Windows source code leaked. o.O;

[Lightwave]

http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=17509&category=main

I actually find this funny, to some extent. Still pretty bad, as Windows actually has many faults. x_x;

Opinions?

[SlyBoy]

Holy ****.

[Speedy Boris]

To paraphrase a line from King of the Hill: "A grid! A trillion lines of computer code, crashing down!"

[RZetlin]

Well Linux is open source code and they haven't recieve a wave of hacks.

[jeffrey 228]

Well I just read that article and that I have a feeling that now some of the hackers have gotten a hold of it, there is now chances that they can figure it out then make a virus similar to the W95.CIH, and I got a feeling that is probbly they have stolen the code and stuff, to figure it points out then given enough pratice and breaking through the NT Consule, there will be chances that it could if not possable root itself to hook it self to the bios and then when if by any chance they will have broken the code, plus this new stolen code means more securety risks and all.

[FredNash]

Hmm, I wouldn't mind taking a look at that code myself...

[Speedy Boris]

Well Linux is open source code and they haven't recieve a wave of hacks. I'm just making a theory, but I think the reason people like to hack Windows is because it claims to be the best operating system in the world. Maybe if it could legitimately back up its claims, people wouldn't be as eager to hack it. Or not. Heck if I know how hacker logic works... :shrug:

[Psycho Fox]

Well Linux is open source code and they haven't recieve a wave of hacks.That's becouse open source is of a different ideology.

See from the logic of open source you make the source open, so while a hacker can now see sercurity holes so can anyone else so odds are the hole would be patched even before someone makes use of a security hole

On the other hand Windows is closed, the code is seen by only a hand full of people so it has the direct flaw of problem won't be even noticed since far fewer are looking at the code then say Linux. Yet if no one sees the code it will also take longer for a person to find a flaw. What this leak does is allow people to find flaws faster and while MS still can't patch as fast as Linux this leak is a very bad think of MS

[sl4]

Heard about this yesterday...fun stuff. This sort of thing is why I've wanted to learn C for so long. =(

[Psycho Fox]

Heard about this yesterday...fun stuff. This sort of thing is why I've wanted to learn C for so long. =(uhh the code leak was about 650 megs and only a fraction. Windows is so bloated and sloppy why bother? You can get you hand on Linux,BSD and Open BeOS code for free and they are much more easier to follow.

[sl4]

uhh the code leak was about 650 megs and only a fraction. Windows is so bloated and sloppy why bother? You can get you hand on Linux,BSD and Open BeOS code for free and they are much more easier to follow.

I'm a Mac user. Do you really think if I had the chance to play with the Windows sourcecode I'd actually do something good with it?

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*runs from hungry lawyers*

[Jaguar]

*chases sl4* Come back and TAKE YOUR SUBPEONA LIKE A MAN!

[Lucky Bob]

uhh the code leak was about 650 megs and only a fraction. Windows is so bloated and sloppy why bother? You can get you hand on Linux,BSD and Open BeOS code for free and they are much more easier to follow.
It's not as fun as playing with the Windows source code. :D

Besides, much as I like Linux, I still don't think it's ready for primetime. But with all the companies getting behind it these days, I give it, at the most, 5 years. Maybe even much sooner.

Also, another prediction, Dell will be shipping PCs with Linux soon. You heard it from me!

And this (http://linux.dell.com/) doesn't hurt my prediction, either.

[Psycho Fox]

It's not as fun as playing with the Windows source code. :D
Naa *nix and Be OS is more fun to play with since you actully make use of it.

I like the fact I can be able to play a MP3, file share, burn a CD, format a floopy, print a file, be on IRC at a good clip on a Amiga 3000UX with SCSI running Unix at command line that only goes about 30 MHZ, it means on a modern machine you can really fly, Windows won't even let you do everything from the command line what kinda of wussy system is that?

[SlyBoy]

Windows won't even let you do everything from the command line what kinda of wussy system is that?
Who needs command lines? I sure don't.

