C&C - Anything Else/Cards [5/22 - 5/27]

[The Landstander]

:rolleyes:

[Tienshin]

OMG YES! BRITTLE BULLET!

:cool:

[Mr. Pedro]

OMG YES! BRITTLE BULLET!

:cool:
I concur fully.

Ahhhh.......Gunfights, Lupin, Nazis, Simulated popcicle sex, South park, playboy bunny outfit, a gigantic phallic symbol, vintage guitars, what is there not to love?

Hmmm. Big o's back. Looks like we're only getting one Inuyasha tonight.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

I'm with you guys yay for Brittle Bullet! it really is the episode with everything!

somehow I don't think Big O will get a full saturday run but for now its good to have back! http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Mr. Pedro]

For what it's worth, with the exception of Inuyasha, each of tonight's ASA shows involved at least one character getting shot.

Brittle Bullet indeed.:D

[Perfect Cell]

Brittle Bullet by far my favorite episode from my favorite anime :) It had everything in it... Close to perfect

Seing the Lupin homage again though made me miss Lupin! Wish Adult Swim would bring it back

[PeppeRaskell1]

FLCL is a straaaaange brew, indeed.

Did anyone see the South Park homage in tonight's episode?

[lostrune]

"Do you know the cause of death?"

"We're pretty sure it's the knife on the back."

:D

[livingfruitvirus]

Another Entertainment Weekly article?

[Lord Dalek]

FLCL is a straaaaange brew, indeed.

Did anyone see the South Park homage in tonight's episode?Yeah, Lupin homage was better.

"Not all robots are cyborgs!"

[Rabi~en~Rose]

lol this topics title was mentioned on the card just before Birdman

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=111459

goes to show they are still watching us!

edit! the new Brak is back commercial is painful! I liked his show but I'm starting to wish it wasn't back http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Lord Dalek]

OMG! KBlueBiG is a celebrity! AUGHHHHH!

[Anime Freak]

Lol! Tienshin is a bad guy now for closing that topic which was mentioned on adult swim!

[Eddie G.]

You know I like the shorter Dr. Weird intros, but that is one of the funnier or plaing funniest intros. Actually it may be one of my personal favorites. There is something a little funny about the topic they mentioned, certain irony about some of our complaints. And there is something funny about the episode showed afterwards... and them watching us.

[Chad Bonin]

They are not kidding; (seemingly) George Lowe voices every other radio commercial.

It's really wierd to hear Space Ghost talk about "fast, effective relief that lasts a lifetime!".

[Tienshin]

Lol! Tienshin is a bad guy now for closing that topic which was mentioned on adult swim!

I said we'd revisit it. Voila!

[Rabi~en~Rose]

its the cards birthday?? already? :eek: wow who knew? http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Anime Freak]

Any ratings yet?

[SirLemming]

I still love Brak's songs in "Mobab".

FLCL is a straaaaange brew, indeed.

Did anyone see the South Park homage in tonight's episode?Who'd miss it?

Although it might be easy to miss the second homage, when Naota is with Mamimi by the riverside. He gets his hood up and suddenly he has no mouth and big Kenny eyes, and he tries to talk but it's high-pitched and muffled, like Kenny's voice.


And yes, that episode is just... wow. Pure insanity.

[Killtacular]

I worry about that one card that basically implies Clay Croker and George Lowe are not currently employed by CN.

I guess those 6 episodes of Space Ghost are just a false hope now..

[Nin-Nin69]

Hey they just bashed ASA again. Bazing!

[Chad Bonin]

Wait, what card implies Lowe doesn't work for CN?

If it's the "He does radio commercials" thing... he's been doing that for years now.

[Delthayre]

Hey they just bashed ASA again. Bazing!
G-ddammn, and I missed it.

I like to keep up on these passive-aggressive internecine warfare things.

[Nin-Nin69]

Now they just covered up their tracks.

Oh look the ratings were even better than ASC. I wonder why.:rolleyes:

[Anime Freak]

Whats the ratings like?

[Cyber E.]

ASA Ratings (feel free to correct):

INUYASHA - 376,000.
WOLF'S RAIN - 269,000.
FLCL - 286,000.

[William C. Maune]

Even better? ASC was higher by at least an average of 200,000.

[Eddie G.]

Comedy infusion? Would that mean having Sundays and Saturdays be both comedy and action?

[Rabi~en~Rose]

yeah not even dumb old IY came close to touching ASC's stuff


seriously considering a comedy infusion

[just so you know]


there can be only NONE day safe from ASC! which wouldn't be so bad if Sunday had some action but it won't so......

Futurama

Sat - Thurs

[adult comedy]

http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[William C. Maune]

Comedy infusion? Would that mean having Sundays and Saturdays be both comedy and action?

If Saturday ratings don't perk up they'll have to do something to keep Adult Swim on Saturdays. CN Ad Sales wanted Saturday for sellable non-adult ad time, yet Adult Swim was able to convince them to give ASA a go on Saturdays. Thus, unless Adult Swim delivers ratings on Saturday they will likely lose the slot, probably to Toonami since that was planned for a little while. (Not debating the pros and cons of Toonami here, just stating the likely scenario of low Saturday AS ratings).

