I can't believe how many times in Big O S2 we were told the truth n never realized it

[Dr Kain]

I got the new Big O dvd the other day, and after watching these eps again after seeing the ending, I cannot believe how many times they pointed out to us that it was a false world. In ep 14 they kept mentioning they were actors, and at the beginning of the episode Gordon Rosewater said it was a false world. Then you got ep 17 where Scharztwaldt said "you must learn the truth by getting out of your fantasy world." Wow, my head is hurting all over again.

[ClockStomper]

I noticed the "actors" lines, but the Gordon monolouges really make sense in hindsight. Although "Stripes" is held in emphamy, it really is important.

Gordon asks Roger "Do you not remember your contract with me?" (the old picture of Roger with young Gordon.) "To negotiate with the one who directs this world..." (Angel the Director).

[ToliverChap]

I think it seemed obvious even at the time but there was enough ambiguity and really even now at the closing? one has to wonder how literal Rosewater was being or even Shwartzwald. The villians were very melodramatic so it wouldn't be unheard of to just take their words as sardonic remarks about the inevitably artificial metaphysical stuff that skeptics can have a field day with. For that matter how do we know that our world isn't just a stage? I think that more general quesion is really what the show was about. These darn animes don't seem to do literal and straight forward without making you think about it a bit so that's where I'd leave that.

[SirLemming]

I think it seemed obvious even at the time but there was enough ambiguity and really even now at the closing? one has to wonder how literal Rosewater was being or even Shwartzwald. The villians were very melodramatic so it wouldn't be unheard of to just take their words as sardonic remarks about the inevitably artificial metaphysical stuff that skeptics can have a field day with. For that matter how do we know that our world isn't just a stage? I think that more general quesion is really what the show was about. These darn animes don't seem to do literal and straight forward without making you think about it a bit so that's where I'd leave that.I think that's the beauty of it. You think they're just ranting and so the ending is a surprise, but when you go back and watch it you're like "Oh wow, there it is."

[JohnCrichton]

Eh... still feels too much like a "it was all a dream" kinda ending to me. :sad:

I really wanted to know what happened 40 years ago, where the robots came from, and what God had to do with finding ye who were guilty. Loved the world, design and the fights, and in the end.... nothing happened 40 years ago. It was all a giant reality television show run in virtualy reality that spun out of control due to too much memory issues.

I was definately hoping for more.

[bassist]

Although "Stripes" is held in emphamy,Sorry to break up a rather interesting conversation with a mundane question, but what is emphamy? Did you mean infamy? Or is it a word I don't know that isn't listed at dictionary.com?

[Anime Guy]

Eh... still feels too much like a "it was all a dream" kinda ending to me. :sad:

I really wanted to know what happened 40 years ago, where the robots came from, and what God had to do with finding ye who were guilty. Loved the world, design and the fights, and in the end.... nothing happened 40 years ago. It was all a giant reality television show run in virtualy reality that spun out of control due to too much memory issues.

I was definately hoping for more.Agreed. I was hoping that the citizens of Paradigm would regain their memories by actually having the courage to look underground and go outside the city, or something. Or at least an ending that was within the city and not a total mindfrag.

[William C. Maune]

Eh... still feels too much like a "it was all a dream" kinda ending to me. :sad:

I really wanted to know what happened 40 years ago, where the robots came from, and what God had to do with finding ye who were guilty. Loved the world, design and the fights, and in the end.... nothing happened 40 years ago. It was all a giant reality television show run in virtualy reality that spun out of control due to too much memory issues.

I was definately hoping for more.

If we get a Season 3 I think there is still a good chance those questions might be answered. Just like most of episode 14 wasn't meant to be taken literally, I don't think a lot of the rest of it is either. In my opinion, the whole concept of actors, directors, a TV show, etc. is just metaphors, or whatever you want to call if, for the amount of control we have in our lives and for who, if anyone, is really calling the shots. I don't think it was really a giant reality television show, that type of ending doesn't fit with the ongoing themes in the series.

[Blue]

If we get a season 3 it might just open up more question's to us that we'll have to know more about then a season 4 will come then a season 5 and 6 and 7 and 8 and on and on and on untill were all dead and only big o is on tv.

REally a 2rd season would prop up WAY TOO MANY more question's that might have already been answered.

