Should Boomerang air anime?

[Artemis]

I don't mean any anime, just classic anime. Classic anime in AMERICA, not Japan. That would mean Knights of the Zodiac, Lupin III, and Mobile Suit Gundam wouldn't be elligible.

I'm thinking about Robotech, Voltron, Battle of The Planets, Speed Racer, Astro Boy, and Gigantor. Stuff adults grew up with since Boomerang is marketing itself as a "Nostalgia Channel" rather than a "Classics Channel". Hence why Hanna-Barbera crap dominate its airwaves instead of classic LT/MGM shorts...y'know the good stuff.

So I figure, if that's how they wanna be why not air some some nostalgic anime while they're at it? I know they lost the rights to like, all of those, but it's still a nice thought.

They really oughta cut back on the H-B crap, though, and give some more hours to classic LT/MGM shorts.

Anyway, just an idea.

[Nin-Nin69]

Robotech
Voltron
Battle of the Planets
Ronin Warriors
Astro Boy
Gigantor
Kimba the Lion
Speed Racer
Lupin III
MSG
Cutey Honey

These could all work. Cutey Honey and Lupin III could be for an anime action hour at 12 AM.

[JohnCrichton]

HELL yeah they should. I'd actually want Boomerang then. I made a thread about how they should have a Retro-Nami Swim there or something.

Mobile Suit Gundam deserves a full run, as does Lupin III.

Boomerang is the best place for it that I can think of.

[Beat]

I'd say yes, but I know the guys at the TTTP would scream at the last stronghold of Bugs and friends being invaded by anime.

I really think at this point, the audience for anime and Boomerang's primary audience are incompatible.

Not to say it can't happen in the future.:D

[Youko Recca]

It would be Saint Seiya though.

[jeffrey 228]

I'd say yes, but I know the guys at the TTTP would scream at the last stronghold of Bugs and friends being invaded by anime.

I really think at this point, the audience for anime and Boomerang's primary audience are incompatible.

Not to say it can't happen in the future.:D
I will say keep the anime on Toonami/Adult Swim, I think having it on boomerange is not going to do it any good because there is where most of the older cartoons and shows that used to be around on Cartoon Network that will never work out in any matter.

[Artemis]

I'd love for Lupin III and MSG to air on Boomerang, but nobody born and raised in America grew up with those so it probably wouldn't work. Boomerang is about cartoons 25+year olds grew up with.

I don't think Ronin Warriors would work either, since those of us that grew up with Ronin Warriors are in high school/college. I don't think Boomerang targets us yet.

Robotech, Speed Racer, Voltron, Battle of The Planets, Astro Boy could work however. That's why I think Boomerang should acquire them.

[Roger Smith]

=) Lots of people in Mexico grew with Saint Seiya Mazinger and! DB but Dam TV Azteca took saint seiya and mazinger and add Disney trash =( and
DB will forever be in Mexico after 1000 years
and i agree Boomerang should have anime HB thingy wingy is getting boring.

[donovan]

By the way, the Hanna-Barbera stuff is not crap.

[Roger Smith]

they get boring after a long time

[ZumbidoMetal]

Battle Of The Planets is coming to Boomerang. They are running a stunt Sunday, April 25th.

[Chris Wood]

Sure! It would be great to have Boomerang air some of the anime we grew up with in the U.S. in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

Such as:

Astro Boy
Gigantor
Eight Man
Marine Boy
Kimba the White Lion
Speed Racer
Star Blazers
Battle of the Planets
Captain Future
Captain Harlock
Force Five
ThunderSub
Tranzor Z
Voltron
Robotech
Thunderbirds 2086
Ulysses 31
Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs
etc.

[Lord Dalek]

a "Toonami Classic" would kill! If they could only get Moltar...

[CookieS]

I think Boomerang should run all cartoons from the past. I like how they break things down into years. Heck, I think they should even back up their offerings to theater animation from the 1930s and 40s. Plus it would be ideal if it wasn't just Hanna-Barbera stuff. I know it wouldn't be cost-effective, but its a dream.

[Jeff Harris]

Battle Of The Planets is coming to Boomerang. They are running a stunt Sunday, April 25th. They're airing Battle of the Planets rather than G-Force? Well, I'm interested . . . and ticked that my cable operator has never heard of Boomerang.

[Wanted]

Hanna-Barbera crapH-B crapI'm thinking about how you insist on calling Hanna-Barbera's hard work crap. I could as easily call all of the shows you named crap. I can also see that you never aimed at the other stuff Boomerang airs. And I don't think it would be a good idea economically, because it would suck them dry.

You might see one here or there, but not all of those.

[Wanted]

By the way, the Hanna-Barbera stuff is not crap.Amen to that!

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I'm thinking about how you insist on calling Hanna-Barbera's hard work crap. I could as easily call all of the shows you named crap. I can also see that you never aimed at the other stuff Boomerang airs. And I don't think it would be a good idea economically, because it would suck them dry.

You might see one here or there, but not all of those.
Okay, there were a couple of decent Hanna-Barbera series, but 90% of them were just flat out awful. They really should just be forgotten(and thankfully many of them have).

[Fone Bone]

Okay, there were a couple of decent Hanna-Barbera series, but 90% of them were just flat out awful. They really should just be forgotten(and thankfully many of them have).
The Completely Mental Misadventures of Ed Grimley
The Pirates of Dark Water

Uh... I'm thinking....

Well, either way H-B rulez if only for those two.

[Beat]

I can't defend H-B thanks to Gobots. Who would turn to them for a show about transforming robots? At least Hasbro was smart enough to license Toei.

Although they made Pirates of Dark Water? Didn't know that.

[True Noir]

I think that if they had anime, they should run Gundum series uncut. Then I would probably wanna watch it.

[PeppeRaskell1]

I would like to see Boomerang air the classic black and white AstroBoy and Gigantor cartoons. After all, if it weren't for Fred Ladd bringing them here to America in the 1960's, there would be no anime in America to begin with.

It would be nice...

[Brainatra]

Hey, I like H-B crap! :-)

That said, airing more old LT/MM shorts probably wouldn't hurt as well (since it seems that CN doesn't want to air said shorts, despite being a founding cornerstone of Time-Warner's animation history)...

As for anime, unless it's "Speed Racer" or "Transformers", I can live without it...

-B.

[Vyse]

Do I believe that Boomerang should air anime? Yes, they should. I want Boomerang to morph into the TV Land of animation, complete with shows and shorts from the WB, MGM, and H-B libraries, along with anime and shows from other liscencees. (Heck, a block devoted to 80's shows would rule!) Besides BotP, here are shows I think would work on Boomerang:

-G-Force. Back-to-back and head-to-head with BotP.
-Mobile Suit Gundam. Just the original 1979 seires that finally came to America in 2001.
-Robotech. If ADV and Harmony Gold comply, it will work.
-Old-school Gigantor and Astro Boy.
-Voltron.
-Transformers.
-Lupin III.

[joealaskey]

Frankly, I wouldn't care if almost all of it went away!!
Never was a fan of excruciating sameness.
It's become like Muzak to me. :sad:
Then again, I've done my share of the c-word.
Just Letting You Know I'm Still Around By Stirring Up a Slight Controversy,

[Chris Wood]

Frankly, I wouldn't care if almost all of it went away!!
Never was a fan of excruciating sameness.
It's become like Muzak to me. :sad:
Then again, I've done my share of the c-word.
Just Letting You Know I'm Still Around By Stirring Up a Slight Controversy,
Are you talking about anime, or Looney Tunes?

[oldgreypole]

I don't think they should show anime. There's too much of it on TV as it is these days. Now DePatie-Freleng cartoons…

[DarthGonzo]

Are you talking about anime, or Looney Tunes?
Why would Joe Alasky be talking about getting rid of Looney Tunes? Do you know who he even is.

Anime should be kept OFF of Boomerang. It's the last safe haven for HB and WB cartoons.

[Artemis]

I'm thinking about how you insist on calling Hanna-Barbera's hard work crap. I could as easily call all of the shows you named crap. I can also see that you never aimed at the other stuff Boomerang airs. And I don't think it would be a good idea economically, because it would suck them dry.

You might see one here or there, but not all of those.If you want to call my shows crap, fine. I'm just saying the majority of the garbage H-B produces is just that: garbage. Scooby Doo, Jabberjaw, Josie & The Pussy Cats among others are most certainly not the textbook definition of GOOD. The only H-B shows I like are Flintstones, Tom & Jerry, Pirates of Dark Water, some other late 80s/early 90s stuff, and maybe some others I'm forgetting. But everything they made that dominated the airwaves in the 70s? TOTAL CRAP. Thank God I didn't have to grow up with that greeting me Saturday mornings.:rolleyes:

Oh and Go-bots. Can't forgive them for Go-bots.

