weight then space ships blowing up.

[Sublime420]

I kinda likey. If the dad keeps taking all the credit and what's her name doesn't find out who's who, it might get annoying. I do think it's a bit young for AS, but I'll watch PB& J otters if I'm bored. OOOODDDAAAALLLaaaaYYYY. So what the hell do I care.

Tonights case was pretty cool and the show is finally set on it's way to become whatever the hell it will. BRING IT ON!!!

[Duke]

Someone please tell me that Rachel does eventually find out about Conan.

[Anime Freak]

Well from what i've heard....

She suspects it a lot,but never actually finds out.

[SirLemming]

About the ADULT part.
Man threatening a small girl with a knife.
Man hitting small boy with a bat.
This kind of violence actually carries more emotional weight then space ships blowing up.Nah, don't go that route. I think we just have to accept that this particular episode does not have adult content.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS NOT ADULT!! *explosion somewhere*

Someone please tell me that Rachel does eventually find out about Conan.Heck, she seems pretty close to finding out already. And he nearly told her about a minute into the thing. No way is it gonna last.

[blitzkrieg]

Rachel finding out about Jimmy would equate to David and Maddie getting together on Moonlighting. It's one of those things that really shouldn't be done until the series is wrapping up. Unless they killed her after she found out, that would work but I like Rachel too much so it's the whole series wrapping up thing.

[SirLemming]

Anyone else notice how Jimmy is tall again in some of the shots in the commercial that aren't from the first episode?

I guess it could be the intro or a flashback...

[Zyzzybalubah]

Unfortunately, sometimes you find out things about your friends you may not want to admit to knowing.
And is there any question he would have deduced the mole in any case.



About the ADULT part.
Man threatening a small girl with a knife.
Man hitting small boy with a bat.
This kind of violence actually carries more emotional weight then space ships blowing up.
You're right about the man threatening girl with knife part that's a bit extreme, but not sure about the bat. I mean in Yu Yu Hakusho on Toonami, Yuske was punched in the face by a teacher at his school, and I believe in Rurouni Kenshin they did show Yahiko getting beatdowns.

Second episode of Detective Conan was good. I so far really like this show. I agree with Knux by saying the show doesn't really feel like an Adult Swim show. Don't get me wrong, InuYasha and Witch Hunter Robin aren't that much more mature than this show (I prefer Detective Conan much better than both show btw), but despite some murders and what not, it could easily be editted for Toonami. I won't complain though because this show is very interesting. I think it's going to be funny seeing Conan, er Jimmy in elementary school My guess is he's going to befriend those three kids at the carnival and he's going to get bullied. lol

Another thing I hope that happens is Rachel starts dating some other guy. It would be interesting to see how Jimmy acts in this situation.

[Duke]

Anyone else notice how Jimmy is tall again in some of the shots in the commercial that aren't from the first episode?

I guess it could be the intro or a flashback...I thought all the scenes were from Episode 1 (sans Jimmy/Conan looking in the window to discover he's now a boy).

[SamCurt]

(For convenience's sake I would use the Japanese names if we don't know their new names.)

1. Jimmy's parents

Jimmy's parents moved to LA (As the Japanese version is concerned) 2 years before the current story. Yes, Jimmy's living alone in his house.

2. Agasa and Jimmy

It is commonly regarded that the Kudos has a close relationship with the Dr Agasa; in Jimmy's father's absence Agasa and Rachel did help in conserving the large amount of books and archives of the Kudo household.

3. Ran and Conan's identity

She first guessed it as soon as Ep 7. Conan deceivfully escaped that.
Her second guess is at Ep100 (If we count an ep as 30 mins; in the usual count it's the second half-hour of Ep96.). It was Jimmy's mom who deceived Rachel.
The third guess was in Ep 190-something. This time, Shinichi did really appear for 48 hours or so.

4. How Conan spoke his deduction?

1. Disgusing as Richard when he's unconsious.
2. Same as above, but the subject is now Serena (Her premiere would be in Ep 6.)
3. Trying to give hints to Richard. By then Richard is fully conscious.
4. By himself, as a Junior Detective.
5. By himself, in some other situations.
6. Others, like disguising as his older self.

[Meson]

Detective Conan is a family show. THat's what it is, a pprogram to beloved by all ages. The problem is that CN has no place for family programming. THe show deserves to be a part of a non-action TOonami, which doesn't exist. So, it has to be on Adult Swim.

The show seems interesting. I'll know by then of the week if I like it or not.

[Teek]

I'm liking the show so far, it's a shame though because I fear it won't last enough on Adult Swim. Hopefully if it does get moved around the schedule it will still be able to get an audience.

[MattThomasM2B]

The show is okay. It didn't really glue me to my seat, but hey it was the only thing on at 3:30 in the morning. I'm just glad an online buddy told me it was on tonight, or I would've missed it.

(EDIT: I just realized it is Tuesday night.....I DID miss the first episode! Crap!)

It scores points for not being another 'moody angsty' show like Robin and Wolf's Rain, but I doubt that it'll have strong enough ratings to last long enough to show every episode. It just seems out of place.

And what they aired wasn't the opening. At least it wasn't the *full* opening. Every episode gives a preview of the ep before going into the OP.

I recommend that all of you see the 8th opening at least once though. A comedy goldmine, right there.

[VinceA]

Detective Conan is a family show. THat's what it is, a pprogram to beloved by all ages. The problem is that CN has no place for family programming. THe show deserves to be a part of a non-action TOonami, which doesn't exist. So, it has to be on Adult Swim.That's the problem in a nutshell. There's no where (on any network not just CN) where a non-comedy animated show is liable to get good/great ratings across multiple demographics. I wish there were but there isn't.

[Cheesecake]

Adult swim is just packaging, its not like its getting in the way of anything else airing, apart from Inyuasha repeats but if anyone cares so much about them you should have taped them for free while you had the chance, ha!

Its a nice little show and its good to see something a little differnet on AS, its not really action or comedy.

And the thought of it being on Toonami just ownt work.

" So in this weeks m....er..."get" case Conan tries to solve the mystery of who k....er.."got" Dr.Meyers"

I mean if Toonami had a problemn with miguels shocked face before being blown up in SEED how are they gonna react to people examing countless corpses from murder cases?"

[Sketch]

Gah! For the last time. Bandai edited SEED. Toonami didn't force them to change any scenes.

I don't care if it's really "adult" or not (most shows on AS aren't anyway especially on ASA) this is quite enjoyable and if they couldn't leave in any of the important stuff on daytime broadcast then it should stay on Adult Swim. It should move up a half hour though. ATHF reruns could be in the first hour and either Futurama or Family Guy could take a break from weekdays.

[Killtacular]

I believe in Rurouni Kenshin they did show Yahiko getting beatdowns.
Such scenes were in fact editted. Check Kyle Pope's edit list.

[Killtacular]

Gah! For the last time. Bandai edited SEED. Toonami didn't force them to change any scenes.
Any proof of that claim? Or is it based on assumption like most of my theories? Because Bandai ALWAYS entrusts editting to Williams Street. They've said so themselves.

[Sketch]

Wait a minute... no no no. G Gundam was edited/changed by Bandai. Most of the stuff on Toonami before that was edited by WS (such as Gundam Wing I believe) but Seed has cuts that WS couldn't do easily. Can they really remove corpses from a scene like that? I know they can touch up blood but whole corpses?

[Killtacular]

Wait a minute... no no no. G Gundam was edited/changed by Bandai. Most of the stuff on Toonami before that was edited by WS (such as Gundam Wing I believe) but Seed has cuts that WS couldn't do easily. Can they really remove corpses from a scene like that? I know they can touch up blood but whole corpses?
They've done it before. That's the beauty of digital anime, though..

And G Gundam may have had its dub prepared for Toonami but Williams Street still cut and excised things themselves. It just gave them less work to do with the dialogue.