[Chad Bonin]

If they infuse comedy... the whole point of ASA will have been wasted, and we'd essentially have 5 Weekday AS and 1 Special Sunday ASC, compared to the earlier 4 Weekday AS and 1 Special AS... yeah, some shows are gonna get more run into the ground.

[William C. Maune]

With a Saturday comedy infusion, they could make the last Sunday hour back to action again, basically trading an hour on Saturday for an hour on Sunday. Unfortunately, Home Movies might lose out in that scenario (and Mission Hill also although we've seen that one a lot, still great though!).

[Chad Bonin]

With a Saturday comedy infusion, they could make the last Sunday hour back to action again, basically trading an hour on Saturday for an hour on Sunday. Unfortunately, Home Movies might lose out in that scenario (and Mission Hill also although we've seen that one a lot, still great though!).In that situation... you've still got a 6-days-a-week Adult Swim... knowing their scheduling skills, that'd mean Cowboy Bebop 6 days a week...

[Rabi~en~Rose]

what new stuff would Toonami put on past 11 anyway? certainly nothing that could top IY's ratings

oh well Baby Blues! first time I ever saw it. not to bad. babys are so cute :) http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[William C. Maune]

knowing their scheduling skills, that'd mean Cowboy Bebop 6 days a week...

Maybe, they do really like the show, however, I think the last hour would likely get bumped off Saturday. It'd probably be something like:

Family Guy
Futurama
Inu Yasha
Wolf's Rain
Witch Hunter Robin
Big O

Family Guy and Futurama would give them the much needed and fairly guaranteed ratings boost and the rest of the Saturday line up would finally be distinct. Although then we'd probably just get CB and Trigun back on Sundays. I can hope for otherwise though, weekends should be different. Assuming it became action, they could use the last hour on Sundays for another WHR and Big O episodes or Inu Yasha and Wolf's Rain encores. (Or if we got really lucky Lupin and another show we haven't seen for awhile)

[William C. Maune]

what new stuff would Toonami put on past 11 anyway? certainly nothing that could top IY's ratings

Nope, probably couldn't top IY's 18-34 ratings and there probably wouldn't be anything new at that hour. However, they wouldn't be targeting the 18-34 demo any more because it would go back to sellable non-adult air time, what the ad sales division originally wanted. For Adult Swim's sake, hopefully they can turn things around though.

[Chad Bonin]

what new stuff would Toonami put on past 11 anyway?A certain manslayer and a team of nine cyborgs. Not saying it'd do better than ASA, but it is something with new episodes Toonami could run.

Anyways, if Comedy comes to Saturdays (Has AS Comedy ever been on Saturdays?), I have a feeling it'd consist of (times easily swappable)

Saturday
11:00 Family Guy (to parallel Sunday's 11.0 Futurama)
11:30 The Brak Show
11:45 Sealab 2021
12:00 Space Ghost Coast 2 Coast
12:15 Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law (Last week's)
12:30 Inuyasha (New)
1:00 Wolf's Rain (New)
1:30 Witch Hunter Robin

With Sundays becoming
11:00 Futurama
11:30 Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law (New)
11:45 Sealab 2021
12:00 Aqua Teen Hunger Force (New)
12:15 Space Ghost Coast 2 Coast
12:30 Inuyasha (Instant-Rerun)
1:00 Cowboy Bebop
1:30 Big O

[Rabi~en~Rose]

depending on when they add comedy to saturday I don't think they would give any time to action on sundays. Venture Bros will probably kick Futurama off sundays but they just brought back Brak and two other shows and I don't think they would show them the door so soon for action :( http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Eddie G.]

I really hope that if they do infuse the two that Inuyahsa and Wolf's Rain still have an early time slot, there are better ways of doing the shows but AS just has to divide things up. If Wolf's Rain were to go to weekdays with Inuyasha taking a 12:00 time slot, then either Wolf's Rain or Case Closed will be more or less damned at a 1:00 timeslot.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

if Toonami does take back over saturday this could be the perfect reason to dump IY onto it! Toonami practically advertises it anyway so just kind of keeping it on at 11 saturdays without making a fuss about it could be nice! wouldn't have to do any extra editting and it takes care of the reruns......forever! http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[William C. Maune]

I can't see Adult Swim dumping Inu Yasha on Toonami. It is practically their biggest action show and it has been on Adult Swim for too long now.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

I can't see Adult Swim dumping Inu Yasha on Toonami. It is practically their biggest action show and it has been on Adult Swim for too long now.

how long is to long?

how long is forever?

I am forever!

IY is forever!

on Toonami :)


okay now I'm just being silly!

anyone sad that HM gets the ASC-visual vocab cards? I like them better then the action ones yeah but AS needs to choose between card cards and visual ones. watch out for the car full of elk!! http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[PaQ]

lol. Rabi. Good stuff. :D

I did want to say that last night's Trigun was just so crazy. First time I'd seen it, I believe that was the last episode of the series..