That said, airing more old LT/MM shorts probably wouldn't hurt as well (since it seems that CN doesn't want to air said shorts, despite being a founding cornerstone of Time-Warner's animation history)...
You can say that again. 3 hours of LT/MM is just disrespectable, especially since the LT/MM library is so huge, it could fill up half the day with "fresh" material that hasn't been seen in a while. Really, CN, less H-B, more LT!

Frankly, I wouldn't care if almost all of it went away!!
Never was a fan of excruciating sameness.
It's become like Muzak to me. :sad:
Then again, I've done my share of the c-word.
Just Letting You Know I'm Still Around By Stirring Up a Slight Controversy,

Yeah, I'd kinda like to know if you're talking about classic cartoons or anime. I'd assume anime, but what exactly is "the c-word?"

Anime should be kept OFF of Boomerang. It's the last safe haven for HB and WB cartoons.Relax, I'm not talking about an invasion, just saying it'd be nice if Boomerang could also be a home for classic anime that otherwise couldn't be seen anywhere.

I like Vyse's idea that Boomerang should be treated more like an animation version of "TV Land". That'd be nice.

[Alex Toon]

Yes on Astro Boy. No on Speed Racer. SPEED Channel already has it, and could cause conflicts between the two channels.

Na, maybe not. More people have SPEED than Boomerang.


(Pancho Be Blessed)

[Chris Wood]

[DarthGonzo]Why would Joe Alasky be talking about getting rid of Looney Tunes?
I don't know, but he said he didn't like "excruciating sameness", so he obviously wasn't talking about anime.


Anime should be kept OFF of Boomerang. It's the last safe haven for HB and WB cartoons.

Boomerang is a haven for older cartoons of all descriptions. Where would you suggest older anime and Sunbow/RubySpear/DIC cartoons be aired?

[Mad Monkey 7]

I think that Boomrang should focus on Looney Tunes and Classic Hanna-Barbera such as Flintstones,Yogi Bear, & Huckberry Hound.

[MattThomasM2B]

I don't know, but he said he didn't like "excruciating sameness", so he obviously wasn't talking about anime.Now that's what I call unintentional ownage.

[AlphaPrime]

More anime definitly needs to be put on Boomerang. Can't stand the Flinstones my self anymore, Jetsons i can somewhat, can some of the other HB stuff*best show on Boomerang besides Gi Joe is Tom & Jerry*

I wanna see Battle of the Planets. But they need those other old animes, Astroboy, Gigantor. And the 80s shows, Robotech, Transformers G1*it may be one of the worst TF shows but i still like it enough to watch* Voltron , i'd say He-Man, but the 80's version sucked hehe*sure the new MOTU wasn't great but it didn't suck either*

:D

[Dudley]

Anime should be kept OFF of Boomerang. It's the last safe haven for HB and WB cartoons.
They should air classic anime on the Anime Network so they can expand there programming.

But it wouldn't matter anyway, on account that I have neither channel and would watch neither of them if I did.

[joealaskey]

I don't know, but he said he didn't like "excruciating sameness", so he obviously wasn't talking about anime.[QUOTE]

Sure I was!! But wait a minute -- Could it be that my observations have been met with a little sarcasm? Well, good!! I love it!! We're all entitled to our opinion. (At least I hope it was sarcasm.) :p

What I really object to in anime these days is willful, ceaseless copycatting, which has made mediocre-or-worse anime (IMHO) more prevalent than an army of Star Wars clones.
(Of course, there are oustanding examples in any genre. :anime: )


[QUOTE= Desslar] Boomerang is a haven for older cartoons of all descriptions. Where would you suggest older anime and Sunbow/RubySpear/DIC cartoons be aired?

An Anime Network sounds like a great idea for those who gotta have it!!
To whomever proposed that: I've often said so myself!!

The c-word is "cr-p", as discussed at length in this thread. (Just watching my language here.)

BTW, I'd love to tell ya what I'D put on Boomerang if I were in charge, including: ALL Golden Age theatricals from every studio (especially the Fleischers'), ALL Jay Ward stuff, + :andy: & :woody: & :chilly: , :fox: & :crow: , & -- Shucks. TZ doesn't have enough icons to cover it all!! Suffice it to say there'd be much more variety -- not just LTs & H-Bs, -- & a lot of b&w toons (if you could stand it)!!

[Anime-Lover]

I think that boomerang could atleast have all the older animes on sundays since they have that year run on saturdays

[Gary L Thompson]

Sure! It would be great to have Boomerang air some of the anime we grew up with in the U.S. in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

Such as:

Astro Boy
Gigantor
Eight Man
Marine Boy
Kimba the White Lion
Speed Racer
Star Blazers
Battle of the Planets
Captain Future
Captain Harlock
Force Five
ThunderSub
Tranzor Z
Voltron
Robotech
Thunderbirds 2086
Ulysses 31
Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs
etc.Unfortunately, I have never been able to get Boomerang. But if the idea of the channel is to give people cartoons that they grew up with, I would say it would make sense to include anime from the 1960s-1980s, and you have a pretty good list here (I would add Saban's 1980s "Dragon Warrior" and "Little Mermaid" to the list, plus "Macron I" and "Tekkaman").

Also, there was some neat anime that aired on 1980s cable that's not on any more. You've listed a couple like "Thunderbirds 2086" and "G Force", but there were more: "Noozles", "Belle and Sebastian", "Mysterious Cities of Gold", "Honey", "Leo the Lion", "Swiss Family Robinson", "Superbook", "The Flying House", "Tom Sawyer", "The Jungle Book", "Little Women", etc. Not to mention some anime movies as well. You can hardly see any of these series anywhere nowadays, not even on video for the most part.

However, I wonder if Boomerang would really make an impact if they restored the only-weekday syndication blocks from the 1980s. I imagine a lot of adult viewers would love to watch again "He-Man", "Thundercats", "G.I.Joe", "Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles", "JEM", "Care Bears", "Botsmaster", "She-Ra", "Transformers", "My Little Pony", "Tiny Tunes", "Galaxy Rangers", "Inspector Gadget", "Strawberry Shortcake", "Exosquad"--and yes, "Voltron" and "Robotech" too.

[Beat]

An Anime Network sounds like a great idea for those who gotta have it!!
To whomever proposed that: I've often said so myself!!

The c-word is "cr-p", as discussed at length in this thread. (Just watching my language here.)

BTW, I'd love to tell ya what I'D put on Boomerang if I were in charge, including: ALL Golden Age theatricals from every studio (especially the Fleischers'), ALL Jay Ward stuff, + :andy: & :woody: & :chilly: , :fox: & :crow: , & -- Shucks. TZ doesn't have enough icons to cover it all!! Suffice it to say there'd be much more variety -- not just LTs & H-Bs, -- & a lot of b&w toons (if you could stand it)!!
Ladies and gents, excrutiating sameness.:p :moon: :moon2:

Looking back to my earlier posts, I now realize that Boomerang is a nostaglia channel, not a history channel. Some of that old stuff (and by old, I mean 60's-80's) would definetely find an audience. Of course, some of it's irredemiable (Never show the hacking of Mazinger called Tranzor Z again) but other stuff is definetely worth a look.

But like all programs, it shouldn't dominate, just become a part. Let the ratings decide the rest.

[SpaceCowboy]

How much would it cost for CN to aquire these old anime series, compared to most of their other aquistions?

[Chris Wood]

[Gary L Thompson] (I would add Saban's 1980s "Dragon Warrior" and "Little Mermaid to the list, plus "Macron I" and "Tekkaman").
Dragon Warrior? Tell me more. I've never heard of that one. I know about Macron I and Tekkaman, but unfortunately they never aired in my area. Sigh...

Also, there was some neat anime that aired on 1980s cable that's not on any more. You've listed a couple like "Thunderbirds 2086" and "G Force", but there were more: "Noozles", "Belle and Sebastian", "Mysterious Cities of Gold", "Honey", "Leo the Lion", "Swiss Family Robinson", "Superbook", "The Flying House", "Tom Sawyer", "The Jungle Book", "Little Women", etc. Not to mention some anime movies as well. You can hardly see any of these series anywhere nowadays, not even on video for the most part.
Hmmm... most of those series are a bit too tame for my tastes. I prefer the action stuff. I have heard good things about Mysterious Cities though


However, I wonder if Boomerang would really make an impact if they restored the only weekday syndication blocks from the 1980s. I imagine a lot of adult viewers would love to watch again "He-Man", "Thundercats", "G.I.Joe", "Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles", "JEM", "Care Bears", "Botsmaster", "She-Ra", "Transformers", "My Little Pony", "Tiny Tunes", "Galaxy Rangers", "Inspector Gadget", "Strawberry Shortcake", "Exosquad"--and yes, "Voltron" and "Robotech" too.