[Sketch]

What did they cut? I thought the footage was always close to uncut. I didn't notice much of a difference from the DVD's just Rain didn't have so much covering in the last episode.

[lostrune]

1. I could understand what Knux is saying about the 2nd ep. This ep is quite tame, and that's why there weren't a lot of edits - I don't think there was a single cut even. So at least ya guys could be glad to know there's not much in the quickie edit list today:

a. The true OP was skipped, as per ASA M.O.

b. At her dad's detective office, Rachel conveniently left out that their mom may have dumped her dad because he's messy at his chosen profession. At least the dub inserted a pun joke about "just polished a whole case"... of beer, that is. :D

c. Jimmy's parents are overseas... originally Rachel/Ran even specified it as America.

d. OK, seems there's a big deal about the butt-mark, so I'll just mention that the "hairy mole" was originally an "old injury scar," if it makes any difference. :sweat:

e. Conan got dizzy from his dad's overly powerful glasses. And later, I dunno how Rachel doesn't notice that the lens are missing. Maybe she's just humoring the kid pretending to be a detective? :sweat:

f. When Rachel hugged Conan because he's so cute, Conan blushed that his disguise worked. As you can probably guess, originally he was blushing, "What a chest...." :anime:

g. The dub line still works, though when Rachel admitted her love for Jimmy, originally she sounded more proud of it. :o

h. No cut when Det. Moore plonked Conan on the head. :D

i. I think the ad break was at the same place originally.

j. Also no cuts on the kidnapper's knife to the girl and bat hit on Conan.

k. Again, the ED theme originally came right after the car scene and before the elementary scene (then the preview). I'll just skip this from now on, as FUNi will probably always put the ED theme at the very end of eps.


2. I haven't seen these eps for so long, but I think the next ep (the 3rd) is the one I vaguely remember from these initial eps. IIRC, the explanation may be a tad confusing for many kids, so at least AS may appreciate that. :shrug:

Anyways, if ya guys want more info about Detective Conan, even concerning US TV, look up rec.arts.anime.misc for "Dave Baranyi" on Google Groups ('http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en'). He actually keeps up with those ongoing 300+ eps of DC in Japan (he knows Japanese). Heck, here's something he said about it (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=P52D4.27616%24X4.866085%40news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3Ddetective%2Bconan%2Bfox%26num%3D20%26as_scoring%3Dd%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF-8%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26as_epq%3D%26as_oq%3D%26as_eq%3D%26as_ugroup%3Drec.arts.anime.misc%26as_usubject%3D%26as_uauthors%3Dbaranyi%26as_umsgid%3D%26lr%3D%26as_drrb%3Dq%26as_qdr%3D%26as_mind%3D12%26as_minm%3D5%26as_miny%3D1981%26as_maxd%3D26%26as_maxm%3D5%26as_maxy%3D2004%26safe%3Dimages) some time ago:

I watched a recent "Meitantei Conan" episode last night and it was one of the
ones with Conan and the "Detective Boys" and there was a kidnapping instead
of a murder. These types of episodes do turn up once in a while and to a
good extent, they are no more "offensive" than a random episode of
"Scooby-Doo". ( My gut feeling is that the occasional "Detective Boys"
episodes are there to keep the little kids interested who might get bored if
all of the episodes were aimed at the older audiences.)

At least that's his take on the tamer episodes. Take from that what you will. :shrug:

Heck, if ya guys are up for some more interesting reading, try these discussions about when Fox Kids thought about Detective Conan a few years ago: :D
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=8no8fm%241fu%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&rnum=3&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dconan%2Bgroup:rec.arts.anime.misc%2Bauthor:tvguy6885%2540my-deja.com%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26scoring%3Dd%26selm%3D8no8fm%25241fu%25241%2540nnrp1.deja.com%26rnum%3D3
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=8nrof6%24quo%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dconan%2Bgroup:rec.arts.anime.misc%2Bauthor:tvguy6885%2540my-deja.com%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26scoring%3Dd%26selm%3D8nrof6%2524quo%25241%2540nnrp1.deja.com%26rnum%3D2
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=8nubl3%24rml%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dconan%2Bgroup:rec.arts.anime.misc%2Bauthor:tvguy6885%2540my-deja.com%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26scoring%3Dd%26selm%3D8nubl3%2524rml%25241%2540nnrp1.deja.com%26rnum%3D1

And yeah, we're quite sure that "tvguy6885" was the one Fox Kids put in charge of actually doing the editing. Among the things he mentioned:
- Detective Conan's editing wasn't assigned to him
- DC got stuck in BS&P (obviously it never came out, fortunately)
- and here's an interesting quote:

well you know about detective conan, which is pretty much in limbo. they BRIEFLY discussed Ranma...but that won't happen either. the only other show that's actually in production is a show called "mushranbo" [Ed: It later aired as "Shinzo" on Fox Family] which, admittedly, i know nothing about. [actually, any info or opinions on this show would be great...are translators are preety slow...]

but the cool thing is the story editor on that show is a guy named Tony Oliver....

Take from that as you wish. :)

Anyways, again just use Google Groups ('http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en') to search using his email addy as "author" and "Conan" as word to look for (or even "Escaflowne" or "Slayers" if you want to also check out those other Fox Kids forays). ;)


I never understood the logic behind those. Are subtitles that horrible? They'd certainly look less out of place.

I believe it's just their shortcut to "overlay" the written kanji (because it's often different from what the English "subtitle" says) instead of erasing then replacing the kanji with the English subtitle while keeping the underlying animation. And maybe, to them, kanji+English subtitle underneath may occupy too much of the animation. :shrug:


lostrune thanks for all the info I was wondering what happened to the guys head.

Ya guys are welcome. Though it's stupid funny how, in the original, the extra 3-secs of "flashing light" going down the rollercoaster made it look like fireworks. :D

Heh, even in the original, Detective Conan is still a family show. It's no Kill Bill blood-geyser there. :sweat:


That's what I'm afraid of. I enjoyed the roller coaster mystery, and I hope the series has more of that kind of suspense.

As long as the series still remains focused on the mystery solving, and not on the "hijinks", I should be fine with his new stature.

Eh. It's 300+ eps. Most eps focus on cases, with a li'l bit of hiding identity hijinks. Some eps have cases but with more emphasis or even the focus on identity-hiding. :shrug:


Eww. WHY did Dr. Somethingorother tell Jimmy about the hairy mole on his butt?
I don't know about anyone else here, but if someone came up to me and said "Now Corey, I've never told anyone else this before, but I can trust you. You see, I have this big hairy mole on my ass, and...." then I'd have trouble speaking to that person again.

Heheh, I don't know if it makes any difference, but originally, it's actually a scar on the doctor's butt from an old injury. :D :sweat:


That was, like, Inspector Gadget-style. A girl fakes being kidnapped, only to be really kidnapped.

I'm not a writer, well... a writer for this show, so I can't think of what WOULD make it adult... but maybe it was just an "off" episode. I could have seen that episode on Miguzi or SVES, it seems.

Well, I won't argue with you about similarities to Inspector Gadget, though I think Gadget's case is an extreme description of Detective Conan. Most DC eps (>80%) involve real-life weapons and murders, some can be gruesome even. That's why Fox dropped it like a hot potato. :D


I really liked this episode. However, I do hope Rachel finds out sometime. She does, doesn't she? I hate it when any show (Japanese or American) plays "let's cover up in front of our loved ones!"

Well, if you must know.... ;)
She really tries her darnest... and she's still trying! :D
She often comes very close though, but Conan is a smart detective who knows how to cover his own tracks. :)


Few things, for someone who is super observant, not noticing he shrunk for so long, running in oversized shoes, kind of hard to miss.