Great action between Knives and Vash, how similar their movements were. And then how their weapons counteracted each other but right when Knives seemingly got the advantage, with both weapons, Vash hearing Wolfwood's voice was a nice touch. Vash using the cross gun was just cool.

The flashbacks were great, showing the history between Knives and Vash. I'm sorta confused if Knives is still alive or not, but a great ending nonetheless. Great series.

On tonight's stuff:

"Luck of the Fryish" is such a good episode. That ending is so touching, with Fry's realization of how much Yancy cared for him, just awesome. The lucky clover being in the Breakfast Club album.. is funny because the Breakfast Club was on earlier today.

lol this topics title was mentioned on the card just before Birdman

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=111459

goes to show they are still watching us! ....
I saw that card.. Pretty interesting. and cool. :D

[Wounded_Dragon]

Infusion of comedy?...this is exactly what network television does wrong these days. I guess it's no surprise CN follows suit.

Saturday AS is the ... child right now. The launch was rather botched. First they had it, then they didn't. There's only 1 new hour of stuff.

Even if most've it was crap and/or edited for Toonami, at least the first ASA started out with more new shows.

Personally, I think Family Guy and Futurama has given the people in charge who favor ASC swelled heads. It's not the ASC shows that put them on the map, but they tend to forget that...

[Tapout]

What are the numbers on Gundam Seed? I doubt they're as good as Inuyasha so extending Toonami won't do much. I know more endless reruns of Cartoon Cartoons aren't gonna do it. Short of Futurama/Family Guy I don't think anything's going to do better than ASA.

[William C. Maune]

What are the numbers on Gundam Seed? I doubt they're as good as Inuyasha so short of Futurama/Family Guy I don't think anything's going to do better than ASA.

Cartoon Network hasn't released any numbers for Gundam SEED. It would be hard to compare them to numbers for Inu Yasha anyway since Inu Yasha targets those 18 and older while Gundam SEED targets those 17 and younger.

[livingfruitvirus]

What were the comedy ratings? I fell asleep.

[Beat]

Not sure...

Anyway, it really seems like they've turned up the anime bashing as of late. Of course, it might help if Sealab was funny again.

[Swordfish_II]

What were the comedy ratings? I fell asleep. I think Family Guy was in first with about 580,000. I forgot the other numbers/shows, but the #3 show was above 500,000.

[Viceroy]

What were the comedy ratings? I fell asleep.
Family Guy - 580,000
Futurama - 558,000
Sealab - 537,000

[Beat]

It seems the only anime WS likes is Superdimensional Fortress Macross. Expect them to buy the right's to Harmony Gold's masters and make their own dub at this rate...:rolleyes:

(This is comprised from cards and other things found at the forums.)

[Killtacular]

There are so many things wrong here.

1: RATINGS!!! AKA, WE HATE ANNIE MAY

Excuse me, Adult Swim, but take a gander at your Sunday night ratings when Family Guy or Futurama do not lead the block. Yeah, ahuh. I thought so. Adult Swim Sundays get equal or lesser ratings than Saturdays when all that's at the center is Williams Street shows. ASC has almost always had 250,000-350,000 viewers over the past few months. Adult Swim Action just the other week posted 500,000 18-34 viewers. And that was with the same schedule we have now. But no, WS would pretend that week never happened, because they're all too willing to let this block shrivel up and die just so they can stick Futurama so far up people's asses that Zoidberg ends up cutting up all of their internal organs.

2: ACTION IS JUST NOT WORKING, AKA, WE HATE ANNIE MAY

Gee, uh, I wonder why people didn't know about Saturdays.

Perhaps it's because.. uh..

And this might be a shot in the dark, but.


Maybe.


It's because.


YOU DON'T PROMOTE IT.

How much promotion did Animatrix get? A couple of days!! THE ANI FARKING MATRIX. How much would TNT promote it if they aired it? I guarantee you there'd be ad spots all over for several weeks. Only on Cartoon Network could something from THE MATRIX be poorly promoted.

There are no general purpose "Adult Swim Action" ads like there was in 2002. Wolf's Rain now only has ads on Saturday nights. They NEVER show an ad for anime during the comedy hour (GEE I WONDER WHY).


3: COMEDY INFUSION

This is just an excuse for AS to hide anime into the dark corner of the night like they've always wanted to do, and always will do. The only reason Big O aired in such precious real estate is because Cartoon Network paid for production. Yeah, good luck getting that to happen again.

Is ATHF higher rated than Inuyasha? I'm just going to flat out say NO. But they're going to keep it there just to further sweep the "action" portion under the rug.

If Saturday gets a "comedy infusion", who wins? Comedy. If Sunday gets an "action infusion", who wins? Comedy. They'd never put Comedy at 12:30-2:00 and have the Action at 11:00-12:30. Because that's not the underlying motive in "boosting Saturday Night".