That would rock big time! But dude: Care Bears? Strawberry Shortcake?! You really miss those series??

[joealaskey]

Re: my programming suggestions for Boomerang (post # 36)


[QUOTE=Beatdigga] Ladies and gents, excrutiating sameness.:p :moon: :moon2: [QUOTE]

Hmm... The ol' knee-jerk sarcasm ploy, eh?


[QUOTE=beatdigga] Looking back to my earlier posts, I now realize that Boomerang is a nostaglia channel, not a history channel. [QUOTE]

Mr. 'digga,
May I suggest that the true difference between nostalgia and history is totally up to the viewer's perspective?
Some people like to simply sit back & enjoy cartoons (a definition of nostalgia, arguably); others choose to observe, study & learn from animation's glorious, mostly-unknown past (animation history students, perhaps).
Forgive me if I look beyond your own 'earlier posts' for this distinction.
(Ladies & gents, the ol' sarcasm switcheroo!!) :p


[QUOTE=beatdigga] Some of that old stuff (and by old, I mean 60's-80's) [QUOTE] --

-- whereas I was talking about cartoons from an era before both our lifetimes, so you're off-point --


[QUOTE=beatdigga] -- would definetely find an audience. Of course, some of it's irredemiable (Never show the hacking of Mazinger called Tranzor Z again) but other stuff is definetely worth a look. [QUOTE]

But certainly not all the 'other stuff', right?
(Sorry. The ol' switcheroo again. How irredemiable of me.) :p :p

My last word on this subject in this thread:
Whether perceived as nostalgic or historic, Boomerang obviously defines its programming as beatdigga does, i.e. animation created only within this generation's lifetime.
If they opened up their skeds to include more shows like "Popeye" & the late "Late Nite Black & White", & not relegate them to the wee hours, presenting them with pride instead of shifting them guiltily around like dusty old photos of Gran'ma on the end table, I think they'd be surprised how many fans would watch.
Well, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's all about ratings after all.
But I would personally prefer my Wish List to the lovingly-quoted 'excruciating sameness' of ceaseless ScoobyDoos and, yes, most anime I've seen.
Please keep in mind this is just one opinion, folks. I already know I'm in the minority. :rolleyes:
Hmm!! Maybe I'll start my own thread...!! (But would anybody read it?!)

[Beat]

I said before that even if anime was aired, it should not be 100% of the programming. Nor should H-B shows, Looney Tunes, or any other specific time period or genre. There has to be a happy balance between fans of Transformers and fans of Woody Woodpecker...

[Vyse]

I said before that even if anime was aired, it should not be 100% of the programming. Nor should H-B shows, Looney Tunes, or any other specific time period or genre. There has to be a happy balance between fans of Transformers and fans of Woody Woodpecker...I agree. Do I want anime on Boomerang? Yes. Do I want it 24/7 on Boomerang, replacing all the H-B classics and WB/MGM shorts? No. Should Boomerang air nothing but H-B shows and WB/MGM shorts and not any other classic cartoons, including GI Joe, BotP, and the DePatie-Freleng shorts and shows? No. Can a happy balance exist? Yes. Should Boomerang become the TV Land of classic animation? Yes. Should Boomerang have an 80's block? Definetely.

[Duke]

An Anime Network sounds like a great idea for those who gotta have it!!
To whomever proposed that: I've often said so myself!!
Technically there is an Anime Network. However, it's not a real channel and about 6 more people get it than Boomerang. :p

I'd love to see Boomerang play older anime, especially MSG, Astro Boy, Gigantor, and Lupin III. It would definately get some extra viewers just from the Toonami/Adult Swim crowd.

For those who say that it would take away LT & stuff, doesn't Boomerang have, like a 7-hour schedule that it runs through each day about 3 times? Why NOT expand the schedule and put some better variety on?

[Gary L Thompson]

Dragon Warrior? Tell me more. I've never heard of that one. I know about Macron I and Tekkaman, but unfortunately they never aired in my area. Sigh...I'm a little surprised that CN hasn't considered airing "Dragon Warrior", considering it's very much like Dragonball (not surprising, since they were designed by the same creator). Maybe it's because they only finished dubbing the first 13 episodes, so anyone who aired them would face a demand to complete the series....if you liked Dragonball, you should like this series. I saw "Macron I" on the same independent station that aired "Dragon Warrior" (and the Harmony Gold "Dragonball", for that matter), but only learned about "Tekkaman" in retrospect after watching "Teknoman" years later.

Hmmm... most of those series are a bit too tame for my tastes. I prefer the action stuff. I have heard good things about Mysterious Cities thoughMCOG was the inspiration for the making of "Nadia of the Mysterious Seas"--enough said. However, the other series did have more action than you might suspect--"Leo the Lion" was the successor to "Kimba". "Honey" was one of the clones of "Candy Candy", so I suspect it likely had some hair-raising action at times just like its foremother. "Superbook" and the "Jungle Book" had some violent action at times--the story of Mowgli revolves around a coming showdown to the death with a tiger, don't forget! "Swiss Family Robinson" ended with a volcanic eruption.... No, these series weren't exactly action every second, but personally I think action is all the more effective if interspersed with quiet moments, and involving characters we've grown to care about very much. (On the other hand, I found "Thunderbirds 2086" dull and lifeless compared to its parent--which itself would make a good snatch from TechTV for Boomerang someday.)

That would rock big time! But dude: Care Bears? Strawberry Shortcake?! You really miss those series??To be perfectly honest? No. But I do miss the variety that they signified. (I did watch "My Little Pony", but more for the potential in its concept than for the pedestrian stories they actually churned out. I enjoyed shows like "Ducktales", "Talespin" and "Gargoyles", but as for their chances of showing up on Boomerang, are you acquainted with the phrase "snowball's chance in...?") The networks that displaced the old syndicated market (Fox Kids, Kids WB, Disney Afternoon, BKN Kids and DIC Kids) tended to aim at a single demographic, leading to "excrutiating sameness", to swipe a phrase from another poster on this thread.

How much would it cost for CN to aquire these old anime series, compared to most of their other aquistions?I suspect the 1980s series I've mentioned could be picked up for a song (the movies from that era could pose a bit more difficulty). Except for "Speed Racer", I suspect the other 1960s series could be picked up fairly easily too. "Prince Planet", "The Amazing Three" and "King Kong" (an American co-production) have been in such obscurity that they could probably go at any price, assuming the old tapes and rights-holders could be located (in regard to "The Amazing Three", it must also be considered that the rights to Tezuka's 1960s series have generally been in a mess). "Gigantor", "Eight Man", "Astroboy" and "Kimba" have come out on video in recent years, so I imagine they shouldn't be too difficult to pick up for broadcast. "Marine Boy" hasn't appeared anywhere to my knowledge, why this would be is kind of puzzling, since it was a long-running show that apparently picked up a lot of fans. Incidently, a contemporary to "Battle of the Planets", "Star Blazers", was aired by CN on its website, I don't imagine it would be too difficult to pick up again.

I said before that even if anime was aired, it should not be 100% of the programming. Nor should H-B shows, Looney Tunes, or any other specific time period or genre. There has to be a happy balance between fans of Transformers and fans of Woody Woodpecker...I agree. Do I want anime on Boomerang? Yes. Do I want it 24/7 on Boomerang, replacing all the H-B classics and WB/MGM shorts? No. Should Boomerang air nothing but H-B shows and WB/MGM shorts and not any other classic cartoons, including GI Joe, BotP, and the DePatie-Freleng shorts and shows? No. Can a happy balance exist? Yes. Should Boomerang become the TV Land of classic animation? Yes. Should Boomerang have an 80's block? Definetely.Technically there is an Anime Network. However, it's not a real channel and about 6 more people get it than Boomerang. :p

I'd love to see Boomerang play older anime, especially MSG, Astro Boy, Gigantor, and Lupin III. It would definately get some extra viewers just from the Toonami/Adult Swim crowd.