Yeah, it took him a while. I think he was just in shock denial waking up from a nasty experience trying to get his dizzy mind's bearing straight. :sweat:


is it me or is Jimmy's mind not the only thing unaffected by the poison? from what I saw of tonight's episode he may be physically weaker but his reflexes, motor skills and overall agility seem to be the same as he was before he got fun-sized (DAMN YOU MYRON REDUCTO!!!!) as for the disguise thing this could work for him, if nothing else I'm sure having an older mind in a younger body could get him into some kind of gifted honors program

His mind/brain and nervous system (reflexes) seem unaffected, but not his muscles/bones/stuff directly related to his change of size. :shrug:

[James Bester]

so, i guess rachel just figures that jimmy isn't dead during all these episodes.

[A.Magik]

Does Detective Conan ever return to his actual age, or at least temporarily? (or acquires an unstable way of changing between the two like Ranma?) Because I'm not sure I would be interested if there was never such an incident. After all, Yusuke didn't remain dead, nor did Kagome remain in Medieval Japan.

A.Magik

[The Collector]

I really didn't know what to expect from this show from the promos, I figured I'd watch it without taping it and see how interesting it was. Well, the first episode surprised me by being a lot better than I expected, so I stayed up for the second showing and recorded it. After yesterday's episode I'm glad I did. This is a good show. I guess it's another one for my collection.:D

As far as it being not "adult" enough to be on AS, I don't care. Would you rather be watching nothing but reruns?

[Tapout]

so, i guess rachel just figures that jimmy isn't dead during all these episodes.
Yeah, that's my biggest problem so far. Maybe it gets mentioned later, but everyone except the Doctor, who knows what's up, doesn't really seem conserned with the disappearance of the ultra-popular soccer playing detective. Especially with Rachel's premonition right before Jimmy ran off after those guys. Now she doesn't really seem to care very much.

[Cheesecake]

[QUOTE=Hyper Luigi]Gah! For the last time. Bandai edited SEED. Toonami didn't force them to change any scenes.

[QUOTE]

Got any proof? and anyway, Toonami are the ones who broadcast the eidted version, thus they are responsible for what they are airing. Its Toonami not the Bandai channel. It cant be that hard to simply send a WS guy over to Bandai and say " so what changes are ya planning on making?" and oversee them.

Its pretty obvious someone at WS tells Bandai what to edit.

[Sketch]

I forgot to mention this before...

I must be subconsciencely craving this show because last night I woke up at 3ish again and went down stairs to watch it... odd. Good thing too since I couldn't get a tape in last night and I would have missed it otherwise.

[Sketch]

[QUOTE=Hyper Luigi]Gah! For the last time. Bandai edited SEED. Toonami didn't force them to change any scenes.

[QUOTE]

Got any proof? and anyway, Toonami are the ones who broadcast the eidted version, thus they are responsible for what they are airing. Its Toonami not the Bandai channel. It cant be that hard to simply send a WS guy over to Bandai and say " so what changes are ya planning on making?" and oversee them.

Its pretty obvious someone at WS tells Bandai what to edit.
The post on the Toonami board clears this up a little (at least IMO).

Why would they edit that now if they didn't before? WS doesn't do stuff like that. Did you see what they left in on Kenshin? Gatling guns, a fair amount of blood, drugs, some heavy violence. I mean seriously, why would they tell Bandai to change the sound of the guns? This stinks of Sunrise influence.

[PaQ]

Two episodes in and I'm really enjoying Case Closed. It's a really great show, with some good characters. I watched both airings last night to get the full feel of the show.

First off, I like Jimmy Kudo's voice, so I'm glad they kept that as the voice of his thoughts now that he's shrunk into Conan. I like that it feels he's still himself even if he isn't physically.

Nice little interaction between Conan and Dr. Agasa was funny. The hairy mole on the butt and then the deduction of where he had been was great.. And I liked the whole Conan chastizing Dr. Agasa for doubting. "One truth prevails." and then having Agasa see the likeness of Jimmy during that. Nice touch.

Then Rachel ends up revealing to Conan that she loves Jimmy. Wow.. :o Conan got so red, it was very adorable, and then Rachel saying that it'll just be their secret, and that she feels she could tell Conan anything. Perhaps this is the best thing for Jimmy in the long run, because he can see Rachel how she is when she thinks she's not around Jimmy and perhaps can be more herself and Conan/Jimmy will end up finding even more respect for her. Like when she saved Conan from the guy at the bat at the end, I had almost forgotten that Rachel was a karate person. She definitely kicked some butt and had some nice moves.

I believe this is our lengthy introduction to Richard Moore, Rachel's father. He's a detective, that now with Jimmy not around and cute Conan not taken seriously, can benefit and recieve many cases. He's experienced, but not exactly the best detective around. He jumps to conclusions and apparently needs some slight pushing and prodding to figure things out, unfortunately it looks like he'll be getting the credit for future cases as well. :shrug:

The case was interesting, the girl talked the butler into faking a kidnapping so that she would get her father's attention. Typical cry for help thing, but then I didn't see the whole second kidnapping coming. Once I knew about it, watching the second airing, I could see hints, as when the father said he got a ransom call and how shocked the butler acted and saying something like the father must be mistaken and such. Obviously Conan saw it, a lot of good deduction went on, and I liked him kicking the ball and how Rachel remarked the similarity to Jimmy doing that.

This was a good episode. I give "The Kidnapped Debutante" an A.

[Duke]

Got any proof? and anyway, Toonami are the ones who broadcast the eidted version, thus they are responsible for what they are airing. Its Toonami not the Bandai channel. It cant be that hard to simply send a WS guy over to Bandai and say " so what changes are ya planning on making?" and oversee them.

Its pretty obvious someone at WS tells Bandai what to edit.Can we PLEASE leave Gundam SEED editing off of this board? It dragged down the Toonami board enough. The last thing the Adult Swim forum needs is an arguement from the Toonami forum migrating.

[Sketch]

Indeed, it would be Naruto all over again.

[lostrune]

so, i guess rachel just figures that jimmy isn't dead during all these episodes.
Yeah, that's my biggest problem so far. Maybe it gets mentioned later, but everyone except the Doctor, who knows what's up, doesn't really seem conserned with the disappearance of the ultra-popular soccer playing detective. Especially with Rachel's premonition right before Jimmy ran off after those guys. Now she doesn't really seem to care very much.

Well, she worries. But as we'll soon found out....
(Not really a spoiler; it's vague - but just in case.)
Rachel will know that Jimmy is alive, just that he can't be there right now. But she still worries. Awwwwww. :)

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/Conan2.jpg



Yet another case solved by Detective Richard Moore!!!

I had a grin on my face after watching this episode. It was pretty good! I am also glad that they kept the Jimmy VA for Conan's thoughts. As for the Conan's VA, its not bad either.

Not much else to add. I guess you could call this similar to Inspector Gaget. But at least this show makes you use your brain verses having it chucked out the window to enjoy the show.

[herbkir]

Case Closed not adult? Feh! It's just as adult as the live-action mysteries on network TV prime time. It's also got the beginnings of some sweet, interesting character interactions. Just bear in mind that the whole of the principal cast hasn't been introduced yet.

Some folks seem to think that "adult" means bloody ultra-violence and a huge dose of fanservice. Not so. It's the story and character interplay that make a series into adult-level fare. And Case Closed offers potential for rich, multilevel episodes.

Like most anime, you can pick this one apart for certain departures from real-life, like the ease with which legal custody/birth certificate for child Conan was sort of assumed to have been taken care of so he could be enrolled in public school. Or why nobody noticed the disappearance of a famous amateur detective (but maybe that's covered later?). And what about whether his kid body is in its pre-puberty condition? I'll leave those to other minds. Right now, I'm anticipating meeting the rest of the main cast.