Sometimes I just wonder that AS may try to remove anime entirely by 2006. I think it just may happen.

[blitzkrieg]

It would also be a lot more interesting to compare the rating shares of shows on ASA to ASC.

[herbkir]

AS seems to be under pressure to produce instant spectacular results on Saturdays. Heaven knows what they told the CN suits in order to get late Saturdays away from Toonami and its "non-adult" ad time.

It sounds like they anticipated half-million-viewer nights from the get-go and it hasn't happened. But the Saturday action series have been running for only 4 weeks where comedy has been running on Sundays for months now. And Saturdays historically have been the weakest night for TV ratings in general.

So they need to give Saturday action a reasonable chance to pick up. They shouldn't already be dismissing it as a loser. Having more exclusive content would help, even if it's reruns of anime already in the inventory. And, as mentioned above, they also need to promote Saturday action aggressively.

But maybe some of the new Saturday Toonami shows also have been something of a ratings disappointment. The only show-specific Toonami ratings I've seen have been for Megas XLR and those were for preteens, not the teenagers for whom Toonami supposedly is being targeted. (Megas, by the way, is a terrific show.)

Again, if ratings numbers are the only factor to consider, then the numbers indicate that AS should drop action anime altogether and just run endless comedies. They'd lose a lot of viewers that way (me included), but maybe would easily replace the defectors with a new influx of comedy fans.

Comedy has an advantage over anime: It's episodic so you can miss one or several episodes and not be lost. And new viewers can join the show at any time. The big problem with an all-comedy AS schedule is the relative scarcity of suitable adult-level animated comedy. They'd have to produce their own, big time. (^_*)

[Rabi~en~Rose]

that is something to think about! someone pushed hard for ASA Saturdays so some people in WS must care about it. I am guessing none of them are in the ad department though :( http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Duke]

From the way they sound in the cards, Williams Street does care about anime and do want ASA to succeed (hence why they keep pushing it in the cards). However, I doubt WS is in charge of when and where their commercials air, and whoever is in charge might not have liked ASA in the first place. Thankfully, Case Closed got a ton of ads over the weekend, but still...

[livingfruitvirus]

Sometimes I just wonder that AS may try to remove anime entirely by 2006. I think it just may happen.
I wouldn't mind.

[Spastic Minnow]

It hasn't been mentioned here yet, but I figure if they lost Satuday they'd just do what they were planning on before. ASA on Thursday.

[Beat]

I wouldn't mind.
I just hope G4TechTV has a powerful anime presence by then.

[Wounded_Dragon]

From the way they sound in the cards, Williams Street does care about anime and do want ASA to succeed (hence why they keep pushing it in the cards). However, I doubt WS is in charge of when and where their commercials air, and whoever is in charge might not have liked ASA in the first place. Thankfully, Case Closed got a ton of ads over the weekend, but still...
How does removing any hint of anime from the general AS promo (which supposedly promotes the whole timeslot S-Th 11-2 and once upon a time did at least have Big O) show they care?

How does not acknowledging Saturdays in the schedule cards show they care?

Though this isn't exclusive to anime, how does, as Matt said, waiting till the 11th hour to promote new programming show that they care?

About the only sign I can see is that they stopped using Letter night to bash IY fans (they still do, but they do other things now too)

[Eddie G.]

It hasn't been mentioned here yet, but I figure if they lost Satuday they'd just do what they were planning on before. ASA on Thursday.If there really is a feeling against anime at WS like there seems to be then what would happen is they would use the ratings drop caused by Inuyasha and Wolf Rain (maybe Case Closed) replacing main stream heavy hitters Family Guy and Futurama against it.

You know I think I agree with Matt when said that anime might be gone by 2006. I can already see a situation where it would be pushed back to 1-2 a.m. filler on a Sunday-Thursday schedule by '05. Not bloody likely, but it kind of scares me.

This all really deserves its own topic.

[Obi]

Understatement of the day: Adult Swim needs new management.

[Swordfish_II]

Understatement of the day: Adult Swim needs new management.
I can be in Atlanta in 3 hours.:evil:

[PaQ]

I wholeheartedly agree with Matt's post.

It's disturbing, annoying the apparent dislike of anime. There better be no comedy infusion.. I'm starting to get sick and tired of Futurama and Family Guy.. No need for more of it.

The first week in awhile that Sunday gets superb ratings like that and they go out of their way to point it out..

Where's the damn ASA promotions!!!

WS disgusts me. :(

[William C. Maune]

WS disgusts me. :(

Williams St. may have its issues, but they still show more adult anime than any other outlet on television. Considering how little we actually know, that seems a little harsh. There's nothing wrong with asking for change, but at the same time we can't forget what we do have.

[Discloner]

Eh, I will agree that I'm disappointed with WS's recent Advertisment campaign when it comes to Action Anime.

However, I honestly don't believe their going out of their way just to kill Anime and get comedy to another day...