[bassist]

REally a 2rd season would prop up WAY TOO MANY more question's that might have already been answered.How do you translate "2rd"? Would it be pronounced "turd" or "twurd" or was it supposed to be 3rd?

[Blue]

:sweat: sorry i was kinda rused there ....

[Artimus Gigan]

:sweat: sorry i was kinda rused there ....yeah I get rused too when I'm rushed...

[Scythemantis]

I have to disagree, I think it all being a show WAS a perfectly good and well-executed answer to all of the mysteries. It may seem "silly" on the outside but it does explain the weirdness of the city and it's really a pretty seriously disturbing thing to think of it from their perspective.

[shogunthethird]

to paraphrase Bart Simpson "once again a bandage-clad maniac has shown us the way"

but at least we didn't have beck saying "why didn't I take the BLUE tomato?" still it does explain Alex Rosewater's moitivations, he was an actor who wanted to direct, that or he was sick of re-runs

[Roger Smith]

hmm they should do a 3 season it would call
ANSWERS ONLY SEASON

[Lord Dalek]

I was kinda disappointed that they took out the whole religious subtext durring Season 2. Maybe it'll come back for Season 3.

[johnnyx]

What really bothers me about all the explanations of Big O is that none of them ever cover what set the series itself in motion. Be it a TV show, an insane fantasy, or anything else, what was the impetus behind it? The creators of the show made it easy to theorize about the literal action of the show, but I have yet to see any decent explanation of what set it in motion. If it is in fact a TV show, why are there so many seemingly real people carrying out their daily lives and how did they get there (assuming they arent robots or any other sort of non-entity)? It's almost as if they simply skipped over what should have been the most interesting part of the second season. If Big O is supposed to be something other than allegory or metaphor, I really think the creators have some serious explaining to do.

JohnnyX

[Scythemantis]

If it is in fact a TV show, why are there so many seemingly real people carrying out their daily lives and how did they get there (assuming they arent robots or any other sort of non-entity)?

They are non-entities. Everyone in the city. They all have their own lives and full sentience and personalities just for the sake of there being people for the heroes to save.

[Dr Kain]

They were all made clones of previous living people. Look, in the dream Roger had, Beck was the owner of a bank, and you had young Dorothy, Wayneright, and Soldonol. They were all made to look like previous people. I could go on for hours about the ending, but since I'm sick of typing it up, again, I'm not going to.

Anyway, I do not want a 3rd season. If anything a movie or 4-6 episode OVA will do.

[Artimus Gigan]

Anyway, I do not want a 3rd season. If anything a movie or 4-6 episode OVA will do.That's basicly half a season

[Swordfish_II]

I would have liked to have the answers at the end of season 2.

[cus big o is teh mind f ###]


:D

[Wounded_Dragon]

I'm still going with the theory that it's a portrayal of the collective unconscious of humanity (possibly limited to the citizens of New York). See Jung for more details. Talk of archetypes and memories/concept/ideas, Paradigm City (possibly a paradigm shift in the unconscious), the 'looping' (because people's thinking has changed, the world/story needs to be retold, slightly different, after integrating the new idea), the importance of negotiation/a negotiator (integrating a new idea/value into an old value system), etc, etc.

[ClockStomper]

I think the ending was ingenious in that it was made in such a way that it didn't answer questions but made evryone fan-wank answers. "It's obvious, it's just like Matrix Reloaded!" and all the other things people were shouting after it aired are just our own attempts to not look stupid. It's EXACTLY like "The Emperor's New Clothes" in that everyone wants to see something there so they don't look like a dumb arse.

There's no easy answer and every theory that's been brought up has had numerous holes and depends on conjecture....mainly because there's unresolved plotlines all over the place. What's Wayneright's connection to the whole plot? What's the deal with Dorothy's connection to Big O? Why did RD have Dorothy's memories? How much of "Metropolis" is true? And so on...

[Scythemantis]

I don't get why all the heavy debate, the literal "it's just a show" option was made pretty clear by the ending...I really didn't think it left much open to interpretation (or was meant to do so) but that's just me.

[ClockStomper]

I don't get why all the heavy debate, the literal "it's just a show" option was made pretty clear by the ending...I really didn't think it left much open to interpretation (or was meant to do so) but that's just me.
Well that's just the one "theory" that has the MOST holes in it.