How Come...

[Caffeine King]

How come everyone is all pissed off at the cards?

When they first started everyone liked them...now you's don't. :confused:

I prefer it over the old people swimming! :shrug:

I'm just wondering because some peoples' posts have been "the cards now suck, I want a new look," etc...etc... :shrug:

[Swordfish_II]

Um, the fact they are lame, unfunny, and shown over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over except for Sundays and Thurdays.

[Cyber E.]

Its because at the time of their debut, the cards were something extremely new, different and 95% of the time, hilarious. They have since lost that aspect and it has just become the nightly gimmick followed by endless reruns of Futurama and Family Guy.

And old people > everything.

[RD!]

They were good at first. They gave us info and didn't try so damned hard to be funny. Now the cards are just miserable attempts at being comedic while pleasing fans, I mean, what idiot doesn't want to see their idiocy and half-assed comments returned on TV?

Personaly, I think early AS and SVES had it right with their packaging; don't try to be anything... Toonami's fluff isn't revolutionary, hip or cool and Adult Swim's is a far cry from funny.

But since my opinions are void, Mr Wilson:
It seems like this consistent cycle. Adult Swim introduces a look, it's humble and unassuming, fans latch onto it, and then suddenly Adult Swim becomes self-absorbed and proud of itself. Then they announce a new look/presentation, and the cycle begins again.

I had hoped that things would be different this time. With text, we can actually see what the people at WS are like, and what their opinions are. At least, we could. For a moment it was almost as if the wall between creator and consumer were broken down. And then you went and unknowingly built a new wall. As you always do.

The first black and white cards were humorous but subtle, and self-depreciative, like a true creator or artist would act like.

The current black and white cards are shallow skits of Brak Show-level humor, wrapped in a thick layer of vanity and obsession. That's not the creator mentality. That's the mentality of an executive trying to cash in on a fanbase. That "we know you love us" attitude that makes me wretch at TOONAMI, but TOONAMI can get away with it because kids love that attitude. Adults see through it. It feels like an insult to see the cards wear off their novelty so fast.

And that was sort of solidified tonight, when I saw the renovated action lineup. Let me explain something to the message board goers. If a show runs over 24 minutes, things have to be cut, and that's understandable. However, both Witch Hunter Robin AND Inuyasha run under 23 minutes the way they are currently. There IS enough time to run the intros to these shows, and certainly plenty of time that there was no need to shorten the Witch Hunter Robin promo
....
Because that's what the Adult Swim of 2004 is. They love their output so much that they lack judgement. They find entertainment in retarded card ideas like "LOL ITS LIKE THE CARD IS YOUR LOVER", and that timeless gem, "LOOK AT OUR BUTTS LOL"
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There. I said it. I'm not unsaying it.

[Nin-Nin69]

With the cards, it's no longer Adult Swim. It is now known as LoLLercoaster l337 h4x sk83r b01 cuz lupin is teh s uck swim.

[Swordfish_II]

But the cards are like that really annoying uncle who comes over for dinner and always tells the same joke but everyone laughs anyway so as to not look rude.

[Beat]

It's packaging that insults the fans, causes cuts, and does nothing except inflate the egos at WS.

Any packaging that causes time cuts (most notably the ending of Big O) is bad!

[Lord Dalek]

I like the cards, that's why I make them, so there!

[sl4]

The original cards and the last version of the old people swimming are the best packaging Adult Swim has ever had. They both made watching AS tons of fun.

I loved the old people bumpers, I loved the lifeguard shouting "Attention swimmers! We've got an all-new Oblongs!" every week, I loved the stock music that everyone had heard before except me. The packaging was simple, it was original, and it fit with the name.