The Kidnapped Debutante episode offered a clever twist with a fake kidnapping gone real. And the bit with Conan wanting to ride off to the rescue on a big dog was funny. I also liked how he figured out the tall building at night looked like a chimney from certain angles, and deduced from that the location of the school where the girl was being held. And having Rachel follow him and come in to karate-kick the perp's butt was an acceptable way to deal with Conan's lack of physical power. The scene of Conan getting slammed with the baseball bat isn't really something for the kiddies. Could have ruptured his innards. (And I don't have any problem with the little black boxes identifying new major characters. They're actually helpful.) Overall, satisfying episode. (^_*)

[Sketch]

Look Inuyasha and Conan play nice.

http://web.utk.edu/~bborchar/shonen_sunday/animepage/198_poster.jpg

[Ultra8]

So far a excellant show. I wasn't surprised about it winding up on ASA, I've seen trading cards with some of the more bloody murder scenes form the show. If they had a family block this would probably wind up there but since they don't, ASA is the place for it, which matters little to me as long as I finally get to see this show. I was a little annoyed that my tv guide said it was coming at midnight and instead they showed ATHF, but it's not the 1st time it's given me the wrong information.
The story's a plus, the characters are interesting and the mysteries cunning.
I like the black boxes though I wish they weren't so big.
Can't wait to see the rest of the week's eps.
A++

[Sanwich]

Look Inuyasha and Conan play nice.
Holy crap, that is great. XD

If only the fans could get along so well. c_c

[Cheesecake]

The post on the Toonami board clears this up a little (at least IMO).

Why would they edit that now if they didn't before? WS doesn't do stuff like that. Did you see what they left in on Kenshin? Gatling guns, a fair amount of blood, drugs, some heavy violence. I mean seriously, why would they tell Bandai to change the sound of the guns? This stinks of Sunrise influence.
Why would Sunrise or Bandai edit stuff without toonami influence? it would be a wate of bandai money,resources and time. And by drugs in RK you mean "poppys":rolleyes:

and by gattlling guns i bey your not including the train robbers gun that was eidted out of RK in almost every shot it appeared in:rolleyes:

and this whole " change the sound effects of guns to sound like stun lasers" change stinks of Cartoon networks gun phobia which they have had even in Trigun on AS.

[MrBananagrabber]

Why would Sunrise or Bandai edit stuff without toonami influence? it would be a wate of bandai money,resources and time. And by drugs in RK you mean "poppys":rolleyes:

and by gattlling guns i bey your not including the train robbers gun that was eidted out of RK in almost every shot it appeared in:rolleyes:

and this whole " change the sound effects of guns to sound like stun lasers" change stinks of Cartoon networks gun phobia which they have had even in Trigun on AS.
If an uncut version airs on TV, why by the DVDs? That's their logic, IMO.

Kenshin was on Toonami, and still got away with quite a bit. Yeah, they didn't show guns against a kid's head, but they did allow a decent amount of blood, opiuim, suicide, and kept the more "adult" pieces of the plot in tact. Keeping Kamatari as a homosexual was a miracle. That show got away with murder.

On topic, I'm loving Detective Conan. I hope it stays on the air, I'd like to have a nice long series to watch.

[PaQ]

Look Inuyasha and Conan play nice.
Ironic Conan took Inuyasha's spot in the block. :anime:

Cute picture, not taking in the some issues i have with the picture.. I mean wouldn't Rachel have a picture of Jimmy on that thing instead of Conan? .. And what is up with the tetsusaiga being all ready for use instead of being a brittle sword in Conan's hand? .. Still great picture.


About tonights episode, sounds interesting with it involving an "idol". I bet Simon did it didn't he? .. He's so smug. ;)

[JetMaster5]

...I've got nothing to complain about this show, other than the animation. Great story, good mysteries, and nice "down-to-earth" deductions.

I'll take this series over Inuyasha any day.

[Anime Guy]

"The Kidnapped Debutante" was another good episode. Conan's remark about Dr. Agasa having a hairy mole on his ass was hilarious, as was Richard Moore's pun about just finishing a case.:D This episode was adult in my opinion. A girl who almost gets murdered and gets saved in the nick of time; A bit cliched, but I like the fact that the perp was actually going the extra mile to murder her instead of just getting the money. That's pretty serious stuff right there. I liked how Conan rode the dog like a horse to get to her. Rachel's moves on the perp were also great. I also liked how Conan was blushing when Rachel told him that she loved Jimmy. I can see interesting things happening with Jimmy able to "spy" on Rachel as Conan. That could definitely make for some funny scenes.

[fearlessleader7]

I liked the episode last night. Jimmy as a kid isn't that bad, especially when his teen voice is used for his thoughts. I'll give it an A-.

Am I the only one who doesn't mind the black boxes?Actually, I don't mind them either. I liked them on YYH, and I like them on this show. Like someone mentioned earlier, it helps you keep the names straight...at least it does for me.

Look Inuyasha and Conan play nice.That is so funny! lol...

And what is up with the tetsusaiga being all ready for use instead of being a brittle sword in Conan's hand? .. Still great picture.I wondered that too, but oh well.

[Duke]

Was it just me, or was last night's episode bright for some reason? The skin tones seemed really pale, almost white.

Look Inuyasha and Conan play nice.Hehe, I love IY's face with the magnifying glass. It's priceless.

Why would Sunrise or Bandai edit stuff without toonami influence? it would be a wate of bandai money,resources and time. And by drugs in RK you mean "poppys":rolleyes:

and by gattlling guns i bey your not including the train robbers gun that was eidted out of RK in almost every shot it appeared in:rolleyes:

and this whole " change the sound effects of guns to sound like stun lasers" change stinks of Cartoon networks gun phobia which they have had even in Trigun on AS.Are you purposefully ignoring me? I'll say it again: LEAVE THE GUNDAM SEED ARGUING TO THE TOONAMI FORUM!

[William C. Maune]

Better yet, leave it to no forum.

[Sketch]

Ironic Conan took Inuyasha's spot in the block. :anime:

Cute picture, not taking in the some issues i have with the picture.. I mean wouldn't Rachel have a picture of Jimmy on that thing instead of Conan? .. And what is up with the tetsusaiga being all ready for use instead of being a brittle sword in Conan's hand?
Exactly why I put it up. I was suprised I found that picture. I've been pimping it on the AS official boards to anyone who hate Inuyasha being replaced by Case Closed. I say "Conan is Inuyasha's friend, and a friend of Inuyasha's should be your friend as well right?"

Maybe she like Conan later... that entails... oh dear. Better get Knux on that one. :anime:

I wondered that as well but it's DANG AWESOME that it's ready for battle. That would be have been mighty helpful in last nights episode when Conan got pwned by the kidnapper.

[Duke]

I wondered that as well but it's DANG AWESOME that it's ready for battle. That would be have been mighty helpful in last nights episode when Conan got pwned by the kidnapper.
According to FUNi's site, it looks like Conan's gonna get a bunch of gadgets to help him out on that part. So it looks like he'll be a pint-sized James Bond without the cool car.

[Tienshin]

To clarify, just in case anyone got lost along the trail:

This thread is called "C&C-Detective Conan/Case Closed", covering the period of 5/24-5/27 for a reason. Keep the off topic crap/debates out of here.

[SirLemming]

I thought all the scenes were from Episode 1 (sans Jimmy/Conan looking in the window to discover he's now a boy).There's a scene where Rachel is running down a bunch of crumbling stairs and Jimmy rescues her, if I remember correctly. That wasn't from episode 1.
It might've just been an unidentified arm, I'm not sure.

[Aquadementia]

I was wondering if it was really necessary to youth-anize Jimmy.
Maybe it's just that you need to be in need of sleep access this kind of logic, but I think I finally got a handle on the Why of Detective Connan. They wanted to make a show about a kid that solves mysteries because you can put him in all sorts of amusing situations and it creates a sense of tension when you see the one with all the answers is never going to be taken seriously. Plus he's fun to draw. But the kid has to be smart with wisdom beyond his years, a little adult. So of course, just take a bright adult and shrink him. The universe wouldn't allow things to be any other way. Why didn't the Underwear Gnomes explain this to me earlier?


