simpsons

[Blue]

Anyone think that the simpson's might come to asc?

[sl4]

I don't think The Simpsons would fit on Adult Swim at all. I doubt that FOX would be willing to give it up, anyway.

[Andy Mancini]

This is the part where someone points out that they (Williams Street) want The Simpsons, adding that it will only make AS "more mainstream it already is". Seriously though, if they do get The Simpsons, I hope that it would only be the first 100 episodes. No one shows them anymore.

[Lord Dalek]

This was discussed in great length before:

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=98591&highlight=Simpsons

[Caffeine King]

Mike Lazzo said he wanted it for Adult Swim.

But I don't see what good it would do. In every city I've been to in the last several years, The Simpsons has been shown in syndication three times a day. Not to mention DVD releases. How does Lazzo expect to get decent ratings when the show is already shown constantly?
My WB used to show classic Simpsons for an hour but cut it down to a half hour and sometiems they show a full hour of recent episodes so classic Simpsons would be good on AS for me, but it doesn't seem like it would fit. :sweat:

They can do whatever they want, I wouldn't mind if they were to get The Simpsons or not. :shrug:

But if they did get syndication rights to it I'd want it to be before the sucky seasons (1997 or 1998 and beyond sucks.) But if they got the good seasons (1989-1996 (or '97) would be good. :)

But, like I said, I don't care either way. :)

[Mynd Hed]

Mike Lazzo said he wanted it for Adult Swim.

But I don't see what good it would do. In every city I've been to in the last several years, The Simpsons has been shown in syndication three times a day. Not to mention DVD releases. How does Lazzo expect to get decent ratings when the show is already shown constantly?
Well, if they showed the uncut episodes instead of the cut-for-syndication ones, they could potentially get some ratings from people who are too cheap and/or too poor and/or just aren't big enough fans to buy the DVDs, but who still want to see the uncut episodes.
It still would seem pretty out of place, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings or anything if they did it-- I just dunno if I'd watch it, personally.

What would be REALLY neat would be if they showed episodes from the first couple seasons with creator commentary on SAP, or if they took one 22-minute episode and showed it over the span of an hour, interspersed with behind-the-scenes stuff and creator interviews and such to fill in the rest of the time. That way they could also stuff in more commercials and make more of a profit. It's kind of a pipe dream, but it would be a really neat way to bring in ratings while still putting a definitive AS stamp on what's otherwise kind of a "meh, I can see this three times a day in syndication" kinda thing.

[NeueZielZeon]

Seriously though, if they do get The Simpsons, I hope that it would only be the first 100 episodes. No one shows them anymore.
It's just your syndicator. Lately, I've been getting a lot of season 3-5 episodes, and now two of my three syndicators play season 7 episodes, with my FOX syndicator play season 13 episodes (most likely getting ready for another run of season 14...something I want to see again since I've only seen a lot of 14 episodes only once). My canadian syndicator had just finished playing a showing of seasons 1 through 13 during about 3/4 of 2003.

Anyways, it's not that I wouldn't enjoy watching more Simpsons if they were on Adult Swim, and I'd love to see what kind of bumpers they could make for the show (even maybe those "next episode" bumpers they gave Futurama). But the thing is, the show can be seen on so many syndicators as it is right now, so seeing it on Adult Swim would be pointless.

[JeffTMBG]

It certainly isn't unheard of for shows to run on cable in addition to local syndication. I don't know what kind of cost they'd be looking at, though. Of course Fox would have to be willing to let the show run on cable, and something tells me if they were we'd already be seeing it somewhere.

[The Landstander]

But the thing is, the show can be seen on so many syndicators as it is right now, so seeing it on Adult Swim would be pointless.I think in the end this is what makes me think this'll either never happen or won't happen for awhile.

Though if AS were to pick it up I would watch it (especially the golden age episodes), I'm really ambivalent about it. Besides, it's on 3 times a day in my area, anyway.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

Simpsons is on 4 times a day here but it's pretty much never the very early seasons. 7 & up I believe lately. some good episodes but mostly the newer crap or *gag* the halloween eps over and over and over..... but anyway they would seem outta place on AS. not really worth the cost but then you never know if it would make them money until they try! http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

[Eddie G.]