When the cards first started, I thought they had actually managed to beat the old people swimming. For quite a while, they had. When they kept it simple, it was great. Having text-only ads for comedy shows was awesome, but they stopped doing this after a few weeks. The cards continued to be awesome for a while. I remember when they would actually give the WS shows a semi-different packaging. Well, not really a different packaging, but they'd talk about Williams Street. Sure they were obviously fabricated lies, but they were funny. The cards are rarely if ever funny anymore because of, among other things, the attitude change on their part that Matt has described. As such, I have nothing more to say on this topic, even though I'll probably post about it again. ¬¬

[William C. Maune]

Did anyone else like the "safety" theme? They went with the cards because they were low cost, but the safety theme was already paid for. They could have just used that for longer than a few months. The folks who made it were good people also. In interviewed them, but it didn't do any good because then the look suddenly changed. At least I think all of their work aired except for the the saftey packaging they made for Baby Blues.

[Delthayre]

It's packaging that insults the fans, causes cuts, and does nothing except inflate the egos at WS.

Any packaging that causes time cuts (most notably the ending of Big O) is bad!I still don't remember the fans ever being insulted and I still consider your endless ranting about ego-inflation highly spurious. I really wish you would try to present a less righteously indignant and nuanced assesment. Right now you're barely on par with Jim "I never get to a deeper level of analysis than, "Jizzbuckets"" Norton.

In short: Try harder.

I still like the cards, but mostly in principle. I suspect the return of longing for the old people is more a reaction than anything else. Regardless, I do prefer the cards and I'm content to wait until they're either back to form or I'm numb to them.

Of course, my stance could quite reasonably be seen as a reaction as well. The ender ranting, pissing, moaning, and whining about the cards (which has consumed Beatdigga's identity) has become so vacuous and redundant that there seems little merit in doing anything but belittling it.

[Tienshin]

Did anyone else like the "safety" theme?

I liked the safety theme presentation, some of them were hilarious.

As for the cards...they were an interesting novelty for awhile, but I don't particularly pay attention to them anymore unless they contain the ratings report for the week or some other real information about the block...announcements etc.

[livingfruitvirus]

I liked the safety theme presentation, some of them were hilarious.

As for the cards...they were an interesting novelty for awhile, but I don't particularly pay attention to them anymore unless they contain the ratings report for the week or some other real information about the block...announcements etc.
the problem with safety cards is that they'd have to pay MK12 to make new ones each time a new show aired (cept for Action shows)

[William C. Maune]

the problem with safety cards is that they'd have to pay MK12 to make new ones each time a new show aired (cept for Action shows)

1) The only new comedy show has been Family Guy (except for special presentations.

2) "Cartoon," as MK12 referred to the network when I interviewed them, could make new packaging themselves. MK12 didn't do all of it, the network did some of it also.

[Beat]

I liked the saftey theme. Guess we can't go back though, right?

When you start cutting from the show to place your packaging (The openings, endings, and the final episode of Big O) the package becomes a problem.

I can't think of anything else to say about that attidude that wasn't addressed by Matt, so I'll just leave it at that.

And hope the cards burn.

[HomeMoviesFan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it me who created the first "the new cards suck" thread back in October or November? No one agreed 'cept for some mods...and now everyone is *****ing about them?


Cool. Go me...I think I might continue at this "first opinons" thing...but new topics! Yes!...

(now you get the attitude that led WS to disatrous cards nowadays)...

[NeueZielZeon]

When you start cutting from the show to place your packaging (The openings, endings, and the final episode of Big O) the package becomes a problem.
You do know that that time's going to more commercials, not more bumpers. The cards are actually much shorter now then they were when they first appeared. :rolleyes:

So, insulting fans 6-12 months ago = hilarious, and insulting fans now = something that the brass over at WS should be drugged out into the street and shot for?

[Beat]

A few weeks ago, Matt managed to prove that WS was wasting more time with their cards. I'll dig up the link showing the actual math later.

[Chad Bonin]

Insulting "teh fans" = Good, those AS-haters need to be, as JC would put it, punk'd.

Anyways... ya don't like packaging with a little bit of crass? Toonami is X times greater when you remember the two words that TOM's VA (Can't remember if it was TOM1 or TOM2 and 3) added at the end of each sentence to get the right attitude.

[Beat]

TOM never gave the Toonami faithful the finger. Or showed people his butt for 30 seconds. Or made fun of the way kids drew.