For those who say that it would take away LT & stuff, doesn't Boomerang have, like a 7-hour schedule that it runs through each day about 3 times? Why NOT expand the schedule and put some better variety on?I think these pretty much sum up the case. The sensible thing would be to use HB and classic theatrical cartoons to anchor the network, but they could wear out by being rerun too often. The obvious alternative would be to set up new blocks throughout the day showing other types of cartoons, like '80s syndication cartoons late afternoons weekdays, for example. To provide another example, why not bring back the "Wonderful Wizard of Oz" for prime time? (MGM's short-lived answer to the "Wonderful World of Disney", with linking cartoon segments done by the great Chuck Jones.) Or other 1960s prime-time animation in their original formats, in their original prime-time time slots?

[lostrune]

Dragon Warrior? Tell me more. I've never heard of that one. I know about Macron I and Tekkaman, but unfortunately they never aired in my area. Sigh...
I'm a little surprised that CN hasn't considered airing "Dragon Warrior", considering it's very much like Dragonball (not surprising, since they were designed by the same creator). Maybe it's because they only finished dubbing the first 13 episodes, so anyone who aired them would face a demand to complete the series....if you liked Dragonball, you should like this series. I saw "Macron I" on the same independent station that aired "Dragon Warrior" (and the Harmony Gold "Dragonball", for that matter), but only learned about "Tekkaman" in retrospect after watching "Teknoman" years later.

Unfortunately, due to Enix, Dragon Warrior is not a known franchise in America anymore. Also, IIRC from those only 13 dubbed eps, it's more quest fighting than DBZ tournament-like fighting. The fights weren't tremendously spectacular neither, much more down to earth. So I dunno if it will fly on CN.... :shrug:

[Chris Wood]

[Gary L Thompson]I'm a little surprised that CN hasn't considered airing "Dragon Warrior", considering it's very much like Dragonball (not surprising, since they were designed by the same creator). Maybe it's because they only finished dubbing the first 13 episodes, so anyone who aired them would face a demand to complete the series....if you liked Dragonball, you should like this series.
Is Dragon Warrior possibly based on the long-running Dragon Quest video game series that was a big hit in Japan in the 80s? At any rate I don't much care for Dragonball so I probably wouldn't be a fan.

I saw "Macron I" on the same independent station that aired "Dragon Warrior" (and the Harmony Gold "Dragonball", for that matter), but only learned about "Tekkaman" in retrospect after watching "Teknoman" years later.
I thought I heard Macron I was done by the Macross people, but I could be wrong. If so it must be pretty good. I think I saw one or two episodes of Teknoman, but it was on early on Saturday mornings. Something about a giant robot, but I don't remember if it was any good.

(On the other hand, I found "Thunderbirds 2066" dull and lifeless compared to its parent
Actually, Thunderbirds 2086 isn't a direct adaptation of the British show, even though it's obviously inspired by it. The original Japanese title of the show is TechnoVoyager, or TV for short. Of course in Japanese "V" is pronounced "B," so the vehicles on the show all have "TB" written on them. I agree that the show was a bit dull.

The networks that displaced the old syndicated market (Fox Kids, Kids WB, Disney Afternoon, BKN Kids and DIC Kids) tended to aim at a single demographic, leading to "excrutiating sameness", to swipe a phrase from another poster on this thread.
Yeah, it sucks. If you're not a 6 year old you're out of luck.

[Gary L Thompson]

Is Dragon Warrior possibly based on the long-running Dragon Quest video game series that was a big hit in Japan in the 80s? At any rate I don't much care for Dragonball so I probably wouldn't be a fan.I know it was based on a popular video game, "Dragon Quest" sounds about right if memory serves me right. The swift decline of the game in America was blamed for the anime not being more successful here.

I thought I heard Macron I was done by the Macross people, but I could be wrong. If so it must be pretty good. I think I saw one or two episodes of Teknoman, but it was on early on Saturday mornings. Something about a giant robot, but I don't remember if it was any good.I'm pretty sure "Macron I" wasn't done by Harmony Gold, though I couldn't for the life of me tell you who did do that series (like "Voltron" and all of Harmony Gold's series, two unrelated Japanese series were tied into a single series for the U.S. market's minimum 65-episode count). Harmony Gold's work was "Robotech", "Captain Harlock", the Dragonball five-episode pilot and movie, and several movies including "Robotech the Movie" (I do regret not picking up "Planet Busters" at that time, it sounds like it was pretty interesting).

I saw pretty much all the episodes of "Teknoman" (or all they aired in America, unfortunately UPN pulled the plug just at a key turning point of the series). It was your standard secret mecha-saves-the-day type of plot, but didn't use a giant robot, but rather human transforming into cyborg. I understand the original 1970s series was your usual pure and brave hero stands up against alien invasion conflict of the time, but the 1990s remake was a lot darker. A family exploring outer space was ambushed by a mad alien conquerer, the children were captured and turned into "teknomen" to help with an alien invasion. One brother and eventually a sister managed to escape alien influence somehow and end up on earth fighting the enemy, one brother remains firmly in the aliens control and leads the invasion forces. Our hero's situation is complicated further by his having amnesia, the earth forces not quite trusting him, and the gradually unveiling revelation that he is at risk every time he goes out to battle--unfortunately, if he battles too long, he risks the armor taking over his mind and turning him into the enemy. As it stands, America saw only half of "Tekkaman Blade" as well (so they missed the final episode, where the hero is killed off defending the planet). The hero of "Teknoman" must have survived somehow, because he's in the OAV sequel (never aired on American TV), though as a supporting player to the main heroine. I would say this is one series that would be well worth a return.

Actually, Thunderbirds 2086 isn't a direct adaptation of the British show, even though it's obviously inspired by it. The original Japanese title of the show is TechnoVoyager, or TV for short. Of course in Japanese "V" is pronounced "B," so the vehicles on the show all have "TB" written on them. I agree that the show was a bit dull.Yes, I know "Thunderbirds 2086" was a loose sequel rather than a remake. But a different cast and setting wasn't what made "Thunderbirds" a far better series than "TechnoVoyager". In paying tribute to the British supermarionation show, the Japanese omitted some rather crucial aspects that made the original so appealing:

A) Thunderbirds. The achilles heel of an action adventure show is that it tends toward one-dimensional characters. Basically, if you're doing "Emergency", characterization tends to be binary--do your stars have the "right stuff" to get the job done, or don't they. You don't have the leisure of a slice-of-life story to do subtle shadings of character (which is why Sherlock Holmes has the finest characterization sketches this side of Dickens, and why Lt. Columbo is so beloved, since the crime has been committed and the damage is already done, there is the leisure to sketch out characters in a mystery story). "Thunderbirds" got around this weakness brillantly by surrounding the resolute young pilots with odd and fascinating supporting players: the gruff patriarch Jeff Tracy, the eccentric but brilliant Brains, the vivacious Tin Tin, and the unforgettable and one-and-only team of Lady Penelope and Parker.

Thunderbirds 2086. You had the resolute young pilots. That's it.

B) Thunderbirds. As one TV celebrity described International Rescue after his rescue from a collapsing skyscraper, "that magnificent organization which saves people who otherwise would certainly die. No one knows where they come from, but come they do, and help they bring". The mysteryman who flies from nowhere to save a hopeless situation is the old Superman formula to a T.

Thunderbirds 2086. Basically working stiffs employed by the authorities.

C) Thunderbirds. Action was aided immensely by a rousing score, the main theme was the "Star Wars" theme of the 1960s.

Thunderbirds 2086. Nothing of the original score was used in TB 2086, except for some unnerving high-tech chords used in stories featuring "Thunderbird 3", particularly the episode on the sun probe. If anything, the composer they used for TB 2086 made the action sound duller than it was.

D) Thunderbirds. Though the show was futuristic science-fiction, it also had a down-to-earth feel about it. Rescues of doomed airliners, fighting mine fires, hazards on highway construction, saving marooned astronauts, extricating people from burning skyscrapers, digging out people buried alive--viewers could relate to these stories as being fairly true-to-life. The episode on the Empire State Building's collapse has a new meaning after 9/11, and recent stories of innocent victims being rigged with bombs and forced to commit crimes to save themselves--it was all there in a TB episode intended as a tribute to film noir.

Thunderbirds 2086. The show seemed to take place entirely in outer space, involving space travel so futuristic that it was more remote and disconnected from an audience familar with Apollo and the shuttle. It seemed every episode was just about the same--one of the pilots would space walk into a hazardous situation while his female pilot worried about him, then she would hear her radio with relief that the problem had been solved, end of episode. TB took pains in its scriptwriting to try to avoid this sameness in key moments of suspense, TB 2086 seems not to have been aware there was even a danger.