The whole 'AS PURPOSFULLY DOES THINGS JUST TO PISS US OFF' conspiricy has yet to win me over. I don't believe their out to get us...and I don't believe they do things just for their own gain. That whole argument has grown tiring, and I want to say I'm suprised it was brought up here as well...but in all honesty I'm not.

Anyone stop to think that an 'infusion of Comedy' could save the particular block from total cancellation? Did anyone stop think that 'comedy' could be comedic anime?

I can never cease to be amused as William Street's inability to do things right, atleast when it comes to fans. I'd go on a whole rant about other blocks outside Cartoon Network that do what WS does for the fans (is there even one out there?), but I'm sure none of you care. Everyone just wants to point a finger.

[Obi]

Anyone stop to think that an 'infusion of Comedy' could save the particular block from total cancellation?

Promoting it might work too.

[Eddie G.]

Eh, I will agree that I'm disappointed with WS's recent Advertisment campaign when it comes to Action Anime. I think that is the main problem most people are having. Why Case Closed got equal ad time as repeats of The Brak Show is beyond me. Forget if WS is evil or good or evil, this is still annoying.

However, I honestly don't believe their going out of their way just to kill Anime and get comedy to another day...Like Disney wasn't trying to kill their 2-D movies, not saying you're wrong, just saying it isn't that unlikely.

FYI A thread exists discussing the current topic, maybe we should direct this conversation to that thread.

[livingfruitvirus]

Did everyone forget that Witch Hunter Robin got very good promotion? Ads in all the hours including 10 PM. In that case I guess that people chose not to watch after seeing it.

[~square~]

yes, home movies returns...was i the only one who stayed up to watch it? then again, i dont live in the eastern standerd time zone, so it was only 12:30.

but alas, they are from the 4th season. boo...whore.

so yeah, whatever happened to space ghost?

woo! Brak is Back!

and Bably Blues!
"God loves you"
"He has to"

and Mission Hill!

i forgot how much a really love Mission Hill.

so, I think Adult Swim Summer Sundays, or ASSS as I like to call it, will be pretty good.

oh and:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BUMPS!

[PaQ]

Williams St. may have its issues, but they still show more adult anime than any other outlet on television. Considering how little we actually know, that seems a little harsh. There's nothing wrong with asking for change, but at the same time we can't forget what we do have.
You're probably right, it was a bit harsh.. But.. it's just how i feel. I can't help it lately but I'm strongly agreeing with Matt on a lot of things, especially about WS and their handling of AS anime.. Yeah we don't know the whole story, but just seeing that ratings for sunday being high for once, so they take the opportunity to take a shot at Saturday..

Anyone stop to think that an 'infusion of Comedy' could save the particular block from total cancellation? Did anyone stop think that 'comedy' could be comedic anime?
And about the comedy infusion on Saturdays.. why it's bad.. Where do you think the comedy would be put? .. to start off the block most likely, bumping the anime back and giving the new stuff less of a chance to get high ratings due to the later slot and not to mention bumping/keeping off anime that hasn't been seen in a long while.. Like Big O, Reign, Kikaider, Lupin.. With how AS acts with anime.. I seriously doubt we'd see comedic anime coming anytime soon. I'd be pleasantly surprised if that's what they meant, but knowing how they've acted, I doubt it.

Did everyone forget that Witch Hunter Robin got very good promotion? Ads in all the hours including 10 PM. In that case I guess that people chose not to watch after seeing it.
True, but they're doing the same thing with Case Closed now. The thing in common with both is they're both getting weekly runs. So I think that's a bad example.. Most of the stuff on Saturday isn't properly promoted, with the exception for awhile was Inuyasha since it would promote the new episodes during the weekly rerun, but now that that is gone, I doubt we'll see much of promos for Inuyasha..

[William C. Maune]

but just seeing that ratings for sunday being high for once, so they take the opportunity to take a shot at Saturday..

I really think people are reading too much into that card. I didn't really see it as taking a shot at Saturdays, they were just saying the ratings were up to par. While we did have one good week of ratings, it may be the only good week out of (6?) so far. It took a lot of wrangling for them to get Saturday in the first place, if ratings aren't good they will likely lose it.

[Anime Freak]

Did everyone forget that Witch Hunter Robin got very good promotion? Ads in all the hours including 10 PM. In that case I guess that people chose not to watch after seeing it.
Yeah,and it also got much higher ratings than Inuyasha repeats on weeknights.Guess some people were watching it :rolleyes:

[The Landstander]

Okay, just so we don't have the same thread taking place in two places, please leave the discussion of AS's anime treatment and such in this (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=111868) thread.

Thanks.

[Duke]

How does removing any hint of anime from the general AS promo (which supposedly promotes the whole timeslot S-Th 11-2 and once upon a time did at least have Big O) show they care?
While yes, I do believe they should put some anime in with the general Adult Swim promos, those promos are made with the comedy viewer in mind. ASC IS allowed to have its own promos too...

How does not acknowledging Saturdays in the schedule cards show they care?
How often do they made any schedule promo for anything BUT Saturday nights? And even on Saturday, they usually only show the first half of the schedule.