[Lucky Bob]

Naa *nix and Be OS is more fun to play with since you actully make use of it.

I like the fact I can be able to play a MP3, file share, burn a CD, format a floopy, print a file, be on IRC at a good clip on a Amiga 3000UX with SCSI running Unix at command line that only goes about 30 MHZ, it means on a modern machine you can really fly, Windows won't even let you do everything from the command line what kinda of wussy system is that?
Little hint. This wasn't a cue for you to start another anti-Windows tirade. Just an observation on the Linux world.

[Karl Olson]

I've heard that the comments in the code are filled with notes sent and back forth between the programmers, some of which are quite amusing. Granted, I wouldn't mind seeing the source myself, and I know some C++ to boot :).

Throw Away Conspiracy Theory: WindowsXP has not been getting adapted by previous Microsoft OS users at a quick rate. However a security scare related to the older OSes might get some companies to adapt newer OSes, no? ;)

[Lucky Bob]

Know what? Skip C and C++. Learn assembly. Then, you can start doing stuff like this:


http://www.menuetos.org/




Wow. Just...wow.

[Psycho Fox]

Who needs command lines? I sure don't.I admit a desktop is nice but if you want to speed up your system and unless you got a streamlined desktop written in assembly like RiscOS command line is much better. For those with Linux try just running X11 with just a command window with no KDE or GNOME and see the difference in speed. Oh and some old computer users like me find it much faster to naviage the computer via keyboard the mouse, I can spit out *nix commands faster than anyone I know can move the mouse to do the same. Oh and the fact that this skill allowed me to hack into my Tech school's keypads in the rooms next to the doors and display happy 10 TTA anni during the 10th anni of TTA is kinda a cool.

Know what? Skip C and C++. Learn assembly. Then, you can start doing stuff like this:


http://www.menuetos.org/




Wow. Just...wow.

RiscOS (http://toastytech.com/guis/riscos4.html)Is a much better fast light OS and has more software support

[Karl Olson]

Know what? Skip C and C++. Learn assembly. Then, you can start doing stuff like this:


http://www.menuetos.org/


Wow. Just...wow.

That is admittedly pretty amazing. Coding that in assembly must have been hell though.

Granted, my next project will be a media center machine. The main drive is just gonna be a 16mb CF Card running through an CF-to-IDE adapter since will be using a similarly small, embedded OS (Geexbox Linux) and the actual files will be served off the network. Can't do that with windows, sadly (it'd take a 2 gig drive, minimum, atleast for XP with all patches.)

Anyway, it should be interesting to see what happens if the leak is traced.

[Psycho Fox]

That is admittedly pretty amazing. Coding that in assembly must have been hell though.

Granted, my next project will be a media center machine. The main drive is just gonna be a 16mb CF Card running through an CF-to-IDE adapter since will be using a similarly small, embedded OS (Geexbox Linux) and the actual files will be served off the network. Can't do that with windows, sadly (it'd take a 2 gig drive, minimum, atleast for XP with all patches.)
Cool what hardware platform you using? PPC,ARM7,X86,68K (okay a 68k would be a bit of streatch)?

[Karl Olson]

Cool what hardware platform you using? PPC,ARM7,X86,68K (okay a 68k would be a bit of streatch)?

I'm gonna go with X86 because it's what I'm immediately familar with, and it's very easy to come by in the seattle area. My biggest question is what to use as a base system. I could put together a system for 160-ish, but it'd be grossly over powered. What I need to do (since I don't feel like screwing with one of my current perfectly working boxes) is track down a used late p2/p3 box (again, getting anything else used would be tricky, though Boeing surplus might have some stuff) drop in the CF/IDE HD with GeeXBox and be setup nice.

Once this project is setup, I'm looking at the long term project of setting up a XP Cluster (but it'll be expensive at 200 bucks per node, plus a multi-user license of XP Pro,) but it'd be worth it (1000 grand + licensing fees = impressive and powerfull, though bulky video editing machine.)