I forgot to mention this before...

I must be subconsciencely craving this show because last night I woke up at 3ish again and went down stairs to watch it... odd. Good thing too since I couldn't get a tape in last night and I would have missed it otherwise.Some will join the priesthood, other devote themselves to a lifetime of service to their country, now you Hyper Luigi have found your calling. Go forth in peace.
Thanks for the poster, I don't normally use desktop wallpaper, but this is kind of cool.

[Sketch]

My calling is watching Detective Conan? Dang I was hoping for something a bit more uh... important.

[Chad Bonin]

Better get Knux on that one. :anime:
19-YEAR OLD SHINOBU!

Anyways, third episode is shaping up much more adult than the second.

[Botman]

I'm getting quite annoyed by the fact that Jimmy/Conan has to solve cases behind everyone's back...

Although I assume that this trend will not stop anytime soon...:sad:

[SamCurt]

There's a scene where Rachel is running down a bunch of crumbling stairs and Jimmy rescues her, if I remember correctly. That wasn't from episode 1.
It might've just been an unidentified arm, I'm not sure.
It was actually from the original OP. You know, the one removed on TV...

[Don_East]

Suicidewowsers Jimmy/Conan is good.

[Orimono_Shujin]

NOOO! I Hate sattelite TV. Just as conan discovers the dent on the floor and the heaters and starts to speak who the killer is... MY TV GOES OUT AND I LOSE THE SIGNAL. Now I have to wait until about 430 if this damn lightning storm goes away by then. Can someone please tell me who he/she was... SPOILERS WARNING HELPS

[Chad Bonin]

For a second there, I really thought this show might have proved by justfiably on ASA.

And then they air the preview for the next episode...

[Anime Freak]

ROFLAMO @Knux. Same thing I thought too. If only the retard trio weren't in this show then it'd be much better off. I mean that Big dude with the pointy head is already annoying me.And uhh,why didn't anyone at the scene think it was weird that a bunch of kids showed up out of no where for no reason whatsoever? :rolleyes:

[SirLemming]

Dear Lord, Eggman and Kuwabara have fused together!
...Eggman from Tokyo Pig, that is.

Another interesting mystery with lots of twists.
And this was definitely an adult episode. No, not because of the simple fact of murder, but because of the "adult situations". And I don't mean sex. All the stuff with the stalker and the boyfriends and the manager and the scandals and the popstar rivals... It's not necessarily inappropriate for children, it's just stuff they wouldn't be interested in. Plus, it's pretty complex. They wouldn't understand it; they'd just find it boring.

[The Collector]

I actually guessed the guy killed himself about 30 seconds before Conan said it. It was interesting how he did it though, I had no clue on that part.

[Nin-Nin69]

What a sad episode. I wish that manager got the crap beaten out of him for what he did. Yet Jimmy is going get ignored every time he has something important to say? This is going to get tedious if it's not done in a comical manner.

What's with the next episode? It looks like the Goonies.

[Youko Recca]

Maybe it's misleading...in this case a positive way? I am digging this show, keeping me interested all the way through.

[MattThomasM2B]

Better ASA then Toonami.

The show is growing on me. This will make it that much sadder when the show is replaced with Inu Yasha reruns because the ratings suck.

It's also sad to know that (what's her name)'s grief/sadness over Jimmy will be lasting a very, very long time.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

no one mentioned it yet? not good detectives you guys are....

how could you not notice the "kiddie" Funi logo played at the end of the episodes? this isn't what Blue Gender had :)

anyone care to solve the reasoning behind that? http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Nin-Nin69]

ROFLAMO @Knux. Same thing I thought too. If only the retard trio weren't in this show then it'd be much better off. I mean that Big dude with the pointy head is already annoying me.And uhh,why didn't anyone at the scene think it was weird that a bunch of kids showed up out of no where for no reason whatsoever? :rolleyes:
That is what I thought everyone was freaking out before they showed the stiff. The kids snuck inside and startled them. Yet they blended into the case somehow even though nobody asked them why they were there. It's like a Mafia Doctor walking into an emergency room at MGH.

[Mog]

Another good episode. At first I couldn't think of the killer, but after a few clues it all came together. I already know I'm going to enjoy this. I watch Poiroit(?) and Monk, but I always thought something was missing. And that's the inner dialogue. It's like reading a book.

[Nin-Nin69]

no one mentioned it yet? not good detectives you guys are....

how could you not notice the "kiddie" Funi logo played at the end of the episodes? this isn't what Blue Gender had :)

anyone care to solve the reasoning behind that? http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif
Atleast they didn't have a bumper that said "Kids love it........only Toonami." ;)

[Perfect Cell]

So Jimmy will solve every case for Rachels dad? I hope not, it might get boring.

The whole episode was nice though. The Junior Detectives seem like a nice addition. I do think its weird that only Rachel is worried about the fact that Jimmy is worried.

[Duke]

I actually guessed the suicide bit when Conan said "That's it!" Mainly because a similar situation, which resulted in suicide, happened on NCIS a few weeks back (My Mom loves that show).

[Anime Freak]

Now that I think about it, they gave us a major clue to this story in last nights eppy at the end when it said "ice cube" for the clue for the next eppy. And what happens? The ice cube is the main factor of this story. Heh.

[blitzkrieg]

no one mentioned it yet? not good detectives you guys are....

how could you not notice the "kiddie" Funi logo played at the end of the episodes? this isn't what Blue Gender had :)

anyone care to solve the reasoning behind that? http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

Funimation changed their logo a while ago. So when they show the logo after Funi stuff this will be what they show unless they decide to come up with a new one.

[TnAdct1]

Now that I think about it, they gave us a major clue to this story in last nights eppy at the end when it said "ice cube" for the clue for the next eppy. And what happens? The ice cube is the main factor of this story. Heh.
That's one thing to keep an eye on: what is mentioned at the end of the preview for the next episode. That will be an important clue to that episode's mystery.

[Youko Recca]

That's one thing to keep an eye on: what is mentioned at the end of the preview for the next episode. That will be an important clue to that episode's mystery.
What was tonight's?

[Duke]

What was tonight's?
Neon Lights.

[herbkir]

A pretty good episode. The identity of the killer was a nice twist. I didn't see that one coming.

But there was one rather large flaw in the episode that really strained my suspension of disbelief. The unconscious Richard Moore was supposedly giving this long exposition leading up to the identity of the killer, and therefore everyone was watching him. But how come nobody noticed his mouth and body wasn't moving? The smoke from his cigarette really wasn't enough distraction. The room seemed brightly lit. Someone should have noticed. It would have worked much better had Richard been sitting in deep shadow while Conan used his trick voice box. I hope they come up with better ways for Conan to work behind the scenes.
And Rachel at last gets the reassurance that her Jimmy isn't dead somewhere. She's a nice girl. I'm liking her more and more. (^_*)

[Duke]

But there was one rather large flaw in the episode that really strained my suspension of disbelief. The unconscious Richard Moore was supposedly giving this long exposition leading up to the identity of the killer, and therefore everyone was watching him. But how come nobody noticed his mouth and body wasn't moving? The smoke from his cigarette really wasn't enough distraction. The room seemed brightly lit. Someone should have noticed. It would have worked much better had Richard been sitting in deep shadow while Conan used his trick voice box. I hope they come up with better ways for Conan to work behind the scenes.
His upper half was in shadow, but yea, it is hard to believe. As much as it is to believe that nobody noticed the flying cigarette astray.

[ToonamiFanatic]

I only seen the first episode forgot about it tonight. but I think the Big shrink was alright. cant beleive this show has over 300+ episodes. the designs looked kinda weird especially their ears for some reason. I missed the first seven minutes of the first episode but ill watch it if it doesnt drag on.

[Sketch]

19-YEAR OLD SHINOBU!

Anyways, third episode is shaping up much more adult than the second.
Go ahead, try to justify yourself. You freak'n... well you know.