Though this isn't exclusive to anime, how does, as Matt said, waiting till the 11th hour to promote new programming show that they care?
Oh yes, as we all know, Williams Street hijacks Cartoon Network during Toonami and Adult Swim just so they can not promote their new shows. Williams Street IS NOT in charge of when and where their promos air. They just make 'em. If WS did air them, then they would be in CN's main building, instead of across the street. When have you seen WS actually outright bash an anime on the cards? (And no, making fun of it doesn't count, that's just the MST in all of us talking.)

About the only sign I can see is that they stopped using Letter night to bash IY fans (they still do, but they do other things now too)
Well, they are sick of the IY fangirls (If I worked for WS, I'd be sick of 'em too), so they make fun of them on letters night. How is that bashing anime? Anime fans themselves make fun of various anime fanbases, why can't WS?

[Killtacular]

http://www.adultswim.com/clips/caseclosed/ep01/index.html

Sounds like changed music. :(

Horrible VA for "Jimmy" Kudo. :(

Why did they DBZ this show? Now I don't want them to get One Piece.

[Wounded_Dragon]

While yes, I do believe they should put some anime in with the general Adult Swim promos, those promos are made with the comedy viewer in mind. ASC IS allowed to have its own promos too...
Except that this ISN'T just ASC's promo. The promo clearly states Sunday through Thursday, 11 to 2. Ignoring half of your own block in a promo isn't very smart.

[Beat]

It is for WS.

[Killtacular]

It is for WS.
Come on, Beatdigga, I was hoping to generate some angst from you by showing you that clip that proves Case Closed is DBZed :(

:(




:(

;)

[Beat]

FUNi can't annoy me anymore.

Besides, Detective Jimmy is practically begging to fail on Adult Swim, no matter what was left in.

[Sketch]

They didn't DBZ this show. You know how I can tell? There are quite spots in the BG. That means they didn't change the music. It was always goofy like that... it's a kids show. Everyone knows when FUNi or anyone changes the music to a show that there are NO quiet spots in music.

Was that Chuck Huber (Hiei) as Jimmy? Oye...

I don't think this is gonna work for AS though. What they SHOULD do is take a chance with airing it in a later hour on prime time and give it a little warning before hand. It could be the bridge to getting TVPG content regularly on CN prime time after 10PM or even after 9PM. Putting this on an "adult oriented" block at 12:30 a night is going to kill this show.

Even though I don't think Detective Conan has been DBZed... I still worry about One Piece. It's got too much potential and when something for kids has potential... bad things happen... but hopefully it'll get the YYH treatment and at least retain it's music.

[Killtacular]

They didn't DBZ this show. You know how I can tell? There are quite spots in the BG.
There are quiet spots in the DBZ movies and DBGT too. You just have to look for it.

That means they didn't change the music. It was always goofy like that... it's a kids show.
The show is from 1994, and most copies of the show have very poor music production quality (just take a look at the Conan intro on ASF). The guitarwork in the clip is very clean and crisp, as in, recorded this year. If you want to compare music.. I guess look at Yu Yu Hakusho.. its music is very muffled and hasn't aged well either. And that's ELECTRONIC music, music that should be very easy to remaster, but FUNi isn't good for that.

[Carolina Red]

Right before Harvey Birdman last night they mentioned a website that contains Rush reference in pop culture, and they gave a link to it. I found it, and they did have the "Moving Pictures" reference in there as well as a clip from the show.
Here:
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/RushReferences.htm

[Sketch]

There are quiet spots in the DBZ movies and DBGT too. You just have to look for it.

The show is from 1994, and most copies of the show have very poor music production quality (just take a look at the Conan intro on ASF). The guitarwork in the clip is very clean and crisp, as in, recorded this year. If you want to compare music.. I guess look at Yu Yu Hakusho.. its music is very muffled and hasn't aged well either. And that's ELECTRONIC music, music that should be very easy to remaster, but FUNi isn't good for that.You're probably right about the music then but there are NO quite spots in DBZ movies. The music just gets lower, it never goes away when it should. At least in FUNi's dubbed movies not the Pioneer released ones (which use the original music).

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I'm going to blame this on TMS. Everything I've heard indicates they forced a lot of changes on Funimation for this.

[Killtacular]

I'm going to blame this on TMS. Everything I've heard indicates they forced a lot of changes on Funimation for this.
********. TMS didn't make the changes to Sonic X and they didn't make the changes to "Case Closed". The only reason FUNimation did these changes was to get kids (and disgruntled fans) to buy the DVDs, for their respective reasons. Everything about how the show is described SCREAMS "we wanted this to be huge on Toonami".

[Sketch]

And as usual they are idiots with the long run shows... why must it always be the long run shows that pay? Sigh...