[Psycho Fox]

I'm gonna go with X86 because it's what I'm immediately familar with, and it's very easy to come by in the seattle area. My biggest question is what to use as a base system. I could put together a system for 160-ish, but it'd be grossly over powered. What I need to do (since I don't feel like screwing with one of my current perfectly working boxes) is track down a used late p2/p3 box (again, getting anything else used would be tricky, though Boeing surplus might have some stuff) drop in the CF/IDE HD with GeeXBox and be setup nice. Yhea but a PPC 600MHZ G3 could run with just passive cooling that would reduce noise and power consumption. You could mail order a Pegasos II (www.pegasosppc.com)but they have a low production (and the first run had a small bug in the firm ware) run so expect waiting for months before being able to get one (The Linux community is exactly jumping over a cheap PPC machine as it is still more exensive then x86 machines). The small MB means you could get creative with the case.

If your going the X86 route don't forget you can also go the AMD route with finding K6 mother boards.


Once this project is setup, I'm looking at the long term project of setting up a XP Cluster (but it'll be expensive at 200 bucks per node, plus a multi-user license of XP Pro,) but it'd be worth it (1000 grand + licensing fees = impressive and powerfull, though bulky video editing machine.)Uhh for that money you could probably buy a really cool Linux Video editing system or maybe a old SGI work station.

[Karl Olson]

Yhea but a PPC 600MHZ G3 could run with just passive cooling that would reduce noise and power consumption. You could mail order a Pegasos II (www.pegasosppc.com)but they have a low production (and the first run had a small bug in the firm ware) run so expect waiting for months before being able to get one (The Linux community is exactly jumping over a cheap PPC machine as it is still more exensive then x86 machines). The small MB means you could get creative with the case.

If your going the X86 route don't forget you can also go the AMD route with finding K6 mother boards.

Uhh for that money you could probably buy a really cool Linux Video editing system or maybe a old SGI work station.

If I went small form factor, I'd go mini ITX or (once it's released,) nano ITX, and then I go for an even smaller case (an 12 by 12cm board allows for many things, like a multimedia speak n' read with embedded linux for full multimedia playback and network access.) By the point the nano ITX, the super low power, passively cooled Via Eden 1Ghz will be out, getting the noise to zero. However, the projected cost would be about 300 bucks, and a 1Ghz processor is excessive for GeeXBox (the 500mhz Via would be fine, especially with a decent decoder board on it.) 200 bucks gets me a new computer at fry's based on a Via C3 800 with more HD than I need, so I think the challenge will be beating that price with new parts for the video box.

And yeah, for that money I could probably scrounge up a prebuilt setup (Boeing is discarding SGI stuff regularly, and I know a person who is darn good with it, and is effectively building and SGI version of what I've described.) However, I'm looking try to something different and learn some new skills, which in the case of distributed computing/video editing, would ironically be windows based. Also, I have connections to get the OS at reasonable cost (pays to live in the land MS, where almost everyone knows some with access to the company store.)

Granted, if I got myself accomodated with the technique needed for small form factor with the media box, I could build a nanoITX nano blade server that'd be passively cooled and immensely powerful, and I could embed the OS if I went linux.

[Psycho Fox]

And yeah, for that money I could probably scrounge up a prebuilt setup (Boeing is discarding SGI stuff regularly, and I know a person who is darn good with it, and is effectively building and SGI version of what I've described.) However, I'm looking try to something different and learn some new skills, which in the case of distributed computing/video editing, would ironically be windows based. Also, I have connections to get the OS at reasonable cost (pays to live in the land MS, where almost everyone knows some with access to the company store.)
Bah I don't like putting Windows in networks as MS is the only one that doesn't obey standards so you need to put SAMBA on other computers why? becouse in internal MS emails, MS managment made it clear that MS does this to distory standards so they can expand their monopoly as they don't want people to mix Windows with non MS systems. So I rather stick to non MS solutions for everything.