Well lets see, I wasn't sure about this. So I checked with the Pope and he confirmed to me that there is in fact a God, so the answer is no.

Here are the reasons for not having the Simpsons on AS.

For some reason most stations only show the newer episodes, most of those aren't to good. Why would AS be any different.
Simpsons seems to get good ratings, which means there is the possibility of The Simpsons becoming too dominant on the AS line-up. Imagine The Simpsons on at 11 every night including Sunday... and hell maybe they'll splice in some Cowboy Bebop and Inuyasha scenes just so they can air it on the new Saturday action line up
Fox over plays the Simpsons, many stations over play the Simpsons. I'd rather see more originol comedy or possibly some other toon comedies coming to AS

[RTFirefly]

Maybe 15 years from now, when the Simpsons are long since over and done with, and aren't as horribly overexposed as they have been for the last ten years or so, there'll be a place for them on what I hope will be the Adult Swim Network.

Then we can all argue here over whether or not AS should produce new Simpsons episodes, or just rerun seasons 1-15 over and over.

[FredNash]

Maybe 15 years from now, when the Simpsons are long since over and done with...
Who says Simpsons will be done in 15 years and not just starting season 30?

[bassist]

Who says Simpsons will be done in 15 years and not just starting season 30?The public has been crying "dead god, just kill yourself and get it over with" for several years now. An annual special, sure. More seasons in 15 years, nah... Anyway, the reruns makes them a super-duper crapload more money than the initial airings do. I believe, and no, I don't know where it's cited, that Malcom in the Middle gets better Sunday ratings than the Simpsons do these days.

[Mugen]

The public has been crying "dead god, just kill yourself and get it over with" for several years now. An annual special, sure. More seasons in 15 years, nah... Anyway, the reruns makes them a super-duper crapload more money than the initial airings do. I believe, and no, I don't know where it's cited, that Malcom in the Middle gets better Sunday ratings than the Simpsons do these days.
I don't think so. My Washington Post every Wednesday posts ratings from the week before, and the new Simpsons episodes have contantly beat Malcom in the Middle. For example, the last new Simpsons episode garnered a 14.5, while I think Malcom got like 8.0 or something like that.

[Sketch]

I would actually like the Simpsons on ASC but with some parameters...

It would be the early seasons which we haven't seen on Fox in YEARS

They would have to be completely uncut (but could use the shorter opening if need be)



IMO replacing Family Guy for a while wouldn't be so bad, but I guess it would be better for keeping the WS shows from not getting too overplayed on weekdays.

[Mynd Hed]

I doubt anyone other than a small, but vocal, group of hardcore fans would tune in for that. Only on Cartoon Network: see the two minutes of The Simpsons throwaway footage not shown on your local television channel! Besides, how many people know what SAP is, let alone how to enable it on their TV sets?
Well, that's why the b&w cards are so nice... the WS people could inform the ignorant masses!

...But of course I agree that it's incredibly unlikely, which is why I called it a "pipe dream."

[Pimmelmann]

The public has been crying "dead god, just kill yourself and get it over with" for several years now.

Only a few angry nerds on message boards have been crying this. The John Qs watch the show like crazy; it's arguably more successful than it's ever been.

Adult Swim probably can't afford any significant chunk of "The Simpsons."

[Nick K.]

Leave Simpsons on Fox. Put The Critic on AS!!! And give the Oblongs a better time, i never got a chance to get into it!

[Artimus Gigan]

I am throughly sick of The Simpsons, after being exposed to the glorious alternitive Futurama, they can't compare...

[Anime Guy]

Leave Simpsons on Fox. Put The Critic on AS!!!Agreed. I don't see why The Critic was cancelled after 23 episodes. But, I am glad new episodes are being made on shockwave.com. It would be great on AS, IMO. It's humor is very mainstream and written like how normal people think.