[lostrune]

Is Dragon Warrior possibly based on the long-running Dragon Quest video game series that was a big hit in Japan in the 80s? At any rate I don't much care for Dragonball so I probably wouldn't be a fan.

Yep, Dragon Quest is called Dragon Warrior in America (not sure about Europe). DQ is still a big hit in Japan, even bigger than Final Fantasy, believe it or not. Enix even decided to release DQ games on Saturdays, instead of the traditional weekday release, so that kids/adults won't skip school/adults.

Unfortunately in the early 90s, Enix also decided to close its American branch and hasn't really come back, so the Dragon Warrior cartoon didn't have merchandise support. DW isn't really much like Dragonball except for the chara designs.

[Chris Wood]

Yep, Dragon Quest is called Dragon Warrior in America (not sure about Europe). DQ is still a big hit in Japan, even bigger than Final Fantasy, believe it or not. Enix even decided to release DQ games on Saturdays, instead of the traditional weekday release, so that kids/adults won't skip school/adults.

Unfortunately in the early 90s, Enix also decided to close its American branch and hasn't really come back, so the Dragon Warrior cartoon didn't have merchandise support. DW isn't really much like Dragonball except for the chara designs.
Thanks for the info. Is the Dragon Quest anime done by Toriyama then? I thought it was a Dungeons and Dragons fantasy type of story.

[Conan-san]

Yep, Dragon Quest is called Dragon Warrior in America (not sure about Europe).
I wouldn't know, they never realse anything good RPG wise over here (esp, Enix Games)

[Duke]

Thanks for the info. Is the Dragon Quest anime done by Toriyama then? I thought it was a Dungeons and Dragons fantasy type of story.
There's a bunch of different Dragon Quest anime out there, and the only one dubbed was the one done by AT. Jeff Harris has a description somewhere on the Killer Apps section of his site...

[Gary L Thompson]

DW isn't really much like Dragonball except for the chara designs.I would disagree with that, though I would agree there's very little resemblance to the DBZ seasons. I would imagine Goku would be pretty similar to Abel if Goku wasn't so innocent in the ways of the world. The strongest parallel I see is between the turtle hermit and Yanack the Wizard, very similar in personality. I can see faint echoes in Abel's sidekick Moko of Krillin and Yajirobe, and likewise in Tiala of Chi Chi and Bulma. Baramos would fit right in with Goku's world as a fearsome and meglomaniac master villian, and his obsession with obtaining the red stone to waken the dragon isn't that far from the concept of dragonballs. Our heroes briefly took a little girl in tow during their jaunt to arctic regions, who wasn't that different from Snow--though the circumstances of Goku meeting Snow were very different, as she saved him. The only DW character who doesn't have any real parallel in Dragonball is Daisy, the only woman in Goku's world even close to having Daisy's fierceness is Lunch--and then only her Mr. Hyde side.

[lostrune]

I would disagree with that, though I would agree there's very little resemblance to the DBZ seasons. I would imagine Goku would be pretty similar to Abel if Goku wasn't so innocent in the ways of the world. The strongest parallel I see is between the turtle hermit and Yanack the Wizard, very similar in personality. I can see faint echoes in Abel's sidekick Moko to Krillin and Yajirobe, and likewise in Tiala to Chi Chi and Bulma. Baramos would fit right in with Goku's world as a fearsome and meglomaniac master villian, and his obsession with obtaining the red stone to waken the dragon isn't that far from the concept of dragonballs. Our heroes briefly took a little girl in tow during their jaunt to arctic regions, who wasn't that different from Snow--though the circumstances of Goku meeting Snow were very different, as she saved him. The only DW character who doesn't have any real parallel in Dragonball is Daisy, the only woman in Goku's world even close to having Daisy's fierceness is Lunch--and then only her Mr. Hyde side.

There may be some character and plot similarities, but when it's said Dragon Quest/Warrior is like Dragon Ball/Z, yeah well, the first thing on people's minds on DB/Z is it's a fighting anime - but DQ/W is a quest anime (no tournaments, no jonesing on who's the strongest, etc). So no, I wouldn't say DQ/W is like DB/Z.

[RD!]

Aww. Any opinions I had on the matter have already beaten the horse. Except for: Top Cat is the only truly good Hanna-Barbera cartoon.

[Gary L Thompson]

I would give Hanna Barbera a bit more credit than that, though I agree "Top Cat" is a good cartoon and one of their best.

There may be some character and plot similarities, but when it's said Dragon Quest/Warrior is like Dragon Ball/Z, yeah well, the first thing on people's minds on DB/Z is it's a fighting anime - but DQ/W is a quest anime (no tournaments, no jonesing on who's the strongest, etc). So no, I wouldn't say DQ/W is like DB/Z.
I think "Dragonball" is largely a quest cartoon (hey, they were out after the dragonballs!), especially in the first story arc, and the real fighting takes place in DBZ (which I said has little in common with "Dragon Warrior"). Plus the landscapes that Goku and Abel led their respective entourages across while on their quests had a lot of similarities as well, being mainly vast wild and rustic wideopen spaces.

[Jeff Harris]

There's a bunch of different Dragon Quest anime out there, and the only one dubbed was the one done by AT. Jeff Harris has a description somewhere on the Killer Apps section of his site...
http://www.thexbridge.com/candidatetwelve.html

It's kind of old, and the companies have changed. For instance, ENIX is now Square Enix. Saban Entertainment is now Sensation Entertainment (probably because Haim Saban isn't a part of Buena Vista). TSR was bought by Wizards of the Coast who were later bought by Hasbro (who's TSR? I'll talk about them later).

Dragon Warrior was syndicated in several areas in the late-80s in very early morning areas, and only 13 episodes were dubbed. I tell ya, if the DBZ fans got wind of this series, it could probably bring new fans to the Dragon Warrior.

To answer Desslar's thoughts, Dragon Warrior IS kind of like a Dungeons and Dragons-type franchise. So much so that D&D's owners TSR prevented Enix (who created the franchise with Bird Studio, Toriyama's homebase) and Nintendo (who distributed the game domestically) from using the Dragon Quest name, which was a D&D spinoff franchise. Dragon Warrior never caught on in the states, unfortunately, but perhaps with the guided muscle of their new corporate sibling Square, it could find an audience stateside.

[Gary L Thompson]

http://www.thexbridge.com/candidatetwelve.html

It's kind of old, and the companies have changed. For instance, ENIX is now Square Enix. Saban Entertainment is now Sensation Entertainment (probably because Haim Saban isn't a part of Buena Vista). TSR was bought by Wizards of the Coast who were later bought by Hasbro (who's TSR? I'll talk about them later).

Dragon Warrior was syndicated in several areas in the late-80s in very early morning areas, and only 13 episodes were dubbed. I tell ya, if the DBZ fans got wind of this series, it could probably bring new fans to the Dragon Warrior.

To answer Desslar's thoughts, Dragon Warrior IS kind of like a Dungeons and Dragons-type franchise. So much so that D&D's owners TSR prevented Enix (who created the franchise with Bird Studio, Toriyama's homebase) and Nintendo (who distributed the game domestically) from using the Dragon Quest name, which was a D&D spinoff franchise. Dragon Warrior never caught on in the states, unfortunately, but perhaps with the guided muscle of their new corporate sibling Square, it could find an audience stateside.
We can only hope so.

While not quite on-topic, I can't resist saying your predictions are pretty interesting in retrospect. "Gundam SD" you pretty much nailed. Unfortunately the radical restructuring of Toonami has totally changed the picture, but "Jackie Chan" is coming to CN's new afternoon block, "X-Men Evolution" has already been here (though not on Toonami), "Megaman" is probably just a matter of time as far as CN is concerned, and "Sonic"--with Fox Box's No. 2 hit coming to the new afternoon block, who's to say their No. 1 won't show up eventually as well? "Kikader" did come over--on Adult Swim--sadly, "Zone of the Enders" didn't, as well as "Nadesico". ADV seems to aggressively promote its series at MIPCOM (it was trumpeting "Kaleido Star", "Angelic Layer", "Azumanga Daioh" and "Final Fantasy Unlimited" among others last week), but despite a great product they certainly had abysmal success with American networks again unless their sales pitch got a lot better than past years. And until they get the "Anime Network" established as a basic channel, they're really shooting themselves in the foot. Comcast's video-on-demand service is really just a high-tech version of Blockbusters, and ADV has been just killing both its prospective conventional and VOD rentals by failing to place more series on Kids WB, Toonami, Adult Swim, Jetix, Anime Unleashed, Asia Street, etc. Though who knows--with Comcast gobbling up TechTV lately, who knows if Comcast might use its bargaining power to force ADV to strictly put its series on Anime Unleashed?