DB was over edited to sell DVD's

Dragonball Z was hacked from the begining

Yu Yu Hakusho was slightly overedited but NEVER SHOULD HAVE been edited to be suitable for 7 year olds. If the viewers in Japan were most likely 10 or 11 then that's about 13 in the US. It was a show meant for teenagers... sigh... now it's doomed to always have edited DVD's that are for little kids. At least an uncut version with the original music is available.

DBGT got worse treament than DBZ because it's the sequel... BAH!

And now Case Closed is being marketed to the wrong audience from the get go while having changes to make it more acceptable for younger viewers... sigh...

I still have hopes for One Piece but they aren't high ones... and Prince of Tennis has nothing to cut but it might go under the knife for westernization anyway. At least the short series are safe... but you can bet I don't want FUNimation to get Naruto.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

********. TMS didn't make the changes to Sonic X and they didn't make the changes to "Case Closed". The only reason FUNimation did these changes was to get kids (and disgruntled fans) to buy the DVDs, for their respective reasons. Everything about how the show is described SCREAMS "we wanted this to be huge on Toonami".
I do find it fishy simply because of the fact that Funimation rarely does these kind of things, and I'd find it especially rare for a show that they were already marketing to Adult Swim. Why would they make changes for kids? Personally, I think companies like TMS and Toei have gotten it in their minds that hack-dubs are the way to go to get the most popularity in the states. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that's why One Piece is taking so long with Funi, or if that's what caused them to lose out on Yu-Gi-Oh!. I mean they never seemed to raise a fuss about what happened to shows such as Digimon, DBZ, and Sailor Moon. Personally, I think while companies like 4Kids are a part of the problem, some blame definitely rests on the Japanese companies shoulders, and given Funi's track record and comments they've made about this, I think this is definitely one of those cases.

[Killtacular]

I do find it fishy simply because of the fact that Funimation rarely does these kind of things, and I'd find it especially rare for a show that they were already marketing to Adult Swim. Why would they make changes for kids?
Because maybe they had Toonami in mind when they pitched the series to Cartoon Network. They do not have control over which block to put the show on and they certainly did not say "We want this on Adult Swim."

Personally, I think companies like TMS and Toei have gotten it in their minds that hack-dubs are the way to go to get the most popularity in the states.
Except for the fact that there are TMS and Toei anime released in America with not hacked dubs. TMS did not change jack about Conan.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if that's why One Piece is taking so long with Funi, or if that's what caused them to lose out on Yu-Gi-Oh!.
What caused them to "lose out" on Yu-Gi-Oh is 4Kids.

I mean they never seemed to raise a fuss about what happened to shows such as Digimon, DBZ, and Sailor Moon.
What happened to DBZ and Sailor Moon..? You mean that Sailor Moon is released uncut and DBZ has an uncut Japanese version on the market is a bad thing?

If you mean "why aren't they outraged", the answer is the same as the answer to "why wouldn't they change Conan for the US": THEY DON'T CARE.

[Don_East]

Right before Harvey Birdman last night they mentioned a website that contains Rush reference in pop culture, and they gave a link to it. I found it, and they did have the "Moving Pictures" reference in there as well as a clip from the show.
Here:
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/RushReferences.htm
Also the SeaLab, Aqua Teen, & the two from Futurama.

[TnAdct1]

One question concerning Jimmy's voice in the clip: was Jimmy a teenager in that clip? The reason for asking this: Jimmy is only in teen form in the first episode, with his voice changing (at least in the Japanese version) when he reverts to a kid. However, we still hear Jimmy's/Shinichi's voice whenever he either thinks to himself or when Conan uses his voice changer bowtie to sound like Jimmy/Shinichi.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

they showed a Case Closed ad during FG's commercial break tonight....but we really could have used it last week...


now it aired during Futurama's break :confused:


by the way any chance of those uber annoying Quiznos ads going away anytime soon?? http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[SirLemming]

Cowboy Bebop's "My Funny Valentine" has to have one of the best endings ever.

Although now I understand it slightly better, since this time I took note of Faye saying that Ein's thin eyebrows reminded her of Whitney.

...you know what? Screw it. The ending is ruined for me now. I preferred when it made no sense at all.
(Well, not in the long term.)


I seem to kinda just post my thoughts as they appear. Don't listen to me.

[PaQ]

I liked tonight's Trigun, the second episode of the series, first time I'm watching this particular episode.

How the guy hired Vash, not realizing it's Vash.. And all the clumsy hijinks that ensue as Vash is the bodyguard for the woman.. who turns out to be a marshall out to get proof of that greedy old man. It was cool seeing Vash dodge that first bullet so suave-like and then preceded to dodge the others in less-stylish ways. Vash ended up being right about the girl not being evil, but unfortunately she's a law-woman.. Telling him if he had said he dodged those bullets on purpose she would've believed he was Vash and would have arrested him.. Seeing Vash mope as he walked off was great, but he's right, not a reason to get arrested, no matter how cute she was. Loved how that woman told Meryl that she could fall in love with Vash, and telling Meryl she has no taste in men or something liket that.