[Cyber E.]

Insulting "teh fans" = Good, those AS-haters need to be, as JC would put it, punk'd.
How do AS haters get.. "punk'd" by the cards?

[Chad Bonin]

Because TOM has no ass, and the kids drew LIKE KIDS WOULD.

Sure, he never gave the finger (Technically, he hasn't had a middle finger but for the last 1 year, and as TOM1), but oh... how it would have been awesome for WS to accidentally add his extra two words...

[Chad Bonin]

How do they get "punk'd"? Wait, that wasn't on air... I don't think.

[RD!]

Insulting "teh fans" = Good, those AS-haters need to be, as JC would put it, punk'd.

How does "teh fans" = AS haters?... when they... are the fans... ...

Anyways... ya don't like packaging with a little bit of crass? Toonami is X times greater when you remember the two words that TOM's VA (Can't remember if it was TOM1 or TOM2 and 3) added at the end of each sentence to get the right attitude.

...huh.

[Chad Bonin]

"Teh Fans" = the Card-hatin', original intro-lovin', complainin' subfaction.

Ya know, the ones that only believes the show matters and would rather have something akin to Batman Bumper Action Block with completely untouched for time shows at 11:00.

[Cyber E.]

Oh, those bastards...

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[RD!]

"Teh Fans" = the Card-hatin', original intro-lovin', complainin' subfaction.

Ya know, the ones that only believes the show matters and would rather have something akin to Batman Bumper Action Block with completely untouched for time shows at 11:00.


Oh... I see... you mispelled sensible... heh, sorry, it's just teh was a weird way of spelling it.

[Tienshin]

Jeez...this thread is about to take off.

And haven't we done this dance before?

[Chad Bonin]

But that's the thing, without the coherent Adult Swim brand, you probably wouldn't be getting half as much as you would.

Without the Toonami brand, the IGPX wouldn't have been made (An' Big 2.O, but season 1 wouldn't have even been picked up). Without the Adult Swim brand, who knows, we wouldn't be getting that series from Seth Green, or have gotten 52 episodes of Home Movies.

[RD!]

But that's the thing, without the coherent Adult Swim brand, you probably wouldn't be getting half as much as you would.

Without the Toonami brand, the IGPX wouldn't have been made (An' Big 2.O, but season 1 wouldn't have even been picked up). Without the Adult Swim brand, who knows, we wouldn't be getting that series from Seth Green, or have gotten 52 episodes of Home Movies.

I'm pretty sure Big O would have made it's way over because CN without a doubt would have had an action block looking for new things, even if there was no Toonami. Not that Toonami is really a brand to say... I mean, it's getting replaced pretty easily.

[Chad Bonin]

No Toonami... I doubt CN would have really looked forward to acquiring this little-known animé to air on Power Zone.

And Toonami ain't being replaced, it's evolving.

[RD!]

Yes... I forgot when evolving meant... becoming less, worse and weaker than an original state...

[Chad Bonin]

Hey, only ASA is preventing Toonami from being all it can be on Saturdays. Yeah, a shift to 9-14 demographic, plus craploads of premieres and the slaughtering of SVES? Yeah, Toonami's really dying.

[RD!]

ASA is stopping Toonami from "being all it can be" on saturdays because it can't be anything more than it is... I mean, hell, it got replaced on weekdays because TOTALLY SPIES was a better idea. Way I see it, CN's trying to not have Saturday nights a complete waste of air time.

[Chad Bonin]

That's why they're packing Toonami full of premieres? While new episodes are good, extra time to play with is...

Whoah, way off topic.

[The Drizzle]

Whoah, way off topic.
Like that's a first for you.

Bird Boy 4 evah.

[Bird Boy]

Whoah, way off topic.

Like that's a first for you...

Cards rule. That's all.

-BB

[Chad Bonin]

Cards, do indeed, rule. That almost makes up for that low-blow.

[The Drizzle]

Cards, do indeed, rule. That almost makes up for that low-blow.
This thread is closed.