Cue "if only" sighs here: "Calamity Jane" (well, CN has picked up a couple French series, why not this one as well), "One Piece" (well, it might, if the enigma of it being acquired for America in the first place is ever solved--though it would help if CN hadn't suddenly abandoned weekday programming for the DBZ demographic for now), "Slayers" (International Channel picked up the subbed version a few years ago, by the time the show went off IC had been sold on anime enough to go into it a big way--coincidence?--I could easily see Williams Street still snapping this up the day Fox's rights expire), "Roughnecks" (BKN is still sitting on a very impressive library of shows, if it's serious about getting back into competition in the marketplace, it should start bringing a few of its cult favorites out of limbo).

P.S.--while looking back, Desslar, I realized I had forgotten to address one of your questions, so I remedied that. Hopefully, "Tekkaman Blade" is another anime with-fate-quite-undeserved that will get its rightful due on American TV someday.

[Isondill]

I don't think Boomerang was made with intentions of anime sharing the classic Hanna-Barbera cartoons but I believe that if this was done right it would make perfect sense. Anime is a form of Animation/Cartoons and there are classic Anime series, So why not? I'd love to see it happen and work successfully.

[Ickis]

Boomerang needs waaayyyy more old cartoons,BUT NO MORE ANIME!!! THERE WAY TOO MUCH OF THAT CRAP AS IT IS.Speed Racer is the only decent anime show but I dont consider it anime 'cuz nobody has the stupid eyes or huge mouth or veins when they're yelling.I have nothing against anime I just hate it though because theres too much of it.Boomerang should show a few 90's cartoons like 2 stupid dogs,than I might chill.:evil:

[Yash]

Boomerang needs waaayyyy more old cartoons,BUT NO MORE ANIME!!! THERE WAY TOO MUCH OF THAT CRAP AS IT IS.Speed Racer is the only decent anime show but I dont consider it anime 'cuz nobody has the stupid eyes or huge mouth or veins when they're yelling.I have nothing against anime I just hate it though because theres too much of it.Boomerang should show a few 90's cartoons like 2 stupid dogs,than I might chill.:evil:I knew you'd bring up 2 Stupid Dogs. I knew it.

Also, I don't think it's neccessary for you to bring Anime-hating #$*^ into this thread. It was funny when you said "I have nothing against anime I just hate it", where your first statement completely contradicts your second. And since when did Boomerang have anything good to begin with? Not many people even get it. Also, as you say you don't like Anime because of "eyes, mouth, veins, etc.", I could easily say I don't like 2 Stupid Dogs because it's a blatant rip-off of Ren and Stimpy in every way. Which of course isn't true (HB wanted to make competition against R&S but with less emphasis on potty humor). You seem to imply that a few 30-minute spans on a single network could make it push up daisies, although it couldn't. Many networks have had failures - and besides that, Anime is very popular itself, and would probaby attract more viewers than it ever could before (c'mon, it's crap Hanna-Barbara and Scooby-Doo marathons every week). One thing the network needs is VARIETY, which currently it doesn't have.

Chill.

[Ickis]

I am chilled,now,but anyway,If boomerang shows nothing good your putting down Looney toons,Harvey toons,and Tom and Jerry.If Boomerang started showing Anime it would be clutterd with it and then Boomerang would become Animerang.Theres just too much Anime these days.

[Duke]

I am chilled,now,but anyway,If boomerang shows nothing good your putting down Looney toons,Harvey toons,and Tom and Jerry.If Boomerang started showing Anime it would be clutterd with it and then Boomerang would become Animerang.Theres just too much Anime these days.
How would it become "cluttered"? If I understand correctly, there's only about 7 hours of programming or so on Boomerang that just repeats endlessly, correct? Well, put shows like Lupin III, Knights of the Zodiac/Saint Seiya, Astro Boy, Gigantor, Mobile Suit Gundam, Robotech, and Voltron on there and you not only increased your schedule but got some new subscribers.

I seriously doubt anime would ever take over Boomerang, but a few hours a day wouldn't hurt. Seriously, unless they start doing 90's stuff, the majority of old anime is going to stay in Japan.

[virgojay]

I like that idea. ;)

[SpaceCowboy]

I'm a little surprised that CN hasn't considered airing "Dragon Warrior", considering it's very much like Dragonball (not surprising, since they were designed by the same creator). Maybe it's because they only finished dubbing the first 13 episodes, so anyone who aired them would face a demand to complete the series....if you liked Dragonball, you should like this series. I saw "Macron I" on the same independent station that aired "Dragon Warrior" (and the Harmony Gold "Dragonball", for that matter), but only learned about "Tekkaman" in retrospect after watching "Teknoman" years later.
If Funimation saw this as another big money-maker, they'd probably pick it up and redub the first 13 episodes. If a new DQ videogame comes out in Japan, it would not be out of the possiblity that they would want to revive the franchise.


I suspect the 1980s series I've mentioned could be picked up for a song (the movies from that era could pose a bit more difficulty). Except for "Speed Racer", I suspect the other 1960s series could be picked up fairly easily too. "Prince Planet", "The Amazing Three" and "King Kong" (an American co-production) have been in such obscurity that they could probably go at any price, assuming the old tapes and rights-holders could be located (in regard to "The Amazing Three", it must also be considered that the rights to Tezuka's 1960s series have generally been in a mess). "Gigantor", "Eight Man", "Astroboy" and "Kimba" have come out on video in recent years, so I imagine they shouldn't be too difficult to pick up for broadcast. "Marine Boy" hasn't appeared anywhere to my knowledge, why this would be is kind of puzzling, since it was a long-running show that apparently picked up a lot of fans. Incidently, a contemporary to "Battle of the Planets", "Star Blazers", was aired by CN on its website, I don't imagine it would be too difficult to pick up again.

As of now, all American "Astroboy" properties are in the hands of Sony and they seem to be keeping its older TV incarnations under wraps until the new CGI movie comes out within a few years. Unless the original English dub prints for most of Tezuka's other '60s anime series are still in good condition in a vault, a lot of these series' TV dub prints would be lost. Unless the audio can be recovered and resynched with film masters from Japan it is possible, which was done with "Astroboy".
Boomerang would be the ideal place to re-air these old shows and many adults who grew up from that time period would reconize them.

[Yash]

I'm not putting down LT, HT, or T&J (even though I don't like them much)... but all Boomerang seems to show Hanna-Barbara crap that takes up space well-deserved by good shows. I'm sure the loss of a few Scooby-Doo marathons isn't going to hurt the network.

[Ickis]

Your right,and definitly that dumb T and J marathon,,all friday to staturday.Anime would be great for there sunday line up.CN just needs more classics (e.g 2 stupid dogs),Now your wondering if I'll quit talking about 2 stupid dogs,well I shall.:D

[magicjac]

I think that Boomrang should focus on Looney Tunes and Classic Hanna-Barbera such as Flintstones,Yogi Bear, & Huckberry Hound.
I agree. Anime should be kept off of Boomerang. Boomerang's concept is classic Hanna-Barbera cartoons, and they had nothing to do with anime. Besides, if anime did air on Boomerang, they would be shot off quick. There are so many Hanna-Barbera cartoons that Boomerang constantly changes their schedule.

[Duke]

Besides, if anime did air on Boomerang, they would be shot off quick. There are so many Hanna-Barbera cartoons that Boomerang constantly changes their schedule.
I thought Boomerang constantly changes their schedule because they don't have enough material to fill 24 hours a day?

[Chris Wood]

Boomerang's concept is classic Hanna-Barbera cartoons, and they had nothing to do with anime.
That's only because they happen to have the rights to the Hanna Barbera library. If they could acquire some classic anime series they'd be right at home with Scooby and company.

[PeppeRaskell1]

Battle of the Planets (the English 1978 "drub" with 7-Zark-7 and Hoyt S. Curtin's BG music) will be joining Boomerang's "Boomeraction" lineup on Sunday mornings at 9, effective the week of May 2nd . And there's a BotP marathon this morning.

Okay, so it ain't Voltron or Knights of the Zodiac, but there will be anime of a sort on Boomerang.

PeppeRaskell1
"Call it 'Gatchaman', call it 'Eagle Riders', call it 'G-Force', call it 'Anything But Late for Supper', but call it a classic..."

"Some realities are hard to face when you're just a kid..."