I thoroughly enjoyed the episode and give "Truth of Mistake" an A+

This is my first real chance at watching Trigun thoroughly after some convincing from my friend Rabi. Looking up info on Trigun, I realized why I was so comfortable with Vash's voice, it's Johnny Yong Bosch.. Good stuff. :D

[Majin_Megabyte]

Man, I love this episode of Family Guy. Because I always enjoy those scenes with the Old man and his popsicles.

[Don_East]

Does anyone notice Meatwad's model design is different in the first five episodes(Rabbot to Balloonenstein)?

[Perfect Cell]

I love the Trigun episode, cause the Fake Vashs Voice Actor rawks... He was in El Hazard if im not mistaken

[~square~]

Man, I love this episode of Family Guy. Because I always enjoy those scenes with the Old man and his popsicles.

i love it because of the little girl:

"My daughter would absolutly love you..."

[herbkir]

Re Case Closed: It's far too early to believe this will tank in the ratings. Yes, it has some plot holes you could lose a semi in, but it also has what to me is undeniable charm and very likeable characters, plus the lure of solving a puzzle. What we have here is a show running on multiple levels at once, like the classic Looney Toons. In Japan, it's a show the whole family can sit down and enjoy, with something for each member. That's why it has thrived for so many years.

On AS, it's a show with appeal across the entire target demographic, and beyond. I think it also will help attract more female viewers because it's not about slam-bang action but about how the characters relate as people to each other and to the mysteries they confront. (From what I've seen about future episodes, there'll be a lot of character development going on while the mysteries are being solved.) A lot of the 24-34 viewers have families, and this is something they could tape and view with their family. (^_*)

[TnAdct1]

Not even a week after Case Closed starts, someone is already complaining about Inu-Yasha being taken off the schedule until June (actually July).:sad:

Two things to say here:

1. As the card points out: the show's still on Saturday (with new episodes even).

2. If you want to put your blame on something, don't blame Case Closed, as it was originally planned to air at midnight. Rather, blame the Aqua Teens, as the fact that AS decided to have another run of it on weekdays caused Case Closed to move to the time slot originally occupied by Inu-Yasha. Besides, Case Closed is actually a very good anime title (with it being a huge hit in Japan).

[herbkir]

Responding to the IY fan's complaint, they said: Yes, Inuyasha's gone (big letters) EXCEPT FOR THE FRICKIN' PREMIERE EVERY FRICKIN' SATURDAY AT FRICKIN' 11.

I think a few months down the road when they put Case Closed on a hiatus, they're going to get exactly the same sort of grief from Conan's upset fans. (^_*)

[kaine23]

Responding to the IY fan's complaint, they said: Yes, Inuyasha's gone (big letters) EXCEPT FOR THE FRICKIN' PREMIERE EVERY FRICKIN' SATURDAY AT FRICKIN' 11.One the best cards ever!

[Anime Freak]

I agree, I really dont understand the logic of these Inuyasha fans. Inuyasha repeats that have been seen over and over again are much better than a new series with new eps????????????????? I really think that these Inuyasha freaks need to have surgery and get their brains replaced. These Inuyasha fans are supposed to be so demanding and yet look at the ratings Inuyasha gets on Saturdays, geez. I wish Adult Swim would just have Inuyasha on Saturdays until October, just to piss those Inuyasha freaks off.

[The Collector]

2. If you want to put your blame on something, don't blame Case Closed, as it was originally planned to air at midnight. Rather, blame the Aqua Teens, as the fact that AS decided to have another run of it on weekdays caused Case Closed to move to the time slot originally occupied by Inu-Yasha. Besides, Case Closed is actually a very good anime title (with it being a huge hit in Japan). I completely agree with this, it's not the fault of Case Closed. Of course they could have always pushed the Inuyasha reruns back into Cowboy Bebop's spot, but then Bebop fans would've probably been up in arms instead. Both shows have been repeated way too much, though Inuyasha has run through less often than Bebop since it has more episodes. In any case, I wouldn't mind them taking both off for a while and putting on a series that only went through one or two showings in an attempt to keep things fresh. I enjoy Inuyasha quite a bit, and I've seen all of the episodes several times, but you can only watch something so much before you get burned out. A little break would do it good.

[Tapout]

I can't say I disagree with pulling IY/CB for awhile, but they'd just replace it with reruns of something else. Except for Lupin, which I'd love to see back repeats or not, what would they show? Kikaider? With 13 (16 minus the recap and plus the OAVs I suppose) episodes that would get old even faster than Inuyasha and Bebop did. Blue Gender? I'm one of the seven people here who liked the show and I don't want it back. Having seen it already kinda kills it for me. Reign? Need I say more? FLCL? See Kikaider, plus it's on Saturdays anyway. Big O's a viable alternative for awhile because it's only had 3 or 4 complete runs, but without new acquisitions everything will get old sooner or later. IY has the biggest fanbase and Bebop is the best they've got. If they have to rerun something I say stick with those.

[Perfect Cell]

Pilot Candidate :) Yu Yu Hakusho I get what your saing, but i wouldnt mind Lupin back