I crave more Conan. I HATE that it's on so dang late. It's only 10:48 right now... sigh... maybe I'll just fall asleep and wake up in time for the reprise again. :anime:

[Van Gogh]

This snoozer rivals Naruto and One Piece in the ratings??


The Japanese sure have crude taste.

[Kaiser0120]

This snoozer rivals Naruto and One Piece in the ratings??


The Japanese sure have crude taste.
Ok. I know it's your opinion on how the show is, but you shouldn't start insulting the tastes of a whole nations worth of people just because you don't like the show. -_-

[fearlessleader7]

I liked this episode. They seem to be getting better and better. I'll give it an A+

[Zyzzybalubah]

The third episode was really good! Detective Conan is coming along really nice! I can't help but want to watch more each time I see an episode. I love that voice changer he now has! LOL Big kid's voice was obviously Chris Sabat (that boy and Kuwabara sound and act quite a like!) This show is quite funny and quite interesting. My only complain for the dub is they couldn't keep the original names (Shinichi Kudou and Rei Mori), other than that I think the voice work is well done. Since this show is 300+ episodes, lets hope it doesn't go the way of The Simpsons (to be fair it has a few good new eps. but several bad new ones to accompany those.)

[Aquadementia]

Richard is fun, getting knocked out so Jimmy can solve the crime. Seeing him sleeping at his desk with empty beer can all around, it's inspiring. SO that's the wonderful world of self employment.
Gadgets, I love gadgets when used well.
Vary nice touch with Rachel looking down at Conan and talking to Jimmy.

Now for the naughty bits.
Kids at crime scenes. We're just going to have to ignore that for this show to work.
The position of the body. This is what threw me, I thought there had to be something more. Wasn't he lying face down when they found him? The coroner should have been able to catch this one by the odd entry angle. Plus, it's one of those things that goes so well in fiction, but I'd expect it'd be just as likely he would only wound himself, bad.

It was snowing at the end. Get Conan some long pants!


I crave more Conan. I HATE that it's on so dang late. It's only 10:48 right now... sigh... maybe I'll just fall asleep and wake up in time for the reprise again. :anime:
That's because it's calling to you.:)

[ClockStomper]

Starting next episode, the cases begin to skip around from stories in diffrerent manga volumes. Also, the Manga lacks the giant ears of doom...Rachel/Ran looks more attractive without them (remember animators, big ears < small ears).

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/murder01.jpg



Jimmy's... err... Conan's... err Richard Moore's next case! Someone was stalking a popular idol, but he ends up dead!


...
The position of the body. This is what threw me, I thought there had to be something more. Wasn't he lying face down when they found him? The coroner should have been able to catch this one by the odd entry angle. Plus, it's one of those things that goes so well in fiction, but I'd expect it'd be just as likely he would only wound himself, bad.
...
Actually if you look at where the indent in the floor was, it was outside the chalk line. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/murder02.jpg) So what could have happened was that after the poor fellow fell on the knife and the ice shattered, he slumped to his side and rolled to a face down position. Ya ya, sounds far fetched though :sweat:

As for the odd entry angle. Good one. Have you been watching too much CSI? :D

Anyway on to other stuff. I did enjoy watching this episode. Although for the next one. Yup, it does scream Goonies! D'oh.

Favorite scene. When one of the little kids said "Alright. We tried being nice, well just FORCE him to be our friend!" I thought that was amusing.

Also I still like it how Richard Moore treats little Conan when he speaks up. Look at that TLC right there. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/murder03.jpg)

[edit]

After looking at another screen cap. Man that poor guy! It appears the blade some how twisted a bit after the police men arrived to take photos of the crime scene. Ouch! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Temp/blade.jpg)

[shinji7162]

The third episode was really good! Detective Conan is coming along really nice! I can't help but want to watch more each time I see an episode. I love that voice changer he now has! LOL Big kid's voice was obviously Chris Sabat (that boy and Kuwabara sound and act quite a like!) This show is quite funny and quite interesting. My only complain for the dub is they couldn't keep the original names (Shinichi Kudou and Rei Mori), other than that I think the voice work is well done. Since this show is 300+ episodes, lets hope it doesn't go the way of The Simpsons (to be fair it has a few good new eps. but several bad new ones to accompany those.)
I have to make this reply my first post....

If you want to use the Japanese names, please make sure to get them right. You can look them up on any Detective Conan internet fan guide.

I will use Western order for the Japanese names of the main characters, since the original poster posted the Japanese names in Western order....

1.) Jimmy Kudo-- Shinichi Kudo
2.) Rachel Moore-- Ran Mouri
3.) Richard Moore-- Koguro Mouri
4.) Conan Edogawa is obviously the same name.
5.) Inspector Megure is obviously kept as such
6.) Dr. Agasa-- Dr. (or Prof.) Hiroshi Agasa

And the Junior Detective League-- (a/k/a the "Detective Boys")

7.) Amy-- Ayumi Yoshida
8.) George-- Genta Kojima (That's the big kid that Chris Sabat is believed to be voicing).
9.) Mitch-- Mitsuhiko Tsuburaya

When a new main character comes up, I will try to look up his/her Japanese name for the equivalent--

Anyway, since I just turned 36 today, I have an older fan's perspective on the series. In Japan, Detective Conan did not get the sustained high ratings on just hard core anime fans alone (Most of you posting are hard core anime fans). Detective Conan is designed to be a mystery show that the whole family can watch-- sort of an equivalent of an animated version of "Murder, She Wrote". (I think Murder She Wrote is a better equivalent of the show than CSI, although I have never seen CSI).

Sure, I can watch an English dub broadcast that kept the Japanese names and places-- I watch Anime Network on Demand a lot (and if it aired late night in Japan, it has to keep the Japanese names in the English version-- One Piece and Naruto also have to keep the Japanese names if they ever come to the U.S. or I will get turned off, too--) but Cartoon Network would never air an English version of Detective Conan keeping all of the Japanese names on a broadcast title knowing that it is at least 355 episodes long-- and you would never get 16% of the U.S. population watching it if you only had it as a Video on Demand title with the keeping of all the Japanese names and places. (Just the same, maybe Cartoon Network should create an Adult Swim Video on Demand category for people who love the Adult Swim shows, but can't stay up late to watch them-- I have Comcast Video on Demand, and would love to just click on the episode rather than setting my VCR all the time.)

Besides, the mysteries are the important thing to this particular show-- if it can get bigger ratings on a broadcast version by only changing the names and places, but keeping the overall plot in the spirit of "Detective Conan."-- I'll go for it. And the original Japanese version will be available on the DVDs for sale or rent.

[MattThomasM2B]

But Funimation made the decision to change names, not CN and Williams.

[lostrune]

1. Heh, I still can't believe how the authorities could just let little kids be around a dead body. The kids could've been scarred for life! :D

2. A couple of the funnier stuff were how Detective Moore was flirting with the young idol (in front of his daughter of similar age, no less! :anime: ), and Jimmy pointing the finger on Amy for butting in on the adults again. :D

3. As I mentioned previously, I thought ya AS guys may appreciate this ep because I remembered this ep for having an intricate logic to follow - maybe too intricate for many kids. :)

4. Save for the inconsequential lines changes, I don't recall any edits in this episode, except maybe that I don't remember the suicider trying to frame his ex-gf popstar with her hair. IIRC, he had her hair as a memento - the only thing to remember her by as his grave grief took ahold of him to commit suicide. :confused:

If this is how it's gonna be, then that's good because, like I said, I don't have the discipline to do these comparisons. Heck, maybe this'll be the last time too. The times are changin' for the better when edit lists are no longer needed. :)


For a second there, I really thought this show might have proved by justfiably on ASA.

And then they air the preview for the next episode...

