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Behonkiss
01-19-2004, 12:13 AM
When I say low-profile, I mean shows that aren't on often or at all any more, that are not flagship AS shows, or that few talked about.

For me, it's a tie between two, both in Comedy and Action: Mission Hill and Kikaider.

Mission Hill just gave off a unique vibe. It had a true urban setting, great character interaction and dialogue, and a unique art style. It was way ahead of its time and totally undeserving of its early cancellation.

Kikaider not only gives off a neat retro vibe that can appeal to many, but it has a well-done progressive plot, emotion, and character development. That and some truly dark and vicious moments make it what I feel the first truly adult AS anime since Bebop. It, too, was very short, but maybe that's a good thing. The last episode was well-done and didn't really need to keep going, as the hideous OVA proved.

Anyone else?

Sir T. Ghostal
01-19-2004, 12:26 AM
Baby Blues. I think AS needs to get back to how it used to be, and getting Baby Blues back would help a lot. It was really unpopular, especially around here. I dunno why, I always enjoyed it.

The Landstander
01-19-2004, 12:28 AM
Mission Hill and Lupin III are the only shows on that list I enjoyed, but yes, they were underrated (by the mainstream, at least; seems most people here enjoy those two).

wrenchien
01-19-2004, 12:34 AM
reign. because the people behind aeon flux are pretty twisted and cool animators, and prove themselves strong in this one. they actually have an incredible take on alexander's legend never before contemplated: that the clothes, the world we know, might not be the one we've seen on pottery or temple walls, but might be instead almost higher-tech than the world we live in now. that the evils might have been greater. after all, who's alive today that lived back then, who'd really confirm the world back then was the one on the pottery? noone. thus this series breaks great ground. and not a whole lot of episodes, maybe, but enough to show the story with a definite ending and beginning, plus unique things about some of those in history we have only read about, and not really seen.

Caffeine King
01-19-2004, 12:39 AM
Baby Blues, Mission Hill, The Oblongs, and Kikaider. :)

I'd like to see more of Baby Blues and Mission Hill. :cool:

The Drizzle
01-19-2004, 12:57 AM
Mission Hill, Lupin, and Blue Gender. Everybody hates Blue Gender. =(

Majin_Megabyte
01-19-2004, 02:00 AM
Lupin,Blue Gender, and Mission Hill for me. I'm probley the few people that enjoy Blue Gender entire run.

Aurochs
01-19-2004, 02:20 AM
I voted for Mission Hill, Lupin III, Reign, and Kikaider, all brilliant shows. All underappriciated because...well...people are ****tards.

Mynd Hed
01-19-2004, 04:45 AM
Picking one from each side of the Pacific, I voted:

Baby Blues:
I just plain never understood the hate some folks have for this show. I think some of 'em are just too young, but that doesn't account for all of 'em by half.
Y'know, most of the best comedy shows on AS-- especially the WS originals-- are good, but inconsistent to a greater or lesser extent. The best examples are Sealab and ATHF, both of which have some absolutely hilarious episodes and some total stinkbombs.
With Baby Blues, I never felt like it was a crapshoot whether I'd get a good laugh out of any given episode or not. It wasn't a standout, but it was consistent. I was pretty much guaranteed an episode worth watching every time it came on-- I don't recall ever seeing an episode I just plain didn't like. Sure, it never got as laugh-out-loud funny as some of the best Sealabs or ATHFs or even one or two really good Brak Shows (like the Rhonda episode), but it delivered on a weekly basis, something none of those shows could do.
And darn it, it was nice, for one half hour out of each Sunday night block, to have a show that had a coherent, comprehensible plot line and stuck with it-- something that was based in something similar to the real world, instead of being constantly assaulted by a non-sequitur "random = funny" joke every three seconds.
In other words, it had consistency, it had plot, it had a good amount of laugh-worthiness, and to top it all off, every once in a while it had a nice theme or an observation about life thrown in as well. I liked it, and I think the block could use it (or something like it) again.

Reign:
It seemed like out of all the people who watched this show, a good 75% were turned off by the character designs and never gave it a fair chance, 10% were anal retentive ancient history majors who had never used the phrase "poetic license" in a sentence, another 10% actually watched it all the way through but didn't bother to think about what the ending meant and just wrote it off as "trippy for the sake of trippy," and maybe 5% actually liked it for what it was. Sigh. I know there are one or two others out there who agree with me-- stay strong.

Honorable Mention:
Lupin III is definitely underrated by the mainstream-- it's not my favorite show in history, but it definitely deserves more credit than it gets. I didn't vote for it by virtue of the very loyal cult following it's attracted, though-- it's hard to call anything that got that many votes overrated. (-:

NeueZielZeon
01-19-2004, 08:47 AM
I was amazed at how underrated good shows like Kikaider, Reign, and Blue Gender were constantly *****ed at and complained about.

I don't give a damn if you people didn't like them, I loved these three shows.

But my vote goes to Kikaider, great character and development helped to move a story that would have felt mediocre anywhere else, and the good voice acting and clean animation didn't hurt either (and Hakaider > You).

FredNash
01-19-2004, 10:37 AM
More Mission Hill! NEW MISSION HILL! plz?


Lupin is great too.


Why was Kikaider even an AS title? Seemed kinda tame to me...

Lord Dalek
01-19-2004, 12:42 PM
Lupin III all the way.

Mek
01-19-2004, 12:45 PM
Gotta be 'Lupin'.

I honestly never laughed so much during a cartoon show since the early days of 'Aqua Teen Hunger Force'. XD

moreysurf8
01-19-2004, 12:46 PM
Lupin and Mission Hill for me.

~square~
01-19-2004, 12:46 PM
Mission Hill just gave off a unique vibe. It had a true urban setting, great character interaction and dialogue, and a unique art style. It was way ahead of its time and totally undeserving of its early cancellationI have always thought that about Mission Hill. I really love this show. I first saw it on the WB a long time back. Thats the network it was on, right? I loved it ever since then. *sigh* If Cartoon Network agrees, Mission Hill COULD make more episodes. And how awesome would that be? So totally awesome.

Also, Home Movies used to be undderated. But now thanks to the 4th season, it reall isn't anymore.

And Baby Blues is a really cute cartoon. I've always loved the comic strip and im really glad they made it into a cartoon. I love it.

True Noir
01-19-2004, 01:12 PM
My vote went towards Blue Gender and Kikaider. blue Gender is because it could have been much greater if it wasn't for the edits and Kikaider was just great but didn't seem to get to much attention.

GTOnizuka
01-19-2004, 05:25 PM
Kikaider was great although the OVA blew.

But, BLue Gender hands down. I only wish it would finish. By the way, is Funi. getting more BG or does it stop there?... b/c on the last ep. it showed previews for more.

Animaniac
01-19-2004, 05:29 PM
Ugh, Mission Hill is my most loathed cartoon, I cant stand that whole "Smart dialouge" where you try to put in as many college level jokes as possible without it being funny.


I think these shows are low profile because most of them are crappy. Kikaider sucks, Blue Gender sucks, Baby Blues was horrible! It's no wonder why these are either cancelled, used as fillers, or just gone all together.

GTOnizuka
01-19-2004, 05:43 PM
I think these shows are low profile because most of them are crappy. Kikaider sucks, Blue Gender sucks, Baby Blues was horrible! It's no wonder why these are either cancelled, used as fillers, or just gone all together.
True, true. If it was easier to tell whether a show is going to suck, i'll try not to watch and like it so much.

Caffeine King
01-19-2004, 06:19 PM
:mad: I forgot to vote for Lupin the 3rd.

Well just count me as one also. :sweat:

I hope that it comes back.

I liked the whole show, the comedy part was good and so was the action. :( I miss it. :(

RTFirefly
01-19-2004, 07:45 PM
Mission Hill, Lupin, and Oblongs I say.

Wow, almost no Oblongs love on here. Just me?

Animation Otaku
01-19-2004, 08:15 PM
Mission Hill and Lupin the 3rd are both hilarious. They don't deserve their fates.

randomguy
01-19-2004, 08:35 PM
Lupin the 3rd is awesome, but since I'm not sure it's low-profile (obviously, it doesn't rate well, but everyone around here loves it), I wouldn't vote for it.

I'd have to go for either Reign or Blue Gender. Reign, if people would just get over its style, is a visually innovative and very interesting show. Blue Gender, however hackeneyed and cliche, really got me hooked in a way that no series ever has... it was good sci-fi soap opera, and I liked it, damn it.

Parallax
01-19-2004, 08:48 PM
Lupin III, Blue Gender, Kikaider, and Mission Hill are all my favorites. I liked a few episodes of Baby Blues, though.

dawnyoshi
01-19-2004, 11:00 PM
Bably Blues and Mission Hill. Lupin's popular, it's just at the dead end of the block, so it suffers a bit. It could use some more attention too...

Kikaider was also a work of art. Very intriguing, but depressing, storyline.

and just to say, WOW! There's actually more Baby Blues fans here than I remember from over a year ago, when I read constant complaints about the show from people here...I don't get how people can't appreciate the show. The show isn't even targetted to me, as an 18 year old high school student, yet I find it funny...
oh well.

And mission hill...yeah, just hilarious. Needed more support from WB...

Nik Jam
01-20-2004, 12:01 AM
Reign, because everyone hates it, but it's a great show.
Lupin because of it's low ratings.
Mission Hill, because people prefer Oblongs. (well, not here, everywhere else)

Other, because Home Movies is still greatly underrated. Some specials were too, some of the specials got the wrong audience, but I still think practically all of them were nice to watch. Although some I didn't really watch (like Penguins Behind Bars) so they might be worth their bashing. The other ones (Yes, that includes Grooveians but maybe excluding Lewis Lectures) I liked alot.

Stewie
01-20-2004, 12:37 AM
"Mission Hill" is definitely my favorite of those listed. I put "Baby Blues" too, even though I only say two or three episodes. I'm confident I would have enjoyed it as a whole.

Lupin was strange for me. When it was on in front of me, I always thought it was at least "pretty good." Neat style, being old and all. But I never wanted to turn it on. I just didn't feel like getting into it. So, I didn't vote for it. But it would qualify for honorable mention.

The rest I have great dislike for.

Mynd Hed
01-20-2004, 01:55 AM
Kikaider sucks, Blue Gender sucks, Baby Blues was horrible! It's no wonder why these are either cancelled, used as fillers, or just gone all together.
You know, I used to like Baby Blues, but thanks to your one-word appraisal of its comedic potential with no support whatsoever, I now agree with you.

Either that or I'm being sarcastic. You be the judge.

(-:

Seriously, if you're going to make a blanket judgment of three shows that a lot of folks around here enjoy, you might want to actually make a coherent, intelligent argument instead of just slapping them with an insult that most people learn in the second grade and stop using by the fourth. To do otherwise can be considered flamebait, and doesn't contribute to the discussion in any case.

candy17
01-20-2004, 09:03 AM
Favorite low-profile AS cartoons (in order of appearance)

Baby Blues
Mission Hill (though I don't think it's that low-profile)
Blue Gender
The Oblongs
The Ripping Friends

Teek
01-20-2004, 01:53 PM
I have to throw my support to Mission Hill. I would love for WS to fund another season of it for Adult Swim.

I cant stand that whole "Smart dialouge" where you try to put in as many college level jokes as possible without it being funny.

It does have college level jokes but I found the writing funny, it seemed to hold a lot of that type of humor/situation in contempt, i.e. the episode making fun of the Real World.

The Japanese hot pants episode and the one where Andy gets a job at Jim's work are hilarious.

GTOnizuka
01-21-2004, 04:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Animaniac
Kikaider sucks, Blue Gender sucks, Baby Blues was horrible! It's no wonder why these are either cancelled, used as fillers, or just gone all together.

You know, I used to like Baby Blues, but thanks to your one-word appraisal of its comedic potential with no support whatsoever, I now agree with you.

Either that or I'm being sarcastic. You be the judge.

(-:

Seriously, if you're going to make a blanket judgment of three shows that a lot of folks around here enjoy, you might want to actually make a coherent, intelligent argument instead of just slapping them with an insult that most people learn in the second grade and stop using by the fourth. To do otherwise can be considered flamebait, and doesn't contribute to the discussion in any case.
The kid was wrong, but it was funny.

RedTail
01-21-2004, 10:21 PM
Lupin III > Blue Gender > Mission Hill

Aurochs
01-21-2004, 11:58 PM
The only redeeming quality about Blue Gender was the gratuitous nudity, and they removed that for Cartoon Network. So what's the point?

HomeMoviesFan
01-22-2004, 12:38 AM
Mission Hill: Funny as hell. Great writing, and it comes from two guys who did some of the best work on "The Simpsons", what's not to like?

Baby Blues: VASTLY underrated. This I actually did see in its WB days for a couple of episodes...and, yes, like above posters mentioned, it was consistant. Every episode delievered the same amount of laughs and expectations, with not a single episode (except maybe the one where Rodney moves in with Wanda and Derryl, but that's because I'm sick of that one). The animation was very intersesting (did anyone notice when one person was standing, they were always moving in some way) as well. Hopefully, CN will air the missing thirteen episodes some day...(okay, newbies, ask me about it, I'll [or someone else] supply ya with an answer)

Lupin: Nothing I can say has already been said about this one.

Well....I don't know about "Home Movies". WS treats it with much, much respect when it has new episodes...but recent treatment and ratings reports (even though "Camp" was in the Top Three) worries me that we may not be seeing a fifth season. But, still, it still gets episode orders from the network, and it really isn't mainstream like ATHF is (did anyone else hear the rumor of a Game Boy game of that show or was that site that I visited just off their rocker?) but it's weird to think of HM as "underrated", for it is praised and has a wealthy amount of fansites and an almost healthy relationship with WS makes it seem like it's not neglected, which what "underrated" is all about, right? Not get the respect it deserves? And HM is getting the respect it deserves, without being overrated. (can't wait for the day some idiot newbie shows up, sees all the rave reviews we give HM and tries to be rebellious, posting a "HOME MOVIES IS FREAKING OVERRATED" thread and seeing Landstander ban him for it! :D )...am I rambling? Oh goodness...it seems I am!...

Mynd Hed
01-22-2004, 01:38 AM
Lupin III > Blue Gender > Mission Hill
I can agree with that. Blue Gender was hardly high art or even original, but it was at least usually entertaining.

Zorak Masaki
01-22-2004, 11:15 AM
Blue Gender (i dug the futurama meets starship troopers vibe)
Baby Blues
Lupin III
Capt. Sturdy
Mission Hill

HumanoidTyphoon
01-23-2004, 05:32 PM
But, BLue Gender hands down. I only wish it would finish. By the way, is Funi. getting more BG or does it stop there?... b/c on the last ep. it showed previews for more.Theres only 26 episodes and a movie which I'm pretty sure is a retelling of the series and I don't remember a preview for another episode.:shrug: Anyway I also voted for this I thought everything about it was great. Not to mention I have a certian affinity for insane characters.

kempobot
01-25-2004, 02:18 AM
#1 Baby Blues was definately underrated. It appeared to be the only true adult show on Adult Swim. As for the jokes, they were definately there, but you really had to find or wait for them (which must've been a turnoff)

#2 Lupin just got off on the wrong foot, and because of its first impression, it will never be able to reach the popularity that it had everywhere else in the world (Saint Seiya is going through the same thing.) It could've been saved if (a) The series debuted with one of the movies or first TV series or (b) CN had ordered more episodes.

#3 Mission Hill is such a brilliant show. Quirky characters, beautifully executed voice acting, and vibrant animations is what made this show such a gem. What a shame that it didn't last longer.

lostrune
01-25-2004, 07:14 AM
#2 Lupin just got off on the wrong foot, and because of its first impression, it will never be able to reach the popularity that it had everywhere else in the world (Saint Seiya is going through the same thing.) It could've been saved if (a) The series debuted with one of the movies or first TV series or (b) CN had ordered more episodes.

More? If 24 eps is not enough to determine whether it has an audience, then nothing will. That's almost the equivalent of 2 full seasons (13 eps)! :yawn:

bassist
01-25-2004, 12:23 PM
#1 Baby Blues was definately underrated. It appeared to be the only true adult show on Adult Swim. As for the jokes, they were definately there, but you really had to find or wait for them (which must've been a turnoff).I would definitely agree that the humor was embedded within the product, but to call Baby Blues "the only true adult show on AS" is either grave misuse of the word adult or a poor memory as to the content. Adult is defined as a) Fully developed and mature, b) Relating to, intended for, or befitting adults, or c) Containing or dealing in explicitly sexual material; pornographic.

You can make the argument that b applies here, but then Home Movies, Sealab, and Aqua Teen Hunger Force would all qualify as well. I don't think you could argue that it was fully developed and mature, since it contained a lot of immature humor, as any show surrounding kids does. Still, though it was much more lightly speckeled with humor, I found Baby Blues's humor to be in the same vein as Family Guy, except without all the sight gags and a slightly more maturity. Any way you look at it, Home Movies and Cowboy Bebop can and should be considered at least as adult as Baby Blues.

Nick K.
01-25-2004, 12:39 PM
The Oblongs! Its a pretty good show, ive seen like 4 episodes, out of 13, but I still saw a lot in it. When are they putting it back on the air???

Jaguar
01-25-2004, 12:43 PM
Kikaider and Lupin (obviously) for me. Heck, I haven't seen Kikaider in months, but I woke up this morning with the theme from the ending credits stuck in my head.

Speedy Boris
01-26-2004, 12:13 AM
Baby Blues is a great show. True, it's not the most original idea on the planet, but each episode has a coherent plot and lots of clever wordplay and daydreams. Like when Wanda daydreams about Hell freezing over and then telling Darryl about the Bitterman godparents thing. Or Darryl thinking "Fat chance" and saying "You're right", then Darryl thinking AND saying "Fat chance". And both of those jokes are from one episode! Plus it was a show, like Home Movies, that you could watch with your family and not be bothered with pointless swearing and sex jokes.

I don't think Oblongs qualifies for an under-the-radar show because it's pretty popular, even in endless reruns.

bassist
01-26-2004, 09:23 AM
Plus it was a show, like Home Movies, that you could watch with your family and not be bothered with pointless swearing and sex jokes."Knock Knock!"
"Who's there!?!?"
"**** YOU!!!!"

That's Home Movies... Baby Blues is a little bit more family oriented. I could definitely see the comparison for HM season 1 though.

ClockStomper
01-27-2004, 02:42 AM
Mission Hill, Lupin, and Blue Gender. Everybody hates Blue Gender. =(
It's good for a 24 episode series...THERE ARE NO OTHER EPISODES!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, but I have to yell, I'm all the way here in Egypt, in my condo on De' Nile.

SSJPabs
01-27-2004, 11:19 AM
Home Movies.

Also I support Mynd Head in his words on Reign even if not on his words on Big-O.

Bigdaddy83
03-10-2004, 10:13 PM
I have to agree with the majority with this one. I LOVE Mission Hill, and it's truly underated. I think they should at least make new episodes of it because it's a pretty funny, and smart show (CN, I hope you're reading this).

Lupin is easlily the most underated of the Animes on AS. I loved the show from the day I first watched it when it premiered last year. Cartoon Network NEVER gave it a chance, and canned it saying it did poorly. It needs airtime to get an audience, and Cartoon Network neglects it while Cowboy Bebob(A show that I'm not really into) reruns over, and over again. THAT show only has 26 eps and Lupin has nearly ten times as many if you count all the 3 series combined. Sure, Pioneer/Geneon is still going to provide new eps on DVD, but It irks me that I have to pay $20+ just to see new eps, and the fact that they only put a paltry amount of episodes on a disc. I'll probably be in my mid twenties once I see all of the episodes at this rate.

-Stripped down, and screaming. Just the way I like em. -Fujiko

Lord Dalek
03-10-2004, 10:15 PM
Old Thread!

The Drizzle
03-10-2004, 10:18 PM
LET'S ALL RESURRECT OLD THREADS!