[kempobot]

The Simpsons was, and will be one of the most saturated show in television history syndication wise. Despite from that being said, I, too would like to see it air on CN (hopefully airing back-to-back episodes at 10:00, leading into AS). But the reality is that Fox would sell the series to CN for an insane amount of beans (ecspecially with the success of recent purchases of Family Guy and Futurama). If the Simpsons were to be on cable anytime soon, then it would be probably on FX of all networks seeing how they whore out all of the flagship shows that once graced on FOX airwaves (X-Files, 90210, Married with Children, M*A*S*H, etc.)

[Mynd Hed]

Put The Critic on AS!!!
A lovely dream-- it would fit right in with Family Guy and Futurama-- but Viacom (the parent company of MTV, Nickelodeon, and most recently Comedy Central, among others) has the rights, so it's unlikely.

[Jaguar]

The Critic on AS sounds absolutely yummy.

As for The Simpsons....
No.
No.
No.
No.
Never.
Ever.
Ever.
Ever.

[Matthew Williams]

Columbia owns the show, so they don't have to go through Viacom for the rights. I just don't know how long Comedy Central has to run the show, and apparently they still are. But Critic > you and it deserves to be on Sunday ASC.

As for Simpsons, it's iffy. Would it work? With the right presentation and attention, sure. But if CN manages to move beyond the "just kids" stigma, I can definitely see it on, at, say, 9pm, because it has enough "all ages" appeal. Plus Fox would probably ask SO much money for it that they HAVE to show it in prime.

[bassist]

Columbia owns the show, so they don't have to go through Viacom for the rights. I just don't know how long Comedy Central has to run the show, and apparently they still are. But Critic > you and it deserves to be on Sunday ASC.If Viacom purchased the rights, even for a set period of time, then yes, WS needs to go through Viacom. And since AS runs opposite the Comedy Central animation block, it's doubtful Viacom would look highly on AS getting the critic.

As fo you Jaguar, don't you know it's trite to quoite yourself?

[Matthew Williams]

If Viacom purchased the rights, even for a set period of time, then yes, WS needs to go through Viacom. And since AS runs opposite the Comedy Central animation block, it's doubtful Viacom would look highly on AS getting the critic.
yes, but Columbia owns the distribution rights... Viacom just has airing rights. so they can shop it if Viacom lets the rights to the show expire. It can still go to AS, but just not until Viacom gives it up, if they choose to.

Plus, there's the question of the somewhat outdated references in the show. That might prove a problem for its long-term future.

[Dr.Zar]

The Critic is back?

Godlyness

:moon: : Simpsons suck err

:moon2: Suck like a Donkey would like to suck a..moustache.

[bassist]

Plus, there's the question of the somewhat outdated references in the show. That might prove a problem for its long-term future.Lupinize it!

[Master Moron]

I am throughly sick of The Simpsons, after being exposed to the glorious alternitive Futurama, they can't compare...
Yes, you really can't compare Futurama to the Simpsons. Futurama has never been NEAR the quality of the Simpsons. Futurama only appeals to a much narrower audience, whereas the Simpsons appeals to everyone.

And yes, an Adult Swim airing of the Simpsons would generate ratings if they were uncut and shown in order. I mean, think about it. Despite the series being shown in syndication 3 times a day people still buy the DVDs. What does that say? People want to see the series uncut and in order.

[bassist]

Yes, you really can't compare Futurama to the Simpsons. Futurama has never been NEAR the quality of the Simpsons. Futurama only appeals to a much narrower audience, whereas the Simpsons appeals to everyone.I'll agree on the narrower audience side, but saying Futurama can't compare in quality to the Simpsons not only pains me, but would pain Matt Groening too. I don't even think you could argue that the Simpsons is more consistant than Futurama, since they have very similar ups and downs. Personally, I would take Futurama over the Simpsons any day, and though that's my opinion, a member of the narrower audience, I don't think an objective opinion would be able to argue one over the other.

[Eddie G.]

Yes, you really can't compare Futurama to the Simpsons. Futurama has never been NEAR the quality of the Simpsons. Futurama only appeals to a much narrower audience, whereas the Simpsons appeals to everyone.
Well, The Fast and the Furious seems to have more appeal than Gods and Monsters, more people saw The Fast and the Furious than Gods and Monsters, ask most people they will say that they like Fast and the Furious more than Gods and Monsters, or will not know what Gods and Monsters is. Simpsons is a cash cow being pumped out every cent it can make Fox, Futurama is arguably a work of art.