[Gary L Thompson]

Boomerang needs waaayyyy more old cartoons,BUT NO MORE ANIME!!! THERE WAY TOO MUCH OF THAT CRAP AS IT IS.Speed Racer is the only decent anime show but I dont consider it anime 'cuz nobody has the stupid eyes or huge mouth or veins when they're yelling.I have nothing against anime I just hate it though because theres too much of it.Boomerang should show a few 90's cartoons like 2 stupid dogs,than I might chill.:evil:When "Two Stupid Dogs" first aired, I could not believe the glowing letters they read from viewers, I thought the show was so stupid that I had a hard time conceiving it would appeal to anybody. "Secret Squirrel" I liked a bit better, some episodes where they played it fairly deadpan straight were geniunely funny, like when SS and Mole caught a chameleon art thief through modern art, or the episode in which SS got laid off because of budget cuts (a lot of episodes though, were crazy and stupid rather than funny). Regardless whether you love or hate "Two Stupid Dogs" though, 1990s shows are just too recent to fit in with the Boomerang concept, which is basically to cash in on the older generation's nostalgia for shows they saw when they were young.

How would it become "cluttered"? If I understand correctly, there's only about 7 hours of programming or so on Boomerang that just repeats endlessly, correct? Well, put shows like Lupin III, Knights of the Zodiac/Saint Seiya, Astro Boy, Gigantor, Mobile Suit Gundam, Robotech, and Voltron on there and you not only increased your schedule but got some new subscribers.

I seriously doubt anime would ever take over Boomerang, but a few hours a day wouldn't hurt. Seriously, unless they start doing 90's stuff, the majority of old anime is going to stay in Japan.I pretty much agree with you 100%, except for "Lupin III" and "Knights of the Zodiac/Saint Seiya", which are current shows as far as America TV viewers are concerned unless they were part of the old 1980s Japanimation club showings (yeah, I know, it bites that it worked out that way historically, but there you are).

As of now, all American "Astroboy" properties are in the hands of Sony and they seem to be keeping its older TV incarnations under wraps until the new CGI movie comes out within a few years. Unless the original English dub prints for most of Tezuka's other '60s anime series are still in good condition in a vault, a lot of these series' TV dub prints would be lost. Unless the audio can be recovered and resynched with film masters from Japan it is possible, which was done with "Astroboy".
Boomerang would be the ideal place to re-air these old shows and many adults who grew up from that time period would reconize them.Well, obviously "Astroboy", "Gigantor", "Kimba", and "Eight Man" are in good condition and their rights are pretty clear, since they came out on video ("Kimba" almost certainly would have been out at the time when "The Lion King" was out in the theaters, if it weren't for the rights being in a mess at that time, like I said). Ironically, since the originals for "Astroboy" seem to have long perished, when Japan celebrated Astroboy's "anniversary", they used American episodes (recently discovered in a warehouse) and ran the whole series on Japanese TV with Japanese subtitles! The other 1960s series....well, I hope it works out like you suggest, though we would have to wait and see. I think chances are obviously much better for tracking down and obtaining the 1980s programs on early cable, except for the movies, like I said before. Apparently they haven't aired in years because American International Pictures' rights expired, and apparently only an odd movie or two like "Alakazam the Great" has been tracked down and released so far. More the pity....

That's only because they happen to have the rights to the Hanna Barbera library. If they could acquire some classic anime series they'd be right at home with Scooby and company.Actually, believe or not, there is one classic HB cartoon (if we're talking of 1980s) that could be considered an anime. That would be the "Mighty Orbots", which I believe was a co-production between Sunrise and HB.

Battle of the Planets (the English 1978 "drub" with 7-Zark-7 and Hoyt S. Curtin's BG music) will be joining Boomerang's "Boomeraction" lineup on Sunday mornings at 9, effective the week of May 2nd . And there's a BotP marathon this morning.

Okay, so it ain't Voltron or Knights of the Zodiac, but there will be anime of a sort on Boomerang.

PeppeRaskell1
"Call it 'Gatchaman', call it 'Eagle Riders', call it 'G-Force', call it 'Anything But Late for Supper', but call it a classic..."Well, it could be the start of a promising trend, as long as the network limits it strictly to anime aired in the U.S. from the 1960s-1980s. And turns to other pre-1990s classic animation collections to supplement their old line HB/MGM/WB core library as well.

[magicjac]

I thought Boomerang constantly changes their schedule because they don't have enough material to fill 24 hours a day?Maybe that is why. I don't get Boomerang, so I don't really know. Sorry if I offended anyone. I just don't really like the idea of anime on Boomerang, but I think that classic anime fans have a right to want to see them again. Maybe their should be a classic anime channel. Or some classic anime could be shown on a channel they fit in with. I wish I had Boomerang though. I may have been born in the 90's, but I grew up watching classic Hanna-Barbera on the old cartoon Network. Too bad my cable provder doesn't supply the channel. I wish they did.

[Mackaybear]

I currently don't get Boomerang after having had it for a number of years on Satellite. But I like the old Hanna Barbera stuff and miss it on CN as well. Better than the constant repeating of Cartoon Cartoons three or four times a day. BUT I'd love to see classic anime on Boomerang. Battle of the Planets, Voltron, AstroBoy, all the stuff that aired in the sixties to eighties.


Done say on Sundays in a block. Or even a weeknight block. It would make a wonderful addition to the old favorites.

I never understand how people get so cranky over things. If it's not something you want to watch change stations. I pass by stuff I don't like. I don't want it off the air just because I don't like it. I do understand that I'm older and have different tastes than a lot of animation fans.

Putting Classic anime on Boomerang would be enough to push me into moving into an apartment where I could put up a Satellite dish.

[RAINMAN]

Ronin warriors on boomerang?

[Duke]

Ronin warriors on boomerang?
Eh, it's debatable. In ten or so years, then yes, definately. It does have that old-ish look to it.

[RAINMAN]

It come out in japan in the late 80`s.

[lostrune]

It come out in japan in the late 80`s.

That doesn't count. Boomerang pertains to shows shown a long time ago in America. Old European-only toons don't count neither.

[Gary L Thompson]

Agreed. I think the basic idea behind Boomerang is to take advantage of nostalgia having a boomerang effect in viewership--young parents tune into cartoon shows they have fond memories of watching as kids, their kids watch with them and get hooked into shows too. The 1990s are just too recent for its shows to have this effect. Boomerang should be mostly concentrating on shows from the 1950s-1970s, and just now starting to ease into the 1980s.

[krazymed]

America will never accept anime in its present form, let alone its classic form. So in a word, no.

[rodineisilveira]

São Paulo - SP, Brazil, May 11, 2004 (3 months remaining to the 2004 Olympic Games, which will be held in Athens, Greece).

Hello, Artemis and all the friends who attend the Toon Zone forums!

Here in Brazil (and also in Latin America), Boomerang (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com.br/boomerang or http://www.cartoonnetworkla.com/english/boomerang) have been aired a classic anime on its programming schedule: Speed Racer (which Tatsunoko [http://www.tatsunoko.co.jp ] produced in association with Trans-Lux Television, in 1967). And Speed Racer is being aired this month, inside the Boomeraction block, from Mondays to Fridays on the following schedules: 8:00 A.M., 4:00 P.M. and midnight (these schedules also apply to the Brazilian official time).
Well, this was what I've had to report here.
Ciao and amen!

Cheers from this faithful friend who always writes 4 U,

Rodinei Campos da Silveira (from São Paulo, Brazil)
Meet me on my e-mails: mailto:rodinei@starmedia.com (rodinei@starmedia.com), mailto:rodineic@excite.com (rodineic@excite.com), mailto:rodineisilveira@bol.com.br (rodineisilveira@bol.com.br) or mailto:rcsbrasil@mort.zzn.com (rcsbrasil@mort.zzn.com). You're always wellcome!

Go, Speed Racer, go, Speed Racer, go, Speed Racer, goooooooooooooooo!

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/s58/onelife_photos/Speedracer.jpg

;)

[PeppeRaskell1]

São Paulo - SP, Brazil, May 11, 2004 (3 months remaining to the 2004 Olympic Games, which will be held in Athens, Greece).

Hello, Artemis and all the friends who attend the Toon Zone forums!

Here in Brazil (and also in Latin America), Boomerang (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com.br/boomerang or http://www.cartoonnetworkla.com/english/boomerang) have been aired a classic anime on its programming schedule: Speed Racer (which Tatsunoko [http://www.tatsunoko.co.jp (http://www.tatsunoko.co.jp/) ] produced in association with Trans-Lux Television, in 1967). And Speed Racer is being aired this month, inside the Boomeraction block, from Mondays to Fridays on the following schedules: 8:00 A.M., 4:00 P.M. and midnight (these schedules also apply to the Brazilian official time).
Well, this was what I've had to report here.
Ciao and amen!