I had a feeling Knux would take issue with that. I had been warning about this; yet ya guys still leave yourselves open to be astonished. :D


The whole episode was nice though. The Junior Detectives seem like a nice addition. I do think its weird that only Rachel is worried about the fact that Jimmy is worried.

You mean, that Jimmy is missing? Well, Jimmy has proven to handle living alone for 3 years, and even the police and the media respect his worldly abilities. So they know he can take care of himself. Plus, Dr. Agasa could vouch for him, and he could just call the school for an extended leave to do some important work. With the voice-changer, he could also now just call anybody who is worried and tell them he's OK.

Rachel, being the girl that she is, just feels in her heart that there's still something wrong. Female intuition or lovesick baby? You decide. :anime:


I only seen the first episode forgot about it tonight. but I think the Big shrink was alright. cant beleive this show has over 300+ episodes.

Would you believe week-in week-out it garners around 20 in the ratings, even at 300+ eps? It's one of the highest rated Japanese TV shows, much less anime - even kicks popular Inuyasha's butt! :D

Thing is, it's really a family show at a family timeslot (IIRC, 7:30pm ?). Everybody can just sit down around dinnertime and watch it. It's made to be accessible.


The position of the body. This is what threw me, I thought there had to be something more. Wasn't he lying face down when they found him? The coroner should have been able to catch this one by the odd entry angle. Plus, it's one of those things that goes so well in fiction, but I'd expect it'd be just as likely he would only wound himself, bad.

The suicider most likely didn't die instantly from the knife. He likely keeled over before dying from loss of blood.

And yeah, maybe the coroner might find some clues (who knows, there are many ways to be stabbed from the back), but Conan's ability is to close the case as immediately and provenly as possible.

[Cheesecake]

Why do people get sp pissed f about name changes? like it matters, what difference does it make if you call him Jimmy or shinischi..whatever the original name was * maybe it was changed because its unpronouncable*^^

[Sketch]

Egads I did it again!

I pop in a tape for Conan at 11:15 while I watched part of Futurama, then I go to bed, I wake up in the middle of the night to adjust my sheets, covers, and pillows and I look at the clock and BAM! it's 3:30. So I head down stairs turn on the tube and watch my Conan. I'm starting to worry about this... No one man should be drawn to a television show this much. Especially when I never manage to catch the first live feed... always the second.

Great episode. I like the bowtie. I hate that Rachel is sad... and she'll find no real comfort for a very long time. :( At least she still has Jimmy in her heart and standing next to her about yea high.

[shinji7162]

But Funimation made the decision to change names, not CN and Williams.
Of course, they did, or at least the executive producers at Funimation made the call on this. (With the input of Tokyo Movie Shinsa, the creators of the anime, and the executives at the Cartoon Network-- who you would expect would have a lot of input with Funimation on how to sell the show.)

Funimation wanted this show on Cartoon Network-- as it has been Funimation's partner of choice to get shows on cable TV.

You are also correct in that Funimation could have just made a literal English dub with only Japanese names and give the TV rights to a more literal English dub with the Japanese names to Anime Network. However, it is a judgment call on what would sell best-- would it go best on Anime Network's Video on Demand/linear broadcast systems-- (Keep in mind that not every cable system has Anime Network yet, and Anime Network is not available on satellite yet), or would it be better to put it on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim, where it would get the widest possible access (and the best chance of fans taping it on VCRs or watching it at the time slots broadcast.)

Funimation made the call-- let's hope that it is the best call for this title. It is not the best call for every anime title, however. At least Funimation pays attention on being an anime company that is trying to broaden interest in anime, not on being a company trying to sell to only a kids market.

I would be more upset if an English translated manga version of Detective Conan changed the names, as that would violate the manga artist's vision of the story. English translated manga should keep the Japanese names, with a notation of who they are if the English dubbed anime version changed the names. For that reason, I like the English translated manga of Shaman King, even though I do not appreciate 4Kids's call on the Shaman King anime.

[Sketch]

The names in the manga should be safe given that they didnt' even change the names in Dragonball Z from the originals. They still call Roshi, Muten Roshi.

[Jaguar]

Meh. I missed Monday and Tuesday's eps but saw Wednesday's. I really don't know what to think of the show. It wasn't mindnumbingly horrible but it wasn't 'OMG how exszxiting!!!1' though either. Whatever. I guess I'll watch it because I'll need something to keep me occupied and it sure beats reruns.

[livingfruitvirus]

Funimation wanted this show on Cartoon Network-- as it has been Funimation's partner of choice to get shows on cable TV.

You are also correct in that Funimation could have just made a literal English dub with only Japanese names and give the TV rights to a more literal English dub with the Japanese names to Anime Network. However, it is a judgment call on what would sell best-- would it go best on Anime Network's Video on Demand/linear broadcast systems-- (Keep in mind that not every cable system has Anime Network yet, and Anime Network is not available on satellite yet), or would it be better to put it on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim, where it would get the widest possible access (and the best chance of fans taping it on VCRs or watching it at the time slots broadcast.)
Sometimes I wish FUNimation would just get away from CN and go to some other channel for one of their shows. It feels like since FUNimation wants to market the hell out of EVERY ONE of their properties, so much they want Cartoon Network to broadcast their shows because they reach 86.4 million households, whereas they find other current networks that are broadcasting anime unacceptable because most of them are barely reaching HALF of what CN targets. Look at the current contenders who are actively buying up anime properties for broadcast -

Cartoon Network - 86,000,000
Tech TV - 44,000,000
MTV2 - 50,000,000 (well they aired Heat Guy J)
Showtime Beyond - 22,000,000
Showtime Next - 22,000,000
Encore Action - 28,000,000
I-Channel - 35,000,000

So far every one of FUNimation's properties that have aired went to that network on the top. FUNi has owned Fruits Basket and Tenchi GXP for a while now, and why aren't they on TV? It might be because CN probably passed on those shows (I mean comon, where will they put Fruits Basket?), and FUNimation views CN and their households and mass marketing power as their best resource, so if they sold their property to one of the other networks on that list, they'd just feel it was a wasted opportunity.

As for other networks, ABC Family appears to have lost interest except for their 2 fad shows. Speed Vision is exclusive to racing and car anime. FoxBox is owned by 4Kids Entertainment. The only other possible contender is the WB Network reaching 108,000,000 homes, but to get your anime series on that network takes a lot of fighting and a lot of pushing because Kids WB is surrounded by a 50 foot thick electric golden wall that only lets 1 anime in every once in a while, and even THEN it might get canned immediately (Astro Boy).

[Juu-kuchi]

This is the first time I've watched Case Closed. It seems to be a very interesting show. Nice episode tonight, although I did not think the music really fit the mood or something like such. Everytime I heard it, it seemed so out of proportion or something. I liked the touch that while Conan is a kid, he still thinks with Jimmy Kudo's voice.

The only problem I may have is committing to this show and the basis of it. The show is about a kid who is a detective that fights crime, however he has to find the men in black that made him a kid. Problem is, it's 300+ episodes, and he STILL has not found a way to get himself back to his former self and end the series. How long can one adult take being a kid, and how long can my patience hold out hoping for the show to make a dramatic end with him reverting to his former body?

That's really just me rambling about the basis of the series and how long it takes Conan to find out about it. But for what it's worth, I'll continue watching it. I found myself amused that they were probably using the Japanese names for the pop stars as well as other people, but the main characters have American names. Oh well.

And damn those kids are small.

[Killtacular]

The only problem I may have is committing to this show and the basis of it. The show is about a kid who is a detective that fights crime, however he has to find the men in black that made him a kid. Problem is, it's 300+ episodes, and he STILL has not found a way to get himself back to his former self and end the series. How long can one adult take being a kid, and how long can my patience hold out hoping for the show to make a dramatic end with him reverting to his former body?
This is like saying "How come Batman never finds the person who murdered his parents?"