[Dr.Zar]

Yes, you really can't compare Futurama to the Simpsons. Futurama has never been NEAR the quality of the Simpsons. Futurama only appeals to a much narrower audience, whereas the Simpsons appeals to everyone..
Futurama Seasopns 1-4 own Seasons 12-15 of The Simpsons.

The Simpsons now only appelas to it's mark-like fanbase who think it can do no wrong

[Mynd Hed]

Futurama Seasopns 1-4 own Seasons 12-15 of The Simpsons.

The Simpsons now only appelas to it's mark-like fanbase who think it can do no wrong
I disagree-- I agree that Futurama is better than the last couple seasons of the Simpsons, and certainly that earlier seasons of the Simpsons are better than the last few, but I still enjoy the last few episodes of the Simpsons, so cool it. Your statement could be considered flamebait, and is not appreciated.

[Master Moron]

I'll agree on the narrower audience side, but saying Futurama can't compare in quality to the Simpsons not only pains me, but would pain Matt Groening too. I don't even think you could argue that the Simpsons is more consistant than Futurama, since they have very similar ups and downs. Personally, I would take Futurama over the Simpsons any day, and though that's my opinion, a member of the narrower audience, I don't think an objective opinion would be able to argue one over the other.
Well, you know I really don't think we should bring the creators in to this argument. I mean, I've never heard a DVD commentary in which a creator says that his creation sucks. I mean, I'm pretty sure that the creator of the Fast and the Furious thinks the Fast and the Furious is a great movie but that doesn't make it a great movie does it?

Anyway, while I admit the Simpsons has a lot of ups and down every season has several gut busting episodes. I mean, I can't think of any episode of Futurama that's given me more than about two laughs per show. Both shows have highs and lows but the Simpsons highs are way higher, at least in my opinion.

[Stewie]

I am consistantly amazed at how many people find themselves unable to enjoy both Futurama and The Simpsons without imploding.

The Simpsons is my favorite show of all time (I could talk at length about the quality of the past few seasons, but why bother), but I still enjoy Futurama. It was and is a beautiful show. For a wacky-comedy, they have some very tender moments.

Back to the original topic. The Simpsons on AS would be great if the Simpsons weren't already on three times a day. Since they are, it would just be a good move. If they showed "classic" episodes uncut, then it would be very good.

Still, I don't think it will happen. There are too many obstacles.

[bassist]

I am consistantly amazed at how many people find themselves unable to enjoy both Futurama and The Simpsons without imploding.While I don't think anyone has said that either one is a bad show, I do think that it's a matter of taste. I find the Simpsons repetetive, unclever, and self-referencial, which, to me means that though there are 15 seasons, there are only 3 seasons worth of episodes that I enjoy a lot. It doesn't make the others bad or even unenjoyable, but the Simpsons, like Aerosmith, the Rolling Stones, and the James Bond series, seems to have slipped into a mode where nothing new really happens. When Goldeneye preimiered in the early 90s, Brosnan brought a self-depricating, cynical, and self-aware Bond to the screen, which revitalized the series. The Simpsons needs the same thing.

Of course, Futurama suffered from episodes that seemed to be mere rehashes of earlier stuff, but I find there's as much, if not more, clever and unique humor in Futurama. That's a symptom of media culture in general.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy the Simpsons emensely, but if given the choice between a random episode of the Simpsons and a random episode of Futurama, I'd choose Futurama.

[Stewie]

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy the Simpsons emensely, but if given the choice between a random episode of the Simpsons and a random episode of Futurama, I'd choose Futurama.That's fine. I sometimes get the impression from some people(especially in this thread) that since discovering Futurama, they no longer see The Simpsons as a good show. Or that because they haven't enjoyed the last few seasons of The Simpsons (and Futurama didn't have a chance to go sour) that The Simpsons was never good.

The Simpsons has run for so long, it's unfair to consider it as one single work. Different periods may appeal to different people. You can't apply any label to the entire span of the series.

[TJG]

If Futurama is on Adult Swim, why not The Simpsons. They would fit right in.