Cheers from this faithful friend who always writes 4 U,

Rodinei Campos da Silveira (from São Paulo, Brazil)
Meet me on my e-mails: mailto:rodinei@starmedia.com (rodinei@starmedia.com), mailto:rodineic@excite.com (rodineic@excite.com), mailto:rodineisilveira@bol.com.br (rodineisilveira@bol.com.br) or mailto:rcsbrasil@mort.zzn.com (rcsbrasil@mort.zzn.com). You're always wellcome!

Go, Speed Racer, go, Speed Racer, go, Speed Racer, goooooooooooooooo!

;)
Here in the States, the old Tatsunoko Speed Racer is currently airing on a Digital Cable TV channel called "Speed." And there's a new version of the Anime airing now on Nickelodeon's GAS Channel.

Battle of the Planets is airing on the BoomerAction Sunday lineup.

PeppeRaskell1
"Ahhh, the joys of having Digital Cable..."

[lostrune]

Here in the States, the old Tatsunoko Speed Racer is currently airing on a Digital Cable TV channel called "Speed."

Heh, it may be digital in your area, but I can get the Speed Channel just using the analog VCR. :)

[Chris Wood]

America will never accept anime in its present form, let alone its classic form. So in a word, no.
This is a joke, right?

[Duke]

This is a joke, right?
If it was accepted, Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, & Tokyo Godfathers would have recieved heavy promotion and would have been released in more than 10 theaters across the country.

[lostrune]

If it was accepted, Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, & Tokyo Godfathers would have recieved heavy promotion and would have been released in more than 10 theaters across the country.

Spirited Away had about 700 theatres at one point. Not quite wide release but far from 10.

[Beat]

Time. Walls of ignorance (cough4Kidscough) don't break overnight.

[Duke]

Spirited Away had about 700 theatres at one point. Not quite wide release but far from 10.
The closest theater to me was in Philidelphia at this really small theater that showed a whopping 2 movies. Even Muvico, which had the 4th & 5th Pokémon Movies, didn't carry it.

[Sketch]

Not that they'd all be anime... but I think it'd be cool if Boomerang made a Toonami block. They air actionc cartoons afterall... They could have Moltar host or the old Clyde host who didn't talk. The shows they could air would be Thundercats, GI-Joe, Battle of the Planets, Silverhawks, The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, SWAT Cats, Pirates of Dark Water, The Superfriends, the old Superman shorts, old HB action shows, Young Robinhood, and maybe even Batmtan: TAS (it's older than TRAO Johnny Quest and looks about as old as Pirates of Dark Water (the first seasons anyway). It would be watch for sure. Then dare I say they pick up Voltron again (Robotech is a lost cause and we all know it) and maybe finally get Transformers G1 on the air (hard to do but maybe they could pull it off).

Boomerang really has no formual to it. It's just kinda there. Adding a prime time block and a retroNami would be a great start, especially if they find a way to make it easier to get with your cable or satalite provider.

[MahouShoujo13]

I don't mean any anime, just classic anime. Classic anime in AMERICA, not Japan. That would mean Knights of the Zodiac, Lupin III, and Mobile Suit Gundam wouldn't be elligible.

I'm thinking about Robotech, Voltron, Battle of The Planets, Speed Racer, Astro Boy, and Gigantor. Stuff adults grew up with since Boomerang is marketing itself as a "Nostalgia Channel" rather than a "Classics Channel". Hence why Hanna-Barbera crap dominate its airwaves instead of classic LT/MGM shorts...y'know the good stuff.

So I figure, if that's how they wanna be why not air some some nostalgic anime while they're at it? I know they lost the rights to like, all of those, but it's still a nice thought.

They really oughta cut back on the H-B crap, though, and give some more hours to classic LT/MGM shorts.

Anyway, just an idea.

That's good. You should add Speed Racer also.

[lostrune]

Not that they'd all be anime... but I think it'd be cool if Boomerang made a Toonami block. They air actionc cartoons afterall... They could have Moltar host or the old Clyde host who didn't talk. The shows they could air would be Thundercats, GI-Joe, Battle of the Planets,

Isn't there already a new block called Boomeraction where Battle of the Planets air?

[ZumbidoMetal]

Isn't there already a new block called Boomeraction where Battle of the Planets air?Boomeraction isn't new. But yes Battle of the Planets does air on it.
Other shows currently running on Boomeraction...
Valley Of The Dinosaurs, Birdman/Galaxy Trio, Space Ghost/Dino Boy, The Herculoids, New Adventures of Huck Finn, Superfriends, G.I. Joe, Thundarr The Barbarian, Sky Commanders, Pirates of Dark Water and Young Robin Hood.
Also a 2-hour shorts block including 2 shorts from each. Featuring Shazzan!, Arabian Knights, Mighty Mightor, Moby Dick, Frankenstein Jr, The Impossibles, and Samson and Goliath.

Other shows that have aired on Boomeraction...
Jonny Quest, SWAT Cats, Fantastic Four, Mr. T, Chuck Norris’ Karate Kommandos, Dragon's Lair, and Goldie Gold and Action Jack.

[Beat]

Expand Boomeraction to include more anime then. No need to slap the Toonami label on it.

[Sketch]

Expand Boomeraction to include more anime then. No need to slap the Toonami label on it.
Moltar my friend, Moltar. He makes everything wonderful.

[Gary L Thompson]

Boomeraction isn't new. But yes Battle of the Planets does air on it.
Other shows currently running on Boomeraction...
Valley Of The Dinosaurs, Birdman/Galaxy Trio, Space Ghost/Dino Boy, The Herculoids, New Adventures of Huck Finn, Superfriends, G.I. Joe, Thundarr The Barbarian, Sky Commanders, Pirates of Dark Water and Young Robin Hood.
Also a 2-hour shorts block including 2 shorts from each. Featuring Shazzan!, Arabian Knights, Mighty Mightor, Moby Dick, Frankenstein Jr, The Impossibles, and Samson and Goliath.

Other shows that have aired on Boomeraction...
Jonny Quest, SWAT Cats, Fantastic Four, Mr. T, Chuck Norris’ Karate Kommandos, Dragon's Lair, and Goldie Gold and Action Jack.Not that they'd all be anime... but I think it'd be cool if Boomerang made a Toonami block. They air actionc cartoons afterall... They could have Moltar host or the old Clyde host who didn't talk. The shows they could air would be Thundercats, GI-Joe, Battle of the Planets, Silverhawks, The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, SWAT Cats, Pirates of Dark Water, The Superfriends, the old Superman shorts, old HB action shows, Young Robinhood, and maybe even Batmtan: TAS (it's older than TRAO Johnny Quest and looks about as old as Pirates of Dark Water (the first seasons anyway). It would be watch for sure. Then dare I say they pick up Voltron again (Robotech is a lost cause and we all know it) and maybe finally get Transformers G1 on the air (hard to do but maybe they could pull it off).

Boomerang really has no formual to it. It's just kinda there. Adding a prime time block and a retroNami would be a great start, especially if they find a way to make it easier to get with your cable or satalite provider.I think the notion of an retro action block with Toonami's original hosts is basically sound, it probably would attract more interest in the channel. However, I notice that Boomeraction's lineups have tended to emphasize Saturday AM shows, whereas I think the better action shows tended to be in the weekday syndication market. Maybe the addition of "Battle of the Planets" is signalling the start of a trend in that direction.

[William C. Maune]

I definitely think Boomerang should air classic anime. Classic animation is classic animation no matter where its from. I wonder if Z Gundam is too new to air on Boomerang?

[guinaevere]

Ooooh! This would be awesome!

How about that old Mazinga show? can't remember the name... Well, anyway. Yes. I'd love to see Boomerang showcase a classic anime block.

[Zero Kagayaki]

about megaman the series?

[anime fan]

hanna barbera made some of the best cartoons ever made its not crap those guys are animation giniusses.

[Chris Wood]

If it was accepted, Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, & Tokyo Godfathers would have recieved heavy promotion and would have been released in more than 10 theaters across the country.
You mean like the Transformers, Gobots, and Batman animated movies?

[Dai_]

I will like to see some old anime series like those "maho shoujo" type like Lula Belle or Gigi.But i think it could be much for a channel like Boomerang to do this ........... :D