[lostrune]

Somewhat vaguely spoilerish (though we may not encounter for a while), but don't worry, the geniune spoilers are properly blacked out. :)

The first 100+ eps of Conan are mostly standalone eps, but from about #200 on, 2- and 3-parters and more story arcs creep in. If ya want to know more about Case Closed, ya can read the thread here (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=U2Tsc.33847%24tb4.1165575%40news20.bellglobal.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3D%26num%3D10%26as_scoring%3Dr%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF-8%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26as_epq%3D%26as_oq%3D%26as_eq%3D%26as_ugroup%3D%26as_usubject%3D%26as_uauthors%3D%26as_umsgid%3DU2Tsc.33847%2524tb4.1165575%2540news20.bellglobal.com%26lr%3D%26as_drrb%3Dq%26as_qdr%3D%26as_mind%3D12%26as_minm%3D5%26as_miny%3D1981%26as_maxd%3D27%26as_maxm%3D5%26as_maxy%3D2004%26safe%3Dimages), particularly the posts of that Dave Baranyi guy, though watch out for spoilers (though properly warned by the appropriate "spoiler space").

Note:
Jimmy = Shin'ichi
Rachel = Ran
Det. Moore = Mouri
Amy = Ayumi
And any bracket below is my insertion.

Here are some things he said:

Never-the-less, it is still amazing that it keeps on going for so many
years. That is due in great part to the fact that it becomes a character
story about half way into the second season. Also, intelligent adults are
added in later seasons to give Conan a foil.
(And sometimes Mouri [Det. Moore] isn't just a goof.)

And here (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=Xns94F5BEFE68402joikawa%40198.80.55.250&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3D%26num%3D10%26as_scoring%3Dr%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF-8%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26as_epq%3D%26as_oq%3D%26as_eq%3D%26as_ugroup%3D%26as_usubject%3D%26as_uauthors%3D%26as_umsgid%3DXns94F5BEFE68402joikawa%2540198.80.55.250%26lr%3D%26as_drrb%3Dq%26as_qdr%3D%26as_mind%3D12%26as_minm%3D5%26as_miny%3D1981%26as_maxd%3D27%26as_maxm%3D5%26as_maxy%3D2004%26safe%3Dimages') is a reason why it's on Adult Swim:
If Conan drinks alcohol, the effects of the drug he was given wears off
temporarily and he can return to being Shinichi, although it does put a
strain on his body to do that.
In Toonami, that would've been tea. ;)

Furthermore, here (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=qlbtc.45536%24tb4.1511682%40news20.bellglobal.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3D%26num%3D10%26as_scoring%3Dr%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF-8%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26as_epq%3D%26as_oq%3D%26as_eq%3D%26as_ugroup%3D%26as_usubject%3D%26as_uauthors%3D%26as_umsgid%3Dqlbtc.45536%2524tb4.1511682%2540news20.bellglobal.com%26lr%3D%26as_drrb%3Dq%26as_qdr%3D%26as_mind%3D12%26as_minm%3D5%26as_miny%3D1981%26as_maxd%3D27%26as_maxm%3D5%26as_maxy%3D2004%26safe%3Dimages') is what Dave Baranyi has to say:

> - Any progress on catching, or at least resolving the situation with the people
> who got him in his predicament? At least just what it is they were doing? (I
> doubt such resolution would necessarily lead to a "cure," and thus the end of
> the series as it is)
>

No, in fact the whole business with [Person A] and [Person B] drives the long term
underlying plot. There is a big tangled web here, which ends up involving US
agents abroad, international secrets and crime organizations and more. And
nothing has been resolved in any great detail yet. [Person A] and [Person B] are still
on the loose and don't know that Shin'ichi has become Conan, but they've
come close to finding out a few times. And recently one of their nominal
"allies" has found out, but no one trusts each other. So currently, a few
more people have found out that Conan is Shin'ichi, which makes life even
more dangerous for Shin'ichi, but he hasn't found out the true extent of
either his enemies nor his possible allies.

What is interesting about the series is that the main plot developments are
spaced between more traditional detective stories, with the occasional
"Detective Boys" episode in the mix to keep the smaller kids happy. (This
show gets adult, prime-time sponsors, not kid's show sponsors, which is a
good indication of the broadness of the audience appeal in Japan.)

BTW - Conan does find out a couple of ways that he can temporarily revert to
his adult self, but one of those ways is a one-time thing only, and the
other is very, very dangerous.

> - When you say "character story," any way you could elaborate? (if you did
> spoiler space, go ahead and spoil away!)
>

The story is driven by the relationships between the main characters, and in
the past few years by a number of newer characters who have joined the
regular cast. Whereas most of the characters are just caricactures in the
early episodes, they eventually flesh out a lot. And the character dynamics
change. For example, during the first couple of years, the issue of Ran
wondering where Shin'ichi has gone, and being suspicious of Conan is a major
point. But that has died out to a good extent in the past few years. So the
romantic drive in the past couple of years has been due to two cops - a very
sharp lady detective and a not quite so sharp but very nice guy detective.
(You won't see them for quite a while yet.)


I think that this was a very smart move on Goushou Aoyama's part, otherwise
the "impossible romance" between Ran and age-shifted Shin'ichi would have
gotten really "old" by now. As it is, the anime does leave in brief littel
scenes to remind the audience of Ran's devotion, but I'm betting that those
are just there to keep the gradeschool girl part of the audience interested.


And the big character driver has
been Conan's relationship with another "age-shifter" who has little reason
to trust Conan nor to like him, but they are thrown together by circumstance
anyway. And BTW - Conan soon realizes that there are significant liabilities
in being a little kid in the detective business - he does occasionally spend
moments of total terror and fear for his life because of his situation.

The show's real strength is in the depth and recognizability of the
supporting cast. For example, Shin'ichi's parents (who you won't meet for
quite some time), are sort of a Nick and Nora Charles (from "The Thin Man")
couple. His father is a very successful detective novelist and his mother is
a famous and beautiful semi-retired actress. Ran's father Kogorou [Det. Moore] isn't as
much of a fool as he is portrayed in the early episodes, and he and
Shin'ichi have a lot more in common than either of them would want to admit.
BTW - the women in this show tend to be "women not girls" - for example
Ran's mom is a very successful criminal defense lawyer and like Shin'ichi's
mom, is very capable and confident.

Even the "Detective Boys" - Genta, Mitsuhiko and Ayumi [Amy] develop and grow with
the series, although they always remain quite convincing little kids. (Yeah,
I know, "Detective Boys" is a misnomer with Ayumi in the gang, but hey - who
am I to argue with Goushou Aoyama?)

BTW - I've both read the manga stories and seen the majority of the TV
episodes, and I tend to feel that the TV series does a very good job at
extending beyond the limitations of the manga. It also helps that they have
a great, experienced voice acting crew who have been together for the entire
length of the series. (BTW - a bit of trivia - the voice actor who does
Kogoro did the voice of Mendou Shoutaro in Urusei Yatsura some 20 years
ago.)


In the TV series the "is he or isn't he" question was put on the back burner
around the episode when Shin'ichi's mom showed up to save his bacon when Ran
was about to use her judo skills to get him to talk. (I wonder of the US TV
version will leave in the brief flashback when Shin'ichi remembers how he
has let Ran take him, as "Conan", into baths with her. Ran's potential
vengence to that is more than enough reason for Shin'ichi to stay
away...<L>)

And the last major return to that theme came in the episodes when Haibara
first gave Shin'ichi the partial antidote and disguised herself as Conan in
order to get rid of Ran's suspiscians of "Why isn't Clark Kent around
whenever Superman is around". (That scene in the restaurant between Ran and
Shin'ichi-turned-back-to Conan is on of my favorites in the series - it
showed very well how anime can take a well-done part of a manga and use film
techniques to make it unforgetable.)


As I mentioned, many of these are vague spoilers and stuff we won't be encountering for awhile, but if something is too much, let me know or ask a mod to spoiler box it. :cool: