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Don_East

01-18-2004, 11:26 PM

Hi Hi Pimples: My Review Of "Bye Bye Greasy"

Gnomes: Brendon has two in his room

Highlights: Obvious Grease referance, Mcguirk & Brendon's conversation, Walter & Perry, & Fenton again, the young female Ozzy Osbourne, Melissa getting the part easy, Jason singing, nice to see Shannon again, Fenton constantly killing the lights, Shannon strangling Fenton, Shannon is really good actor, Brendon bumping into the wall, Walter as a girl, Walter or Perry dropped the F-Bomb, Mcguirk drove in, Fenton busted, the play rest of the play I forgot to mention, the ending

score: :brendon::brendon::brendon::brendon::brendon: (five Brendons)

wrenchien

01-18-2004, 11:27 PM

it's nice to see mcgurk in his usual neat self. no, don't be the coach of the school play. please.

'there are no cool guys in musicals'. heh. oh my, getting mcgurk to drive his car on the stage? that sounds like trouble.. eheh. i sense disaster!!

wow.. melissa has a kiwi allergy? that.. was unexpected.

nice to see walter and perry. can't wait to see their , ehm, adopted kids, someday. heeh.

angel sings better than she speaks. is she the lost power puff girl btw?

aquaman pjs!?!? whoa.. that's something unusual to see brendon get.. involved in.. btw brendon, run, from that bully!!! shannon is pretty mean. let's hope that last strike is in this episode.

oh good, shannon was suspended. about time. but melissa has to eat a kiwi fruit pie, no!! @_@

strike #23. mmm. is this walter's crossdressing role!??! my he swore!!!

there's brandon in the bush. that girl is cute btw even if the stage fright paralyzed her.... phew.. that was a different pie after all. but that guy that tried to save her.. i wonder if he'll pull through!?!?

looks like shannon is going to pound someone into a puddle... better just let him kill him, brendon, with a major drop.

poor mcgurk, stuck in the car where the windows won't roll down!! well, the show must go on, after all.

looks like shannon has some talent. but he's soooo soprano!!! :eek:

wow, brendon's giving mcgurk a ride home. how cool. better just let shannon go on.

a great episode. and the lemon- flavored potato chips weren't half bad , either. though to be frank, i'd preferred barbecue. or sour cream. or even the uber-flat ones that may not be in a big bag.. but are just as filling.

driving off the deep end,

wrenchien

Caffeine King

01-18-2004, 11:27 PM

This episode was pretty funny but the swearing was annoying.

It kinda caught me off guard when Brendon first sweared, and then the second time, and...the other times. =/

I hope that they don't make it a habit this season. (It doesn't seem in place on Home Movies. =/)

The Grease parody plot and everything screwing up was funny, Melissa and her kiwi phobia was funny also, and the ending was funny too.

The whole episode was funny but the singing and swearing was what got annoying, overall a good episode. :)

moreysurf8

01-18-2004, 11:29 PM

it owned, that's all I'll say

Parallax

01-18-2004, 11:29 PM

Feels like old HM. Not bad, though, since Shannon's around. The beginning was kinda slow, but Brendon trying to get McGuirk in the play was funny. But by the time it got to the audition it was funnier. I liked the Fenton part the best, though. "I can be, like GOD!" Loved the Shannon part and really reminded me of the first season, which isn't a bad thing. Not much on the rehearsing scenes, and it kinda slowed the whole thing down. Before the play was slow, and kinda plot device-ie. The play itself was hillarious. Every part. Just made the episode. Not to mention McGuirk's singing. End was funny as well.

Animation was also quite good compared to last season. Just something I felt I would say. =o Anyway, I'll give it a A+, cause there were plenty of scenes that were hillarious and those that didn't still owned.

The Landstander

01-18-2004, 11:30 PM

YES! Excellent. Maintained a season one type feel in the first half and went to a satisfying "conclusion" in the second. The swearing bugged me a tad (especially when Junior did it...that actually made a hilarious scene only kind of funny =\ ), but still majorly owned.

Better than last week's.

Nin-Nin69

01-18-2004, 11:32 PM

What did McGuirk say to Brendon when he was ignoring him at the begining? I'd like to use that for a quote.

NeueZielZeon

01-18-2004, 11:33 PM

This was the first Home Movies episode I had seen in a long time, and I must say I quite enjoyed it. Having a big important play that turns into a complete disaster isn't a completly original plot, but it came off pretty good. Highlights include the opening conversation with McGuirk, him not being able to open the windows (and subsequently driving his car off the stage), Melissa's kiwi fear, and Fenton's obsession with the lights.

Grade: B

Xfox

01-18-2004, 11:38 PM

I liked this one, but as mentioned before, the swearing was out of place and didn't feel natural. A play going wrong is nothing new, but it still managed to be funny. I think I laughed hardest when I noticed Paula repainting the backdrop while the play was still going on. For once Fenton was actually funny and not annoying. Same can't be said for Shannon unfortunately.

9/10

GMB

01-18-2004, 11:39 PM

I uh, wasn't as impressed as everyone else seems to be.

Then again, I'm not a fan of either "Grease" or Shannon, but I guess if you really like both of those things, you got a double helping.

Jason's audition was pretty hysterical, tho. :)

wrenchien

01-18-2004, 11:40 PM

What did McGuirk say to Brendon when he was ignoring him at the begining? I'd like to use that for a quote.

well, he said .. no.. a lot.

~square~

01-18-2004, 11:42 PM

ahhhh!!!! NO MORE SWEARING! my virgin, Home Movies Loving ears can't take it.

I don't know. this episode was kind of stale.

It was classic to see Brendon directing a school play, but...it was kind of...I dont know...odd.

Melissa and her kiwi thing was funny. I did NOT however like the whole Jr. Addleburg and Melissa thing. At first, I thought melissa stuck him on purpose. That would have been better.

The Home Movies kids falling in love = Bad. Just...bad.

The ending was great. Shannon singing was awesome. And McGuirk singing was a nice touch.

As for the swearing:

I've always loved the Home Movies writers (Bill and Brendon), and how everything could be funny without excessive swearing. Now, I'm begining to have less faith in them if they're thinking that they need to make Brendon and the gang swearing. Coffins and Cradels was ok, because it was expected for Brendon, being the father figure in the episode, to swear at Linda. Or at least I though so. But ever since that episode, at least one kid an episode swears. It needs to stop. Because now all the new Home Movies watchers are going to like that and then everything is going to be all screwed up and BLAH. Just, no more.

I give this episode a: B for swearing and Melissa being in love and the kind of stale, not really HM style it had.

Oh yeah, Paula was used pretty good in this episode. Painting the background while the play was going on. Funny.

Delthayre

01-18-2004, 11:43 PM

"Bye Bye Greasy" was really damn funny. The whole thing had a hilariously awkward feel and had a season one like sensibility to it. It was nice to see Melissa get a funny side plot, I think she's been sidelined a bit recently. Her kiwi-driven attention mongering was consistently funny. Jason's big scene with the frozen-up supposed female lead cracked me up. Also, it was satisfyingly comic to have Shannon beat the endlessly unlikeable yet funny Fenton. Junior Addleberg's swearing was the only instance that bothered me, but I find it highly forgiving. So far as I can asses, everyone was in top comic form and the whole thing just worked.

This one managed to pull above the curve, an impressive feat in show as consistently good as Home Movies. **** out of *****

Nin-Nin69

01-18-2004, 11:43 PM

well, he said .. no.. a lot.

I mean the part when he interupted him and told Brendon how he was ignoring him and what he felt about his play.

wrenchien

01-18-2004, 11:46 PM

well, that's all i remember, anyway.

Behonkiss

01-19-2004, 12:03 AM

Did anyone else notice that Junior went Squigglevision when pricked?

Animation Otaku

01-19-2004, 12:13 AM

Another strong episode of Home Movies. The parody of Grease was hilarious. Shannon and Fenton were both very hungry, and had some great lines, especially Fenton. Mr. Lynch's 23 strike system, and his line of "I wanted to wish you all good luck, and tell you Shannon's been suspended" was hilarious. They've had some great episodes going into the commercial breaks lately.

Paula's background was funny, and then the whole deal with her painting during the play was hilarious. Walter and Perry were funny. Especially the song and then dropping the f-bomb. Not because it's swearing, but because of the timing. Melissa constantly bringing up her being allergic to kiwi and then thinking she was dieing was hilarious. And then her moment with Junior that was messed up when she still had that needle, and then he was getting pissed at her. The sing-talk bit was funny as well. Or when Fenton said that he punched himself. Heh, a lot of funny stuff.

But, despite not being in that many scenes, Coach had the best part of the show. His song was just really great. It was really great, and had me cracking up the whole time. His comment about Brendon making history by his play sucking was great as well.

All in all, it was an episode that ran smoothly the whole time, and connected each part well, and had a lot of jokes too. All the characters felt like they belonged there, really. So, it gets an A from me.

wrenchien

01-19-2004, 12:17 AM

Did anyone else notice that Junior went Squigglevision when pricked?

not really.

Sir T. Ghostal

01-19-2004, 12:29 AM

Great episode, slightly better than last weeks "Camp". Highlights include McGurk's car trouble, McGurk's singing, and Perry(or was it Walter?) swearing after the curtain scene.
10/10 stars.

Jimmy Kustes

01-19-2004, 12:34 AM

Junior is just too kind-hearted to flip out like that. Even if he was stabbed with drugs, it seemed out-of-character. And I hate Shannon, I like his VA though. But once you beat up Jason, you can't get on my good side.

gardengnome

01-19-2004, 01:00 AM

Tonight, I noticed that almost every post commented on the excessive swearing being lame. Funny how people seem to have changed their minds about that. I pointed that out in a previous thread talking about "Camp", but no one seemed to agree with me then. Hmm.

Things seem to have changed ever since Coffins and Cradles. I remember watching that episode and feeling really let down afterward. Like I realized that they show was never going to be the same again. The writing style has definitely changed. They lost their magic.

And I just have to say that I used to like Melissa l lot, but I can't stand her this season! Her stupid obsessions are SO contrived and imo add NOTHING to the show. ... like the water phobia last week and now the kiwi allergy?? I just don't find it funny at all. She used to be so cute and witty, but now she's just pretentious. *sigh*

I MISS THE WAY THEY USED TO BE!!!! WHY HAVE THEY CHANGED SO MUCH???? And where is Erik??? He was a GREAT character. And Nurse Kirkman? How about Brendon's Dad and Linda - didn't they just have a baby? When are they going to address that?

What I am really surprised about is to see that so many people rated this episode (and last week's) with an A+! I mean, don't people see how much more obvious the humor is getting and how that subtle witty deadpan humor and that awkward conversational-style dialogue that the show was made from is disappearing more and more with every episode??
The only explanation I can come up with is that most of the people on this board are easy to please. If the other people who rated this episode with an A+ also love the show Family Guy, then I guess that answers my question. I am just so disappointed because this was my FAVORITE SHOW for so long, and now I feel like my favorite show is gone.

Ok, so I had my rant - now i'll try to end on a positive note. Here's what i DID find funny about the episide: Jason's audition! That actually made me laugh out loud. Jason singing and shaking his butt was so funny. I also liked the girl's audition where she mumbled incoherently, but sang clearly - somewhat. That song and voice were funny. Also, Brendon talking to McGuirk about the play while McGuirk was ignoring him - that was really funny too. Classic HM style. I also loved Paula painting that backdrop. She is still crazy, and I love that. And it was hilarious how she tries to change the winter scene to a fouth of July scene, but she didnt have time to finish, so there was still a whole hill of snow in the background. I guess Lynch is still "Interim Principal" if he has the power to suspend Shannon. That's cool that they are going to continue with that (i think).
Anyway, next week's episode might to be a bit better, because it will be about Brendon making another movie, and Paula trying to break up with a boyfriend. It'll be interesting to see were they take that one.
I still have a little bit of hope that this season will turn around.
Grade: C+

Behonkiss

01-19-2004, 01:35 AM

RD!

01-19-2004, 01:57 AM

Horribly, horribly sexy. Better than last week, and in my opinion, the swearing was hardly a problem.

So far so good.

Master Moron

01-19-2004, 02:09 AM

You know, I'm totally wasted and this show is still boring...what does that say? I'm sure Home Movies worshippers would say that I'm not using the right part of my brain. I'm sure those people would also say "I don't undertand it". and "You're a dumbass". But...you know what? What? You don't know? Well, if you don't know, I'm not gonna tell you...

Cyber E.

01-19-2004, 02:12 AM

You're not using the right part of your brain.

The Landstander

01-19-2004, 02:13 AM

Grenzer

01-19-2004, 02:16 AM

Tonight's episode was decent, other than the bit with Junior getting stuck by the Epi-pen, for some reason I found that hillarious how he was spasming during the final dance number. Emo Phillips as Shannon was in rare form tonight, but I felt McGuirk could have been used better; he just seemed to be disconnected from the flow of the episode, which was itself awkward at points. B

Captain Harlock

01-19-2004, 02:23 AM

Great episode of Home Movies. An improvement over last week, which I thought could have been better. Since now the show is back to the familiar enviroments and characters, hopefully it's smooth sailing unil the season finale.

Samurai Karasu

01-19-2004, 02:37 AM

Well that was a shocker. I really though Mcguick was going to save the play but it was Shannon all along. I loved them both anyway.

I assumed that Walter and Perry were gonna complain that they werent a married couple or something but...I guess it all worked out. I knew Jason would come back with a vengance during the play and I knew Allison would screw up the scenes she was in...but I didn't assume I was gonna like it. Mcguick's and Shannon's songs were definitly the highlights of this episode to me but my favorite parts were as followed.

Fentons Light Obsession,The 23 strike suspension and anything that had to do with it,Mcguick driving his car on stage,the problems with Kiwi,introducing a new character without even realising it (Allison),and Fenton doing something for the benefit of others

Negatives were; Junior Addleburg. NUF SAID

If this isn't put up on the site Landstander you can expect pain to be coming your way :evil:.

You know, I'm totally wasted and this show is still boring...what does that say? I'm sure Home Movies worshippers would say that I'm not using the right part of my brain. I'm sure those people would also say "I don't undertand it". and "You're a dumbass". But...you know what? What? You don't know? Well, if you don't know, I'm not gonna tell you...
WANNA CYBER??!!!! :)

HomeMoviesFan

01-19-2004, 02:47 AM

Did anyone else notice that Junior went Squigglevision when pricked?
Yeah. I'm thinking "tribute"...

Anyways, this episode was a little off-center, but really great. Shannon returning...yes! McGuirk conversation to start off the show...yes! This is seasons 1-2 stuff here, and I should know (watching it when it all premeried)...

...Fenton was great, but he gained another new personality. In "The Party" he was an obnoxious brat, in "Shore Leave" he was a mother-loving control freak, here he has an obession with his light job, thinking that it holds the entire play together (I laughed at his light control center, being a high school techie myself)...

...this episode, by the way, couldn't have came at a better time for me. For my theater finals, which doubled as an audition for the musical, I decided to sing "76 Trombones" from the Music Man. Unfortunely, I screwed up the entire song, and felt completely worthless. The audition scene here more than makes up for it. So hilarious (Jason's audition = funny)...

...Shannon! Aww, Emo Phillips is great returning, and Shannon is as evil as ever, and continuing the battle between him and Lynch (by the way, we need more Lynch and McGuirk scenes [though 401 had some good ones]). Though him singing and being really good and be applauded was too predictable for words (I've seen way, way too many sitcoms do that shtick). It would've been funnier if he had in fact sucked...

...Jason improving his role as Chip was good. As was the little frightened girl. Heheh. Stage fright. Just gotta love it...

...Melissa's kiwi obession and Junior...god no. I can't believe I'm agreeing with a newbie here, but Melissa's "obessions" have gotta go. Just put her out there and have her do something. Not obess. This is something Simpsons would do. And her two second relationship with Junior Addleburg was god-awful. I've seen HM do love stuff before (Brendon & Cynthia, Jason's weird crushes [another coming up in a few weeks] and Melissa & Octovio) but this is by far the strangest thing I've ever seen on HM. (and didn't Melissa kiss Octovio, I'm not really sure, but she said she'd "never kissed anyone before") I've knew some varaition of this was coming when she had a scene with Junior earlier, and when Junior told her he has had a long time crush on her. All saying, if this is leading to an actual Junior & Melissa relationship...Junior meeting Eric waiting for Melissa to begin a date MUST BE DONE. MUST...

...and McGuirk. I liked the return of his car (and it clearly is noted he loves the damn thing, good character development) and the last scene with him and Brendon. McGuirk singing...just another addition for that phantom soundtrack (Landstander, got ANYTHING on that??)...

Overall, great episode, and looks like the strange-as-hell "Coffins and Cradles" didn't effect these episodes too much. A-...

Teo

01-19-2004, 03:23 AM

Hmmm, it was alright. Swearing still a problem because every character in the show now is getting bleeped. Season 3 had a few here or there but nothing like this. Another singing heavy episode without a single movie but the play makes up for it so not a prob, like in Renaissance. Sing-talking was great and the snow/summer background was funny. The hillariously irritating Fenton was back too for some points. The ending was predictable which isn't bad by itself but it wasn't that funny of a song so the moment felt a little flat. I don't really like Shannon episodes so I had a tough time with his part being bigger than McGuirk, Jason, and Mr. Lynch. I still am pulling for the show but it's missing some of the heart earlier seasons had.

7/10

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Gunnm

Mynd Hed

01-19-2004, 04:15 AM

I dunno, maybe I was just in an off mood or something, but I wasn't too impressed with this one. Shannon was okay, but it kinda felt "been there, done that." I didn't "get" any of the songs-- were they supposed to be funny, or were they just written in to fill some dead time in the script? I've never been a big fan of Junior to begin with... thought Melissa's kiwi allergy subplot started off okay, but I saw the end of it (in which she eats the pie and it then turns out not to be kiwi) coming a mile away, which kinda killed it for me. Only highlights of the episode in my opinion were Fenton's lighting obsession and McGuirk and Brendon's initial conversation at the very beginning, which was a nice scene that seemed like something out of the first two seasons.

Overall Grade: D+

Corrado

01-19-2004, 06:54 AM

This was another decent Home Movies.

Highlights included McGuirk and his car, and the play from Hell.

Out of 5, I give it 3.5.

StrangerAtaru

01-19-2004, 10:06 AM

Another quickie with the first viewing of the episode, so I guess I will list off my thoughts.

-Its great to see Shannon back on the show, especially since he hasn't shown up since "Politics". And not only that, but he was back in full bullying form...more like his "Politics" form than the consciencious bully of "The Art of the Sucker Punch".

-I sort of knew the play was going to be a disaster...and it comedically was from the go! It was great to see the usage of the various characters in the play, including Jason's various "roles/non-roles", Fenton's light obsession, Paula painting in the background, and the songs by Walter (nice to see him do something once without Perry attached to him), McGuirk (the bit with the car was pretty good and a legit usage for him in the episode) and Shannon.

-Sadly, Melissa once again was misused. I totally thought the whole "kiwi allergy" was just used out of the blue, and I don't even want to get into her Junior relationship. For some reason a part of me says that if Eric returns, things could be better.

-I still can't stand the overusage of bad language on this show, especially since that does not make a show "adult" (no matter what South Park and recent SGC2C episodes say)

Overall, a more "normal" episode compared to last week's "Camp" (which I am starting to see as this season's "History" or "Renaissance"), but pretty good outside a few nagging details.

BTW: The title not only refers to "Grease", but to fellow 50's-based musical "Bye Bye Birdie"...then again it was probably just a marker to take on those kinds of musicals.

Turbo

01-19-2004, 10:32 AM

Not a bad episode, but I didn't enjoy it as much as everybody else did apparently. The Shannon guy was not funny for me ... at all, but I didn't hate it. Not bad. B-

Tienshin

01-19-2004, 10:49 AM

Last night episode was ok...nothing really stood out as overly hilarious. Thats said...I like that the show is putting the characters in different situations, camp last week, play this week. Its a good way to keep things things fresh. i'd probably rate this one a B- overall good but not great.

gardengnome

01-19-2004, 11:34 AM

Calm down and breathe. We've only seen the first two episodes. How does that mean we know the quality of the entire season? Each one has had it's bad points. Don't say it's ruined until you've seen all of Season 4.
Maybe you should calm down and read someone's post more carefully before you jump to a misguided defense.

First of all, if you read my entire post, you will have read that I ended with the sentence that I STILL HAVE HOPE that the season will turn around.

Secondly, you are probably taking my subject line out of context. I wrote "Why are they ruining this awesome show?" That doesn't mean that I am stating that the whole thing is already ruined. I am saying why are they IN THE PROCESS of ruining it? There is a difference there. I realize that not all the epps have aired. Again, I think I made that clear in my ending when I said "I still have hope that the season will turn around."

Thirdly, I have not only seen two epps from this season - i have seen three. I saw Everybody's Entitled to My Opinion, Camp, and Bye Bye Greasy. IMO, Everybody's Entitled to My Opinion has been the best so far, but still not up to par compared to their earlier work.

And lastly, why do you jump on someone because they have a differing opinion? What is this, the Home Movies Praise Only Forum? Are you that narrow minded that you can't handle a differing opinion?

Despite how you feel about it, I will continue to post my honest opinion here as often as I like. If you don't agree with it, that's fine, but don't tell me what to say and what not to say. Because it won't work.
I didnt just blindly criticize the show, I have specific examples of every criticism I had. So stuff it.

jfurdell

01-19-2004, 12:09 PM

~square~

01-19-2004, 12:12 PM

Calm down and breathe. We've only seen the first two episodes. How does that mean we know the quality of the entire season? Each one has had it's bad points. Don't say it's ruined until you've seen all of Season 4.Well, actually, more like the1st, 9th and 10th episodes on the 4th season.

I was talking to the Landstander, and he reminded me that the episodes are going in crazy order, so the swearing and writing is probably the same for the whole season thus far.

So, really it's not THAT big of deal.

And what's with all you prudes complaining about the swearing? For ****'s sake. Do four or five "bleeps" really detract from the show that much? Of course not.

Actually, to hardcore Home Movies fans, it does.

StrangerAtaru

01-19-2004, 12:17 PM

I couldn't stop laughing during the play. Melissa's "sing-talking", the unresponsive actress, Jason flubbing his lines and needing lots of help from Brendon, Coach driving onto the stage early, the play ending with five scenes to go... all gold. Poor Brendon.

And what's with all you prudes complaining about the swearing? For ****'s sake. Do four or five "bleeps" really detract from the show that much? Of course not.I'm not prudish...it just feels out of character for elementary school students outside of South Park to be cursing like this. Especially since they hadn't been rampantly doing this until "Coffins and Cradles". My only complaint is that it feels everywhere that everyone thinks "cursing = adult". HM wasn't like this until recently and its just getting on my nerves to think that they had a higher view of themselves until this recent stuff.

The Landstander

01-19-2004, 01:29 PM

The swearing is pretty annoying. I know it's improvised, but the swearing just feels....forced. It just doesn't fit with what the show has been all this time. I don't have a problem with swearing itself so much as how it's being used. But, at the same time, it's not to the point where it's killing the show for me. Last night's episode was great, I thought (favorite of the season so far, including the stealth); though the swearing annoyed me, the rest was good stuff.

So that's where I stand on the swearing thing; I'm against it, but it's not a huge issue for me. =|

Jaguar

01-19-2004, 02:56 PM

A great episode. So far, I am loving season 4. It seems to be the only thing that can put me in a really good mood as of late. It was great to see Shannon again, and Fenton even made me laugh more than usual. Melissa was a little annoying in this episode, with the whole "stick-me-with-the-epipen" thing, but it didn't phase me too much. As usual, the music was great. (I had "I'll Race" and "Alone in a Leather" stuck in my head for the next three hours.)
As for the whole swearing thing, it doesn't really bug me all that much (probably because I'm so used to hearing it all the time on South Park), but I can understand how it can bug someone.
Anyway, this was a great episode, and this is really shaping up to be a legendary season.

Spastic Minnow

01-19-2004, 04:22 PM

No sir, didn't like it. Parts of it were funny but mostly it was full of cliches about play disasters. As soon as Brendon said he was directiong the play I knew the entire basic plot, nothing much surprising (well maybe the swearing, which was fine by me)

Animaniac

01-19-2004, 05:20 PM

Ummm, this wasnt as much of a Grease parody as it is a "Bye Bye Birdy" episode.

Jason was the boyfriend of the lead, who gets upset when Shannon comes to town and gets all the girls falling over him. Yeah, for those who are saying Grease, your not exactly shooting on target.

The cussing was halarious, if it offends you stop being a baby, they bleeped it out! I love Shannon and the little lisp he has in his (or her?) voice. Or when he argued with the principle LOL

A+

Delthayre

01-19-2004, 05:31 PM

I don't think there's really any fruit in trying to determine which musical it draws more from since drawing analogies to either would require rather acrobatic stretches of interpertation.

The complaints aginst swearing, so far as I see it, are not taking offense at the implied use of the words so much as them seeming out of style for the series. The word, "****," just seemed out of place in Junior Addleberg's mouth. Coupled with a percieved, and I think the perception is exagerrated, trend toward more bleeped words in Home Movies there is a feeling that they're not really supposed to be there and are tacked on for no decent reason, which bothers viewers. Home Movies is a series with a very distinct style, of which swearing typically is not a part. So in short, being babies has nothing to do with it.

Nin-Nin69

01-19-2004, 06:39 PM

So did anyone catch the quote from McGuirk when he told off Brendon as he was trying to explain to him the play?

shogunthethird

01-19-2004, 06:39 PM

I'm more of a casual HM fan so let me just say this, swearing coming from Junior is wierd, swearing from Brendon, Melissa and Jason is wierd, about the only character I could see routinely swearing is Coach McGurk and while I can't stand Shannon or Fenton I did enjoy seeing Shannon beat Fenton, now if only Shannon would get mercilessly beaten...mostly because I enjoy seeing characters I don't like ending up in pain

Delthayre

01-19-2004, 07:47 PM

I was impressed by Emo Phillips. I didn't think he would be able to do the song and actually sound like he was singing. It wasn't a Tony winning performance by any means, but it was certainly a far better performance than I expected him to turn in.

Jazz Samurai

01-19-2004, 08:15 PM

So ignoring the childish arguing going on...

I NEED the lyrics to "if you were a car instead of a boy" for my AIM profile. Someone has to have taped this, please help me out!!!

sl4

01-19-2004, 08:21 PM

So ignoring the childish arguing going on...

I NEED the lyrics to "if you were a car instead of a boy" for my AIM profile. Someone has to have taped this, please help me out!!!
If you were a car instead of a boy....
You'd have headlights instead of eyes

If you were a car instead of a boy....
You'd have tires instead of feet

If you were a car instead of a boy....
*curtain drops* OW! WHAT THE ****?!

Jazz Samurai

01-19-2004, 08:33 PM

Awesome, thanks.

delirium42

01-19-2004, 08:35 PM

Out of the three Season 4 eps I've seen, this was my least favorite - not to say there werent plenty parts I didn't enjoy (doubt I've seen a HM episode in which I didn't love SOMEthing) but it left me feeling kinda 'eh'.

I never *ever* thought I'd be one to say that cussing can be excessive but... I have to say, the bleeping detracted from this ep in one instance. When Junior used it -- it was out of character, the bleeping was *distracting* from the actual joke, and it made the joke less funny than if he had just been screaming that Melissa sticked him, and fell down convulsing. But then it was used well when Perry bleeped out when the curtain fell down on him.
THAT'S when cussing can be bad, when the bleeps DISTRACT you from a joke, or detract from it. The bleep can be used as a tool, or just be annoying. Yknow? I just hope it doesn't become annoying.

My high points: the starting Coach/Brendon conversation, the convo btwn Brendon and Melissa reguarding her "sing-talking" (I just loved the way Brendon was so quick and smooth about it, basically saying Melissa can't sing withOUT saying it...ahh, I notice and enjoy the weird things), Fenton and his Light God complex, and then most of the musical was hilarious - Paula still on stage painting, Melissa's talk-singing: "So I'll just eat some pie...eat some pie...eat some Oh my god I just ate Kiwi!", the whole Coach-on-stage scene, and the "ending" with five scenes left.

Stuff I didn't so like: there was too much with Melissa's kiwi-obsession. I know her character can become sort of obsessive with things (water..and elk) but it's better if its presented more humorously...I don't know. I just didn't like the Epipen gag so much. I did NOT like the thing w/ Junior. And I'm not a Shannon fan, so having him be almost the main plot character lessened the appeal for me.

:brendon: :brendon: :brendon: 3 out of 5 Brendons.

Camp's my favorite so far. Though I'm hoping the next few shows will slow down a bit with the gimmicky plots. My main joy of the show was, honestly, the Talking Head aspect, just Jason, Brendon and Melissa sitting in a sandbox waxing philosophically on things 8 yr olds should not. :)
And I too miss Eric.

Pimmelmann

01-19-2004, 08:54 PM

Regarding the cursing business: if many fans perceive an overreliance, that goes a long way towards making it an official overreliance. If this wasn't needed in the first season, it probably isn't needed this season; as a creative decision, it detracts from the unique feeling of the show, and I do hope there's a bit less.

Melissa Bardin Galsky has an adorable voice. I wonder what she looks like. (Anyone know?) However, "Bye Bye Greasy" reminds me that her character only works in certain situations, and when shoehorned in, can quickly become sorta irritating. :melissa:

Spastic Minnow

01-19-2004, 09:07 PM

Out Stuff I didn't so like: there was too much with Melissa's kiwi-obsession. I know her character can become sort of obsessive with things (water..and elk) but it's better if its presented more humorously...I don't know. I just didn't like the Epipen gag so much.
Actually that was a part I really liked. The gag wasn't that she was obsessed about it as much as it was that no one seemed to care at all that she just discovered something that could easily kill her. I have no allergies but if I found out about something like that it would scare the hell out of me and I would expect some sympathy, it's also why she was so ready to attach herself to Junior, the only person to show her even a tiny amount of compassion.

MovieGuy

01-19-2004, 09:18 PM

I loved this episode! Shannon coming back was great. I did not like Melissa & Junior love line thing. A+ though

Nin-Nin69

01-19-2004, 09:20 PM

Nobody knows? I'm gonna cry now. :sad:

Stewie

01-20-2004, 12:28 AM

For the most part this was pretty good. What wasn't "pretty good", was very good. I loved was Jason. He had some of his best moments when he wasn't even saying anything. I loved all the distractions in the background while Jason was trying to have his scene ("Murderer!") . That, and trying to get Allison to say something. Very funny stuff.
This is the first time the swearing has bugged me. Up until now, I never felt it was a distraction. As Landstander said, this time it definitely felt forced. Swearing is like a spice. You just want a little but now and then. Otherwise, it takes away from the dish it is added to.

Everyone else seemed to have a problem with Jr. I don't remember him being that bad. In fact, when he swore, that was the only case where I didn't think it was too much.
He was good, if not for himself, than for Melissa's reaction to him. One minute she's trying to distance herself from him because of his crush, then she sees him as her would-be hero. Funny.

Nobody knows? I'm gonna cry now. :sad:I'll tell you, eventually. I'm planning on rewatching it in the next few days. If no one else posts it, I will.

JohnDMoore

01-20-2004, 02:43 AM

Great episode. Season's off to a good start. Lots of good moments: Lynch's 23 strike policy, ALL the songs, Jason out on the stage all by himself, the winter/summer background, and the whole Melissa/kiwi thing, I thought, was brilliant. Best was Jason's reaction to the pie. "Who makes kiwi pie? I've never even heard of it."
"Home Movies" is really one of my favorite shows of all time. The character interaction is amazing. Getting a large pool of characters like this and just letting them go at it is so fun. It's a joy.

Nobody knows? I'm gonna cry now. :sad:
I think this is what you're looking for.

Let's go back and figure out what just happened. I said no and then I said no and you kept going and I said no. Alright, so now we're done. Have fun with your school play. Good-bye.

(later) ...We are not having a conversation anymore.